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caioning sponsored by newshour productions, llc oo >>uff: good evening. i'm judy woodruff. r the newshour tonight: >> we can no lon restricted by the treaty wle russia shamelessly violates it. >> woodruff: the trump administration suspends one of the last major nuclear arms deals with moscow. then, tang on the middleman. a conversation with secretary of health and human services alex azar on the push to drive down the .ice of prescription dru and, it's friday.ma shields and david brooks are here to talk about the divide over a border wall, the split between the president and his intelligence community, and some of the democrats flocking to run for the white house. plus, gordon parks on display at the national gallery of art.th a look aformative years of a major 20th-century photographer.
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public broadcasting. and by contributions to your pbe station fromrs like you. thank you. >> woodruff: the latest look a the u.s. economy shows a job market going strong. the labor department reported today that employers added a net of 304,000 jobs in january, the most in nearly a year. the jobless rate d rise slightly to 4%, because furloughed federal workers were counted as unemployed. we will break down the jobs numbers later in the program. a brutal, week-long cold blast of weather has finally begun to release its grip on the country, after at least 25 deaths and widespread disruption. frigid conditions eased slightly acrosshe midwest today, though rivers and cities remained frozen over. and, sub-zero temperatures hung
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on in the northeast. by contrast, weekend temperures could climb 80 degrees from this week's lows, and bring a wave of burst water pipes and other damage. president trump said today that t is closerclaring a national emergencye u.s. southern border. the defense and other funds to buila border wall. at the white house, the president colained that democrats are obstructing his efforts, so declaring an emergency is a livoption. >> certainly thinking about it. i, i think there's a good chance we'll have to that. at the same time, regardless, we're building the wall. and we're building a lot of ll. but i can do it a lot faster the siher way. >> woodruff: congral negotiators from both parties are working on a border security agreement, hoping to avoidgo anothernment shutdown in two weeks. but, in a "new york times" interview, mr. tru dismissed that effort as a "waste of time." the president formally announced today the united states will
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withdraw from a cold war-era nuclear arms pact with russia. the "intermediate-range nuclear forces" treaty banned testing and deploying certain missiles. the u.s. alleges that moscow h violated the treaty. we will lay out the details after the news summary. virginia's democratic governor, ralph northam, is facing questions tonight about a yearbook photo showing someone in black-face, and anotherpe on in a ku klux klan robe. the image appears on northam'sn pages 1984 medical school yearbook.wh it is uncleathe two people hae, but the other pictures on the page are of no as of early this evening, the governor's office had no comment.w rsey's u.s. senator cory booker has joined the democratic presidential field for 2020. the two- newark mayor is a longtime advocate for racial justice ands reform. in newark today, he said his goal is to bring together apo
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rized nation. >> i'm going to run a race about not what i'm against or who i'm against, but who i'mnd what i'm for. i'm not looking to simplistically to beat republicans. no, i'm looking to unite americans in this race, because i believe we have more in common ivides us. >> woodruff: the democratic field now has at least eight major candidates. the vatican's women's magazine is speaking out about sexual abuse of nuns by catholic priests. the article appeared today in "women church world." it acknowledges that nuns have had abortions or given birth to children never recognized by their fathers. it says the nuns stayed silent out of fear of retaliation the claims were first reported by other outlets last year. in iran, a ten-day celebrationha begun, marking the 40th anniversary of the islamicti revo. state-tv today showed students waving flags outside the mausoleum of ayatollah ruhollah xiomeini.
