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captioning sponsored by newsho productions, llc >> woodruff: good evening. i'm judy woodruff. on the "newshour" tonight, attorney general william barr summarizes the mueller report, writing that there waso coordination between the trump campaign and russia and not enough evidee to charge president trump with otruction of justice. then we have full analysis on what it all means and what's next. u plus, as the. enters a decisive week for brexit, we leave the halls of parliament to hear from the british public. >> it's a massive problem that there's a gulf betweennt parliamend the people. if ifact we don't deliver brexit, a proper brexit, people will be completely disenchanted, and it will manifest itself in ways that we can't predict over generations. >> woodruff: all that and more on tonight's "pbs newshour."
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>> woodruff: the russia report by special counsel robert mueller remains confidential tonight, but a brief summary has sent ripple effects spreading across washington. on one hand the president is claiming victory. on the other, democrats are demanding the full report. >> it lasted a long time. we're glad it's over 100% the way it should have been >> woodruff: presint trump day, still reveling in the results of the mueller investigation. a our-page letter to congress on sunday, attorney general william barr reported that the special counsel found no evidence that "the trump campaign or anyone associated with it conspired or coordinated with russia to influence the 20 presidential election." barr also concluded there is noh basis to find e president obstructed the investigation-- after the special counsel reached no conclusion on that point.
the white house-- from the president on down-- claimed full vindication.se presetary sarah sanders: >> the whole purpose of this investigation was to determine whether or not there was collusion. lyd there wasn't. they were incredlear in the report that there was no collusion.at it's gews for our country and great news for this administration. >> wdruff: democratic congressman jerry nadler-- chair of the house judiciary committee-- said barr's findings may be a "hasty, partisan interpretation." he demanded the attorney general release the full mueller report, not just his own analysis. his conclusions raise more questions than they answer, given the fact that mueller uncovered evidence that in his own words does not exonerate the president. >> woodruff: nadler said he will ask barr to testify before his committee. on the republican side, senate judiciary chair lindsey graham-- a trump ally-- said the same.
but graham also wants to look into the justice depf.tment and thi. and their initial investigation of the trump campaign. >> a counterintelligence investigation is to protect the entity being targeted by a foreign power. how did it fail and break down here? was it a ruse to get into the trump campaign? i don't know, but i'm going to try to find out. >> woodruff: mueller's investigation lasted nearly two years, sought information from nearly 500 witnesses, issued more than 2,800 subpoenas and resulted in indictments, including mr. trump's former campt,gn chairman paul manafor national security advisor michael flynn and longtime confidant roger stone. the president said today that he is fine with releasing the entire report. he also warned that named
critics may face a reckoning.he >> are a lot of people out there that have done some very, very evil things. very bad things. i would say treasonous things against our country. and hopefully that people who have done such harm to our those people will certainly be looked at. i've been looking at theanfor a long td i'm saying why haven't they been looked at? >> woodruff: meanwhile, on the 2020 presidential caaign trail... >> we are going to invest inou affordableng, we are going >> it is time we pay teachers their value! >> woodruff: ...most democratic presidential candidates omitted any mention of mueller during weekend campaign eve et's turn now to our yami alcindor at the white house, lisa djardins on capitol hill and npr justice correspondent carrie johnson. carrie, to you fir a. so what mo we learning? where do things stand right now at the department of justice, what's known about the mueller report, when and where and how
ude weekend.to learn more? what we do know is barr determined there is insufficient evidence to char any american with conspiring with the russians to attack the 2016 election. we also know bob mueller has concluded that, with respect to obstruction of justice, the president's firing of the f.b.i. director james comey and other steps, it wasn't an common regulation of the president as the g,ite house is sayut it wasn't an indict either. we also know the justice department decided to answer the question for itself.. the a.d deputy a.g. haves decided there nsufficient evidence to indict president trump now or later for obstructing justice in this situation.
>>oodruff: are we going know more? >> barr is barring the report to scrub it foral andoing investigations, the many oforfshoots of theou specialel probe that have been farmed out to other u.s. attorney offices around the country, they expect to be releasing a lot more information. there's no timetable for when that will happen. >> woodruff: yamiche, let me turn to you. president trump has been celebrating this, he's been calling it a vindication. what more is the white house ying about this? >> well, the president and white house aides are taking a second victory lap today. they were so exted about the e findings of the mueller report and the summary by attorney general william barr. they're talking about e reporting, "newshour" reported and conn firmdz by me and lisa, attorney general william barr was told three weeks before the mueller report wasinally finished there was not going to be a finding obstruction. so the a.g. had three weeks to figure out whether or not there would be enough evidence that
president trump obstructed justice and he decided theresn enough. democrats are saying the a.g. is not a new central person and came to that hastily. they're saying, actually, he had a lot of time to think this through. good're also saying it was for the president not to sit down with the special counsel's office rudy giuliani said that the president would have walked into a perjury trap and that it was good for thedo president not t that. it's also important to note that the president is blamingd democrats ople around democrats. the trump campaign sent out a list of democrats who had commented on the president saying there was evidence that he colluded with russia. now they're making the case through both the president and the white house that thoshse democratld not be on tv. so what we see right now is the president using boh the wing -- the arm of the white house and the arm of his campaign to ally say not only was i cleared but we should move on and people should be held accountable for lying to me. >me.
