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. ♪ tonight on "kqed newsroom" ate house widens its investn into president trump while new concerns emerge about north korea's nuclear program. we will talk with a local congressman who plays aey role on both issues. and facebook's about face. mark zuckerberg says the company's core focus will be private communications. we'll discuss that plus the ipo race among some of the b area's biggest tech companies. and feminism meets pop-ups. we will preview annstagram ready art event that sparks selfies and conversations about struggles women face. hello and welcomeed to newsroom, i'm thuy vu. democrats lawmakers inclung several from the bay area are
continuing to push for investigations int president trump. this year they september81 letters requesting documents as it investigates possible corruption. the house oversight committee asked for documents concerning the security clearances of the president's son-in-law, jared kushnewhr. ile, days after u.s. talks with north korea abruptly ended, new evidence emerged showing north korea is u rampingp its missile program. joining us now via skypem wug d.c. -- washington, d.c. congressman from silicon program. nice to have you on the program. >> nice to be back on. >> i want to ask you about first of all about the paul manafort sentencing. is president trump's campaign chair, sentenced to nearly four years in prison. much less than the 19 to 24-year prison term prosecutors sought. what is your reaction to that in. >> well, it seems like there are
two scales of justice, one f people who are poor or minorities who get lked up for a decade and another for folks that commit financial crimes or white collar crimes like manafort. ccobviously i don't haves to all of the evidence and the transcript, but on its face it seems that manafort's crimes would justify a longer sentence. >> ooand i would like to ask yo ttee the over sight commi hearing that happened last week that happened with michael cohen testifying. you a pked some veryointed questions during that hearing. do you think that the president has i engagedn fraud and criminal conspiracy? >> it certainly appearsio. ean the document that cohen provided was a smoking gun. her ge is what wasng on. the president in the oval office was paying off cohen and hiding the payments. he was directing his son and the trump organization to pay him off. o this is the criminal
conspiracy that is being investigated by the southern district of new yot, and i appears -- and certainly michael cohen's testimony was that the d prt is directly implicated. >> and so do you think then that there's a cas here for impeachment? do you support impeachment? >> well, we have to let the investigations play o. i want to look at the robert k eller report. i want to loo what is the southern district of new york find. i want to make sure oversight and judiciary have our hearing and hearing t a evidencnd then we have to have everything on the table, but there are deep wrong doings that ts administration and this president have committed. now it is a matter of getting the reports and evaluating all of the evidence. >> what wld be the tng point for you to press for impeacllent? >> for me it would be seeing what is in mueller's report a seeing what i in the southern district of new york's report, and also sg the collection of evidence, and does that rise to high crimes and misdemeanors. and if it does, then we have a
constitutiona to proceed. but i think we owe it to the process to first look at the reports and look at the evidence and not just make a decision based on our ownssumptions. >> i would like to also ask you about north korea. you met yesterday in atlan with former president jimmie carter, and carter, of course, once brokered an agreement with kim jong-un's grandfather, kim il sung in the 1990s. what came outf your meeting with mr. carter. >> look, it was an honor of a lifetime. i went down there, we spent 30 minutes. let me tel yo president carter is brilliant and lucid. he talked a hut how head negotiated a framework, a 12-point framework with kim jong-un's grandfather. i then asked him. i said, presidentcarter, who can i follow up with in the carter center or experts to un frstand what thiramework is? he started laughing and he said, well, me. i'm the only one who knows all of the details. so we're going to be following up. we want to get his wisdom. i mean he's pbably thenly
american who has actually met kim jong-un's grandfather, who was very popular in north korea, and i have met with people in the administration and i'm encouraging them to seek presidentca rter's counsel and involvement. as your viewers may ow, president carter actually was on a submarine during the korean conflict. ending this conflict is a huge lecy issue for him. >> and i think you had gotten a commitment from former president carter that he would actually gk to nororea if president trump wanted him to be involved in the negotiations. what are the chances that president trump would even invite a former democrati president on something like that? >> i think it would be -- behoove president trump to take president carter up on his offer. president cter said h does no international travel anymore, but for north korea he would be willing to make an exction. look, president trump would get the credit at the end of the day if there was a deal struck i north korea. i believe president carter could