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he returned from e on this date in 1979, and sparked mass demonstrations that tod the gornment ten days later. facebookays it has removed 783 fake accounts linked to iran. the social media giant says they were spreadingalse information using stories from iranian state media. it says the accounts were suspended before last year's u.s. mid-term elections. on wall street today, the dow jones industrial average gained 64 points to close at 25,063. the nasdaq fell 17 points, and the s&p 500 ded two. for the week, all three indexes gained wl over 1%. and in china, millions have begun travelinhome to celebrate the lunar new year next tuesday. festivities ushering in the "year of the pig" last from febrry 4th to the 10th. airports, railways and ports are
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adding more planes, trains and ships to keep up with the travel rush. the chinese government expects nearly three billion trips in total still to come on the newshour: what's next, as the u.s. pullsou of a major nuclear arms treaty. s w does manufacturing fit into the broader u.s. jcture. secretary of health and human services alex azar on lowering drug prices. why the n.f.l.'s handling of colin kaepernick looms over this sunday's super bowl. and, much more. >> woodruff: as we reported, the trump administration announced today that it would officially suspend participation in then the intermediate forces treaty, or i.n.f., beginning tomorrow. as nick schifrin reports, that starts a six-month window for
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russia and the u.s. to either make a last-minute deal, or risk long a landmark agreement that helped reduce cold war tensions. >> for the first time in history, the language of arms control was replaced by arms reduction. >> schifrin: it was 1987, an president reagan and soviet leader mikhael gorbechev laid a cornerstone of nucle arms reduction-- a treaty that eliminated an entire class of u.s. and soviet missiles. >> today, on this vital issue, at least, we have seen what can be accomplished when we pull together. >> schifrin: both sides removed thousands of warheads and destroyed ground-launched missiles with a range of 300 to 3,400 miles. but for the last few years, the u.s. says russia has developed t and deploys missile, on display last week in moscow, that violates the treaty. and russia refused u.s. requests to destroy it. aitoday, president trump sas long as russia wasn't abiding by the treaty, neither would the u.s. >> unless we're going to have
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something that we all agree to, we can't be put at the disadvantage of going by a treaty, limiting what we do, when someby else doesn't go by that treaty. >> schifrin: but the russians say this american missilesy defensem in romania could be modified to launch an atfensive missile, and therefore the u.s. is the vi. today, russian deputy foreign minister sergeryabkov called the u.s. suspension a mistake. th ( translated ): wk that the agreement is essential. it is within interests of our security a european security, and it would be irresponsible for one side to shatter it.op >> ehas been the one that benefited the most from this treaty. >> schifrin: today, nato bked the u.s. accusation against russia, but some european officials, like e.u. foreign policy chief federica mogherini, fear the start of a new arms race. from the late '70s through the late '80s, the soviet union and u.s. deployed mobile, nuclear- tipped missiles to europe. the i.n.f. eliminated them, and european officials say they
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don't want to turn back the clock. >> what we definitelt want to see is our continent going back to being a battlefield, or a place where other superpowers confront themselves. this belongs to a faraway history. >> schifrin: senior administration officials say they have no plans to acquire or deploy intermediate range missiles to europe, or anywhere elsego but, the penhas a research and development program into new nassiles ready to go, and official tells pbs newshour, the u.s. has raised the idea of testing a new, non-nuclear ground-launcd cruise missile this year. >> i think that ultimately will cause some unnecessaryion with our best friends in the world-- that is, the alliein nato. >> schifrin: tom countryman was the obama administration's top arms control official. he says toy's u.s. decision is a mistake, because it doesn't solve the problem: the russian missile that violates ree treaty and ens europe. >> it does not address the european security disadvantage
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created by the new russian deployment. and secondly, because it aows russia to get out of this treaty that has served us and european interests well, while blaming the united states. >> sifrin: but russia's not the only country that fields intermediate range missiles. u.s. officials say china and iran each have more than 1,000 missiles that would violate the i.n.f., if they were party to it, raising questions about the future of intermediate missiles, and arms control. the u.s. is currently debating what to do about the "new start" weaty, that limits the number of strategic nuclepons. u.s. officials predict a divide between national securityol advisor johnn, critical of arms control, and pentagon officials, who favording "new start." today, secretay of state mike ympeo said the u.s. was o interested in extending the treaty if... >> ... protects the american people, protects our allies around the wld as well, and s provisions that other
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countries are both capable and willing to comply with, andfy allow us to vehat they have complied with those agreements. absent that, it's justng around a table talking. >> schifrin: in 1987, years of talking allowed the tans of the cold war a little banter over an old reagan line. >> theaxim is... ( reagan speaks russian ). trust but verify. ( laughter ) >> schifrin: today, the u.s. and russia have little trust, and won't let each other verify. and both countries are preparing for a future without the intermediate nuclear forces treaty. for the pbs newshour, i'm nick schifrin. >> woodruff: 2019 got off to a strong start on the pjobs front, wirolls far higher than expected, and a long-lasting recovery that hasde now jobs for 100 months consecutively, through two
