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robert: the shutdown. a short-term fix. but the political war is only beginning. i'm robert costa. welcome to "washington week." president trump: i'm very proud to announce today that we have reached a deal to end the shutdown and reopen the federal government. obert: president trump backs a bipartisan deal to reopen the government until mid february. it ends the longest shutdown in y. but conservatives are furious because it does not include money for a border wall. and the president warns if he doesn't get that,e could declare a national emergency. plus -- >> open the door. robert: ertrump ally r stone is arrested in a pre-dawn raid. indicted on seven counts by the
special counsel. he vows to fight. >> there is no circumstance whatsoever under which i will bear false witness against the president. robert: we cover it all next. announcer: this is "was."ngton we funding is provided by -- >> i was able to turn thear craft around and -- thera ai around and the mission around and save two men's lives that night. >> m firob helped me to grow up quickly and that will happen when you're asked to respond to a coup. >> in 2001 i signed up for the air force. two days later 9-11 happened. ♪ >> babble. the language program that teaches real life conversations in a new language. such as spanish, french,
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possible. joining me tonight, margaret brennan, moderator of face the nation, and senior foreign aforirsspondent for cbs news. elisabeth bumiller, washington bureau chief for "the new yos.r ti white house correspondent for "the pbsewshour." and jeff zeleny. senior white house correspondent for cnn. lrgaret, you sat down with vice president pent sunday. he was talking about a deal. working with democrats. laid out possible protections for dreamers in exchange for border wall funding. that was a few days ago. what changed friday? >> 14,000 i.r.s. workers apparently didn't show upor work as ordered to do. you had la guardia airport and other airports disrupt because of a lack of required t.s.a. agentsllo act get people on planes safely. so i think some of those reality checkslowed the politics a bit in terms of how to spin this.
andnt instead the presi offered this temporary reprieve. but basically at the end of that rose garden address, today, the president said we can do this all ove againn three weeks with this funding only taking us to february 15. but i was looking bac at wat the vice president said to me on sunday, and he laid out exactly why the president couldn't do wha he just did. saying he knows that speaker pelosi en if they reopen the government and begin negotiating won't give him that border wall. that was the rson he said the president couldn't do it and yet the president did do it. robert: well,t wppened, elisabeth, with president trump? >> well, he was -- he really akwanted to the state of the union address. that was a big disappointment to hiitm. as a -- it's pageantry. it's the kind of -- the presidency that he loves. ale show. an what happened was that mcconnell said to him i just can't hold my -- i can't hold the republicans. there was a lot of phone calls last night. between mcconnell and trump. they continued this morning. trump last night wanted to declare a natial emergency d was talked out of it.
and that's where he went this morning afr talkingo mcconnell. and then with the slowdown at la gardi and the i.r.s. workers not turning up, that -- that was enough. robert: so -- thing is t to add one he is talking about a smart wall. so i think there might be an avenue toward open government in this smart wall which is of course not really a wall but sort of sensors. but thatight be where they go with this. robert: that could be where they go in three weeks.el abeth, you mentioned he was walked back from a national emergency. was that senate republicans just getting uneasy and people like mcconnell and others inside. white house? >> the senate republicans never liked this shutdown and mcconnell had to ce off the sideline and decide that nancy pelosi was not going to budge. and he had to move the president. and the president of course, it was classic trump. he declared victory. and it sure didn't look a lot like a victory but said this is great. but he ended up back where he started. he endad up -- he no headway in this -- > even like worse than when he
started because he was making a case for the wall and actually became sort of s a mockingbol of something he can't let go. but i think the mcconnell calls on thursday night into friday morning, that was key. because thee cracks in senate were becoming very apparent. there was a very explosive lunch that you wrote about inas "thengton post," a senate lunch on thursday but it continued. he was losing republicans. so he had to accept political reality. but when you saw president trump in the rose garden, like he was giving this same old speech. still talking about the wall. but it has become much more difficult now. so three weeks from now, i do ll be another e w government shutdown. he knows -- he can do one thing. re polls. every single poll said this was bad for him. so i would be very surprised if there's another one on his wat'h. robert: t a good point. this agreement does come as the president's approval ratings have dropped. a new "washington post" abc mews poll released friday shows 58% ofcans disapprove of the job he is doing. and 37% app ave. whened who they thought was mainly responsible for the
shutdown, 53% of thoseurveyed blamed the president. and republicans. and also pressure points fromfe 800,00ral workers. who were going without a paycheck. you saw on friday the f.a. temporarily halted flights into new york's la guardia airport. what was anoth t -- werese the key breaking points as well or was it all politically driven in the senate on capitol hill? >> i think it's really import through what the president did as he said that he was not going to ever break for a wall. he held a prime time special. he went to texas and actually went to the border. he also had this -- the ltiple meetings where he had all this misleading information where he said drugs are pouring in. r country is being invaded. nor 35 days he literally made what happened? his approval ratings were dropping. people were blaming him. you had worker -federal workers saying we cannot take this. and you had people saying apart from the federal workers not getting their money, the caber dr who said no one is going -- going anywhere in d.c. ou had restaurants that were extending literally washington -- washington's restaurant week was extended a week. becae people said no os going tout and spending money.
