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♪ [applause] >> andow, "bbc world news." rajini: this is "bbc world news america." reporting from washington, i am rajini vaidyanathan. president trump says a deal has been done to end the government shutdown. reopening government for three weeks. but can he find agreement with democrats beyond then? a close ally of the president arrested in a predawn raid. roger stone is charged withts seven con the russia probe. he says he is innocent. , ger: i will plead not guilty to these chargeswill defeat them in court. rajini: and he spent 544 days in an iranian prison. we hear from journalist jason
rezaian on his harrowing ordeal. rajini: welcome to our viewers on public tevision in america and around the globe. after 35 days of a partial shutdown, president trump has put forward a new deal to reopeh u.s. government. but it is only for three weeks, and the proposal does not include funding for a wall onso thhern border. the president threatened to declare a national emergency ift the demoand him cannot agree on border security. as if that was not enough dramal this morninggtime ally of president trump was arrested in a predawn raid. political strategist roger stone has been charged in connection with the investigation into russian meddling in the 2016 election. he says he is innocent. our north america editor jon eventful day in u.s. politics. jon: friday morning, and the
extraordinary sight of the main domestic airport in new york at a virtual standstill. the government shutdown meaning there were not enough air traffic controllers to keep planes flying safely. day 35 of the longest shutdown in history, and 800,000 workers were missing another payday. but today, however he sought to portray it otherwise, the president ved. pres. trump: i'm very proud to announce today that we have reached a deal to end the a shutdo reopen the federal government. jon: the shutdown was triggered when the president said unless there was $5 billion for his d rder wall, he would keep the government closedefinitely. then he said he wanted a down payment. but now the federal government will reopen without a cent having been pledged. as millions were affected and food lines grew, the pressure piled upn the president. polls showed he was overwhelmily being blamed for the shutdown. rep. pelosi: disagreement on policy should never be a reason
to shut down the gernment, reallyhodn't, especially for a period of time that has an impact on the paychecks. i'm sad it has taken thilong. i'm glad we have come to thenc sion today as to how we go forward. jon: this has been a rough few days for the president. he got himself into an arm wrestle with the speaker of theo house, 78-ye nancy pelosi, and lost. his demands for border wall funding have not been met. this morning one of his longtime associates and close confidants was arrested as part of the mueller investigation. roger stone, provocateur, flamboyant, lifelong republican operative,pecialist in dirty tricks, one-time aide to richard nixon. as of 4:00 this morning, when the fbi moved in, the last person to be arrested in the mueller investigation into collusion between the trump campaign and russia.
after stone's court appearance,g he e the very picture of defiance, almost emulating richard nixon. roger: i will plead not guilty to these charges. i will defeat them in court. i believe this mo a politically vated investigation. i am troubled by the political motivations of the prosecutors. jon:is indictment containing details ofexts he sent that read as though they were taken from "the godfather" or "the sopranos." to one he wrote, "you are a rat, a stoolie. you backstab your friends. i am so ready. let's get it on. prepare to die. [expletive]" the indictment alleges he was the conduit between wikileaks and the release of emails from the democratic national committee deeply damaging to hillary clinitn.
today the house was saying, so what? sarah: this has nothing to do with the president, nothing to do with the white house.ho jon: buth the president protests that the mueller investigion is a hoax and witch hunt, more and more key figures have been snared over the contacts with russia and the lies they told to cover their tracks. jon sopel, bbc news, washington. rajiniwe will hear more about roger stone's arrest in a minute, but first let's get the latest about the temporary end to the government shutdown. i spoke a while ago with our political analyst ron christie. 35 days. what do you think changed the game? ron: two game changers, rajini. good evening to you. number one was the secretary of commerce, a billionaire, making the flip comment about people who are out of work can borrow money and find other ways to survive. i a think it caoss as being very insensitive. number two, we saw six republican senators joined theat demolast night in an attempt to reopen the government. i think the president felt the pressure was coming on him.