really help t negotiationm achieve that deal. so i am going to be making t case to this president that he should engage president carter. i share presient carter's view. president carter said, i disagree with 99% of what m a ident trump is doing fro policy perspective, but on north korea engagement is the right strategy. he wants to as an american support that effort. >> you are a co-sponsor of a resolution calling on the trump administration to work on a final peace setsme tlement of t korean war, but just this week we are seeing satellite images highlighting north korea rebuilding aket launch station it had dismantled. you are pushing diplomacy, but will diplomacy work with a ctator proneo very provocative behavior, has never given inspectors a f accounting of his nuclear program? >> i think it will. i think the strategic mistake the president made was taking john bolton to north korea. john bolton haseen trying to
kill any agreement since the early 2000s. after president clinton actually almostesolved this i with bill perry, who is in the bay area, bolton labeledorth korea as part of the axis of evil andl scuted the deal. some of the plans he was making beyond nuclear weapoo biological weapons, chemical w pons, tanked the talk. oe -uviously north korea's dictator, kim jo is a terrible actor and we can't just trust him and it is a tou negotiation. but we have to have a step-by-step pro sicess, and i think that's what president an carterring to it. >> where do you stand on or medicare all? >> i'm for it. a med car fall would cost $32 trillion. it would safe the country 72 trillion. for most people watching, instead of paying $4,000 or
$3,000 for premiums, they would pay $1,000 as a fee. it would save money and provide better coverage.kn >> as you, there are conflicting studies on how much the cost would be, whether there would be a savin or medice for all would cost more. but polls do show thatt people, around 80% are satisfied with their health care. so why even go this route? whyees there ad for it? >> well, and they would still get to keep their doctors. w what would hn is they just won't be paying as much for their premiums. iwhat most people believe, are concerned about, the cost. what they want to do is they want teebe able to s their own doctors. they want to be able to keep their own hlth care priders, and that would remain the same, but they would now not being fleeced by insurance companies and you wouldn't have aetna ceo making $50 million. instead, that money wld be going into the pockets of ordinarymericans. >> progressives are also supportive of a green new deal. you have been a outspoken supporter of that, calling climate change a national
security threat. it plays well in states like california, but o what abouter states, red-leaning states like west virginia and texas? how will you convincehem? these are states that rely heavily on coal and the o ndustry. >> it plays also well in iowa. iowa is almost 80% renewable energy by the middle of the decade, thate their goal. have huge wind and solar energy. so i think the call for renewable playsell in many states, not just california. i have been to west virginia twice, to beckly, west virginia, and huntington, west virginia, talking about how we bring teernology jobs the, new industry there. i would say a couple of ts. one, the international climate -- panel for climate change says we need zero emission ehanergy. means you could still have some carbon, but that carbon needs to have carbon capture to be zero emission. so there will be still jobs in the coa industry but think would be jobs that are zero issions. secondly, we need diversification in west
virginia. they need to understand that they have more choices than just the traditional coal industry, and we need to do a better job of bringing new indust, new opportunities in those communities. >> all right. congressman joi us via skype from washington, d.c. we appreciate your time. m> thank you souch. thanks for having me back on. now to tech news. on wednesday facebook ceo mark major erg announced a shift in the company strategy. the new cornerstone now will be privacy. he said qu a blog post, e, a privacy focused communications platform will become even more important than today's open platforms. the move comes after a rough year foracebook folwing the cambridge analytica data breach and other scandals over how the tech giant handles user information and helps spread disinformation. meanwhile, the ride-sharing company lyft files paperwork to become a public company last it week wh a valuation of $15 billion. and more trouble for tesla.le the ectric car company is facingeal competion,