so you had -- the american economy als president trump and saying something needs to give. the white house ffis --ial stance today was that rank and file democrats told president trump and told republicans that they're going to give him money for the wall. aying. what were they who were these democrats who made you this promise? they would not give you one name. th tells me that the president came one this line to tell reporters that. but in reality, it was pressure that you just talked about. robert: we saw in thishowdown over the shutdown, a new dynamic in washington. we have speak pelosi, three weeks into her job after being 's pushed the president to reopen the government and as elisabeth said postpone his state of the union address. she was asked about that today. >> state of the union is not planned now. what i said to the president is government is open, we will discuss a mutually a agreeable dat i look forward to doing that and
tlcoming the president t house of representatives with the state of the union. when we agree on that mutually. robert: she is saying there t speaker, in her words, that she controls the capitol. but she also in part controls this new washington -- was this shutdown as much about speaker pelosi and her asserting herself in this new d.c. as it was about president trump? >> her ability to flex her muscles to the power and to showt she does control, was masterful in terms of the p.r. win. she can claim that. on this. but it's the matter of the battle versus the war here. president trump looks like he lost this battle. e question is does he lose ultimately the war? question of he certainly the polling that we see says this was unpopular and you can look at ratings agencies like s&p that says this shutdown st $1.2 billion per week. that this could have hurt the economy. but dedoes the pre actually come out of this being able to say i was on brand, i fought for this? and pocket a win in some way?
that's another question. but one of the things that i would say is another point perhaps in pelosi's court is because this has been so publicly litigated in many ways that the white house is actually kind talked itself back. we're no longer talking about -- ownhis. no longer concrete wall. sea to shining sea and talking about as vice president pence describedike 200 miles of steel slats and they're scaling back the ask in the public dortin. rothat's such a good point. was this actually about just showing the republicanwease he to the brink, that he did all erked on the wall? >> that of course -- that's what it was about. he can take that to the 2020 campaign and say i did my best. i tried. i was stoppedy, you know, nancy pelosi. i went -- also address nancy pelosi here. i mean, this is the first -- iurp's first experience with divided governmen washington and his first experience as cheryl wrote this eek dealing with a really, really powerful woman. and you talked to any of the trump biographers, and they say this was -- this was very
difficult for the president. because in the past, he's dealt with powerful women. he likes powerful women. but he's always been going around theo their more werful male boss and no male boss, nancy pelosi and a tough one for trump and also understands the legislative process more than he does. >> i think that's sig sficant. yo an experienced leader there and not going to blink. leader schumer was not going to blink. so they outmaneuvered the president and very new -- he thinks he can control washington. he is learning very divided government is like. but he does respect speaker pelosi. we're coming out of this five-week period and he hasn't branded her with a mean nickname. he -- there is something about -- respects -- ihink this relationship, we still don't know how it's going to end. we know that president trump likes to make deals. so i don't think that we should view the rest of this year being sort of out the window because of this. i think that we'll see how this goes. but we've learned a lot about the wall. a lot about what he's willing to compromise on.
