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. ♪ >> tonight on "kqed newsr oom" the house widens its investigatto president trump while new concerns emerge about north korea's nuclear program. we will talk with a local congressman who plays a k role on both issues. and facebook's about face. mark zuckerberg says the company's core focus will be private communications. t'll discuss that plushe ipo race among some of the bayar ea's biggest tech companies. and feminism meets pop-ups. we will preview an instagram ready art event that sparks selfies and conversations about struggles women face. hello andcome to kqed newsroom, i'm thuy vu. democrats lawmakers including several from the a bayrea are continuing to push for
investigations into president trump. this year they september ' letters requesting documents as it investigates possible corruption. the house oversight committee asked for documentsin concerng the security clearances of the president's son-in-law, jared kushnee,r. meanwhil days after u.s. talks with north korea abruptly ended, new evidence emerged showing north korea is ramping up its missile program. joining us now via skype from wug d.c. -- washington, d.c. congressman from program. nice to have you on the program. >> nice to be back on. >> i want to ask you about first of all about the paul manafort sentencing. he is president trump's campaign chair sentenced to nearly four years in prison. much l9s than the 1 to 24-year prison term prosecutors sought. what is your reaction that in. >> well, it seems like there are two scales of justice, one for
people who are poor or minorities who get locked up for a decade and another for folks that commit financial crimes or white collar crimes like manafort. obviously i don't have access to ll of the evidence and the transcript, but on its face it seems that cmanafortrimes would justify a longer sentence. >> ooand i would like to ask yo about the over sight committee hearing that happened last week that happened with michael cohen testifying. you askedome very ped questions during that hearing. do you think that the president has engaged in fraud and criminal conspiracy? >> it certainly appears so. i mean the document that cohen d pred was a smoking gun. here is what was going on. the president in the oval office was paying off cohen and hiding the payments. w directing his son and the trump organization to pay him off. so this is the criminal bnspiracy that is being investigatedy the southern
district of new york, and it appears -- mnd certainlyichael cohen's testimony was that the president is directly implicandted. >>o do you think then that there's a case here for impeachment? do you support impeachment? >> well, we have to let the investigations play outi. ant to look at the robert mueller report. i want to look t is the southern district of new york find. i want to makeure oversight and judiciary have our hearing and hearing thend evidence a then we have to have everything on the table, but there are deep wrong doings that thi administration and this president have committed. now it is a matter of getting the reports and evaluating all of the evidence. >> what would be the tipping point for you to press for impeachment? >> well, for me it would be seeing whats in mueller's report and seeing what is in the southern district of new york's report, and also seeing the collection of evidence, and does that rise to high crimes and misdemeanors. and if it does, then we have a tyconstitutional o proceed.
but i think we owe it to the process to first look at the a report look at the evidence and not just make a decision based on our own assumptions. >> i would like to also ask your about north kea. you met yesterday in atlanta with former president jimmie carter, and carter, of course, once brokered an ahgreement wit kim jong-un's grandfather, kim il sung in the 1990s. what came out o your meeting with mr. carter. >> look, it was an honor of a lifetime. i went dn there, we s 30 minutes. let me tell you, president carter is brilliant and lucid. he talked about how he had negotiated a framework, a 12-point framework with kim jong-un's grandfather. a i thesked him. i said, president carter, who can i follow up with in thert center or experts to understand what this framework is? he started laughing and he said, well, me. i'm the only one whonows all of the details. so we're going to be following up. weant to g his wisdom. i mean he's probably the only american who hasctually met
kim jong-un's grandfather, who was very popular in north korea, and i have met with people in ghe administration and i'm encourag them to seek president carter's counsel and involvement. as your viewers may kn president carter actually was on a submarine during the koreanli coct. ending this conflict is a huge legacy issue for him. >> and i think you had gotten a ldmmitment from former president carter that he w actually go to north korea if president trump wanted himd to be invol in the negotiations. what are the chances that president trump uld even invite a former democratic president on something like that? >> i think it would be -- behoove president trump to takec presidenter up on his offer. president carter said he does no international travel anymoor, butorth korea he would be willing to make an exception. look, president trump would get d e credit at the the day if there was a deal struck in north korea. i belieou president carterld really help the negotiation team