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presidents. a it coma moment when there have been questions over president trump's ability tool deliver bluer manufacturing jobs in high d.ofile cases where he has personally interve john yang explores both parts of this sry. >> yang: judy, let's break down the new data with neil irwin, senior economics correspondent for the "new york times;" and danielle paquette, national labor reporter for the "washington post." neil, let me start with you. there has been a lot of talk d concern about the economy going into a recession. what does today's jobs report tell us about the state of the economy. >> look, i think the recession fears we were hearing a lotth about last mre out the window, this is a strong economy and labor market, we've seen th stock market recover in the last few weeks. seems like an economy on relatively stable fngo despite the risk we've seen. 304,000 jobs added in january, still low unemployment, things
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look prey good. >> yang: and, danielle, was there any evidence of problems with the government shutdown. you saw workers as temporarily laid off, the number shot up abo 175,000, as empeople were forced to figure out, what do i do? you can't go to work. you saw peple working part-time jobs out of economic necessity go up. they're becong uber drivers, they're substitute teaching. some were telling me thehtmig even hold on to those jobs in case the government shuts don again. >> yang: people should realize thure are two sveys, the payroll survey and the house jobs survey that does the unemployment rate. is the uptick in unemployment rate in feral furloughed workers? >> yes, people who weren't working reported to the su takers they didn't have a jobs, however the job still existed, so in the srvey of employers, they listed as jobs still existing. but there was an environment
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where thisas a tough time fo federal workers and the furloughed, but it didn't dio ort the numbersrow the expansion and recovery off-track. >>onang: a lot of atteno the manufacturing sector. what did those numbers tell us not about only january but the last several years. >> steady gains, manufacturing employment keeps rising. the total keeps steadily upward. this is a secattor s growing, even as there are all the challenges that are well understood about american manufacturing. >> yang: and, danielle, one of the reason we've got an lot i attention on manufacturing is the president getting involved.u he talked a taiwanese firm's plan to go into wisconsin, build a big manufacturing plant, promised 13,000 jmpbs, president t went to the groundbreaking, said it wouldn't happen pout without dhim. but we h turbulence in the
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plan. what's the latest ? >> fox originally billed that plan as a blue-collar revival, wanted to hire thousands of manufacturing workers, people to make tuch screens at a factory. reen later this week the company said, no, they woing to pivot to a more engineering and research focus which would not promise blue-collar jobs. all of a sudden, it flip-flopped again and i hey, after talking to president trump, we've decided to go back to that original blueprint, and everyone is trying to make sense of tha >> yang: danielle, what does this say about the way the president has personalized these nufacturing job announcements, not only fox con but carrier in indiana, g.m. and other operations? >> that's right, it's a risky move and president trump seems to get involved wih individual firms more than any president in the past. but the carrier teal u mentioned, he showed up at the plant in indianapolis and said i
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have personally saved all these jobs from outsourcing to mexico. then you had a union leader telling us a coupldays later, no, half those jobs would be a loyway. so as facts emerge, it's hard to explain for preside trump why the deals did not go the way he said they'd. >> yang: in the fox con deal, it wase aid there werrket realities when they scaled back and did not do a manufacturing plant. the stories in the last several days about why apple is nt doing more manufacturing in the united states, what does this say about the challenges to the manufacturctor, even though it's growing, as you say, the challenges to really big expansion in u.s. manufacturing? >> look, in asia, there are very complex supply networks that enable the advanced electronics to g made in taiwan, korea, japan, and inld rebg that
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and creating a situation where there are all the right pts at the right time in an american factory is har and maybe, americans are paid more, so making the economics work can be challenging. that said, the fact their planni on keeping this as a research center is a sign of the jobs and what kind of roams the united states is good at which is technological development and more advanced role. >> yang: danielle, you cover labor. why aanre mufacturing jobs more important to labor unions? >> well, that's the best paying job you can get without a college degree. these e jobs that support families across the midwest, and you saw those really loout in the last 20 years or so. but right now, even manufacturing is shifting tard needing more high-tech skills as we see a movement oward auto medication. so even those jobs are calling fodmoreucation. >> yang: danielle paquette of
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"the washieiton post," n irwin of the "new york times,"u thanks to th. >> thank you. >> woodruff: stay withons. coming up he newshour: mark shields and david brooks on the week's news. and, a look at the early work of famed photographer gordon parks. but first, let's turn now to a different but crucial pocketbook issue: the cost ofrescription drugs. the trump administration has taken a number of steps to tackle the issue. the latest: a big move that essentially bans drug-makers from giving money in the form of rebates to middlemen known a pharmacy benefit managers and insurers. the rebates, which add up to tens of billions every year, are widely seen as improving the chance that a drug will be used and covered. the new proposal would