speeding its way, and it is seeing its market shares tumble. here with the week's tech round up are san francisco bureau chief for market watch, jeremy owensd mike isaac, technology reporter for "the new york times". nice to hav here. of you back >> thanks for having us. >> mike, let's start with facebook. mark zuckerberg saysf instead o encouraging public post, he will focus on private and encrypted posts on what's app and instagram. how big a shift is this for the social media as a whol because id has nearly 3 billion users worl >> it is funny. i think it is kind of an admission from zuckerberg of what people are already doing right now basically. for the past, you know, 15 years since facebook became, you know, came to thee' world,s been sort of espousing this public view of how people interact with each other and, you know, everything will be open and more connected. but i think, you know, for the past five years at leas t folks are starting to realize not all
of our interaction should be public. >> nor should they stay online forever. >> impactlexactly. snapchat showed us we don't necessarily want tweets to show up going for a job interview somewhere down the line. so i think people started to model wards this priva of sharing over the past, you know, five to seven years, and 's really starting to build more products arod that method of sharing. >> but the way that facebook makes money is itil makeslions of dollars a year primarily through targeted ads based on its vast wealth of data about itssers. so how would a new private, encrypted system, jeremy, affect the company's bottom line? > they still would be able to see what people are -- who people are and kind of wha. they're doi they just wouldn't really be able to see the content they're actually sharing. ou would -- theyld be able to target people based on who they are. they just wouldn't have as y have information on what they're doing on their site. so it wouldn't really break es their buss model. to be sure, it is a question of
how are they going to make more money off of this and if they're going to lose any money off the core facebook, right. thy've owned what's app for years, they have not madeny money off of it yet. they haven't shown they can make money off private, encrypted information from their users.ha s what he has to answer once he gets more specific about what it is, instead of the generalities he gave this week. >> i read hes blog post and he alluded to a new system where users can pay for items on facebook platform. is it perhaps a new revenue stream, some kind of cryptocurrency they may be developing? >> right now, as you guys said, atot of the pos was pretty vague, but they have new, emerging categories. ere's a thing called marketplace on facebook, which is essentially craig's lis for facebook. what zuckerberg had described is, you know, people want to buy buy and sell goods on there all the time, but they don't really have an elegant way
to dhe that on platform. so maybe in the future there e will b facebook-based payment system that i could sell you my tv throughebook instead, and he wants more of that commerce to come on to the platform where they can potentially take a cut kf that at some point. >> faceblready has a payment system, right? like you can pay people through messenger. they actually do let you pay through the platform, jt nobody really does it, right? it is the only part of their revenue that hve declinedr the past years while advertisine nue has gone up, payments revenue has actually gone down over the last years. >> it sounds l aike helmost might be trying to do something like we chat, the china version of we chat. >> right. and we chat is not encrypted, but there is a lot more of o-one private communications than public on we chat, which is huge in china. >> right, and o that youan do messaging, you can pay for stuff, order takeout. >> yes, you can mak reservations. it is like a one-stop platform, right. i'e sure facebook would l to be that one-stop platform, but they would love to do that five
to seven years ago and they haven't been able to do it so far with everything they put in uchere. >> more to come because, you're right, the blog post had few details on how and when. let's switch gears to ipos. which companies are we looking at, jeremy >> lyft is the big one since that's the only one with a far.c filing so we heard airbnb is in the pipeline, uber has announced they're going to be in e pipeline. a lot of companies are coming. >> slack interest. >> it is not an ipo. they will do a direct listing like spotify did. they're not raisingoney at this point, is what they're planning for. ht now the big one rig because it has gotten there first. ipos were trozen wit government shutdown with the first quarter, so we've been expeing a parade of large startup unicorns for months now, and it was delayed dland. now we have lyft in the pipeline elout to start its road shares.