he woodruff: yamiche, what are nay saying abouthite house about then this will be made public and anyng pardof the people around the president who were indicted or convi>>ed? hite house sources tell me the white house has not actually received the mueller report so what they're the talking about a report they haven't been able to go through. but the president says he's mppy to have the report de public. but white house press secretary sarah sanders saighd there have executive privilege issues and might be protecting theke presidency froing the report from going public. on pardons, there is a big question whether the president will pardon people like george o papadopoul paul manafort. the president says he hasn't looked into th, but they are praising include tpght and his lawyers, praising paul manafort for not lying and not cooperating fully th -- essentially fully with the robert mueller investgation. the r thing they're doing is going back to the idea of a campaign mode. they are fundraising off the idea that the president was found not toe colluding with
russia. >> and lisa, to you now, whaton abouhe hill? what are republicans and democrats saying there? >> i don't think it will shockat you e see two different pats here, one in the house controlled by democrats. democrats are meeting now to termine when they want to have the attorney general come to the hill, how hey play that. we know there is a scheduled hearing for the attorney general for april 9, a hearing for his tbowjt defend the department of justit.'s bud democrats can ask anything they want. will they call him before then is the question. also very notable, judy, that the house intelligence committee just in the past hour or so postponed its next russia hearing which was supposed to be wednesday morning. a spokesman told me tht ause of everything brought up by the ofeller report and sort of waiting to see morhat it says, they're going to put on hold their interviews ot that topic, bey're going to proceed on them eventually. so that's a hose. e republican-led senate, on the other hand, that's when youd saw y graham doing what you said in his story that he wants to do a deep dive on
whether the f.b.i. acted inappropriately, even sta this investigation. graham also told me this tersonally, judy, that he fel it was important to tell the president over the weekend that rus --that mueller found rusia intervened and russia is not a friend of the united states. he says the president understands that. i asked did the president say that to you? and graham said, i think the president understands that. >> woodruff: how do the democrats see the political calculus now?he >>have a thin needle to thread, judy, between legitimate oversight that moves things forward and between the risk ofe looking a mob, many democrats are aware of what happened at the kavanaugh hearings last year. >> woodruff: lisa desjahins at capitol, yamiche alcindor at the white house, carrie johnson from npr in the sudio, thank you very much. more on the mueller report right after the news summa. in the day's other
in the day's other news: israel launched a new wave of air strikes in gaza, retaliating for a rocket attack by hamas on sunday. israeli missiles flaed multi-story buildings in gaza city, lighting up the night sky. one building housed the offices of hamas's leader. the air strikes were answered by another round of rockets from gaza. the burst of fighting came asni prime er benjamin netanyahu was in washington. >> israel will not tolerate this. sswill not tolerate this. i have a simple e to o ael's enemies: we will do whatever we must defend our people and defend our state. >> woodruff: president trump usedetanyahu's visit to officially recognize israel's claim to the golan heights, along the rian border. the white house signing ceremony reversed more than 50 years ofin u.s. poliche middle east. it was swiftly condemned by syria as an attack on its sovereignty. the united states today condemned russli for sending ry forces into venezuela
over the weekend. local news accounts said russian transport planes ferried in00 nearlyroops. a u.s. state department official called it a "reckless eslation." meanwhile, a new blackout hit caracas less than two weeks after venezuela's worst blackout ever. more international aid poured into southeastern africa today, after a tropical cyclone that killed more than 750 people. humanitarian agencies scrambled to get help to the hardest-h areas. united nations officials said they are making progress. >> the conditions on therounds are improving. we managed to repost communication by road, which is helping the teams that aresu osed to deliver services and help to the communities. we are more organized now, aftet the chaos e had, so we are delivering food and shelter to tire people today. >> woodruff: an ted 1.8 million people were affected by
the storm, in mozambique, zimbabwe, and malawi. half of them are children left orphaned, separated from their parents, or homeless. in thailand: the political parties claimed a right to form a government after sunday's elections-- the first since a 2014 military coup. the military-backed party won the most votes.a but undemplicated electoral system, the anti- military, pulist party was likely to win the most legislative seats. back in this country: new mexico senator tom udall announced he will not run for re-election next year. the two-term democrat said he is wants to find other e ys to serve blic. was first elected to the senate in 2008, after serving t years in the house of representatives. he is 75 and the most senior latino in congress.