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essentially make those rebates into illegal kickbacks. it applies to medicare and medicaid managed care plans, but the administration would like congress to change the law so that it applies to private insurance, too. alex azar is the secretary ofhe th and human services, and he joins me now. mr. secretary, welcome to the "newshour". >> great to be here, judy. thanks for having me. >> woodruff: so tell us in brief why you bewiieve this step bring down the price of prescription drugs. >> you bet. what a lot of your viewers maynd not underss, when they walk into the pharmacy and they get $300 drug, they're going to pay that $300 or often percent of tht $300,ut, behind the scenes, a payment is going, often, from thrug company to the pharmacy benefit manager or middle man, might be 60, 80, $100, they don't know, it's concealed, but they're not gettinbethnefit of that when they walk into the pharmacy, and what we're prosing is to make that payment have to be given as a discount to the patient when they're in the pharmacy because, right now, the system actually
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incentivizes higher list prices. the pharmacefit manager gets more money if the price is higher. >> woodruff: because there's so much secrecy about it. >> yes, and the rebates are a percent of the list price. >> woodruff: already some of she pushback is that thi inevitably is going to lead to higher insurance premiums. in facot, h.h.s.,ur department acknowledges that. and what people are pointing out is that, yes, the benefit may well go to people who ve hih drug costs to pay, but for people who don't have a lot of prescription drugs, people who already benefit frm generics, they're not going to see this kind of benefit. they're not going realiz these lower prices. >> woodruff: so right now, in our part d. medicare program by is the senior citizen retail drug program, there are $29 billion a year of rebateids y drug companies to these pharmacy benefit managers. we would now direct those for the benefit of the senior when
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they walk into the pharmacy. so they're going to get the vas majority of seniors are going to do better out of pocket by saving money. they buy a $ t300 druey get a $100 discount. more seniors will benefit out o pocket more te modest 3 to 5% modest change. >> woodruff: democrats are arguing this is a plan that doesn't go far enough because it still lets drug compants se and raise the prices, meaning as high as they want them to be cause you still have this lack of transparency. and they say esstily what you just described. there's this wall between what the pharmaceutical companiesh know andt consumers know. >> this proposal brings transparency for the first timen to thisire system because now those secret kickbacks that
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have been given byrug companies to pharmacy benefit managers will be trnsparent because they're give on the patient when they walk into the pharmacy, and wat's going to happen is you have certain classes of drugs where you have very, very high rebates,so times 50, 60, 70% rebate on drugs and, yet, list pricekeep going up. why? ngcause the drug company wants to keep beble to funnel whre money to these middle men. with this changere the benefit gets th -- where the patient gets the benefit of the discount in the pharmacy, we take away the last excuse te drug companies have to support these high list prices. they will bring their drug prices down closer tothe discounted price. we'll actually for the first time ever have mpetition based on price for drugs if you >> woodruff: but drug companies will still be able to do what they want and set prices as they wish. >> but there is transparency, the price and the discount would be known and available.
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so this is the single biggest step in history eveito brng drug prices down for people. >> woodruff: beyond that, mr. secretary, there's a more fundamental qution thas being asked out there, this is something president trump talked about on the campaail when he ran for president, and that is why not press the pharmaceutical industry, why not change the law so that the government can negotiate directly be pharmaceutical companies through medicare? in other words, e medicare as a way to get these drug companies to bring trulygn icant lower drug prices? >> we actually do use medicarei to bringnificantly lower prices. so in this retail -- >> woodruff: but part of medicare. >> well, actually, we're bringing competition and negotiation ere it hasn't isted before. so, right now, in this retail drug program, we have these massive farm pharmacy benefit managers that control tens of thousands of lives, ey have the best discounts on earth. we're bringing to our medicarert
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program which is it fee for service program where if you get infusion from ur doctor, we basically paid close to stick price plus a mkup for the last decade. we're for the first time actually bringing negotiadion ounting to that. >> woodruff: but why not do it for all of medicare? >> that's what we're doing is brig competitive market discounting to all parts of medicare. no need to bring it were it already exists. >> woodruff: so you're saying you don't need to change the law? >> we don't need to because we have negiation. peter opeter orzagade it clear t you wouldn't get in the medicare part d. drug program better scounts than we currently get unless you set a single natstiol ctive formulary. that means the secretary picks e drug in america an you don't get the other drug. if you don't like it, go to so far, i haven't had heard s lot pport for restriction on access for seniors especially
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when we can get the discounts we want. and that doesn't solve the problem of out of pocket or list pric that would reinforce the current messed up system we have. we where were pulling the discount forms to the patient in the policy canges all that. >> woodruff: the policy wi regard to immigrant families coming across the border in the united states.ge the inspectoeral at h.h.s. at your department said last week, turns out there may be many, many more of these children separated from their parents who came across the border since mid 2017 than previously acknowledged. but what i want to ask you about is there have been a number of reports and cases of migrant children being abused while in government-run shelters, government-runie facil how much do you know about this and what's being done about it? >> yeah, so we take the care of these children that come into our custody very seriously. is a sacred obligation that e, have to provide a saf