yhese senators were from j electoral states. he thought he would find a solution with the democrats to get more wiggle room. rajini: you say for now becauseo this solution y a three-week one so we could be in the same situation in february. ron: correct, although i don't e president, having gone through the five days of having the government shutdown, i don't think he wants to deal with that again. i do believe an opportunity exists for the pessident if he ot get his wall money, what he insisted upon for the last month or so, he might occur er declare a national emergency on the southern boith mexico and then have the united states army begin constructing his wall. no more government shutdowns in the short-term, but in the longer term the president might get his wall through a politically unpopular move. rajini: and yet the democrats still say they don't want to fund a border wall.he ron:do, and we have seen that chuck schumer and nancy pelosi,he minority leader and
the speaker of the house, got what they wanted. no money for the wall. the democrats stood firm, they stood united, and they look like ey moved the president t their will. they don't have any incentive to give the president money for his wall because he showed he was willing to back down. rajini: the president likes to see himself as someone who can do a deal. what can we expect to see in the next few weeks? ron: i believe the vice president, the president, and the congressiol leadership are going to be working very closely, looking at homeland security issues. democrats will get some of what they want, electronic surveillance and other mechanisms to provide security at the border. but ultimately, rajini, it is question of does the president get a physical barrier thru the united states congress. at this juncture i don'det belie thcrats will give him any additional funding, so look for unilateral action by the president i believe on february 15 or shtly thereafter. rajini: when the president spoke
today about the wall, his language seemed to soften somewhat, saying it would not be necessarily concrete wall, medieval wall. do you think the definition is slowly changing? o n: the term "wall" seems an evoluti in process. first it was going to be a concrete wall, then a barrier, then something we could see through. at thisuncture as long as it is a physical structure that looks like what we would normally call a wall, he would declare victory. i just don't believe the democrats have the political incentive or the pressure at this juncture to give ate president e wants. rajini: very briefly, who do you think has come out of this better, democrats or the president? ron: sadly as a republican, i believe the democrats have, but ultimately who has come out the mpbest, the furloughedyees who now get paid and go back to work. those are the true winners. rajini: ron christie, always a pleasure to speak to you. ron: grad to see you. today's to
indictment of roger stone. to help explain it all, i am was joined by a former federal prosecutor for the department of justice. we saw a very defiant roger stone ill defending president trump. how significant are these arrests -- this arrest? >> despite the white house and roger stone himsf and the defense team putting a brave face on this, this is significant. we have watched for nearly two years as the special counsel investigation has made move after move after move. roger stone has remained relatively untouched until today. he seemed to occupy a critical position because he seemed like he would be the individual whoth would know ie was a connection between the trump campaign and wikileaks, which of crse was the organization that released hillary clinton's emails. after many, many months of biet, now we know, and despite the fact that it hn long awaited, it was still dramatic, with this predawn raid on roger stone's florida home, and seeing him in court a bit disheveled but ill defiant, we know the ramifications of what he has
done. rajini: you have got the paper, the indictment, pages i thin what was the most striking thing you pulled out of that? harged ayou could have case against roger stone in a lot fewer pages than this. if this were simply the case of a dirty political trickster who tolied about iongress. beyond that is a lot of additional facts that were not necessary to just bring the cas agaiger stone. most significantly, what jumpeda out at mthe fact that it lays out in detail numerous coordinations and between mr. stone and the trump campaign. it wasn't just one, it wasn't just two. there were multiples in terms of understaing what wikileaks had, trying to figure out selectively what kind of emails they may have collected, understanding when they ma tbe released f best strategic value to the campaign. it now answers the question of was there some sort of
coordination at least tween the campaign and wikileaks. the answer seems to be yes. in addition, roger stone was not just acting as a lone agent. he was coordinating with the campaign and benefiting them. rajini:ow much of a concern should this be to president trump? jose: sarah sanders put on a very brave face in saying that this never mentions president trump and the white house. literally that is true -- president trump is notoned here, nor is the white house. but it connects the trump campaign quite significantly to roger stone and it mentions senior members of the trump campaign. guess what, the trump campaign was not that large of organization when you think of who the senior directors of the trump campaign were, that narrows down to a few individuals in the close orbit of the president. rajini: briefly, what does ts reveal about where you think thl r investigation is going? joseph: two possibilities. one possibility is that it is a narrow indictment that starts and ends with roger stone. was a trickster, he
