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captioningnsored by newshour productions, llc >> woodruff: good evening. i'm judy woodruff. on the newshour tonight: >> we can no longer be restricted by the treaty while russia shamelessly violates it. >> woodruff: the trump administration suspends one of the last major nuclear arms deals with moscow. then, taking on thmiddleman. a conversation with secretary of health and human services alex azar on the push to drive down the price of prescription drugs. and, it's friday. mark shields and david brooks are here to talk about the divide over a border wall, the split between the president and his intelligence community, and some of the democrats flocking to run for the white house. plus, gordon parks on display at ive national gallery of art. a look at the formyears of a major 20th-century photographer.
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public broadcasting. and by contributions to your pbs station from viewers lu. thank you. >> woodruff: the latest look at the u.s. ecomy shows a job market going strong. the labor department reported today that employers added a net of 304,000 jobs in january, the most in nearly a year. the jobless rate did rise slightly to 4%, because furloughed federal workers were counted as unemployed. we will break down the jobs numbers later in the program. a brutal, week-long cold blast of weather has finally begun tot release s grip on the country, after at least 25 deaths and widespread disruption. frigid conhtditions eased sl across the midwest today, though rivers and cities remainedr. frozen o and, sub-zero temperatures hung on in the
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by contrast, w temperatures could climb 80 degrees from this week's lows, and bring a wave of water pipes and other damage. president trump said today that he is closer to declaring a national emergency at the u.s. b southeder. the move could let him use defense and other funds to build a border wall. at the white house, the president complained that democrats are obstructing his efforts, so declarin emergency is a live option. >> certainly thinking about it. i, i thi there's a good chance we'll have to do that. at the same time, regardless, we're building the wall. and we're building a lot of wall. but i can do it a lot faster the other way. >> woodruff: congressional negotiators from both parties are working on aorder security agreement, hoping to avoid another government shutdown in two weeks. but, in a "new york times" interview, mr. trump dismissed that effort as a "waste of time." the president formally announced today the united states willco
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withdraw from war-era nuclear arms pact with russia. the "intermediate-range nuclear forces" treaty banned testing and deploying certain missiles. the u.s. alleges that moscow has violated the trey. we will lay out the details after the news summary. virginia's democratic governor,p northam, is facing questions tonight about a p yearboto showing someone in black-face, and another person in a ku klux klan robe. the image appears on northam's page in his 1984 medical school yearbook. it is unclear who the two people are, but the other pictures on the page are of as of early vening, the governor's office had no comment. new jersey's u.s. senator cory booker has joined the democratic presidential field for 2020. the two-term senator and former newark mayor is a longtime advocate for racial juste and prison reform. in newark today, he said his goal is to bring together a
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polarized nation. >> i'm going to run a race about not what i'm against or who i'm against, but who i'm for and what i'm for. i'm not looking to simplistically to beat republicans. no, i'm looking to unite americans in this race, beuse i believe we have more in common than divides us. >> woodruff: the democratic field now has at least eight major candidates. the vatican's women's magazine is speaking out about sexual abuse of nuns by catholic priests. the article appeared today in "women church world."ck itwledges that nuns have had abortions or given birth to children never recnized by their fathers. it says the nuns stayed silent t t of fear of retaliation. the claims were fiported by other outlets last year. in iran, a ten-day celebration has begun, marking the 40th anniversary of the islamic revolution. state-tv todayhowed students waving flags outside the mausoleum of ayatollah ruhollah khomeini.