federal prosecutors on both asts have charged attorney michael avenatti with extortion and bank and wire fraud. he is best known fores reting adult film star "stormy daniels" who allegedly had an affair with president trump. in one case announced today, prosecutors in new york said avenatti tried to extort more rs from0 million dol nike with a threat of bad e blicity. >> by engaging in nduct alleged in the complaint, avenatti was not acting as anat rney. a suit and tie does not mask the fact that, at its core, this was an old-fashioned shakedown. >> woodruff: separately-- in los angeles-- avenatti was accused of embezzling $1.6 million dollars from a client. a dozen suspects in a nationwide admissions bribery case pled "not guilty" today in federal court in boston.nc the defendantsde test aministrators and former coaches from georgetown, the university of southern california and wake forest.
they are accused in a multi- million-dollar scheme to get childr of wealthy parents into prestigious universities. and on wall stet: the dow jones industrial average gained 14 points to close at 25,516,e but thnasdaq fell 5 points. and the s&p 500 slipped two. still to come on the "newshour," what happens now that the mueller investigation has concluded; a recap of russia's interference in the 2016 election; and british citizens react to brexit as it enters a critical week. ha >> woodruff: nowrobert mueller has completed his report, attention turnow democratic lawmakers will respond. congssman jamie raskin of maryland is on both the house
judiciary d oversight committees. we spoke earlierhis evening. jamie raskin, thank you very much for talking with us. >> you bet. >> reporter: so the attorney general says that robert mueller mueller, the special counsel, concluded no coordinor conspiracy with the russia's to interfere in the election. also concluded h himself sad there's no obstruction of justice even thoueugh mr.er said he couldn't reach a conclusion. what dyou make of this? >> he need to read the mueller report. it needs to be turned over in its entirety to the congress and to the people. it is a public document. it should be made public. the house voted 420 to 0 on march 12th, i think it was, to make it public, and we're going to insist on a bipartisan basis, i hope, that theport be turned over along with any evidencey support for mueller's findings. but otherwise, all we've got, really, is the barr report on
the mueller report, and attornea ge barr has made his views on a number of the relevant issues clear a long time ago. for examp, you know, he wrote a long, i think, m 19-pamo arguing that the president could not as aatter of law ever be found guilty of obstructing justice because, as president, he's in charge of the law enforcement apparatus. therefore, even if it's truee that told someone to lay off of a particular criminal suspect or to end a investigation, it could not be obstruction of justice because he's in charge.s >> woodruf are you saying you don't trust mr. barr's conclusions? >> well, mr. barr made his colusion long before he received the mueller report. he took the position that the president could not be guilty ou obion of justice. then, when mr. mueller said, well, there's aubstantial quantum of evidence that could
lead to an obstruction of justice prosecution, we could go either way on it, and he left it to th attorney general. at that point, attorney general barr's pr-existing views obviously took over, or at least it's e a reasonarmise they took over. the point is that, as the law making branch of government, with an independent constitutional oversight duty, congress needs to et the mueller report. we don't need the cliff noteso version handedus by the attorney general. we need the actual report with all the factual findings, with whatever legal conclusions are in there and we need underlying evidence and we ve ample precedent for that. >> woodruff: but congressman r raskin, robeorts, whom democrats have praised over the last two years, did spend months after month working on this. it appears to be a comprehensive investigation, and for him to come away and say there's no evidence of a conspiracy or coordinati with the russians, i mean, is that significant?