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secure, loving environment for these children when they're placed. all the kids that we have basically come across the border alone. they we sent here by their families, their parents, crossed here illegal and alone. many of them abused. a large number of these girls are sexually abused on the way here, it is a dangerous journey. they come across, they're taken into custodythen given to us to care for where we, as expeditiously astoossible, try lace them with other family members or sponsors here in the unooed states. >>uff: but i'm asking about those children that -- >> when we receive any allegation of anyype of abuse, neglect or any impropriety in any of ou facilities, we take it with the gravest seriousness. we go in, investigate, work with >> woodruff: how widespread do you think this is. >> very rare. these grantees are social rvice child welfare providers -- >> woodruff: so you're confident you're getng to the bottom of exactly whowch hoff
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this is going on? >> when we get reportse take it deadly seriously and will refer it to state and locecal prors if need be. we will actually kick providers out of our program. we will stop admissions. >> wodruff: have you done that? >> yes, we have. and usually, we're acting on these before the media has even learned about them. often, the reports that you're hearing we have already dealt with and they're trailing reports. we can only act ont we learn about. when we get an allegation, we take this with the grave estof seriousness. we want these children to be in a safe, lovg, secure environment while they're in our care. secretary of alth and human services alex azar, thank you. >> thank you, judy. >> woodruff: when the new edgland patriots first eme as a super bowl winner in this era, i that they were a dynasty on the
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rise. that was nearl20 years ago, and the patriots were actually the underdog against what was the then-st. louis rams. this sunday, the patriots are going for a sixth championship, and the rams, who have since d moved to los angeles, wove to even the score. but, as amna nawaz tells us, the league has still not fully come to terms with the fallout of the colin kaepernick story and his protests against police brutality and racial inequality. >> nawaz: there's no doubt it s a big year for the n.f.l. ratings were up this season. teams scored more, as offenses kicked into anotr gear. but the reaction to kaepernick and how the league has responded keeps coming up. n.f.l. commissioner roger goodell had to address it, and many musiciansincluding, reportedly, rihanna, turned down a chance to perform at the halftime show, a premier event seen by tens of millions. the band maroon five was one of the bands who did agree perform sunday, and now they're facing a backlash of their own. michael fletcher of espn's
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"the undefeated" has beenwr ing about all this, and joins me now. michael, welcomeshack to the "nr". you've written about this in your latest piece. there's two quarterbacks on the field sunday, a third everyone ds been talking about that is colin kaepernick. the man rarely speaks publicl he rarely gives interviews if ever, whare we sl talking about him today? >> it's so interesting you poind it out it's ben two years since kaepernick paid but yet he still underlies a lot of conversation and angst that surrounds the n.f.l. they have broken ratings this year, games exciting, the money continues to fsow but there a troubling racial dynamich underlying league and kaepernick represents that, the fact he hasn't been sigd e protest he ignited by kneeling during the national anthem kind of revealed this racial split among n.f.l. fans and that's something that the league isyi to hold together and so
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fasoood, but clearly there's a tremor happening. >> nawaz: clearly that racial divide exists. the majority players are african-american, the majority of owners are white. c a lot nversations around that.ed kaepernick f complaint with the n.f.l. saying owners colluded to keep him unsigd d t of the game. earlier this week, goodell was asked about kaepernick in what was supposed to be a peres conference about the super bowl but here's what he add to say when asked about why kaepernicke hasn't been s. >> our clubs are the ones that make decisions on players the want to have on their roster. they make that individually, they make that in the bt interest of their team, and that's something that we as the n.f.l. takpride in. if a team decides that colinep nick or any other player can help their team win, that's what they'll do. >> naw: so, micel, what do
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you make of the response from goodell and do you think we'll ever s kap back on an n.f.l. team? >> roger goodell has been saying that last two years and that's been his stock reponse. the league doesn't go further in talking about why kaepernick is not on a team. we did a poll recentlthat looked at this racial divide. black fans back kaepernick, white fans don kaepernick. you know, and you sort of have that sort of right down the line. you talk about people turning away from the game, more whe fans are actually turning away from the game because to have the whole kaepernick protest movement than black fans, even though both sides are kind of put off.st soyou can undd how team owners are kind of in a bind in a sense. they're probably ma business decision saying we don't want to alienate fans b hiring this guy. who knows, you know, as far as kaepernick ever playing again, you know, i personally doubt ite i don'a team signing him
