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tonight, governor newsome's reprieve for death row inmates sparks debate and a college admission scandal rocks the higher education landscape. san francisco's newfe public ers shares his goals and priorities for the job. plus, a new book offers a chilling look at howom tech nies are stripping the details of our lives not only foror profit but control over our behavio hello and welcome. we begin with two major stories this week. on wednesda governor newsome signed an order halting execution for as long as he is in office. california currently has more than 700 inmates on death row. more than any other state. governor says he cig not off an executing hundreds ofin
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human begs knowing there might innocent people amo them. the decision won praise from activists critics call the move an abuse of. power meanwhile, in other major developments this week, a number of californians including actresses and prominent business figures are among the mo40 than eople charged in a widespread college admission scam. parents allegedly bribed athletic coaches or paid people to cheat on college entrance exs to get the kids into top schools. joining us to discuss the stories are scoschaeffer, senior editor of california politics and golirnment. repan political consultant shawn walsh of wilson walsh consulting and jill tucker, "son francisco cle" education reporter. welcome to you all. >> thank you. >> jill, the college admission scandal has roots here in northern california. the bribes, many were funneled through a foundation based in sacramento. can you tell us what happened with the $20 million that that foundation took in?
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where did it go? >> $25 million. it wen not toward nonprofit good will and programs for underprivileged kids as the nonprofitclaimed. it actually went to funnel to coaches and other peop at universities to help wealthy and actresses, doctors, ceos, get theirids into the college of their choice. you looked through the tax documents. one said th made donations to friends of cambodia. >> yes. and we never heard of these taeople. we cly have never gotten a dime. we haven't identified really any of the money funneling toward charitable cauor causeshelping disadvantaged youth. it seems that all that money helped advantaged yoth and eir parents and the people like mr. singer who was arrested d pleaded guilty.
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>> can we expect to see more? >> i think it's the tipf the iceberg. i think you'll see more issues. this is just around mr. singer. the professional college admittance business is big bucks. people are terrified. ucla had 130,000 applicants for 14,000 slots. they had 65,000 applicants for 4,000 slts. parare freaking out. our kids right now are waiting for letters in the mail right now. >> y both have seniors. >> yes. and it's a war. so when you hear a kid is not getting into cal ucla with a 4.0, they apply 2 to skills. it is a self whipping up issue. this is why it touched on llions of americans. >> you say it's a war. a lot of parents don'tave any artillery to fight that war, right? that srt paragrais part of the >> in a way, it is creating a level of parents who h doe means who hire professional sat
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guarantee. >> and there isom already political fallout from this, right, scott? senator ron widen on the finance committee said he will ppose ederal legislation to end tax breaks for college donations both beforele and w the donor's child is enrolled. how else might this play out politically? especially in the presidential abelection? >>olutely. i think you're already seeing the democratic party going to the left on l a of income and equality issues. i think this is going to give
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encouragement toe like elizabeth warren and bernie sanders and camilla talk about increasing taxes on corporates, on wealthy individuals. it's going to really -- ipe thi le will see this issue of inequality in a different way. this is sh an easy to understand issue. >> itffects so many eople, too. >> so offensive. >> to, you know, everyone. you have to think too, is this rely about the kids sore thor is about the parents? do they have to the yale on the car? do they have to say where their kids go to school? a lot of the kids didn't know this was on there. >> they better hope ey didn't know. >> well, yeah. what does it say about us as a c ty, right? in terms of the inequities that exist out there. this is something as you pointed out the parents have money to pay, it further perpetuates the
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inequities. hog. do we go about resolvi there are $100 mill donation from tech ceos and the iversities are turning them down on that. i think the billions airsn that buy a building, i have to buy a coach. so for a $500,000, i can get my kid into ucl -- or ucla or usc as opposed to $10o mil so in a way it's a bargain. where there is a will, there is a way. >> i think the large donations are still getting kids into college. > how do you level the play field? >> i think there are a lot of programs out there for these kids. i talked to a you woman today. she applied to 20 - more than 20 schools. she started prepping for the he s.a.t. whenas a freshman through a nonprofit program. she has worked so hard and, you know, to get in with, you know,