>> well, i mean, you're framing that question i think demonstrates the problem. he did not find th there was no evidence of cooperation or collusion. he saithat there was not sufficient evidence to bring a prosecution. in other words, not enough cidence to convince a prosecutor that thld sustain-year-old a prosecution. but there may be a lot of stuff in there that's of profound interest to us, an that's why we want to get the mueller report in its entirety and note accept testatement of it by the attorney general. >> woodruff: so w much more investigation, more hearings, how much more needs to be done here? i mean, the country's been waiting for two yea. we have a report. you're right, we haven't seen it yet, but whaare youying exactly now needs to happen? >> well, the country is still waiting. in other words, all we have right now is, obviously, a huge p.r. victory frr theesident who has been crowing today that this is a complete an total
exoneration. the amusing part of that claim is the one sentence that we actually get from the real mueller report totally contradicts that. it says this is not an exonsiation of the prent, but we don't know why because all the underlying factual evidence has been omitted, and we don't have . so what we're getting is kind of a choreographed displ s ofome pre-packaged conclusions and it's simply not going to be acceptable in terms of our being able to protect the law in the constitution. look, if mueller's report actually determines, as a matter of fact, that the president is a boy scout ande husband of the year and a decorated vietnam war hero and someone who ldutin to take a hike when putin offered him information about the hillary clinton campaign, great, then we can all accept en. but we haven't shat. we don't know what's in that report and we want to know what the specific factual findings
are. >> woodruff: representative jamie raskin of maryland, we thank you. >> you bet. >> woodruff: now let's get the view from the white house. kellyanne conway is counselor to the president and joins me now. kellyanne conway, welcome back to the "newshour". so the president and others had lled this a witch hunt. what do you make to have the mueller investigatyon -- what do make
of the mueller investigation now? >> it's a full and fair investigatiothat came to the right conclusion. the president did not try to interfere with the finvestigation, and that, course, we know is in the documentation, that nobody at justice felt that mr. mueller could not do hisd work, e did his work in quiet, judy, for 22 months, and now he has spoken. i think what we know from the mueller report through the barr memo is instructive not so much for what it ys but f what it doesn't say. no collusion, no newme indis, no indictments of anybody named trump, no
"obstructive condu." something that has caught my eye, hasn't gotten a ton of attention, is there was talk internally to get a subpoena for the president to testify in person, and that was felt unnecessary, given the fact that the esident submitted written responses under oath to questions that were presented him, ae answers to those questions by the president were part of the evidence that they relied upon in coming to this conclusion of no collusion. >> woodrf: all we have is just a few sentences, a summary from the attorney general. we d't have the full mueller report. so if premature to saye that th president feels vindicated or exonerated, as he said? >> it's not premature for the president to say he's vindicated or exonerated for a very simple reason, we've let this lie, fly for almost two years nowf collusion. it likely doesn't have any criminal stickiness, if you
will, any real liability or culpability. i think most americans probably understand the word conspiracy better but there's no conspiracy here either. i have to say, judy, i have been pretty calm and well-tempered even though people who are saying that our campaign in 2016, which i was the campaignfo manage the winning part of the campaign, that somehow we had to cheat or lie or talk to foreign governments or foreign agents and couldn't win fairly and squarely, that's been a bit of an insult to those of us who just watched donald trump and mike pence out there mking the says every siege day with the people and connecting with them. the president saidday and to an oppress opportunity that he is fine for the muellereport to be made public. 420-0 vote in these hf representatives. everyone agreed unanimously. but you know what the rules are. the attorney general, in this case bill barr, will decide what happens next with the report.f:
>> woodrhat we heard from congressman raskin is because the attorney general had written an opion column critical of the mueller investigation that, in effect, when he reports that mr. mueller couldn't reach a conclusion on the obstruction of justice question, that mr. barr, in mr. raskin's words, he says he just took over and he himself concluded there was no obstruction, in other words, suggesting that's premature, that we don't know that yet. >> well, what we do know is that bill barr is serving his sef ond touruty as our nation's attorney general, and his record has beebn ond reproach. it was disappointing to not sees more democote for his confirmation in the united y, sinceenate, recen he is a man of esteemed quality and professional experience and character and integrity. t i think, again, this presumptive negat we, thisish and rush to judgment, hoping against hope that the president or the attorney general or someone connected to the president is somehow guilty of