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ishe returned from exile ote dan 1979, and sparked mass demonstrations that toppled the government t days later. facebook says it h removed 783 fake accounts linked to iran. the social media giant says they were spreading false infmation using stories from iranian state media. it says the accounts wer suspended before last year's elections. on wall street today, the dow jones industrial average gained 64 points to close at 25,063. the nasdaq fell 17 points, and the s&p 500 added two. for the week, all three indexes gained well over 1 and in china, millions have begun traveling home to celebrate the lunar new year t nesday. festivities ushering in the "year of the pig" last from february 4th to the 10th. airports, railways and ports are
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adding more planes, trains and ships to keep up with the travel rush. the chinese government expectsee nearly thrillion trips in total during the hl iday. stil come on the newshour: what's next, as the u.s. pulls out of a major nuclear arms. trea how does manufacturing fit into the broader u.s. jobs picture. masecretary of health and services alex azar on lowering drug prices. y the n.f.l.'s handling colin kaepernick looms over this sunday's super bowl. and, much more. >> woodruff: as we reported, the trump administration announced today at it would officially suspend participation in the in the intermediate forces treaty, or i.n.f., beginning tomorrow. as nick schifrin reports, that starts a six-month window for
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russia and the u.s. to either make a last-minute deal, or risk losing a landmark agreement that helped reduce cold war tensions. >> for the first time in history, the language of arms control was replaced by arms reduction. >> schifrin: it was 1987, and president reagan and soviet leader mikhael gorbechev laid a cornerstone of nuclear arms reduction-- a treaty that eliminated an entire class of u.s. and soviet missiles. >> today, on this vital issue, at least, we have seen what canl be acched when we pull together. >> schifrin: both sides removedr thousands ofads and destroyed ground-launched missiles with a range of 300 to 3,400 miles. but for e last few years, the u.s. says russia has developed and deployed this missile, on display last week in moscow, v thlates the treaty. and russia refused u.s. requests to destroy it. today, president trump said as long as russia wasn't abiding by the trea u.s.ither would the >> unless we're going to have
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something that we all agree to, we can'te put at the disadvantage of going by a treaty, limiting what we do, when somebody else dsn't go by that treaty. >> schifrin: but the russianca say this amemissile defense system in romania could be modified to launch an offensive missile, and therefore the u.s. is the violator. today, russian deputy foreign minister sergei ryabkov lled the u.s. suspension a mistake. >> ( trslated ): we think th the agreement is essential. it is within interests of our security and europeasecurity, and it would be irresponsible for one side to shatter it. >> europe has been the one that benefited the most from thistr ty. >> schifrin: today, nato backed the u.s. accusation against russia, t some european officials, like e.u. foreign policy chief federica mogherini, fear the start of a new arms race. from the late '70s through the late '80s, the soviet union and u.s. deployed mobile, nuclear- tipped missiles to europe. e the i.n.minated them, and european officials say they don't want to turn back the
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clock. >> wt we definitely don't wa to see is our continent going back to being a battlefield, or a place where other superpowers confront themselves. this belongs to a faraway history. >> schifrin: senior administration officials say they have no plans to acquire or deploy intermediate range missiles to europe, or anywhere else. but, the pentagon has a research and development program into new missiles ready to go, and a nato official tells pbs newshour, the u.s. has raised the idea of testing a new, non-nuclear ground-launched cruiseissile this year. >> i think that ultimately will cause me unnecessary friction with our best friends in the world-- that is, the allies in nato. >> schifrin: tom countryman was the obama administration's top arms control officia he says today's u.s. decision is a mistake, because it doesn't solve the problem: theussian missile that violates the treaty and threatens europe. >> it does not address the european security disadvantageea
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d by the new russian deployment. and secondly, because it allows russia to get out of this treaty that has served us and european interests well, while blaming the united states. >> schifrin: but russia's not the only country that fields intermediate range missiles. u.s. officials say china and iran each have more than 1,000 missiles that would violate the i.n.f., if they were party to it, raising questions about the future of intermediate missilesn and armsol. the u.s. is currently debating what to do about the "new start" treaty, that limits the number ategic nuclear weapons. u.s. officials predict a divide between national security caadvisor john bolton, criof arms control, and pentagon offici "new start." extending today, secretay of state mike pompeo said the u.s. was only interested in extending thef. treaty >> protects the american o people, protec allies around the world as well, and has provisions that other
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countries are both capable and willing to comply with, and low us to verify that th have complied with those agreements. absent tt, it's just sitting around a table talking. >> schifrin: in 1987, years of talkinallowed the two titans of the cold war a little banter over an old reagan line. >> the maxim is... ( reagan speaks russian ). trust but verify. ( laughter ) >> schifrin: today, the u.s. and russia have little trust, and won't let each other verify.d th countries are preparing for a future without the intermediate nuclear forces treaty. for the pbs newshour, i'm nick schifrin. >> woodruff: 2019 got off to a strong start on the jobs front, with payrolls far higher than expected, and a long-lasting recovery that has now added jobs for 100 months consecutively, through two
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presidents. it comes at a moment when there have been questions over president trump's ability to deliver blue-collar manufacturing jobsn high profile cases where he has personally intervened. john yanexplores both parts of this story. >> yang: judy, let's break down the new data with neil irwin, senior econocs correspondent for the "new york times;" and danielle paquettr national laporter for the "washington post." neil, let me start with you. there has be a lot of talk and concern about the economy going into a.ecessi what does today's jobs report tell us about the state of the economy. >> look, i think the recession fears we were hearing a lot about last month are out the window, this is anotrong eco and labor market, we've seen the stock market recover in the last few weeks. seems like an economy on relatively stable footing despite the risk we've seen. 304,000 jobs added in jan,ua still low unemployment, things