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at this point. i think it will be too much of a kerr fuferle for them. he could win his grievance and win tens of millions of dollars but i don't imagine him. playi he had a short but good career, made over 40 million bucks, andh no's kind of become almost a global, iconic figure, if you will, of resistance and protest. >> nawaz: there is an actual game sunday now, yu've gotom brady leading the patriots. y h. >> nawaz: record ninth super bowl for him. first tme super bowl quarterback for the rams. what do you think is going to happen in the game? >> as a kid growing up, i was a jets fan, loved joe namath, so i lean ward the patriots,ut you can't bet against them.ic beliis too crafty. i think the patriots are able tf play dferent tiles of football offensively, they may be able to
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control the footbalinst the rams and ramp up possession and if th's the case rams lose, another one for brady. >> nawhaz: experience wins te day.nk >> i to. >> nawaz: thanks for being here. >> my pleasure. >> woodruff: an update now to a story we reported earlier: this evening, virginia governor ralph rtham acknowledged that he was in a photograph depicting black face and a ku klux klan outfit. the photwas made public today, and comes from his 1984 medical school yearbook. northam's statent this evening said, in part, "i am deeply sorry for the decisi i made to appear as i did in this photo, and for the hurt that decision caused, then and now." and that brings us to the analysis of shields and brooks. that isyndicated columnist
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mark shields and "new york times" columnist david brooks. hello to both of you. >> judy. >> woodruff: i want to begin, orted, with the news we rep earlier in the program that the pictures of govnonortham surfaced, seen a year ago as are prive democrat in the south in virginia but now can he survive this? >> 1984 is not like 1850. it's med school, nothigh school, not college, he's a full-grown adult. it's shocking and appalling this was the norm too this. i don't know if it survives. virginia is a one-term state, so you never have to run again. but i really don't know. frkly, i was a little more appalled about his count nance earlier in the week about letting babies die on tables when they're born in late-term abortions so that's what got the ball rolling. so i would say these are two events i findll mo
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incomprehensf:le. >> woodrark what about about? i want to ask you about the abortion debate david is referring to. >> judy, i think ralph northam ran campaign last yr in which race was an issue and he was the pro-civil rights candidate and castigated by republicans for sponsoring, suorting the removal of confederate statutes from public es to museums and that has been his record and that's very much add odds with that. i agree with david that it's offensive and indefensible and the fact he was a grown man. i don't think it leads to resignation, it was a one-term state, but certainly i think inhibits mise effectiveness as governor and certainly from the moral level of a vernor calling a people to sacrifice, a collective sacrifice. >> wootauff: we'll cerly see. this is all literally breaking as we were sitngere tonight together on the program.
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david, quickly, you referred to the diste or, frankly, outrage that poured out earlier this we virginia, there was just, in brief, a staetegislator in virginia wanting to expanding abortion rights late into the trimester. it mde an even bigger story. >> it started with andrew cuomo in new york where they passed a billith full-length abortion. you can pro-choice, pro-life, i thought cuomo made a mistake lighting up th tower on trade world center. you don't celebrate full-term abortion with lighting up a tower in celebration ur law. there was a bill proposed in the virginia legislate to do this and the legislator was asked can you abort a baby in the bith canal and she said yes. the governor was trying toic
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explain mely if a child comes out with problems then the physicians and the parents would decide whether or not to resuscitate. to me that's not my understanding of the hip contract oath. if a baby is on the table, it's not an abortn, it'a baby breathing on the table, a human being and whatever yonk of a pro-life issue. so we're pushing new territory t s debate, territory almost no other country in the world endorses. i think david makes excellent points. i whether add to it, judy, abortion, americans are collectively pro-choice andan -abortion. you ask americans how they feel about abortion, they don't like it, but ad woman for make a decision under difficult circumstances, consultation wit her conscience and physician they're not going to criminalize it. but as long as the question is wh is being decided rather than who is being decided. swhen you talk about what being decided as david described
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frankly is found indefensible. abortion is an issue that americans quite buntly have never resolved. i mean, it remains in every gallup poll, a plurality of americans think abortion is immoral. at the same time, they do not want to criminalize it. but i do think that when yoe gt into it, as we talked about in rginia, it's infanticide when you have the child born, comforted, con sold and then decide whether, you know, 24 hours, 12 hours, a week? you know, i jut think the democrats could run from being the pro-choice party to being the no-choice party in those instances. >> woodruff: we should point out what democrats are trying to do in a nuer of the states i talk about the health and life ar the mother and baby, and those issues areof this as well, but, you're right, we're not going to resolve this this
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evening, but it's an important ing to bring up let's talk quickly about the border wall dispute, david. here we are a week later, the committee ist meetinge capital, the president saying he's mad. do democrats rublicans have any more leverage? >> i assume we're not going to have a shuown again on february 15th because it would just be suicidal for republicans. and the senate republicans are more active thitime, but i don't see how it gets resolved. trump said thsnegotiati don't matter, i want my wall. nancy pelosi is stiell in position the wall similar moral. the obvious exit route is they find some money for border llcurity and trump gets to c it a wall if it is or not. but they don't seem to get a route to get there and both doesn't want to let the other side seem they won, so symbolically they can't share aa victory. i don't see a way out.