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low income family, public school. and she was deep offend bid this. but she is getting offers into college because she worked really,eally hard and supported by these programs and by these folks the community that's are working with these students to get them in. >> i think it's ironic. the outside influence of sports and athletics. these were not top tier sports. we're talking about the sailing pub. although iay water polo. it's not a top tier sport, crosse. so that is one issue. also affirmative action. you know, i think there are a lot offamilies, kids where it's -- they're first in the toamily to go school. from working class families or people of color, immigrants. and they get to the schools and belongel like they don't because they didn't earn it. >> you know? >> it's so>> ironic. nd it may not be the right fit for them. it's what their parents wanted for them but maybe not the right fit for them. >> is there evidence tat attending the selective colleges can lead to salaries down the
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line or person happiness? >> i think it matters a lot to somebody who comes from a working class family then it does om the kids ihese families. they already have a lot of advantages. you no he? i'm t sure what ishe added value, you know, of going to a o topnotch s >> i think it's the connections. it's getting hired. you know, if you're a yale graduate yushgs goin graduate, you're going to take a look at yale graduates coming up behind you. o think that networking definitely help these young people. there are studies that show, for example, only a very small percentage of the top 100 u.s. companies are r by ceos that graduated from ivy league schools. >> i'll tell you. i worked in the reagan and bus white houses and the top echelons of government at least in the past. if you got go to yale, princeton, or harvard pedigree, you're usually an assista
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secretary of state or defense. there is an advantage to those schools. >> in politiem and the su court. we've seen that. i have to move on to the deathy penanow, scott. that is the other big story this week. despite the fact that california voters have repeatedlyupheld the death penalty and in 2016 sped up execution, voted for that. so newsome promised to honor the will of the voters. what happened? >> inwell, i t obviously he iels deeply about this issue. he has had think in his career we saw this with same-sex marriage. he brke the law essentially. got reeled in by the courts. i think for him, he was looking t the reality of within the next few months of having to sign off on the lethal injection protocol. there were 25 people on death row whose appealsauere exed. i think he just personally didn't want to do that.
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now he's not first politician to do something a little different than he said he would when he got into officr on the ot hand this is never a top layer issue in the gubernatorial campaign. he has been against capital punishment for a long tme. it's not a shock, however if you're a crime victim family, you're unhappy. >> i wonder if -- i wonder if if the fak if it's aeprieve this is not permanent. the next governor can take that away. does that give him coverage to say this is my -- during myt m. i'm giving this reprieve. >> it could. the reality is that the ledeing cause oh on death row is old age. they're getting old. they're in their 60s and 70s a lot of them. yeah, it's hard to imagine given where the politics of california are goin that the ne governor is going to be tougher on capital punishment. andhe question might be on the 2020 ballot. there is already a move to do that. >> i want to get you in here. you were part of pete wilson's
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administration and crafting the death penalty policy during that time. what do you think of the i move? think it sends a message that the executive ignores the law of the land. and i wi tell you, on this issue, the death penalty, i have found this to be probably the mos dishonest public policy debate that happens from there are people that are heart felt and morally believe it is wrong on the death penalty issue and will do anything top that. and so you've seen this time and
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time again in the state of california where, you know, the ninth circuit judges arepa ionate about this or advocates are passionate about this. they thwart it. the u.s. supreme court yelled back and said stop this. you're abusing the justice system. so every time it's been thwarted and come back by the voters an done. this once again, not only d we have a repeal of the death penalty and a pport of death penalty and people rejected the appeal. >>the trend line is clear. the support for capital punishment is going down for decades. >> as in the case of same-sex marriage situation. so that raises the question that sometimes maybe a publi policy statement of this nature, it takes a while for public opinion and the courts to catch up. because wee saw s sex marriage eventually become the law of the land. >> i wouldrgue from a public policy perspective. s.e governor went out and used selective fa it costs billions of dollars to do the death penalty cases. yes, it does cost more.