i think we have to watch the right-hand flamping and ann corter largely responsible partly responsible for this, she called him weak. and compared hi to herbert walker bush, george herbert walker bush. so we'll see what they say. but i'm intrigued to see what the trump-pelosi dynamic -- i want to pick up on something the white house saying how they want to sort of split rank and fil -- or that seems to be their theory that they can split away rank and file docrats from leadership. but they won't name who it is. that actually they say do agree with them. but as a play, it seems to be -- maybe a bit of projection here. but maybe perhaps truthful ultimately which is that they think they're going t see what democrats the s problem hepublicans had years ago in terms of on left a progressive flank really causing problems for democratic adership. you didn't see that here in terms of nancy pelosi still kept her caucus in line on this. robeos: she a used them as a weapon and alexander ocaso cortez walking with other
freshmen to the senate to demand fromne senator mcc that he hold a vote to reopen the government. how do you see speaker pelhoi handling pressures? >> i think that right now, we've gotten somewhat of preview of that. there was this talk about who is going to -- who is going to chlenge nancy pelosi for the speakership and what we saw was her one by one do away with the people who were trying to say they were going to challenge her. i still remember marsha fudge, representative marsha fudge being almost perp walked into nancy pelosi's office cameras snapping as she came out and i look at nan pelosi's calendar and mouch money she raises and i'm not sure i'm ready for thiob. that was a big change from what she was saying before. also think that it's interesting that president trump called nancy pelosi reasonable. he said the reason why he postponed the state of the union is becse he found nancy's offer to be reasonable. reasonable is not the word that president trump has used with opponents so i think that we g e him not in the public atmosphere say do respect this woman. robert: elisabeth, a big profile of sccatornell in
the upcoming "new york times" magazine speaking about the word reasonabl what happens around valentine's day when the president again maybe starts toying with the idea of declaring a national emergency? where is mcconnell? is mcconnell now the force the republicans -- >> mcconnell has to go to trump and jared kushner and say we d can' this again. and i think -- i think that is what will happen here. i think -- as -- as we were saying, this is not -- this can't happen again. there's actually that he would actually pass legislation now making it illegal forer another gent shutdown to happen. it's not going to happen. and maybe in the next two weeks but i can see that coming. i just don' tnk there's -- there's -- there's no political -- there's n political good that will come out of this for president trump to to this again. robert: let's say there's not another shutdown but an agreement. jared kusaler keptng about a big deal. something that included daca protections like vice president pence was talking about with margaret last sunday. maybe even adjusting gre card policies. is that real, jeff, the idea of an immigration deal in mid
february now that the government is reopened? y >> it is ver hard for me to get my mind around a big immigration deal. we've aln watched w president bush was in office and that's the driving force of threpublican party orthodoxy at the time. was to get a deal. if they couldn't do it then i n't see how suddenly this becomes something that happens now. we don't like to rule anything out. because this president is nothing if not flexible. and again, he does, i think, want to make a deal. heeroves the press ce when he sees himself getting a deal. he hates this press covera -- he's saying that it wasn't a concession. he didn't cave. well, he did cave s watch his reaction in the coming days as he watches this all be picked apart. really said, i can't see a big immigration deal coming out of this. the right flank of the party is just not there. >> i've been in meetings after meetings with the vice president pence and secretary nilsson and floating the idea when the government ieoned we will have a big i gration bill. i put the question to vic
president pence, why should immigrants trust you if the president said that some of these haitians and nigerians are from s-hole countries and asians brought aids to the united states and how can people trust you? well, i would takeessue with ay that you're characterizing the president's statements. but all my immigration source including advocates, they sayis resident just isn't credible on immigration. we don't trust him not to deport lare swaths o people if he gets the opportunity. so i'm with jeff in that. i can't imagine a big immigration package happening any time soon. robert: we will be tracking it all. lets turn to t story that broke before dawn. the arrest and indictment of long-time trump ally roger stone on charges related to the special counsel's investigation. the f.b.i. arrested stone at his florida home. the seven-count indictment includes one count of obstruction. five counts of false statements and one count of witness tampering. according to the indictments, stone lied to congress. and obstructed its investigation. after a brief court appearanc before a federal judge,tone said this. >> i will plead not guilty
these charges. i will defeat them in cou. i believe this is a politically motivatednvestigation. robert: the indictment mentions context stone had wit senio trump campaign officials. about the release of democratic national committee emails during the 2016 election. margaret, when you think about roger stone, the connection here to the trump campaign, how important is it for the mueller investigation and perhaps for president trump, this mention of the tctmp campaign con >> hugely. because it shows that there's -- the connectio that the white house has denied and for a while the president's attorney, public attorney at least, rudy ghoul yan -- guliani can't say no one had contact. the tng that is also interesting is in the indictment when you read through it, the frequent meions of email, texts,