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>> woodruff: senator shelly capito wut on the show earlier this week and said lvies may a barrier. >> yes. >> woodruff: it may come down to some construction or definition. >> i agree witvid's point, judy. i think whether it's border securi or whatever, the president is not being helpful.e i , there seems to be on the part to have republicans, senator capo, sthr senor cornyn, senator thune, an understanding that they've got to resolve ths and want it resolved and, at the same time, being increasingly frank about the predent's unhelpfulness in it. john cornyn said we're trying to figure out where he stands, and john thne, senator from south dakota, said we cannot say that these meetings are fruitless, we're tryinto get somewhere. almost what president trump is
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doing is making the congressional system more positive. i mean, we're turning to them in hopes. we always thought the executive was very efficient, but, now, i mean, the hope for resolving this is frankly with the conference of senators and house members. >> woodruff: even as the president pronounces it a waste of tim >> yes. >> woodruff: to the presidential contest. david, we have several peple jumping in. today it's new jersey senator a few days ago howard schultz, the man who put starbucks on the map is saying he's seriously looking at this as an independent, getti a loof flack, and one of the issues coming out of this is what democrats are saying they want to do with regard to taxg wealth, taxing people who are extremely wealthy tot more money for the government. how big an issue is tht aing to be in this campaign and what is howard schultz -- >> well, it's not a great issue
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to start with. people didn't want to raise taxes. that's generally unpopular even for democrats. but widening inequality makes it a much more accessible issue. the only point i make on that is when we had tax rates up to 70 tax revenue share of g.d.p. was about 90% we reduced rates from 70 to 33 and tax rates of sare of g.d.p. was 30%, and that didn't change. i don't think it makes a huge difference in how much people are actually paying in taxes. a for shuttles, ilways wanted a third voice in this thing, but he has no message. the message of fiscal cooervatism and sal liberalism is fine but it's not a message germane to ths moment and it's not a message that's going to mobilize actual independents. schultz, if he does run, will only get votes if it's trmp versus sanders, say. that is the choice, then schultz becomes the empty vessel upon which people will ll into.
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but it didn't need to be this way. he didn't need to be an empty tessel. he could aclly have a message and hasn't found one yet. >> woodruff: and democrats areng sae's got to get out of the race which he hasn't jumped into yet, buthey're saying don't jump in because you're going to hand the election overl to d trump. >> i've seen chilly welcomes before. this ranks at the top. 537 votes, that was0 200, that was florida, that's what al gore lost to george bush and lost the white use. democrats have not -- why did he lose it? well, one democratic explanation is there were 97,498 votes casti in f that year for ralph nader. if ralph nader had not been inc the e, very little question that al gore would have carried florida and t en presid the united states. so third parties have been ngeilers rather than cha agents for most in american politics. at the same time, i agree with david that there was no -- there's no constituency other
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than a couple of journals of dfiscal responsibility cultural liberalism, and yo're talking about one-third of one percen trump depends on one thing, he's is only president in the history of the country that every day of his presidency, now some 742, he has never had a poitive day of polling either personally or professionally. he needs a third party candidate. he needs probably a third partyr and a party candidate so his 41% or 42% will get him there. and i think that's what you've got in schultz is a kind of you're coming in to a spoiler, and democrats kind of understood that the important thing is to beat donald trump at the same time, democrats this week are spending time arguing about who can be the most leaist activist in the prty. the reality is, since 1990, isth incomehousehold income of
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the top 1 percent has doubled is the unitates, has doubled. that's the top 1 percent. among the median income -- household income in the united states, it's increased by 6%. so thdisparity in wealth is there, and the ability to payth is, i thinkvalue that democrats have embraced in taxation, but, again, what you don't want to d is give donald trump a chance to make you the issue running ainst him. you want 2020 to be a referendum on donald trump, up or down on donald trump, not on some democratic, internal fight over issues. >> woodruff: 20 seconds, david, which says that this whole debate over inequality is s.kely to be part of th >> it should be. i mean, mark's point is right. i'm coerned but i do think some things are out of control. i'll just say, finally, ido not like donald trump and i do not like his presidency. i felt the democrats veone their best to slap people like
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me in the face over the last >>ek over a lot of different issues. oodruff: well, we may have to pursue that another time we gather at this table. david bros, mark shields, thank you. >> woodruff: and finally tonight: the world through his lens. jeffrey brown has a look at the extraordinary journey of photogra >> brown: two children with a doll. who are they? and what are their lives like? a young man walking away from us-- where is he coming from? where is he going? armed wi his camera, gordon parks told stories of individuals and, through them, of the larger world. >> he had a fantastic ability to, you know, compose a series of elements within a picture, to convey a sense of, of a story. >> brown: philip brookman is curator of "gordon parks: the new tide," an exhibition at the