it will s shares by the end tf the month. >> mike, i shows nowhere close to profitability. in factt l more than dwlr 9 million last year. same picture for uber last year. why is there so much excitement around the i companies? hink the silicon valley maxim of if you build the user base the money willeome at som point. it stuck around for a long time. one thing the other companies li are sig is there's probably not going to be profitability in the near term, and so investors sort of have to learn kind of like amazon has treated the public markets over the years, which is, you know, we're not a proble company, we're not going to be profitable any time soon, but if you trust eventually we can get to a point where we start turning that money over. >> and we'll show revenue growth the entire tim that's what amazon did. yes, we're not that profitable but we contiure to grow sales incredibly. that is what uber and lifyft ar
sayingsa they can once we can get rid of the drivers we would be profitable. i don't know i they would say it publicly, but that's the honest truth. when autonomous driving becomes a reality, ite will becom profitable. >> well, also on the subject of transportation,odesla's mel y, its first compact suv, will be unveiled next week but the company's troubles are mounting, jeremy. >> s. it is total stress at that company right now. next week they will introduce theodel y. earlier in the week elon musk has to answer the sec to a judge. the sec wants to knock him for his twitter habits once again, right?ye >> >> and last week they brought the model 3 down to $35,000, whrsh they promised three y before they finally got there, but to do it they had to layoff a bunch of eloyees and clo all of their stores. that's the third round of lay-offs in less than a year at tesla. >> it is a saga. >> stress at that company. >> mike, the tec boom has been on a long run now. people keep saying it is a bust, it is imnent, it is coming.
give us some perspective on this. what are your thoughts and where in the continuum are we for this tech boom? >> i think right now you are -- the reason you are seeing a bunch of ipos coming right now isecause everyone essentially waiting for the orty to end. there's so a fear a recession is coming, that people pe going to stop spending money at soment. so my guess is 2019 will be public after public company going public, and then by 2020 we will have to see where we net out. >> yes, we are seeing revenue growth slow down for a lot of ub the big pc companies like apple. we saw apple have the big fall at the beginning of this year. that is showing a lot of the tech companies are having trouble connuing the growth rates and that's where the ipos come in. >> all right. jeremy owens and mike isaac, u thank both. >> thanks for having me. today women around the world are marking international women's day. in san francisco there's a pop-up art event celebrating n womeas well as the struggles they faced from wage inequality
to harassment. it is called that lady thing, ot but it is your typical art gallery or museum. here visitors can explore what toxiic masculnity smells like or to scale a corporate climbing wall. the exhibit's organizers are hoping it will spark candid conversatibout women's issues one selfie at a time. joining me now is jamie shaw, thereative director of that er, thing,, and sophie fost a junior at bentley high school in lafayette who has become a teen ambassador of sorts for that lady thing. welcome to you both. >> thank s you. >> thar having us. >> jamie, i think a lot of people are familiar with pop-ups like the museum of ice cream, for example. ghi talk my daur to that. how would you describe that lady thing? what makes it different? >> well, that ladyng didn't set out to be a pop-up museum. the idea was born a year ago y todan international women's day, a group of women that i worked with at an agency wan to make a statement to show off our creative talents and to address the issues at the same
time. and while we bandied about a lot of ideas, someone made the comment that it is really hard to break through and to get noticed when so much of the attention tods in social media and people are doing things like going to selfie museums. so we were aware of that as something to sort of compete with in ter of breaking through, and that then unlocked the creative ide, which was what if we made our own? what if we made our own really colorful, really graphic, shareable sort of series of ets, but embedded these messages, these more substantive, serious messages. >> describe some of the exhibits you have, and you have become instag >> we started with visual puns, these silly metaphors for the issues w wanted to tackle, which were the wage gap, women in leadership, harassment objectionive indicati objectification and the whole me too movement. sort of what the symbolism of that would be in a single image
that you could share, what would it be? the corpora climb, for example, our faux climbing wall is about how few womenake it to c level positions, still only he5% women attop. >> and the gender pay gap, have you women grabbing bills flying around. >> we created a money grab machine like you would have seen in an old-tiame show. of course, we are fully aware the images are creative and prok. having women jump at dollar bills is a ovocative fo number of reasons but that's the ,oint and the tension. >> sophieast year it was open to 21 and older, but you reached out to jamie and said, hey, you should let younger women in,o. to starting this sunday, teens 14 and older will be able to attend.n good jobthat. >> thank you. >> are you and your friends encountering some of the things being raised in. >> yes, we are. it is such a big focus in our