achieve that d so i am going to be making the case to this president that he should engage president carter. di share presit carter's view. president carter said, i disagree with 99%f what president trump is doing from a policy perspective, but othn nor korea engagement is the right strategy. wants to as a american support that effort. >> you are a co-sponsor of a resolutionnalling ohe trump administration to work on a final peace setsmetlement of the korean war, but just this week e are seeing satellite images highlighting north korea rebuilding a rocket launch station it had dismantled. you are pushing diplomacy, but d williplomacy work with a dictator prone to very provocative hbehavior, never given inspectors a full accounting of his nuclear llogram? >> i think it . i think the strategic mistake the president made was taking john bolton to north korea. john bolton has beenrying to kill any agreement since the
early 2000s. p aftersident clinton actually almost resolved this issue with bill perry, who is in the bay area, bolton labeled north korea as part of the as of evil and scuttled the deal. some of the plans he was making beyond nuclear weapons to biological weapons, chemical ea ns, tanked the talk. oe obviously north korea's dictator, kim jong-un, is a terrible actor and't we c just trust him and it is a tough negotiation. but we have to have a step-by-step pro sis cess, a think that' b c rian>> ngere do you standn medicare for all? >> i'm for it. a med car fall would cost $32 trillion. it would safe the country 72 ri ion. for most people watching, instead of paying $4,000 or $3,000 for premiums, they would
pay $1,000 as a fee. it would save money and provide bett coverage. >> as you know, there are conflicting studies on how much the cost would be, whether there would be a savings or medicare for all would cost more. but polls dohow that most people, around 80% are satisfied with their health care. so why even go this route? why is there a need for it? >> well they would still get to keep their doctors. now what would happen is they just won't be paying as much for theirum premi what most people, i believe, are concerned about, the cost. what they want to do is they want to be able to see their own doctors. they want to be able to kp their own health care providers, and that would remain the same, but they wld now not being fleeced by insurance companies and you wouldn't have aetna ceo making $50 million. instead, that money would be goingnto the pocke of ordinary americans. >> progressives are also supportive of a green new deal.a youe been an outspoken supporter of that, calling climate change a national security threat.
it plays well in states lik california, but what about other states, red-leaning states like west virgini and texas? how will you convince them? thesere states that rely heavily on coal and the oil industry. >> it ilays also welln iowa. iowa is almost 80% renewable ene gy by the middle of decade, that's their goal. they have huge wind and solar energy. so i think the call f renewable plays well in many states, not just california. i have been to west virgi twice, to beckly, west virginia, a huntington west virginia, talking about how we bring technology jobs there, new i dustry there. uld say a couple of things. one, the international climate -- panel for climate zero says we need emission energy. that means you could still have some carbon, but that carbon eds to havebon capture to be zero emission. so there will be still jobs in the coal industry but think would be jobs that are zero emissions. secondly, we need diversification in west ndrginia. they need tostand that
they have more choices than just industry, ional coal and we need to do a better job of bringing new industry, new opportunities in those communities. >> all. right congressman joining us via skype from washington, d.c. we appreci.e your ti >> thank you so much. thanks for having me back on. now to tech news. on wednesdayacebook o mark zuckerberg announced a major shift in the company strateg the new cornerstone now will be y. he said in a blog post, quote, a privacy focused communications more will become even important than today's open platforms. e comes after a rough year for facebook following the cambridge analytica data breach the ther scandals over how tech giant handles user information and helps spread disinformation. meanwhile, the ride-sharing company lyft files paperwork to becomeom publicpany last week with a v5uation of $1 billion. and mor trouble for tesla. the electric car company is facing real competition, meeding iway, and it is
seeing itsket shares tumble. here with the week's tech round up are san francisco bureau chief for market watch, jerem owens, and mike isaac, .echnology reporter for "the new york time nice to have both of you back here. >> thanks for having us. >> mike, let's start withce book. mark zuckerberg says instead of encouragingublic post, he will focus on private and encrypted posts on what's app and instagra how big a shift is this for the social medias a whole, because it has nearlyrs 3 billion use worldwide. >> it is funny. i think it is kind of an admission from zuckerberg of whea people are a doing right now basically. for the past, you know,5 years since facebook became, you know, came to the world, he's been sort of espousing this public view of how people interact with each other and, you know, everytng will be open a more connected. but i think, you know, for the past five yea at least folks are starting to realize not all of our interactiould be
