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captioning sponsored by newshour productions, llc >> i'm judy woodruff.ing. on the "newshour" tonight, attorney general william barrue summarizes theer report, writing that there was no coordination betweenrump campaign and russia and not enough evidence to charge president trump with obstruction of justice. ve full analysis on what it all means and what's next. plus, as the u.k. enters a decisive week for brexit, we leave the halls ofarliament to hear from the british s blic. >> imassive problem that there's a gulf between parliament and the people. if in fact we don't deliver brexit, a proper brexit, people will be completely disenchanted, and it will manifest itself in ways that we can't predict over generations. >> woodruff: all that and more on tonight's "pbs newshour."
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thank you. t >> woodruf russia report by special counsel robert mueller remains confidential tonight, but a brief summary has sent ripple effects spreading across washington. on one hand the president is claiming victory. on the other, democrats are demandg the full report. >> it lasted a long time. we're glad it's over 100% the way ithould have been >> woodruff: president trump today, still reveling in the results of the mueller investigation. in a four-page letter to congress on sunday, attorney general william barr reported that the special counsel found no evidence that "the trump campaign or yone associated with it conspired or coordinated with russia to influence the 2016 presidential election." barr also concluded there is no basis to find the president obstructed the investigation-- after the special counsel
reached no conclusion on that point.e thite house-- from the president on down-- claimed full vindication. press secretary sarah sands: >> the whole purpose of this investigation was to determine whether or not there was collusion. and there wasn't. they were incredibly clear in the report that there was no collusion. it's great news for our coungry ant news for this administration. >> woodruff: democraticre coman jerry nadler-- chair of the house judiciary- committeid barr's findings may be a "hasty, partisan in drpretation." anded the attorney general release the full mueller report, not just his own ana his conclusions raise more questions than they answer, given the fact that mueller uncovered evidence that in his own words does not exonerate the president. >> woodruff: nadler said he will ask barr to testify before his committee. on the republican side, senate judiciary chair lindsey graham-y
a trump said the same. but graham also wants to look into the justice department and the f.b.i. and their initial instigation of the trump campaign. >> a counterintelligence t investigation is to prote entity being targeted by a foreign power. how did it fail and break down here? was it a ruse toet into the trumcampaign? i don't know, but i'm going to try to find out. >> woodruff: mueller's investigation lasted nearly two years, sought information from nearly 500 witnesses, issuedha more t2,800 subpoenas and resulted in 34 indictments,in cluding mr. trump's former campaign chairman paul manafort, national security advisor michael flynn and longtimero confidant r stone. the president said today that he is fine with releasing the entire report.
he also warned that unnamed critics may face a reckoning. >> there are a lot of people out there that have done some very, very evil things. very bad things. i uld say treasonous thing against our country. and hopefully that people who have done such harm to our those people wlol certainly be ed at. i've been looking at them for a long time and i'm saying why haven't they been looked at? >> woodruff: meanwhile, on the 2020 presidential campaign trail... are going to invest in tfordable housing, we are going >> it is time weeachers their value! >> woodruff: ...most democratic presidential candidates omitted inany mention of mueller d weekend campaign events. let's turn now to our yamiche alcior at the white house, lisa desjardins on capitol hill and npr justice correspondent carrie johnson. carrie, to you first. so what more are we learning?s where do thiand right now at the department of justice, what's known about the muepoller , when and where and how
we're going to learn more? e> judy, of course, we just hav this four pages which is basically a synthesis from the attorney general, very few quotes from the special counsel bob mueller himself in this letter that bill barr sent tong the ss over the weekend. what we do know is barrin dete there is insufficient evidence to charge any american wi conspiring with the russians to attack the 2016 election. we also know bob mller has concluded that, with respect to obstruction of justice, the esident's firing of the f.b.i. director james comey and other a steps, it wasn common regulation of the president as the white house is saying, but it wasn't an indict either. ticelso know the jus department decided to answer the question for itself. the a.g. and deputy a.g. hae decided there was insufficient evidence tindict president trump now or later for obstructing justice in this
situation. >> woodruff: are we going to know more? >> barr is barring the report to scrub it for information mateonal and going investigations, the many effshoots of the special counsel probe that haven farmed out to other u.s. attorney offices around the country, they expect bereleasing a lot more information. there's no timetable for when that will happen. >> woodruff: yamiche, let me turn to you. president trump has been celebrating this, he's been calling it a vndication. what more is the white house saying about this? n>> well, the president white use aides are taking a second victory lap today. they were so excited about the the fihedings of t mueller report and the summary byey attoeneral william barr. they're talking about the reporting, "newshour" reported and conn firmdz by me and lisa, attorney general william barr was told three weeks before the mueller report was finally finished there was not going to truction.ing of obs so the a.g. had three weeks to figure out whether or not there
would be enough evidence that president trump obstructed justice and he deided there wasn't enough. democrats are saying the a.g. is not a new cetral person and came to that hastily. they're saying, actually, he had a lot of time to think this through. they're also saying it was good for the president not to sit down with the special counsel's office. rudy giuliani said the president would have walked into a perjury trap and that it was good for the president not to do that. it's also important to note that the president is blaming democrats and people around democrats. the trump campaign sent out a list of deocrats who had commented on the president saying there was evidence that he colluded with russia.e now re making the case through both the president and the white house that those democrats should n tt be . so what we see right now is the president using both the wing -- the arm of the white house and the arm of his campaign to reallyay not only was cleared but we should move on ngd people should be held accountable for ly to me. >me.dr