negotiated and facilitated the release of these stolen emails, and that he lied about it and is facing the consequences. i don't think it ends there, though, because there were so many more facts in here that were not necessary tg this case of roger stone. believe it is laying the foundation for further steps to come. i thinit will be fleshing out who were those individuals at the trump campaign, what was the extent of the coordination, and who knew abo it. these are basic answers that the mueller probe has be after since the beginning and the american people have been waiting patiently to find out. rajini: thanks for coming in. i,seph: thanks, rajin good to be here. rajini: let's look at some of the day's other news. the leader of sudan's largest opposition party have joined the calls for omar al-bashir t.step do hundreds of protesters took to the streets following the arrest. police fired tear gas to try tdisperse the activists. as many as 50 people have been killed since the unrest began. emergency services in brazil say
200 people are missing after a dam collapsed. it is reported that several people were killed. willdent jair bolsonaro visit the affected saturday. you are watching "bbc world news america." still to come on tonight's program, uncovering centuries of history in london.ca the largest tion ever seen in the u.k. presidentnezuela's nicolas maduro says he will send his foreign minister to the u.n. on saturday to attend secret key -- security council meeting on the growing political crisis. u.s. secretary of state mike
pompeo urged members t recognize opposition leader juan guaido as the country's interim president. here is aleem maqbool. aleem: crisis in venezuela is henothing new, but t is no question it has escalated atically and potentially dangerously in recent days. it is driving people across this border into colombia in large numbers. this man fled caracas with almost nothing and he is trying to help sell goods in the market pp make enough to survive. "this has never ed before in venezuela," he says. "the president is bringing down the country. things have never been so bad." everybody here -- police, aid agencies, local people are telling us that there is a massive surge of people coming across the border fleeing from venezuela into colombia. here is those with immigration papers, but the numbers suggest that many more are crossing illegally at other parts of the border, so anxious are they about the situation back home. many of them have poured into this shelter close by offering free food.
now with an opposition having declared himself the country's leader, there are fears about how presidendu nicolas will react. this woman hopes maduro will fall so she can return home, but does not believe it will happen. she also says she does not trust eoerica's motives. >> for a while nowe have been saying the american president hoping to this crisis so he could intervene. inhe end, we don't know the truth of the situation. we just know we are hungry and fearful. alm: refugee families here feel they are just caught in a big litical game over which they have no control. 2014, "the washington post's" tehran bureau chief was arrested in iran on charges of spying for the u.s. jason rezaian was held in prison
for 544 days, including time in solitary confinement. it was released in a prisoner ap, and now he is suing the iranian government. he is out with a new memoir, "prisoner." earlier, jason rezaian joined me in the studio. let's start with the circumstances surrounding your arrest in 2014. jaso i was going about my life in iran, working as a journalist and coring everything one does in a country, including the nuclear negotiations between iran and world powers. my wife and i were on the verge of coming back here to the united states foa little r&r to recharge before whawas to be a very long slog of worki this particular story. very suddenly we werepr ended in our home as we were getting ready to leave our apartment to go to a party and taken off to the most notorious
prison in that part of the worlb and one that hn the long-term home of political prisoners, foreign nationals, and journalists like myself. rajini: you write in very vivid detail about how you were held in solitary confinement. just explain to our viewers what it is like. jason: the first seven weeks that ias in prison i was in solitary, and i hope that that is not something that anybody ever has to experience. what i try to do in the book is give readers a groups of what nce ofy-to-day exper being in solitary is like. it is designed to really disassociate you from realit and make you go insane, and it works. the cell that i was in was about a meter and a half by 2.5 meters wide. l it w 24 hours a day. my only access to anything outside of the cell were my interrogation sessions. this was the ping-pong of my life for seven weeks of going to
interrogations where i was accused of very absurd and enridiculous charges, and back to solitary to contemplate whatas next. it was -- it is horrifying it is not something that anybody should have to endure. rajini: let's talk about the absurd andidiculous charges. they include interrogators going through some of your websites, and also a story about avocados. jason: i didn't realize people would find this so interesting, but i did at the time. on the first night i was told that a kickstarter project one ll-known crowdfunding website i had tried to implement in 2010 and failed to achieve the funding for, an avocado farm that i thought we could bring to s an, became the core charge against me, that ts somehow a code word for a secret project that i had with the cia and the american government to topple the iranian regime.