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look pretty good. >> yang: and, danielle, was there any evidence of proems with the government shutdown. >> you saw workers asmp arily laid off, the number shot up about 175,000, as empeople were forced ur fig out, what do i do? you can't go to work. you saw people rking part-time jobs out of economic necessity go up. they're becoming uber drvers, they're substitute teaching. htme were telling me they mig even hold on to those jobs in case the government shuts down ain. >> yanpeople should realize there are two surveys, the payrol tsurvey andhe house jobs survey that does theoy unemnt rate. is the uptick in unemployment rate in federal furloughed workers? >> yes, people who weren't working reported to the su trvey takeey didn't have a jobs, however the job still existed, so in the survey of employers, they listed as jobs still existing. but there was annvironment
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where this was a tough time for federal workers and thebu furloughed, it didn't distort the numbers to throw the expansion and recovery off-track. >> yang: a l of attention to the manufacturing sector. what did those numbers tell us not abounonly jauary but the last several years. >> steady gains, manufacturing employment keeps rising. the total keeps sted.adily upw this is a sector that is growing, even as there are alle allenges that are well understood about american manufacturing. >> yang: and, danielle, one of the reason we've got an lot i attention on manufacturing is the president getting involved. he talked about a taifiwanese 's plan to go into wisconsin, build a bi manufacturing plant, promised 13,000 jobs, prsident trump went to the groundbreaking, said it wouldn't happen pout without him. but we had turbulence in the
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plan. what's the latest ? >> fox oiginally billed that plan as a blue-collarva re wanted to hire thousands of crnufacturing workers, people to make touch eens at a factory. then later this week the company sa, no, they were going t pivot to a more engineering and research focus which would not priselue-collar jobs. all of a sudden, it flip-flopped again and saiyd, he, after talking to president trump, we've decided to go back to that original blueprint, and eveone is trying to make sense of that. >> yang: danielle, what does this s about the waye president has personalized thesn manufactjob announcements, not only foxo cn but carrier in indiana, g.m. and other operations? >> that's right, it's a risky move and president trump seems to get indolved with inidual firms more than any president in the past. but the carrier teal you mentioned, hatshowed up he plant in indianapolis and said i
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have personally saved all these bs from outsourcing to mexico. then you had a union leader telling us a couple days later, no, half those jobs would be lost anyy. so as facts emerge, it's hard to explain for president trump why the deals did not go the way he said they'd. >> yang: in the fox con deal, it was said there were market realities when they scaled back and did not do a manufacturing plant. the stories in the last several days about why apple is not doing more manufacturing in the united states, what does this say about the challenges to the manufacturing sector, en though it's growing, as you say, the challenges to really big expansion in u.s. manufacturing? >> look, in asia, there are ver comppply networks that enable the advanced electronics to get made in taiwan, korea, japan, and in rebuilding tha
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and creating a situation where there are all the riht parts at the right time in an american factory is hard to do. and maybe, americans are paid more, so making the economics work can be challenging. that sai tct their planning on keeping this as a research center is a sign of tho and what kind of roams the united states is good at which is technological development and more advanced role. >> yang: danielle, you cover labor. why ature manufng jobs more important to labor unions? >> well, that's the best paying job you can get withouta college degree. these are jobs that support families across the midsast, and yothose really holoout in the last 20 years or s.o but right now, even manufacturing is shifting towaro needine high-tech skills as we see a movement toward auto medication. so even those jobs are calling for motire edu. >> yang: danielle paquette of
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"the washington post," neil irwin of e "new york times," thanks to you both. >> thank you. >> woodruff: stay with us. coming up on the newsh mark shields and david brooks on the week's news. a anook at the early work of famed photographer gordon parks. but first, let's turn now to a different but crucial pocketbook issue: the cost of prescriptn drugs. the trump administration has taken a number of steps to tacklehe issue. the latest: a big move that essentially bans drug-makers from giving money in the form of rebates to middlemen known asma ph benefit managers and insurers. the rebates, which add up to e tens of billiory year, are widely seen as improving the chance that a drug will be used and covered. e new proposal would essentially make those rebates
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into illegal kickbacks. it applies to medicare and medicaid managed care plans, but the administration would like congress to change the law soth it applies to private insurance, too. alex azar is the secretary of h health aan services, and he joins me now. mr. secretary, welcome to the "newshour". >> great to be h fe, judy. than having me. >> woodruff: so tell us in brief why you believe this step will bring down the price of prescription drugs. >> you bet what a lot of your viewers may not understand is, when they walk into the pharmacy and they get a $300 drug, they're going to pay that $300 or often percent of that $300, b, behind the scenes, a payment is going, oten, from the drg company to the pharmacy benefit manager or middle mamint be 60, 80, $100, they don't know, it's concealed, but they're not getting the benefit of that when they walk into the pharmacy, and what we're proposing is to make that payment have to be given as a discount to the ptient when they're in the pharmacy because, right now, the system actually