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national gallery of art in washington. spanning the first ten years of his career, from 1940 to 1950, it's a chance to see how a young man-- self-taught and without a high school diploma, became one of the 20th century's master artists. >> parks came to an understaing, i think, really before he ever picked up a camera, that it could be a tool for him to use to be able to express his own feelings about his life. >> brown: gordon parks was born in fott, kansas in 1912, the youngest of 15 children.hi he creditemother, sarah, who died when he was 16, with giving him confidence and strength, even growing up amid verty and prejudice. parks spoke of his childhood in a 1997 newshour interview. >> tt disadvantage sometimes pushes you. you know, if you use it right. because you want to... rid
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yourself of those things that hurt you emotionally when u're coming up. >> brown: inspired by the work evof dorothea lange, walkes, and other depression-era photographers he saw in magazines, parks first picked up a camera at the age of 25. in st. paul and then chicago, he took portraits, including marva trotter louis, a rformer, model and wife of boxer joe louis. and he did his first journalism, he befriended and photographed leading african american artists and scholars, including langsto hughes, charite, alain locke. and he did his first journalism, covering eleanor roosevelt's visit to a southside community center. parks called"che camera his ice of weapons." >> gordon parks always had a sense that media, that the camera and photography and writing and media, could be, you know, a very important tool in
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helping the world understand tha image ican american people. and it was through that understandg that you could make the world a better place. >> brown: in 1942, parks was awarded a prestigiou fellowship, allowing him to work as a photographer for the farm security administration. his first assignment: documenting african american life iwashington, d.c., then a deeply segregated city. among his early works, this photo of a young boy who lost his leg in a streetcar accident. >> i was really struck by, you know, how intense the relatiships are in the picture. >> brown: the relationships between the photographer? >> relationships between theog phpher and the boy, but also the relationship between the boy and the two girls sitting across the street. these are things that, you know, in some ways, i'm finding in the photograph, but parks put them there for us to find. and he knew he was doing that. >> brown: it was here parks created one of his most famous photos-- a portrait of ella watson, a cleaning lady in a government building in d.c.
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h>> i first asked her abo life, and it was so disastrous that i just felt that i must photograph this woma in a way, th would make me feel, make the public feel about what washington d.c. was in 1942. >> brown: thnow-iconic image, called "american gothic" after the famed painting by grant wood, was part of a larger series on watson, her family ano unity, an extended "photo essay" style that parks would go on to use throughout his career. t parks, often, he would meet people, and he wouk to them, he would learn their stories, he would understand who they were, you know, long before he would er bring along a camera. he was able to use his own experiences and his own struggles to understand and pathize with others. >> brown: in 1944, standard oil hired parks as a photographer. c he woutinue to hone his craft, and earn his first real paycheck, traveling around the
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country shooting scenes and portraits like this one, of an oil worker at the penola grease plant in pittsburgh. >> in order to convey the sense of both danger and heroism,ha sohe's done is, he's created a portrait of a heroic african american worker working for standard oil. this is an amazingly, you know,a technical phot to produce and, you know, in a very short time, parks has learned, you know, the skills, and masteredth e skills. >> brown: he photographed white fisherman and farmers, black pilots training for wa he continued to break barriers. in 1949, he was hired as the fit black staff photograph at "life" magazine, where his photo essays included one on a harlem gang member named red jackson. he also traveled internationally shooting high fashion spreads in paris, and celebrities likeid inergman in italy. fo 1950 he returned to his childhood home i scott to shoot a series for the magazine. it was just the beginning.
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parks would go on to write several memoirs and novels, to direct films, including "shaft" and an adaptation of his book, "the lrning tree," and to compose music, while continuing to work as a photographer. >> brown: gordon parks dd in 2006 at the age of 93. "gordon parks: the new tide" is on through february 18. for the pbs newshour, i'm waffrey brown, at the national gallery of art iington, d.c. >> woodruff: and that is the newshour for tonight. i'm judy woodruff. have a great weekend. thank you, and good night. >> major funding for the pbs h wshour has been rovided by: >> on a cruise witerican cruise lines, you can experienci historic destis along the mississippi river, the columbia rir and across the united
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