public. >> nor should they stay online forever. >> impactlextly. snapchat showed us we don't necessarily want tweets to show up going for a job interview somewhere down the line. so i think people started to ar move tds this private model of sharing over the past, you know, five taro seven ye and he's really starting to build more products around that method of sharing. >> but the way that facebook makes money it makes billions of dollars a year primarily through targeted ads based on its vast wealth of data about its users. so ow would a new private, encrypted system, jeremy, affect the company's bottom line? >> they still would beble to see what people are -- who people are and kind of what they're doing. they just wouldn'teally be able to see the content they're actually sharing. it would -- they would be able to target people bn who they are. they just wouldn't have as you have information on what they're doing on their site. so it wouldn't really break their business model. to be su it is a question of how are they going to make more
money off of this if they're going to lose any money off the core facebook, right. they'veed what's app for years, they have not made any money off of i yet. they haven't shown they can make money o ivate, encrypted information from their users. that's what he has to answer once he gets more specific about what it is, instead of the generalities he gave this week. >> i read hess blog post and he alluded to a new system whe users can pay for items on facebook platform. is it perhaps a new revenue stream, some kind of cryptocurrency t may be developing? >> right now, as you guys said, a lot of the post was pretty ag , but they have new, emerging categories. onere's a thing called marketplacfacebook, which is essentially craig's list for facebook. what zuckerberg had described is, you know, people want to buy -- buy and sell goods on al therthe time, but they don't really have an elegant way to do that on the plam.
so maybe in the future there will be a fabook-based pment system that i could sell you my tv through facebook instead, he wants more of that commerce to come on to the platform whery tan potentially take a cut of that at some point. ,> facebook already has a payment systemight? like you can pay people through messenger. they actually do let you pay through the platform, just nobody rlly does , right? it is the only part of their revenue that has declined over the pastears whiledvertising revenue has gone up, payments revenue has actually gone down over the last ye >> it sounds like he almost might be trying to do something like we chat, the v chinasion of we chat. >> right. and we chat is not en but there is a lot more of one-to-one private ublic on weons than chat, which is huge in china. >> right, and on that you can do messagi, you can pay for stuff, order takeout. >> yes, you can make reservations. it is like a one-stop platform, right. i'm sure facebook would love to be tt one-stop atform, but they would love to do that five
to seven years ago and they haven't been able to do it so far with everything they put in there. >> much moreo come because, you're right, the blog post had few details on how and when. let's switch gears to ipos. which companing are we loo at, jeremy? >> lyft is the big one since that's the only one with a public filing so far. we heard airbnb is in the pipeline, uber has announced ey e going to be in the pipeline. a lot of companies are coming. >> slack inteotst. >> it isn ipo. they will do a direct listing did.spoti they're not raising money at this point, is what they're planning for. lyft is the b one right now because it has gotten there first. ipos were frozen with the wvernment shutdoh the first quarter, so we've been expecting a parade o large startup unicorns for months now, and it was delayed dland. now have lyft in the pipeline about to start its road ss. it will sell shares by the end
of the month. >> mike, it shows nowhere close to profitability. in fact it lost more than dwlr 9 million last year. same picture for uber lt year. why is there so much excitement around these companies? >> i think the silicon valley maxim of if you build the user base theey will come at some point. it stuck around for a long time. one thing tpa other cnies are signaling is there's probably not going to be profitability in the near term and so investors sort of have to learn kind ofikezon has treated the public markets over the years, which is, you know, we're not a profitable company,n we'r going to be profitable any time soon, but if you trust us eventually we can get to a point where we start t that money over. >> and we'll show revenue growth the entire time. that's what d amazonid. yes, we're not that profitable but we continue to grow our sales incredibly. that is what uber and lifyft ar saying. they can say, once we can get
rid of the drivers we would be fitable. i don't know if they would say it publicly, but that's the truth. when autonomous driving becomes a reality, it will become profitable. >> well, also on the subject of transportation, tesla's model y, its first compact suv, will be unveiled next week but the company's troubleare mounting, jeremy. >> yes. it is total stress at that company right now. next week thewill introduce the model y. earlier in the week elon musk has to ansr the sec to a judge. the sec wants to knock him for his twitter habits once again, right? >> yes. >> and last week they bthught model 3 down to $35,000, which they promised three years before they finally got there, but to do it they had to layoff bunch of employees and close all of their stores. that's the third round of lay-offs in less tha year at tesla. >> it is a saga. >> stress at that coany. >> mike, the tech boom has been on a long run now. people keep sbuing it is a st, it is imminent, it is coming. give us some perspective on thre.