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incentivizes higher list prices. the panrmacy benefitager gets more money if the price is higher. >> woouff: because there's so much secrecy about it. >> yes, and the rebates are a percent of the lisce. >> woodruff: already some of the pushback is that this evitably is going to lead to higher insurance premiums. in fact, h.h.s., your department acknowledges that. and what people are pointing out that, yes, the benefit may well go to people who have high drug costs to pay, but for people who don't have a lot of escription drugs, people who already benefit from generics, they're not going to see thisf kind benefit. they're not going to realize these lower prices. >> woodruff: so right now, in our part d. medicare program by is the senioritizen retail drug program, there are $29 billion a year of rebatesu paid by dg companies to these pharmacy benefit managers. we would nor direct those the benefit of the senior when
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they walk into the pha so they're going to get the vast majority of seniors are going to do better out of pocket saving money. they buy a $30drug, they get a $100 discount. more seniors will benefit out of pocket more than the modest 3 to 5% modest change. >> woodruff: democrats are arguing this is a plan that doesn't go far enough because it still lets drug companies set and raise the prices, meaning as high as they want them to beyo becausstill have this lack of transparency. and they say esstentially w you just described. there's this wall between what the pharmaceutical companies know and what consumers know. >> this oposal brings transparency for the first time to this entire system because now those secret kickbacks that
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haveeen given by drg companies to pharmacy benefit nagers will be transparent because they're give on the patient when they walk into the pharmacy, and what's gng to happen is you have certain classes of drugs where you have very, very hh rebates, sometimes 50, 60, 70% rebate on drugs and, yet, list prices keep going up. why? because the drug company wants keep being able funnel more money to these middle men. wi this change where the benefit gets the -where the patient gets the benefit of the discount in the pharmacy, we take away the la excuse the drug companies have to support these high list prices. they will bring their ug prices down closer to the discounted price. we'll actlly for the first time ever have competition based on price for drugs if you wlieve that. odruff: but drug companies will still be able to do what they want and set price as they wish. >> but there is transparency, the price and theun diswould be known and available.
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so this is the single biggest step in history ever to bring drug prices down for people. >> woodruff: beyond that,ar mr. secr there's a more fundamental question tha t's being asked out there, this is something president trump talked about the campaign trail when he ran for president, and that is why not press the pharmaceutical industry, why not change the law so that the government can negotiate directly be pharmaceutical companies through medicare? in other words, use medicare as a way to get these drugie compto bring truly significant lower drug prices?y >> we actua use medicare to bring significantly lower prices so in this rail -- >> woodruff: but part of medicare. >> well, actually, weine ng competition and negotiation where it hasn't existed before. so, right now, in this retail drug program, we have these massive farm pharmacy benefit managers that control tens of thousands of lives, they have the best discounts on earth. we're bringing to our medicare
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part b program which is it fee for sevice program where if you get an infusion from your doctor, we basical paid close to stick price plus a markup for the last decade. we're for the first time actually bringing negotiation discounting to that. >> woodruff: but why not do it for all of medicare? >> that's what we're doing is brig competitive market discountg to all parts of medicare. no need to bring it where it already exists.o >> woodruff: you're saying you don't need to change the law? ause weon't need to bec have negotiation. peter opeter orzag made it cleat you wouldn't get in the medicare part d. drug prgram better discounts than we currently get unless you set a single national restrictive formulary. that meeans th secretary picks one drug in america and you don't get the other drug. y don't like it, go to england. so far, i havena'td heard a lot of support for restriction on access f seiors especially
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when we can get the discounts we want. and that doesn't solve the problem of out of pocket orist price. that would reinforce the current messed up syem we have. we where we're pulling the discount forms to the patient in thalpolicy changel that. >> woodruff: the policy withrd reo immigrant families coming across the border in the united states. the inspector general h.h.s. at your department said last week, turns out there may b many, many more of these children separated from theirpa nts who came across the border since mid 2017 than previously acknowledged. utt what i want to ask you abo is there have been a number of reports and cases of migrant children being abused while in government-run shelters, acilities.-run how much do you know about this and what's being done about it?y h, so we take the care of these children that come into our custody very seriously. it is a sacred obligation that we have to provide a safe,
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secure, loving environment for these children when they'reed pl all the kids that we have basically come across the border alone. they were sent re by their families, their parents, crossed here illegally and alne. many of them abused. a large number of these girls are sexually abused on the way here, it is a dangerous journey. theyreome across, theaken into custody, then given to us to care for where we,s expeditiously as possible, try to place them with other family members or sponsors here in the united stateut >> woodruff:'m asking about those children that -- >> when we receive any allegation of any type ofb ause, neglect or any impropriety in y of our facilities, we take it with the gravest seriousness. we go in, invesgate, work with state investigators. >> woodruff: how wiespread do you think this is. >> very rare. these grantees are socialch servicd welfare providers -- >> woodruff: so you're confident you're getting to t bottom of exactly whowch hoff
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this is going on? >> when we get reports we take it deadly seriously and will refer it to state and localf prosecutors need be. we will actually kick providers out of our pogram. we will stop admissions. >> woodruff: have you done that? >> yes, we and usu, we're acting on these before the media has even learned about them. often, the reports that you hearing we have already dealt with and they're trailing reports. we canenly act on what wearn about. when we get an allegation, we take this with the gave eof seriousness. we want these children to be in a safg,e, lovin secure environment while they're in our care. cretary of health and human services alex azar, thank you. >> thank you, judy. >> woodruff: when the new england patrts first emerged as a super bowl winner in this era, it was not athell clear thatwere a dynasty on the rise.