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you think that people were putting death penalty issues on the daibasis. they're in the state of california on annual basis, it'e fluctuated the past 20 years between 2500 people who committed murders every year to 1800. of those cases, it's been between 8 and 20 that haveee given the death penalty. it is a very, very important public policy to for prosecutors to use to generally clear -- > he's not first governor to issue a moratorium. there are other governors on the west coast. 2 18 states banned capital punishment. >> i wonder if there is enough support for the death penalty to eate a groundswell to recall? >> i don't know. a we have to leave it there. jill tuck we the "san francisco chronicle," scott schaeffer with the k community and also shawn walsh, thank you for being here. >> thank you. now tocs local poli on monday, san francisco mayor appointed someone to serve as san francisco next public defender. he will replace hadachi who held
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the office since 2003 until his abrupt death last month at age 59. he has beenith the public defender's office for 11 years and had been managing his felony division. in a restatement, mayor praised him for his commitment to justice and equity and for continuing adachi's legacy. nice to you have here. >> thank you for having me. >> congratulations on your new position. how are you feeling? >> it's a lot in a short amount of time.bu the office has really been wonderful in their support of me andon direcng and continuing his legacy and expanding on it. a lot of vee community h been really positive about this development. i'm excited to move in a newec dion. >> and what was that new direction? what is the priorities? >> well, what is a new direction? jeff was someone who was always believed in a growth mindset. he always tried to really grow a our ndous depth with
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office. the first thing i need to do is meet with all of the other units. i have been th fell aony manage. we have so many different units. there is ati strong invtion and paralegal staff. there is a lot of information ve each unit imp in the office to best serve the citizens of san francisco. >> and your predecessor was also work that went beyond the public defender's office. he was a advocate for justice reform and pension reform in san francisco. therere certain issues beyond the walls of the public defender's office that really speak to you,hat you plan to be a vocal advocate for? >> yes. there are many areast but to go over a couple. increasing evidence that the brain is no fully developed until ages of 23 or 24 years old. yet, we're still treating youth as people who have fully formed brains. so expanding young adult areas where we can move young people into areas rather than
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incarcerion, further rehabilitation if there was a crime committed anmoving in a sitive direction so people can move into either the educational or job force areas without convictions on their records. >> and you also founding member of the groupl p defender's for racial justice. i imagine what you're talking about ties into that as iwell. is the group that advocates for selecting juries that are more representative the communities that they come from. that they're chosen wfrom. oes the issue of race play out today when you'rein defe your clients? >> it plays out in so many wayou to give a quick example, there is a trial that i was doing and the juror said, listen, i don't want to beis on jury. it doesn't look fair to this liry. you'ret is a young african young man from the bay view ando there is one who looks like him on this jury. there is no unwitvifrom the bay on this jury. i don't see how we can give this young man a fair trial in the
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whole audience started clapping in that moment. i think the residents of san francisco are aware r need greae ver greater diversity on the juries reflects our community. >> so what are some of the ways you go about accomplishing that? >> the first thing is collect the dat yachlt who a. we're going to ask the jury cmissioner and an initiative statewide that is pending no you to have jury commissioners collect the data. once they collect the data, then we can do moreo see how we can >>t fair juries. the. want to ask you about something else as well. your predecess had a tense relationship with the san francisco police department. there have been leaked reports about his death. this week the san francisco police officers union cutth tie with former president after he made inflamatory remarks about adachi's death on his facebook site. are you concerned about that adversarial relationship?
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how wouldou go about addressing it? adversarial relationshi is something that the american legal system is founded on. you want a public defender's office and defenders who are confident and comfortable through vigorous cross-examination of police officers. >> this goes just beyond the standard relationship rooted in how our legal system is structureght? it seems very personal. how would you go about fixing that andending fences? >> i just actually met with chief scott. i saw him on two ocsions. he looking forward to sitting down. i hope to continue conversations with him. but at the same time, chief scott and, you know, the residents of san francisco are interested in reform. it's important to collect data on disproportionate arres for african-americans, for example, in the community and see if we can actually do some changes that will actually make policing moreair f the residents of san francisco. of immigrant son from india. what role does that play and how you approach your legal work?