school. h e co-ed schools so there's boys and girls. as women leaders we face obstacles in trying to get ahead. my friends and i, we all suppore one an but there are still some nuances we all face in the world fr world. you know, i attended a summit in sydney a coupl of monthsago, which was an incredible experience, and i met amazing young women and some young me and they all come from very different background, very different places, but we all have sim struggles in what we face as leaders. >> mie, for y are there specific issues that spoke to you and really inspired you to putn this exhibit? >> i think for me what stands out the mos is sort of everyday gender bias and what an hr department might call micro aggression. you know, society at large understands that it is n "mad men" anymore. we can't treat women overtly in the ways that we did not so long ago, but there's still lots of small ways. g
the wageap is a perfect example. there's a lot of business leavaders whoe pure intent and really believe that they're, you know, lding an egalitarian workplace, but because of sort of subliminal kinds of messa from culture, that's not usually the case. it takes work. >> heu see it here in tech culture as well, right? there's the complaints about the pipeline issue there will be those who argue it is not a pipeline issue, you're jt not bothering to look hard enough. and with all of these exhibit goes thoughe some peo might say that this is a vapid approach t some veryortant issues of our time. what are your thoughts on that? >> i'm really fm that that's -- that's not givingat ention to what we're saying. we've obviously wrapped up the visuals in something that masquerades as being vapid and that's part oivf the create tension we created. we said, look over here, look at this coloul thing,his shiny object, and when you look closely at it there's something
there tt's very substantive and in some cases quite sub versive. i think it has beengn a stre, not a weakness. had we made something that just, you know,resented itself as very earnest, kind of woman empowerment meaging, i t it would sort of blend in with a lot of other platitude o this was a way to get attention. >> sophie, how hasle this who experience being involved with that lady thing inspired you and shapes your thinking around feminism?ea >> yes, it hasy been an incredible experience because i think that what jamie has so elhauently done ist she has approached it in a manner where everyone can have this conversation of feminism and women and young women leaders in a palatable manner. so i think that approaching it, having a selfi po museum is an incredible way to do that. >> and it speaks toour generation. >> exactly. so that people instead of posting things, oh, i just went to safeway and, you know, i got starbucks, you can say, hey, i just went to that lady thing and
had an amazingversation with really incredible people who are supporting women. >> what exhibits are you most interested in checking out? >> well, i'm so excited about checking out all of them. heink one of my favorites is definitely t corporate climb, because it can relate to corporate climb as it is hard to get to the but also just being a young woman it is hard to put yrself out there. you're reaching, you're constantly reaching, but what ia y great is i have a co-leader, elia, and we're reaching together which is amazing. >> jamie, what kind of messagesw that go aloh the posts you are seeing once people go to that lady thing? do you think that your themes and the social activism you are trying to push are getting through? >> i do. the first time we did this, it was a one-night activation and that's all it dewas inten to be. we did it as an experiment to see what would happen. we have a narrative, like a museum-style plaque that accompanies each exhibit and it has ast statiic and sort of, you know, a little b of a
themateic tohe visual. we did it to see if women would take the colorful photo or takee the and share it out. and they did by and large. not only will the women sort of the point, but also expand oit and put thewn two cents. >> and for true equality toen ha though, men need to be a part of the conversation. do you have plans to bring men in as part of the installation? >> we do. this time f j anyone woined us the first two times, you now, our exhibits really were designed to tell a woman's story. so if you put a man on the climbing wall it doesn't the same thing. we asked them to please stand back and respect that space so we could share t the imaget meant something about women. but that was problematic. there were men that showed up, they wanted to participate, we want them in the conversationbe they have tn the conversation. now we added seven new exhibits which all have a rating. this is for all to enjoy and some say please reserve this one for women. >> fantastic. i know you have plans to take this perhaps to other cities.
sophie, i want to ask you what you wanted to do in the future.? what did you s >> i want to run for president. >> there you go. you heard it here first on opr ram. sophie foster and jamie shaw with that lady thing. thank you so much. >> thank you. >> thanks for having us. >> and that lady thing kicks off today at the phoenix hotel in san francisco and runs through sunday. you can buy tickets at the door or online at thatladything.com. proceeds will benefit the national womence law nter. that will do it for us. as always you can find more of our conversation at kqed.com/newroom. i'm thuy vu. thank for joining us. ♪ ca
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