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e at was nearly 20 years ago, and the patriots wtually the underdog against what was the then-st. louis rams. this sunday, the patriots are going for a sixth championship, and the rams, who have since moved to l angeles, would love to even the score. but, as amna nawaz tells us, the league has still not fully come to terms with the fallout of the colin kaepernick story and hispr ests against police brutality and racial inequality. >> nawaz: there's no doubt itg was a ar for the n.f.l. ratings were up this season. teams scored more, as offenses kicked into another gear. but the reaction to kaepernick and how the league has responded keeps coming up. n.f.l. commissioner roger goodell had to address it, and many musicians, including, reportedly, rihanna, turned down a chance to perform at the halftime show, a premier event seen by tens of millions. the band maroon five was one of the bands who did agree to perform sunday, and now they'rea faciacklash of their own. michael fletcher of espn's
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"the undefeated" has beent writing abl this, and joins me now. michael, welcome back to the you've written about this in your latest piece. there's two quarterbacks on the field sunday, a third everyone has been taking about and that is colin kaepernick. the man rarely speaks publicly. he rarely gives interviews if ever, why are we still talking about him today? >> it's so interesting you pointed it ouit's been two years since kaepernick paid but yet he still underlies a lot of conversation and angst that surrouths the n.f.l. have broken ratings this year, games exciting, the money continues to flow bt there isa troubling racial dynamic underlying the legue and kaepernick represents that, the fact he hasn't been signed the protest he ignited by kneeling during the national anthem kind revealed this racial split hat's n.f.l. fans and something that the league is trying to hold together and so
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far soo go but clearly there's a tremor happening. >> nawaz: clearly that racl divide exists. the majority of players are african- of owners are white. a lot of conversations around that. kaepernick filed a complaint with the n.f.l. saying owners colluded to keep him unsigned e.d out of the gam earlier this week, goodell was asked about kaepernick in what s supposed to be a peres conference about the super bowl but here's what he add to say when asked about why kaepernick hasn't been signed. >> our clubs are the ones that ke decisions on players they want to have on their roster. ey make that individually, they make that in the best interest of their team, and that's somet ng that weas the n.f.l. take pride in. if a team dcides that colin kaepernick or any other player can help their tetham winat's what they'll do. >> nawaz: so, michael, what do
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you make of the response from goodell and do you think we'll ever see kap back on an n.f.l. team? >> roger goodell has been saying that last two years and at's been his stock response. the league doesn't go further in talking about why kaepernick is not on a team. we did a poll recently that looked at this racial divide. black fans bak,ck kaepern white fans don't back kaepernick. you know, and you sort of have that sort of right down the line. you talk about people turrning away the game, more white fans are actually turyning awa from the game because to have the whole kaepernick protesth movementn black fans, even though both sides are kind of put off. tesoyou can understand hoam owners are kind of in a bind in a sense. they'rprobably making a business decision saying we don't want to alienate fans by hiring this guy. who knows, you know, as far as kaepernick ever playing again, you kno personally doubt it. i don't see a team signing him
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at this poink. i tt will be too much of a kerr fuferle for them. he could win hisrievance and win tens of millions of dollars aying.don't imagine him pl he had a short but good career, made over 40 million bucks, and now he's k become almost a global, iconic figure, if you will, of resistance and protest. >> nawaz: there is an actual game sunday now, you've got tom brady leading the ptriots. >> yeah. >> nawaz: record ninth super bowl for him. first timsur bowl quarterback for the rams. what do you think is going to happen in the game? >> as a kid growing up, i ws a jets fan, loved joe namath, soi lean ward the patriots, but you can't bet agasthem. belichick is too crafty. rethink the patriots are able to play dif tiles of football offensively, they may be able to
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controstthe football aga the rams and ramp up possession and if tat's the case rams lose, another one for brady. nawaz: exerience wins the day. >> i think so. >> nawaz: thanks for being here. >> my pleasure. >> woodruff: an update now to a story reported earlier: this evening, virginia governor ralph northam acowledged that he was in a photograph depicting black face and a ku klux klan outfit. the photo was made public today, and comes from his 1984 medical schoolearbook. northam's statement this evening said, in part, "i am deeply sorry for the decision i made appear as i did in this photo, and for the hurt that decision caused, then and now." and that brings us to the analysis of shields and brooks. that is syndiced columnist