someing that will turn over the 2016 election result or makt it more diffior this president to be reelected has completely backfired. i think that they've given him a gift for 20, an they've spent so much time talking about 2016, that here wee ar, well into 2019. >> woodruff: and very quickly, should there be an investigation of what robert mueller did, of what the b did, what the e stice department did? i'm referring to tll by some of the president's allies, some of his att iorneys,ncluding rudy giuliani, that justice department, f.b.i. be investigatth? >> yes, bupoint is the justice department, the f.b.i., with the shegana that were happening when comey and the rest of that l were there, ridiculing the trump voters, smelly wal-mart shoppers, things like that, saying they needed a "insurance policy" to ensure we wouldn't be the preside think in interest of the full
accountability and democracy, the public has a right to know what people were doing to subvert an ected president. >> woodruff: kellyanne conway, thank you. >> thank you. >> woodruff: one of the main missions >> woodruff: one of the main missions of the special counsel's investigation was to determine moscow's actions in e 2016 election. as william branghan reports, on that front the evidence has been quite clear.r >> reporter:the past two years, special counsel robert hmueller's team-- along w america's top intelligence agencies-- have demonstrated one clear fact: the russian government meddled in the 2016 presidentiallection. the first glimpse we got into russia's interferee in the election happened in the summer of 2016, and hacked and stolen emails from the hillarclinton campaign and the democratic national committee are publicly released, some via the website wikileaks. cybersecurity experts quickly e ggest russians were behind the hack, but no evi provided.at
candide trump routinely downplayed suggestions that russia was interfering. >> it could be russia, but it could also be china, it also could be lots of other people, it also could be somebody sitting on their bed that weighs 400 pounds, okay? >> repter: as the presidential campaign continues in the fall of 2016, american intelligence officials brief members of congre that the russian government is looking to interfere in the election. in september, at the g20 meeting in china, president obama reportedly warns russian president vladimir putin to stop his nation's interferee. two months later, donald trump wins the presidency, but before his inauguration, the oba administration publicly points the finger at russia for the clinton email hack, and in lstaliation, levies sanctions on russia, and expe5 russian nationals from the u.s. the next month, a declassified intelligence report from the f.b.i., the c.i.a., and the n.s.a. states with high confidence that vladimir putrd
personally oered a cyber and social med campaign to disrupt the recent u.s. presidential election. and it states that putin had a clear preference for donald trump. according to the report, putin, "aspired to help president-elect trump's election chances when possible by discrediting secretary clinton and publicly contrasting her unfavorably to him." in february of 2018 robert mueller's first indict against russian individuals drops. >> the indictment charges 13 russian nationals and three russian companies for committing nideral crimes while seeking to interfere in thed states politiepl system. >>ter: mueller's team lays out a sweeping case, directly acsing russian citizens an companies of a massive, coordinated disinformation campaign tsabotage the election. the defendants allegedly condted what they called "information warfare against the united states," th the stated goal of spreading distrust
towards the candidates and the political system in general. >> rorter: the indictment accuses the russians who worked out of this building in moscowam of stealinican identities, setting up fake accounts on facebook and other social media sites, and spreading false and inflammatory information with countless online posts. e 2017 the newshour's nick schifrin spoke to the men who worked there, worker marat mindiyarov. a suddenly, you see a lot of comments at nigh they're all the same, yeah? and it's exactly theeople doing their job. they have their topic, and they have a time to do it, and they write it, and you see it. >> reporter: u.s. intelligence says this so-called troll factory was financed by evgeny prigozhin, a businessman with catering companies, who's been p duin's personal chef. according to the indictment, the trolls' work wasn't lito the internet-- russians allegedly traveled across the
u.s., hid their identities and staged political rallies. irthe indictment also confms the russians had a favored candidate: "by early to mid-2016, defendants' operations included supportinghe presidential campaign of then-candidate donald j. trump and disparaging hillary clinton." five months later, another indictment. 12 more russians are indicted by mueller's team, includg members of the gru-- russian military intelligenc that's their headquarters. they're accused of hacking and stealing the democratic nationan committeclinton campaign emails. three days later, at his summit with the russian president inhe inki, president trump again downplays the evidence that russia interfered in the election.en >> i have presputin, he said, "it's not russia." i will say this: i don't see any reason whyt would be. i will tell you that president putin was extremely strong and powerful in his denial today.
>> reporter: throughout the mueller investigation, there are repeated questions about when-- and whrious members of the trump campaign and white house met with people connected to the russian government. attorney general jeff sessions, former advisors carter page and george papadopoulos, former campaign chairman paul manafort, national security advisor l michael flyngtime trump , nfidant roger stone, longtime fixer, michael coho negotiated with the russian government to create a tcomp tower in m and even the president's son-in-law, jared kushner, and the president's son, donald trump jr. took a meeting with russian lawyer because she said she had "dirt" on hillary clinton. each of these men faced intense scrutiny over their russian connections. but, according to attoey general william barr's summary, mueller's investigationul timately determined none of it added up to collusion. barr's letter yesterday offered yet another opportunity for