obviously, that did not hold lot of water. that is part of why i am talking about it now. oftentimes when we hear about dual nationals or foreign nationals being held in iranian pron -- the iranian brit being held right now is being held on similar types of charges. while the charges thselves are very serious, the circumstances behind the charges are farcical and should be considered as such.ra ni: you talk about mrs. ratcliff. y how think the u.s. government handled your release? then we will talk about how the other governments should handle t jason: well, i wking to a colleague of mine, executive director of the committee to protect journalists, who has written a book about hostage release and ransom and the ways that different governments deal withhese situations.
iran mak it complicated cause it is a state that is doing these hostage takings by -- but wrapping them in a judicial proceeding. it is a judicialosgetaking is what we like to call it. the u.s. government, because it was dealing with iran in these negotiations, had an opportunity to work to bring me home, and ma ly and my employer, "the washington post," did not have their hands tied in the same way a private citizen would if their relative or loved was taken by a terrorist organization or pirates. w every countrther it is the u.k., e united states, canada, western european countries, australia, japan, the likely targets of these hostagetakings, has a different policy of what they are willing to do. some have a very stark no-concessions policy, others say we will pay for the release of hostages. i don't think there is one right answer. but i do think that as free
s, theies and democrac value of citizens' lives and freedom is one of the moes important vae have, that we share as free societies, and i think everything should be done to free people who are held hostages, the imperative ofve these ments. rajini: very briefly, a lot has changed since you were held captive. u.s.-iran relations are very different. how do you see them now? avson: i think they are in a worse state theybeen than -- at any point in a long time. you can agree or disagree with you the engagement with iran or the policy of the trump administration vs. the oma administration. what i don't like is that i think a lot was learned in the process of those negotiations by the americans who were dealing with iranian counterparts for the first time in 35 years, and the knowledge that was gained in ing takeness is not
advantage of right now. rajini: jason rezaian, this is your booker "pris thanks very much. jason: thank you. jini: now to london, the largest archaeological excavation in the u.k. is currently underway to maa way fow high-speed rail line. during the digging, the grave ob one tain's greatest maritime explorers was found. his final resting place had long been forgotten. reporter: back in the 1780's, london was running out of space. wt had nowhere for the dead. and so it created cemeteries. one of them is here. and now, more than 200 years lar, that land is needed f another purpose. the dead are going to have to find a new final resting place. and this is the reason why. this is where london's high-speed railway station is about to be built. and so a small army of archaeologists have arrived to move thousands of bodies.
how many people are we talng about buried here? >> the record is about 60,000 people interred in the cemeteryt re: of course, some have over the years been removed, but there is still a huge number of people buried here. ending up probably with around 40,000 individuals. ngreporter: you are excava 40,000? >> yes. reporter: and this huge tented si is only the beginning. where i'm standing is going to be one othe platforms. 500 meters along there. that is what gets you about this site, the sheer size oit. 11,000 square meters. but what will happen to all the bodies? the first man to sail around australia is buried he. so is bill richmond, one of
britain's most celebratedxe . >> initially they will be taken for archaeological analysis, laboratories. they will be stored in a morgue. that is with the agreeurnt of the ch. reporter: after that everyonere will be ried in consecrated ground. this isust the beginning. this is the location near the site of a lost churc overall, on the whole line, we will have 1000 archaeologists excavating 60 sites. reporter: that sounds pretty big in archaeology terms. >> it is the bigst archaeological excavation ever in the u.k. and probably europe. er: in this part of london, any development will be building on history, but this one has more ghosts than normala ni: that is it for today's show, and for my time here on "bbc world news america."
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