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mark shields and "new york times" columnist david brooks. hello to both of you. >> judy. >> woodruff: i want tin, david, with the news we reported earlier in the program that the pictures of governor northam surfaced, seen a year ago as amo progressive crat in the south in virginia but now can he survive this? 1 4 is not like 1850. ool, nothigh school, not college, he's a full-grown it's sho and appalling this was the norm to do this. i don't know if it survives. virginia is a one-term state, s ver have to run again. but i really don't know. frankly, i ws a little more appalled about his count nance earlier in the week about letting babies die on tables when they're born in lte-term abortions so that's what got the ball rolling. so i would say the are two events i find morally
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incomprehensible. >> woodruff: mark what about about? i want to ask you about the abortion debate david is referring to. >> judy, i think ralph northam ran a campai last year in which race was an issue and he was the pro-civil rights candidate and castigated by republicans for sponsoring, supporting the removal of confederate statutes from public places to museums and that has been his record and that's very much add odds with that.v i agree with did that it's offensive and indefensible and e fact he was a grown man. i don't think it leads to resignation, it was a one-term state, but certainly i think inbits mise efectiveness as governor and certainly from the moral level of era govr calling a people to sacrifice, a collective sacrifice. >> woodruff: we'll certainly see. this is all literally breaking as we were sitting here tonight together on the program.
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david, quickly, you referred to the dispute or, frankly, outrage that poured out earlier this week.ia virgthere was just, in brief, a state legislator in virginia wanting to expanding abortion rights late into the trester. it made an even bigger story. >> it stard with andrew cuomo in new york where they passed a bill with full-length abortion. you can pro-choice, prlife, i thought cuomo made a mistake lighting up the tower on trade world center. you don't celebrate full-term abortion with lighting p a tower in celebration of your law. there was a bill proposed in the virginia legislature to do this and the legislator wassked can you abort a baby in the birth canal and she said yes. the governor was trying to
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explain medically if ild comes out with problems then the physicians and the parents would decide whether or not to resuscitate. to me that's not my understanding of the hip contract oath. if a baby is on the tab, it's not an abortion, it's a baby t breathing on tle, a human being and whatever you think of a pro-life e're pushing new territory in this debate, territory almost no other country in the world endorses. >> i think david makesellent points. i whether add to it, judy, abortion, americans are collectively pro-choice and anti-abortion. tu ask americans how they feel about abortioey don't like it, but a woman forced to make e sion under difficult circumstans, consultation with her conscience and physicianth 're not going to criminalize it. but as long as the question is what is being decided rather than who is being decided. when you tk about what is being decided as david described
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frankly is found indefensible. abortion is an iss that americans quite bluntly have never resolved. i mean, it remains in every gallup poll, a plurality of americans think abortion is immoral. at the same time, they do not want to criminalize it. but i do think that when you get into it, as we talked about in virginia, it's infcane when you have the child bororn, cod, con sold and then decide whetheryou know, 24 hours, 12 hours, a week? you kno i just ink the democrats could run from being the pro-choice party to being the no-choice party in those instances. >> woodruff: we should point out what democrats are trying to do in a number of the states is alk about the health and life of the mothd baby, and those issues are part of this as well, but, you' right, we're not going to resolve this this evening, but it's an important
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thing to bri up. let's talk quickly about the border wall dispute, did. here we are a week later, the committee is meeting at the capital, the president saying he's mad. do democrats or republicans have any more leverage? a >>ume we're not going to have a shutdown again on february 15th because it would just be suicidal for republicans. and the senate republicans are more ace,ive this tim but i don't see how it gets resolved. trump said the neg don't matter, i want my wall. nancy pelosi is sti position the wall similar moral. the obvious exit route is they find some money fr border security and trump gets to call .t a wall if it is or not but they don't seem to get a route to get there andth doesn't want to let the other side seem they won, so symbolically they can't share aa victory. i don't see a way out.o
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>> wdruff: senator shelly capito wut on the show earli this week and said levies may be a barri. yes. >> woodruff: it may come down to some construction or definition. >> i agrewith david's point, judy. i think whether it's border security or whatevt , the presid not being helpful. s i mean, theems to be on the part to have republicans, senator capito, str senator cor senator thun understanding that they've got to resolve this and want it resolved med, at the ime, being increasingly frank about the president's unhelpfulness in it. john cornyn said we're trying to figure out where he stands, and john thune, senator fromta south dasaid we cannot say that these meetings are fruitless, we're trying to get somewhere. almost what president trump is