moscow to dismiss the suggestion it did anything nefarious. putin spokesman dmitry peskov put it this way: "it's hard to find a black cat in a dark room," he said, "especially if it isn't there." for the pbs newshour, i'm william brangham. >> woodruff: let's look at a number of legal questions the attorney general's letter has sparked with neal katyal, he was acting solicitor general in theb a administration. and paul mcnulty, he served as deputy attorney general in the george w. bush administration and before that served ases sprson for attorney general barr during the firstis bush admation. we thank you both for being with us. i want to ask you, first, sed on what know, both sides are drawing their own conclusions about this very briefummary from the attorney general of the mueller report. what do you make of this, neal
katyal? >> well, i think you're right, it's a brief summary but a very troubling sumplet i think the dmost important thing his is what i wrote about in today's"n york times" is barr's conclusion about obstruction of justice. remember, mueller spent 22 monti investigating s. he didn't reach a conclusion, he laid out in his reidrt the ce from both sides, presumably for congress to, evaluad then the attorney general goes in and swoops in, within 48 hours, and says, oh, i decided there's no obstruction of justice here, there's not enough evidence andhen maybe harkining back to his 19-page memo from the summer st year, who knows, but this raises far more questions than it answers and underscores why we all need to seehe mueller report. >> woodruff: paul mcnulty, let's start with the question of obstruction of jtice, but let me ask you first, what about this notion that robert mueller spent two years on thids an concluded he could not draw a conclusion, he couldn't come t
a recommendation on obstruction of justice? what to you make of that? >> well, i think what bob was doing there was pointing to theh factat a prosecutorial decision needed to be made. apparently, he made arguments in his report for both sides of a decision, but recognized that the decision by the department of justice is one that it's made wi the cosultation with the deputy attorney general, the attorney general and other officials, and, so, he deferred them to make that prosecutocial on. that's why i think it goes well beyond any view that thee attorneyeral has with regard to obstruction of justice and goes to the question, most importantly, of proof beyond a reasonable doubt and whether or not the evie dence and w was going to meet the standard that dodge has that a reasonable juror would mind beyond a reasonable doubt that rrstruction of justice oc. >> woodruff: and you're saying that the attorney general was coortable saying that based on
what robert mueller had sd? >> right, and i actually disagree with neal's point earlier about the swooping in factor because, in the letter, it says that the special counsel was in consultation with d.o.j. officials for quite some time about legal theory and facts associated with obstruction of justice. so attorney generaobbarr ly had the benefit of o.l.c., the office of lega counsel, criminal division lawyers who are carprr ecutors. rod rosenstein who has been involved in this all along and obably had a considerable amount of thoughts to bring to the issue, and all of that together, they said that, if you look at thryis sumf law and evidence, and this is the chief law enforcement officer, this ju doesn't meet the stndard. that's why i think they came to that conclusion. >> woodruff: neal katyal, you have been shaking your head. >> i couldn't disagree more with my friend paul. he's right to say mueller laid out both sides of thede evie, that's what we know from the barr letter, but absolutely wrong er say muenvited
barr or the justice department to reach their own determination. that is nowhere in the letter. maybe it's ithe report, i n't know. but i certainly don't know that, i don't know how he could know, thd now there have been leaks from the justice department that said mueller had given a three weeks heads up to attorney general barr that he wasn't going to reach a conclusion, and that's nice and maybe allows for debate within the office of legal counsel, but barr's letter yesterday said e ere was not evideat there was a corrupt motive on the part of trump and, as far as i know, he only had tw days since the barr report -- the mueller report came in for hi to reach that determination. that's a striking thing to do. two days? you know, reached it after 22 snonts. >> woodruff: andust a quick response, mr. mcnuty. >> well, neal, i jus want to ask maybe you and i are readingr this lette why we disagree on this point. doesn't it clearly say the special counsel deferred to the attorney general, to t
department of justice for this rytermination? that's all i wasg to say earlier. >> again, i don't think that's quite whi it says. i barr is characterizing that we don't know whether r thought congress would be the right decider here or the attorney general. it's just not in that letter at all. we're not going to resolve that right here, but the two of you have clearly tak a look at it. let's turn to the finding that there was noconspiraciy, no coordination with the russians. neal katyal, that seems like a pretty straightforward conclusion that the special counsel drew, aleast according the summary. >> straight and not. so, youth know, ink there's been a lot -- it's almost like the bible or something, peo are reading stuff in that's not in there. you heard kellyanne conway say t to yt the report shows the president did not try to interfere with theve igation, which, of course, is nowhere in the four-page letter. and, yes, there is a conclusion about collusionbut, again,