what your thoughts and where in the continuum are we for this tech boom? >> i think right now you are -- the reason you are seeing a bunch of ipos com g right now is because everyone is essentially waiting for the eparty tond. there's sort of a fear a recession is coming, that people are going to stop spendingey at some point. so my guess is 201 will be public after public company going public, andhen by 2020 we will have to see where we net out. >> yes, we areg seein revenue growth slow down for a lot of the big public companies like apple. we saw apple have the big fall at the beginning this year. that is showing a lot of the tech companies are having trouble continuing the growth rates and that's where the ipos come in. >>ll right. jeremy owens and mik is thank you both. >> thanks for hing me. today women around the world are marking international women's day. inhean francisco t's a pop-up art eveel crating women as well as the struggles they faced from wage inequality
to harassment. it is called that lady thing, but it is not your typical art gallery or museum. here visitors can explore what toxic masculinity smells like or try to scale a corporate climbing wall. the exhibit's organizers are hoping it will spark candid elnversations about women's issues one se at a time. joining me now is jamie shaw, the creative director of that lady thing, and sop foster, a junior at bentley high school in lafayette who has become ate ambassador of sorts for that lady thing. welcome to you both. >> thank you. >> thanks for having us. >> jamie, think a lot of people are familiar with pop-ups like the museum of ice cream, forxample. estalk my daughter to that. how would youcribe that lady thing? what makes it different? >> well, that lady thing didn't set out to be a p-up museum. the idea was born a year ago today on international women's day, a group of women that i worked with at angency wanted to make a statement to show off our creative talents and to ad ess the issues at the same time. and while we bandied about a lof
ideas, someone made the comment that it is really hard to break through and to get noticed when so much of the attention today is in soc media and people are doing things like going to selfie museums. so we were aware of that as something to sortf compete with in terms of breaking through, and that then unlockede the cative idea, which was what if we made our own? what if we made our r owneally colorful, really graphic, shareable sort of ss of sets, but embedded these messages, these more substantive, serious messages. >> describe some of the exhibits you have, and you have become instagram friendly. >> we started with visual puns, these silly metaphors for the issues we wanted to tackle, which were the wage gap, women in leadership, harassment and objectionive indicati objectification and the whole me too movement. sort of what the symbolism of that would be in a single that you could share, what would it be?
the corporate climb, for example, ouaux climbing wall is about how few women make it to c level positions, stillnly 5% women at the top. >> and the gender pay gap, have you women grabbing bills flying around. >> we created money grab machine like you would have seen ,n an old-time game show. of course we are fully aware the images are creative and proktive. having women jump at dollar bills is provocative for a number of reasons but that's the point and the ton. >> sophie, last year it was open to 21 and older, b you reach out to jamie and said, hey, you should let younger women in, too. starting tees sunday,ns 14 and older will be able to attend. good job on that. >> are you and your friends encountering tome ofhe things being raised in. >> yes, we are. it such a big focus in o school. we have co-ed schools so there's
boys and girls. as womenders we face obstacles in trying to get ahead. my friends and i, we all support one another, but there are still some nuances we all face in the world fr world. you know, i attended a summit in sydy a couple of months ago, which was an incredible experience, and i met amazing g women and some young men, and they all come fromery fferent background, very different places, but we all have similar struggles in what we face as leade >> jamie, for you are there specific issues that spoke to you and really inspi red you to put on this exhibit? >> i think for mnd what stas out the most is sort of everyday gender bias andhat an hr department might call micro aggression.ow you society at large understands that it is not "mad men" anymore we can't treat women overtly in the ways that we did not so long ago, but there's still lotsf all ways. the wage gap is a perfect example.