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doing is making the congressional system more positive. i mean, we're turning to them in hopes. we always thought the executive was very efficient, but, now, i mean, the hope for resolving this is frankly with the conference of senators and house members. >> woodruff: even as the presidt pronounces it a was of time. >> yes. >> woodruff: to the presidential contest. david, we have several peopl jumping in. today it's new jersey senator cory boofr. days ago howard schultz, the man who put starbucks on ths map ing he's seriously looking at this as an independent, getting a lot of flack, and one of the issues coming out of this is what demotats are saying they w to do with regard to taxing wealth, taxing people who are tremely wealthy to get more money for the government. t going an issue is tha to be in this campaign and what is howard schultz -- >> well, it's not a great issue
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to start with. people didn't want to raise taxes. thn's generally unpopular e for democrats. but widening inequality makes i a mure accessible issue. the only point i make on that is when we had tax rates up to 70x venue share of g.d.p. was about 90%. we reduced rates from 70 to 33 and tax rates of share of g.d.p. was 30%, and that didn't change. i don't think it makes a huge difference in how much people are actually paying in taxes. as for shuttles, i always wanted a third voice in this thing, but he has no message. the message of fiscal conservatismnd social liberalism is fine but it's not a message germane to this momen and it's not a message that's e actual mobil independents. schultz, if he does run, will only get votes if it's trump versus sanders, say. if that is the choice, thenme schultz bethe empty vessel upon which people will fall into.
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but it didn't need to be this way. he didn't need to be an empty vessel. he could actually have a message and hasn'found one yet. >> woodruff: and democrats are saying he's got to get out of the race which he han't jumped into yet, but they're saying don't jump in because you'rego g to hand the election over to donald trump. >> i've seen chilly welcomes before. this ranks at the top. 537 votes, that was 2000, that was florida, that's what al gore lost to george bush and lt the white house. democrats have not -- why did he lose it? well, one democratic explanation is there were 97,498 votes cast in florida that year for ralph phder. if rader had not been in the race, very little question that al gore would have carried florida and been president of the united states. so third parties have been spoilers rather than change agents for most in american politics. at the same time, i agree with david that there was no -- there's no constituency other
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than au couple of jornals of fiscal responsibility and cultural liberalism, and you're talking about e-third of one percent. trump depends on one thing, he'n isy president in the history of the country that every day of his presidency, nowm so742, he has never had a positive day of pollinreither pesonally oral professily. he needs a third party candidate. he needs probably a third party and a fourth pa candidate so his 41% or 42% will get him there. and i think that's what you've got in schultz is a kind of you're coming in to be a spoiler, and democrats kind of understood that e important thing is to beat donald trump. at the same time, democrats this week are spending time arguing about who can be the most leftist actist in the party. the reality is, since 1990, is income, the household income of
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he top 1 percent has doubled in the united states doubled. that's the top 1 percent.on the median income -- household income in the united states, it's increased by%. so the disparity in wealth is there, and the abiaty to py is, i think, the value that democrats have embraced taxation, but, again, what you don't want to do is ge donald trump a chance to make you the issue running against hi you want 2020 to be a referendum on donald trump, up or down on donald tmp, not on some democratic, internal fight oveir es. >> woodruff: 20 seconds, david, which says that this whole debate ov ier inequality likely to be part of thi is. should be. i mean, mark's point is right. i'm concerned but do think some things are out of control. i'll just say, finally, i do not like donald trump and i do not likeis presidency. i felt the democrats have done their best to slap people like me in the face over the last
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week over a lot of different issu w. >> woodrufl, we may have to pursue that anothere im gather at this table. david brooks, mark shields, thank you. dr >> wf: and finally tonight: the world through his lens. jeffrey brown has a look at the extraordinary journey of photographer gordon rorks. >>: two children with a doll. who are they? and what are their lives like? a young man walking away from us-- where is he coming from? where is he going? armed with his camera, gordon parks told stories of individuals and, through them, of the larger world. >> he had a fantastic ability to, you know, compose a series of elements within a picture, to convey a sense of, of a story. >> brown: philip brookman is curator of "gordon parks: the new tide," an exhibition at the