it's a criminal standard that mueller was applying, and tha why, again, the report needs to come out because there may be evidence short of that vey high standard beyond a reasonable doubt that the american public yoeds to see. know, if there was no collusion, either criminal orn civil or, youw, a layperson's view, i think all of us should celebrate that anfe very, very pleased that mueller reached that determination. it's just that i don'think, based on the four-page letter, that we can jump to that conclusion yet. >> woodruff: paul mcnulty, how much of the mueller repesort the public need to see, deserve to see in order toe answer these tough questions? >> well, judy, need and deserve, those are both good words, and i would say there is definitely ae o be made for that, and certainly the interest level is sky high. one of the really challenging issues here, howeris this reference to grand jury material that is going tohave to be resolved. apparently, the report has a
significant amount of information obtained through the use of the grand jury and that races a question because the are clear rules about grarnd juy investigation about ho how muchf the report can be released. >> woodruff: neal katyal how much vulnerability still exists for the president, giv these other investigation still underway in new york, virginia, and elsewhere in. an, huge. i think i have been saying for vere than a year that the southern district igation poses a far greater threat to donald trump because that's one in which he has been named, individual numberne, as orchestrating the commission of fo federlonies. that is something that almost has never happened in the course of american history, a federal prosecutes finger a signature president of the united states
to evade the law. that's striking.ap whateverns with mueller, this investigation is still going on. >> woodruff: paul mcnulty, how do you read the president's vulnerability in these and other investigations? >> i think neal does identify some ucertainties about cases that have been spun off from this and we'll have to see where they go. so it's clear that there are other issues out there. i ink thetention has been focused on the collusion question, and that's going to probably, in the minds of voters, with a very sigcani factor that we're turning the pageon that. generally speaking, congress will have a lot to say aboute that, but till tell as to what else will emerge from those ancillary matters. >> woodruff: paul mcnulty, neal katyal, we thank you both.y >> tha. and to all of you, please join us later this evening. the "newshour" is >> woodruff: join us later this evening. the newshour is teaminith "frontline" for a primetime
special on pbs on what we've we've learned so far in the special counsel's investigation. >> woodruff: analysts in london say this may be the united kingdom's most significant week since world war ii, because it all decide the fate of brexit. just a few minut, in a setback for the government, members of parliament ed a kind of multiple choice vote to chese their own version of divorce from the european union. they will hold that vote on wednesda and in another setback for prime minister theresa may, aye admitted the still does not have enough support for her version of brexit. t the struggforge a consensus means britain is at risk of crhing out of the european union without a deal to soften that separation. and as special correspondent malcolm brabant reports from yorkshire, at this critical
moment the kingdom is deeply divided. >> reporter: this brexiteers' march from northern england to parliament w supposed to end on friday when britain was due to exit the european union, but the international divorce they voted for has been delayed. >> what do we want? >> brexit! >> when do wwant it? >> now! ( applause ) >> reporter: john longworth is the chairman of leave means leave. >> the beginning othe brexit betrayal has started. it's a complete stitch up between the u.k. government and the european establishment. >> reporter: as the marchers set off, the prevailing complaint was that most members of parliament favor staying in thew e.u. ande working to overturn the result of the 2016 referendum. amy brookes is a local councilor for britain's oppositiy. labour part >> i'm really, really disappointed, but i'm really worried, to be hones i fear this is the thing that will break democracy in this country. all we have is the vote, and when pliament don't enact that, what, what is left?
>> reporter: remainers often depict brexiteers as small minded, bigoted nationalists who hanker after a glorious british past that no longer ists. school teacher julie colton defies the stereotype. >> we were told it was going to be our decision and they have pulled up every tree they can, to betray it, to stop us from leaving the european union. so it is absolute treachery. to reporter: in the referendum 52% of voters opteeave the e.u., 48% to stay. 17.4eillion people were on th winning side.or and john longw had this warning: >> it's a massive problem that there's a gulf between parliament and the people. it will have incalculable effects for trust in the u.k. establishment and the democratic system if in fact we don't do the brexit, a proper brexit. people will be complet disenchanted and it will manifest itself in ways we can't
predict, over generations. >> brexit now! brexit now!om >> exit frrexit! >> reporter: two hours into the hike, the marchers were miallenged by a lone remain supporter, deb s. >> exit from brexit! >> wha>>do we want? brexit! >> when do we want it? >> now! >> exit from brexit! good morning!ay >> how can youou believe in democracy! >> i believe in democracy! this area is going to be poorer. jobs are closing. >> you don't listen! you don't-- >> i talk to politicians?! >> oh, you talk to p >> absolutely! >> and you believe them, do you? >> this country has so many difficulties that we nd to deal with, and brexit is just getting in the way. >> i'm doing very well. we're marching for you!" >> reporter: one day later a maidenhead station in the district represented by the prime minister, remain supporter judith curry headed to a pro- e.u. rally in london demanding a second referendum. >> i think we're heading for complete disaster.