there's a lot of business leaders who have pure intent and really believe that they're, you know, leading an egalitarian workplace, but bause of sort of subliminal kinds of messaging from culture, that'lys not usual the case. it takes work. >> you see it here in the tech cuure as well, right? there's the complaints about the pipeline issue and there will be those who argue it is not a pipeline iss yue,ou're just not bothering to look hard enough. and with all of these exhibit goes though, some people might say that this is a vapid approach to some very important issues of our time. what are your thoughts on that? >> i'm really firm that that's -- that's not giving attention to what we're saying. we've obviously wrapped up the suals in something that masquerades as being vapid and that's part of the creative tension we created. we said, look over here, look at s colorful thing, this shiny object, and when you look closely at it thereng's somet there that's very substantive
and in some cases quite sub versive. i think it has been a strength, not a weakness. had we made something that just, you know, presented itself as very earnest, kind of woman empowerment messaging, i think it would sort of blend in with a lot of other platitudes. so this was a way to get attention. >> sophie, h has this whole experience being involved with that lady thing inspired yound shapes your thinking around feminism? >> yes, it has really been anr inible experience because i think that what jamie has so eloquently done is that she has approached it in manner where everyone can have this conversation of feminism and women and young women leaders in a palatable manner. so i think that approaching ith ng a selfie pop-up museum is an incredible way to do that. s >> and aks to your generation. >> exactly. so that people instead of posting th, oh, i just went to safeway and, you know, i gots starbucyou can say, hey, i just went to that lady thing and had an amazing conversation with
really incredible people who are supporting women. >> what exhibits are you most interested in checkelg out? >> i'm so excited about checking out all of them. think one of my favorites is definitely the corporate climb, because it can relate to corporatearlimb as it is h to get to the top, but also just being a young woman it is hard to put yourself out there. you're reaching, you're constantly reaching, but what is really great is i have a co-leader, elia, and we're hing together which is amazing. >> jamie, what kind of messages that go along with the posts yos areeeing once people go to that lady thing? do you think that your themes and the social activism you are trying to push are getting rough? >> i do. the first time we did this, it was a one-night activation and that's all it was intended to be. we did it as an experiment to see what would happen. a we havnarrative, like a museum-style plaque that accompanies each exhibit and it has a statisticofnd sort you know, a little bit of a
themateic to the visual. we did it to see if women would take the colorfrul photo o take the piece and share it out. lnd they did by and large. not only wil the women share sort of the point, but also expand on it and put their own two cents. >> and for true equality to happen though, men need to be a part of the conversation. do you have plans to bring in as part of the installation? >> we do. this time for anyone who joined us theirst two ti you know, our exhibits really were designed to tell a woman's story. so if you put a man on the w climbingl it doesn't mean the same thing. we asked them to please stand back and respect that spa so we could share the images that meant something about women. but tt was problematic. there were men that showed up, they wanted to participate, we nt them in the cosation, they have to be in the conversation. now we added seven new exhibits which all have a rating. this is for all to enjoy and some say please reserve this one for women. >> fantastic. i know you have plans to take this perhaps to other cities. sophie, i want to ask you what
youanted to do in theuture. what did you say? >> i want to run for president. >> there you go. you hrd it h first on our program. sophie foster and jamie shaw thing.hat lady thank you so much. >> thank you. >> thanks for having us. ks off that lady thing kic today at the phoenix hotel in san francisco and runs through sunday. heyou can buy tickets at door or online at thatladything.com. proceeds will benefit the national women's law center. that will do it for us. as always you can findore of our conversation at kqed.com.m/newr i'm thuy vu. thank for joining us. ♪
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