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national gallery of art in enshington. spanning the firstears of his career, from 1940 to 1950, a ithance to see how a young man-- self-taught and without a gh school diploma, became one of the 20th century's master artists. parks came to an understanding, i think, really before he ever picked up a, cameat it could be a tool for him to use to be able to express his own feelings about hilife. sa brown: gordon parks was born in fort scott, kin 1912, the youngest of 15 children. he credited his motherh, who died when he was 16, with giving him confidence and strength, ev growing up amid poverty and prejudice. parks spoke of his childhood in a 1997 newshour interview. >> that disadvange sometimes pushes you. you know, if you use it right. because you want to... rid
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yourself of those things that hurt you emotionally when you're coming up. >> brown: inspired by the work of dorothea lange, walker evans, and other depression-era photographerhe saw in magazines, parks first picked up a camera at the age of t. paul and then chicago, he took portraits, including marva trotter louis, a performer, model and wife of stxer joe louis. and he did his fournalism, he befriended and photographed letsing african american art and scholars, including langston hughes, charles white, alain locke. and he did covering eleanor roosevelt's visit to a southside community center. parks called the camera eas "choice ofns." >> gordon parks always had a sense that media, that the camera and photography a g and media, could be, y know, a very important tool in
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rilping the world understand the image of african an people. and it was through that understanding that youould make the world a better place. >> brown: in 1942, parks was awardea prestigious fellowship, allowing him to work as a photographer for the farm security administration. his first assignment: documenting african american life in washington, d.c., then a deeply segregated city. among his early works, thisot of a young boy who lost his leg in a streetcar accidents >> ieally struck by, you know, how intense the relationships are the picture. >> bro: the relationships between the photographer? >> relationships between the photographer and the boy, but also the relationship between the boy and the two girls sitting across the thesthings that, you know, in some ways, i'm finding in the photograph, but parks put theme thr us to find. and he knew he was doing that. >> brown: it was here parkste crone of his most famous photos-- a portrait of ella watson, a cleaning lady in a government building in
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>> i first asked her about her life, and it was so disastrous that i just felt that i must photograph this woman, and in a way, th mat woue me feel, make the public feel about whath gton d.c. was in 1942. >> brown: the now-icon image, called "american gothic" after the famed painting by wood, was part of a larger series on watson, her and community, an extended "photo essay" style that parks would go on to usthroughout his career. >> parks, often, he would meet people, and he would talk to them, he would learn their stories, he would understand who they were, you know, long before he would ever bring alg a camera. he was able to use his own experiences and his own struggles to understand andwi empathiz others. >> brown: in 1944, standard oil hired parks as a photographer. he would continue to hone his craft, and earn his first real paycheck, traveling around the
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country shooting scenes and portraits like this one, of an oil worker at the penola grease plant in pittsburgh. >> in order to convey the sense of both danger and heroism,on so what he'sis, he's created a portrait of a heroic african american worker working for standard oil. this is an amazingly, you know, technical photograph to produce and, you know, in a very shortha time, parklearned, you know, the skills, and mastered those skills. >> brown: he photographed white fisherman and farmers, black pilotsraining for war, and he continued to break barriers. in 1949, he was hired as the first black aff photographer at "life" magazine, where his photo essays included one on aha em gang member named red jackson.o he aaveled internationally shooting high fashion spreads in paris, and celebrities like ingrid bergman in italy. in 1950 he returned to his tildhood home in fort sco shoot a series for the magazine. it was just the ginning.
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parks would go on to write several memoirs and novels, to direct films, including "shaft" and an adaptation of his book, "the learning tree and to mpose music, while continuing to work as a photographer. >> brown: gordon parks died in 2006 at the age of 93. "gordon parks: the new tide" is on through february 18. for the pbs newshour, i'm jeffrey brown, at the national gallery of art in washington, d.c. >> woodruff: and that is the newshour for tonight.uf i'm judy woo have a great weekend. thank you, and good night. >> major funding for the pbs newshour has been proded by: >> oa cruise with american cruise lines, you can experience thstoric destinations alon mississippi river, the columbia river and across the united
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