and i have children, i care for my country, i'm a patriot. i don't want to see my country go into chaos. >> reporter: on london's underground, teacher jessica jenkins shared aommonly held view that older people who voted for brexit denied the next generation their birthright of access to europe. >> i want my children to be able to travel wherever they want to without any hassle. i want them to be able to work wherever they want to, like i did. i teach languages. i teach french and german.i ow the importance of europe and good connections, good business cwanections. annt them to have exactly the same opptunities that i had. >> reporter: histoans and constitutional experts believe this crisis is the biggest britain has faced since the second world war. back then, the country was united ainst a common foe, but brexit has had the effect of turning britons on each other. the division in this country is really visceral. civilized conversati turned to hatred, and social cohesion is really at risk. and the only thing that really
seems to unite the people is their total disdain for the politicians who are supposedbeo epresenting them. >> liars. absolute liars.te >> rep jeff would only give his first name, because he feared remainers were being targeted by the right wing. he accused the politicians who >> in every industry-- financia- services if you commit fraud, if you misrepresent, you go to prison. all i want is honesty. >> we think that we have topped, one million marchers. ( cheers and applause ) >> reporter: london, a multial cultinternational city, is at odds with large swathes of britain. the capil voted to remain in europe. high school student leo buckley: >> not only was there huge rference from the likes of russia, but in fact the vote leave campaign acted illegally. if this was a legay binding referendum, or a general election, it would be dismissed because of the amount of corruption that's gone on behind it. >> reporter: more aan 1,000 daysfter the referendum result, the uncertainty unsettled consultant ade
akinrinsol om it's a big decision and i do accept that, it ishing that, it's been very difficult to get consensus on, but i think they should have been talking about compromise a lot sooner, to find a workable solution, and not leave it until the very end. >> reporter: but the divide persis, even in london. maintenance worker sean dineen >> 17.4 miion people voted, and they won the vote. and basically if you change the vote, that's what 's going to be: fascist country. >> reporter: andhe tension driving that language reaches into families and friendships. >> my mom voted brexit. we cannot... i've had to say to my mom, i look at you now as a different person. it draws me nearly to tears. >> reporter: back in the north, brexit supporters called the onfailure to deliver brexi time a national humiliation. >> really, really good, great march, for a great cause,g nothinn be better than marching for democracy. >> rorter: at lunch time, there was perhaps a glimpse of the cuisine britons will face if the country crashes out of the e.u. without a deal and there
are food shortages as predicted. fried potatoes on insipid white bread... that northern delicacy, a chip buttie. >> better than french fries. >> that's true... these are english fries. >> reporter: in the current elimate, it's difficult to if they were joking. >> it really concerns me thevi on because people are getting very nasty, very aggressive, it's just absolutely bewildering what's happening ine the country atoment. >> reporter: the church of england has appealed for unity in what poet william called this "green and pleasant land," but the chasm is so profoundhat may be impossible. for the pbs newshour, i'm malcolm brant in yorkshire. >> woodruff: we close now with some good news. c es from roger rosenblatt.
he was a long-time essayist for the newshour and tonight offers his humble opinion on how a community can come together for hecommon cause. >> amid the usual,oo- usuae terrorist attacks, the wanton shootings, the racist politicians, the bullies of women, the predators-- in the middle of all that, there is news of this: a neighborhood in newton, massachusetts rallies round a two-year-old deaf girl. feeling deserted and aloneshe cannot communicate with the world around her. s athe world around her hi teacher and learns sign language. now every morning, the people on her street speak in signs, andee their little neighbor, who laughs and calls them "friend." the sh tenderness. out of the blue.um the shock of tenderness. no less amazing than the stories of death, destruction, savagery and crime but why are we surprised at our
surprise? have we grown so accustomed to think the worst of experience constitutes our lives that evidence of the best of experience seems unbelievable, q out of tstion. i think we are too passive to the news. the news is simplyhat is happening. we, too, can be what is happening. these are our lives. ought we not to attempt to control them? ought we not to discover and assert those moments of moral satisfaction by which we know life, too?e it wouldmantically unrealistic to regard the terrors and dark caves of the world as an aberration. we know too much. we've seen too much. but we can recognize the thrilling beauty of the worl when we see it, too, and celebrate it, and cherish it, and spd some time with it. tenderness need not be shocking. good works are done daily. and they are not at allt diffic understand. here's a story: a little deaf ttsl in newton, massachu
lives in a saddening silence, and then s her neighbors change their lives to be her friend. >> woodruff: lovely.r latenight join us for our special, "the muller report." here's a short preview. democrats and republicans demanding e full release of the report. >> in response to conclusions from th special counsel's report -- >> woodruff: special counsel robert mueller has delivered his final report to the department of justice. >> a ground-breaking collaboration tween "frontline" and "pbs newshour." >> there are no furthernt indictbeing recommended. that's a big deal. >> analysis and a potential impact. >> i think there will be evidence desc that we don't yet know. >> and the dramaevents that led the country to this moment. >> the attorney general looked at me and said we've had to fire the director of the f.b.i. i immediately sensed everything had changed. >> the mueller report. he was announced as special iounsel, and i just go, oh, my god because this s a guy that
doesn't leave any stone unturned. t >>ight at 8:00, 7:00 central, only on pbs. >> woodruff: wee opu will watch and online our coverage and analysis of the mueller report continues. coverage and analysis on the mueller report continues. find much more on our web site, pbs.org/newsho. and that's the newshour for t and that newshour for now. i'm judy woodruff. for all of us at the pbs newshour, thank you and see you soon. >> major funding for the pbs newshour has been provided by: >> babbel. a language app that teaches real-life nversations in a new language, like spanish, french, german, italian, and more. 1 babbel's15 minute lessons are available as an app, or online. more information on babbel.com.
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