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>> whe you look at the place where my parents come from, it's a village in south india whicht is p poor farming community. and my father was because there were a couple people in that community who believed in him, really heights in education. i think that's one of the same things we should be trying to do your our clients to really look at what their potential is. and secondly, some of the disparities that we ha within san francisco, we have two san franciscos sometimes when you look at the conditions and some of the housing projects and we have the skyrocketing real estate wealth in the city. and that -- what we have internally in the city plays out globally when you look at some countries like india in comparison to the ustates. >> that formed your work in that >> the new public defender in san francisco, we wsth you all be in your new thank you. >> thanks for having me. we turn our attention to a bold view of c how techompanies
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are trying to control every aspect of our lives for profit from smart watches to social media posts to eve the words we speak at home, tech companies are capturing all that data and analyzing, bundling it and resling it. they're not minding the intimate details of our lives, they're trying to shape and control them. that is the conntion in a new book "the age of surveillance capitalism." and she joins us now in t studio. nice to have you here. >> so glad to be here with you. >> youth coined term surveillance capitalism. can you explain to us what it is? >> yes. surveillace capitalism birthed in the 21st century in the digital era. other areas of capitalism olved this way. they claim things that live outside the market dynamic, brinthem into the marketplac to be able to be sold and purchased. so, for example,ndustrial capitalism took nature, brought
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night the market dynamic and sold it as real state, as land. >> how is this different from the normal free market capitalism that have become accustom to? >> all right. sm took illance capital an unexpected and darker twist. it claims private human experience for the market dynamic. it brings it into the rketplace, translates night behavioral data which are then sold in new kinds of marketplaces to bmeiness cus who want to lay bets on what we will do in the future. >> so in your book you cite the game pokemon go as an example of this. this will illustrate this. how did that modify our behavior? eventually surveillance capitalists understands the bess data c from intervening in our behavior and shaping and herding and tuning us torts the
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objectives. >> so pokemon go did that by saying if you go to these business establishments, can you see the characters there. leading people to businesses they may never have visited in the first place. >> that's right. it established these futures markets in human behavior with a whole range of service providers, restaurant, bars, plas to get your tires changed, whatever it may be. and these esablishments paid pokemon go for guaranteed foot fall. so just like in the online world, the advertisers would pay google or facebook for click through rats, now we're out in the real world in our real lives here, of course, we will spend ouney. >> in yr book, it's nearly 700 pages long. you lay out the case in great detail. and very chilling detail. you compare this to elephant poaching. that is the tech companies in th case are taking our raw human behavioral material and t stripping tnd then we're
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the left over charactarcasses. but companies like facebook will say they're t selling your ersonal information. is that just a matter ofsy antecs? >> yeah, or i would have called it euphemism. you know, the idea th you disguise what you are really doing with clever language that leads you to make a differen conclusion. what is really happening here is we are the source of raw marial. for surveillance capitalism and production processes and sales. and whatel they'reng is bets on our future behavior. >> so what do you think needs to happen to try to fix this situation? >> number one, change in public opnion, a sea changehich i believe is already under way. we need new law, new regulations that willca specify outlaw the unprecedented activities of surveillance capitalism. number o, we need new forms of collective action. this can't be the burden of individuals.
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we need to come together, recognizing our shar interes to pressure democracy to make changes. number three, we have an opportunity for competitive solutions. the companies that decide to come into thispace and offer us the digital, the way we want empowering, democratizing, they stand to have every single person on earth as their customer. none of us want surveillance capitalism. > i know a lot of people are worried about technology and data and yet they buy something like alexa, the personal homes.ant for their and they think they're okay with that because they like the soconvenience. there seems to be this sc nect between what they say they're worried about and what they do. what would you say to them? >> scholars call this the privacy paradox. we say one thing and do another. atbut, in fact, w we understand is that when you actually reveal to people what is going on behind the veil backstage,
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nobody wants anything to do with the problem today is that most of us can't participatee ectively in our daily lives without moving through the digital medium and the supply chains that lead right into surveillance capitalism's factories. sourveillance capitalism has a lot of wealth. that is directed to engineerin the systems to keep us in ignorance. they're designed to bedd n. they're designed to be secret. so it's very hard for us to be aware even just a couple weeks ago pugh research has a story about facebook users who have no idea the way in whi facebook is categorizing them to feed them to advertisers. even today people are surprised and ignorant about what is going on. the answe lies not just in the ioindividual's a it's intolerable that we should be asked to u give the digital.
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it's utilities, it's conveniences, it's information for the sake of protectingrs ves from these pernicious s. activit what we really want to do is discover our shared interests. and begin to join together in the kinds of political and social action that will ultimately make a differenc new law, new regulation. >> if this tide of surveillance capitalism is not changed, what do you fear will happen? >> what i fear will happen is an assault on democracy. the kind of future that we be heading toward is different from the future we want. first of all, instead of democracy, we have computational truth. ip stea society, we have population statistics. nomy, we f human au have people who are tuned and herded, rewarded andunished to move in certain ways toward the guaranteed outcomes that thehe owners of systems desire.
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and it is against the very nature of the free and autonomous individu. >> the n book is "the age of surveillanc capitalism," thank you for being here. that will do it for us. for more of our coverage online, go to our website. thank you for watch
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