different forms of contact, trying to establish timing and the content of these releases, is so ieresting. because what did we learn back in 2017? that the u.s. intelligence community assessed with high confidence that the source of the wikileaks material so damaging came from russian litary intelligence from the g.r. so you are starting to see that those dots being connected i a certain way. that leads us back to that premise that the president has dismissed out of hand that russia had anything at all to with his campaign. now you do see some connection. robert: you oversee the investigations in d.c. at the d.c. bureau. when you look at this, is this m is it hard for us to see the whole picture fis indictment? >> well, here's what this is -- most interesting to us in that indictment. is on page -- on page 4, item 12. where it says in passive voice, that -- aenior -- a top trump campaign official was directedt
ell roger stone to get in touch with wikileaks to find out what they had. now, there weren't that many people in that -- in that orbit at that point. this is the summer of 2016. so they leave open the possibility or there's this suggestion perhaps that that -- th the top -- the only person who would have directed the topl campaign offics potentially the president. this very do it in strange way. so -- but bear in mind that ju because a top trump campaign official is telling roger stone to reach out to wikileaks and get se stolen emails, that's not conspiracy. it's not clear -- that's not a crime. but what -- what the indictment does establish is, you know, very -- as mark rhett said between the trump cam and the summer of 2016 and wiy leaks. and tre working in parallel ways. >> you're absolutely right. it was directed. i mean, if the -- tai trump ca as we all know was very small. it was run the president at
the time donald j. trump was volved in most of its -- the decisions and run out of his office. so we do not know if he was igrecting him. but the question is all along the way, i remember a campai official saying gosh, they wish roger stone and other hangers on and old friends wouldn't spend so much time on the phone with donald trump. because they didn't necessarily like those conversations. so how it's -- it's hard to imagine that candidate trump then was not talking a lot to you've written about this extensively about how theate qght phone calls and things. so that is thestion here. but you're absolutely right. the passive voice was directed is fascinating. so this is a building block. we don't know exactly what this means. but if you piece allid these indictments together, it leads to something but we're justetot there and it sends a signal to me that we're not necessarily even close to being that bob mueller still has some work to do. >> was directed stuck out to me and there's this part in the t indictment t says after they -- after wikileaks released john podestaso emailone
from the campaign texted well done. for over and over aga, when i watch people get indicted, i'm almost taken back by how muctr they didn' to hide what they were doing. this idea that you're texting well don and you're not encrypting it and not saying something else and stating our friend inhe the embassyn we all know who is living in an embassy. so i think what we're seeing here is not only is there going to be a paper trail and a time line. but that people could also have just been sloppy. bert: that's aood point. when you think about roger stone, who is he? he's this a character with -- the nixon gestures. and the tattoo onk his b of richard nixon. he's been around politics for oedecades. why he matter? who is he? >> it is -- one of the c speaker pelosi said today, i thought, was so understated but interesting -- interesting, who the president surrounds himself with. he's a character. and a very real sense as you described, that the tattoo, the nixon references, and apparently he was 16 years old as the nixon library tweeted out today tolarify that he
wasn't -- having a hand in that presidency in the way that he perhaps has played off publicly to -- you know, as he calls himself ast dirty tri. this goes beyond just typical bad politics or, you know, opposition research. what scwe're bing here. so he is a character almost seems cartoonish. but these are very serious things being ld out in th indictment. and it was so extensive and so detailed in what was laid out in the public. i think we're going to be learning more and more about him. robert:ha he this connection to paul manafort. >> b in the 1980's when ronald raringen was presint black, manafort and stone was the big l consulting,bying firm in town. and they represented a lot of dict ors and foreign countries. they made a lot of money. ut they were the big guys in town. and then -- and obviously split up.
and roger stone has kept on going. and he turns upve in public -- republican administration doing something strange. wufrnt things that did -- one of the things that he did is he likes to play a lot of o practical jok people. and he apparently with one of his friends, putd out the w that he was dead and sent out mass cards to peoplnd he thought this was hilarious. robert: we also had another friend. and he was bringing up to mind soany trump characters we've all reported on over the years. and more news from the trump world this week. miael cohen, the long-time lawyer, subpoenaed by the senate intelligence cmittee, what -- private or public from what we can tell? >> he was supposed to have a tblic testimony before house on february 6 or february 7, i believe. isd said because of safety reasons and not doing that. so he is subpoenaed to the senate. we'll hear from him at some point. i don't think that is supposed to be public. but i'm not certain of that. but it -- the fact -- and paul manafort was in a courtroom today as well. he was dressed in a suit and
wife at his sidend still litigating if he lied during his plea deal. so it was interesting howea r pelosi said this. for all of this, who surrounds donald trump has been fascinating. a lot of them indicted and other things. but this roger stone situation is going to lead to something more. he's doing a lot of interviews. he's talking a lot. and he's in this trouble now because of a his talking. not because necessarily of anything else. robert: talking about what it could lead to, cld it lead to a pardon from president trump? possibly. i think the moment i heard michael cohen's number the first thing i thought was this is someone who is supposed to be so loyal to the president who sounded a lot like roger stone when he first got caught up and then who then flips. so maybe roger stone might have that same fate. robert: got to wrap. thanks, everybody, for being here. our conversation will continue on the washington week podcast. find it on your favorite app. or watch itn our website. i'm robert costa. have a great weekend. and thanks for joining us.
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