>> wf: yamiche, what are nay saying about the white house about then this will be made public and any pardoning of te people around the president who were indicted or convicted? >> white house sources tell me the white house has not actually received the muellert so what they're the talking about e report they t been able to go through. but the president says he's happy to have the report be made public. but white house press secretary sarah sanders said there might have executive privilege issues and might be protecting the presidency from keeping th report from going public.ar on pdons, there is a big question whether the president will pardon people like george papadopoulos orulanafort. the president says he hasn't looked into that, but they arenc praisingde tpght and his lawyers, praising paul manafort for not lying and not cooperating fully with -- essentially fully with the robert mueller investigation. the other thing they're doing is going back to the idea of a campaign mode. theyere fundraising off t idea that the president was
found not to beolluding with russia. >> and lisa, to you now, what about on the hatll? re republicans and democrats saying there? >> i don't think it will shock you that we see tw different pats here, one in the house controlled by democrats. democrats are eting now to determine when they want to have the attoey general come to the hill, how they play that. we know there is a scheduled hearing for the attorney general for ril 9, a hearing for his tbowjt defend the department of justice's budget.s democrn ask anything they want. will they call him before then , the question. also very notabdy, that the house intelligence committee just in the pastour or so postponed its next russia hearing which was supposed to be wednesday morning. a spokesman told me that because of everything brought up by the mueller report and sort of waiting to see more of whait says, they're going to put on hold their interviews on that topic, but they'rgoing to proceed on them eventually. so that's a house. the republican-led senate, on the other hand, that's when you saw lindsey gryoam doing what said in his story that he
wants to do a deep dive on whether the f.b.i. acted inappropriately, even starting this investigation. graham also told me this, personaldy, that he felt it was important to tell the president over the weekend tha rus --that mueller found russia intervened and russia is not a friend of the united states. he says the presiden understands that. i asked did the president say tat to you? and graham said,ink the president understands that. >> woodruff: how do the democrats sethe political calculus now? >> they have a thin needle tore , judy, between legitimate oversight that moves things forward and between the risk of looking like na mob, may democrats are aware of what happened at the kavanaugh hearings last year. >> woodruff: lisa desjardins at the citol, yamiche alcindor at the white house, carrie hnson from npr in th studio, thank you very much. more on the mueller report right after the news summary. in the day's other
in t day's other news: israe launched a new wave of air strikes in gaza, retaliating for a rocket attack by hamas on sunday israeli missiles flattened multi-story buildings in gaza city, lighting up the night sky. one building housed the offices ofamas's leader. the air strikes were answered by another round of rockets from gaza. the but of fighting came as prime minister benjamin netanyahu wain washington. >> israel will not tolerate this. i will not tolerate this. i have a simple message to irael's enemies: we will do whatever we must do to defend our people and defend our state. >> woodruff: president trump used netanyahu's visit to officially recognize il's claim to the golan heights, along the syrian border. the white house signing ceremony reversed more than 50 years of u.s. policy in the middle east. it was swiftly condemned by syria as an tack on its sovereignty. the united states today
condemned russia for sending military fces into venezuela over the weekend. loanl news accounts said rus transport planes ferried in nearly 100 troop a u.s. state department official called it a "reckless escalation." meanwhile, a new blackout hit caracas less than two weeks ter venezuela's worst blackout ever.re nternational aid poured into southeastern africa today, after a tropical cyclone that killed more than 750 people.ge humanitarian ancies scrambled to get help to the hardest-hit areas. united nations officials said they are making progress. >> the conditions on the grounds are improving. we managed to repost communication by road, which is helping the teams that are supposed to deliver services and help to the communities. we are more organized now, after the chaos that we hali so we are ring food and shelter to more people today. >> woodruff: an estimated 8
million people were affected by the storm, in mozambique, zimbabwe, and malawi. frlf of them are children left orphaned, separate their parents, or homeless. in thailand: the two top political parties claimed a right to form a government after sunday's elections-- the first since a 2014 military coup. the military-backed party won the most votes. but under a complited electoral system, the anti- military, populist party was likely to win the most legislative seats. back in this country: new mexico senator tom udall announced he will not run for re-election next year. the two-term democrat said he is wants to find other ways to serve the public was first elected to the senate in 2008, after serving ten years in the house of representatives. he is 75 and the most senior latino in congress.
federal prosecutors on both coastsave charged attorney michael avenatti with extortion and bank and wire fraud. he is best known for representingdult film star "stormy daniels" who allegedly had an affair with president trump. o case announced today, prosecutors in new york said avenatti tried to extortore than $20 million dollars from nike with a threat of bad publicity. >> by engaging in the conduct alleged in the complaint, avenatti was not acting as an attorney a suit and tie does not mask the isfact that, at its core, as an old-fashioned shakedown.dr >> wf: separately-- in los angeles-- avenatti was accused of embezzling $1.6 million dollars from a client. cdozen suspects in a nationwide admissions bribee pled "not guilty" today in federal court in boston. the defendants include test aministrators and former coaches from georgetown, the
university of southern california and wake forest. they are accused in a multi- million-dollar scheme to get children of wealthy parents into prestigious universities. and on wall street: the dow jones industrial average gained 14 points to close at 25,516, but the nasdaq fell 5 points. "d the s&p 500 slipped two. still to come on twshour," what happens now that the mueller investigation has 'sconcluded; a recap of ru interference in the 2016 election; and british citizens react to brexit as it enters a critical week. >> woodruff: now that robert mueller hacompleted his report, attention turns to how democratic lawmakers will respond. congressman jamie raskin of
maryland is on both the house judiciary and oversight committees. we spoke earlier this evening. jamie raskin, thank you very much for talking with us. >> you bet. >> reporter: so the attorney general sas that robert mueller mueller, the special counsel, concluded no coordination or conspiracy with the russia's to interfere in the election. also concluded he himself said there's no obstruction of justice even though mr. muellerd e couldn't reach a conclusion. what do you make of thieds? >> he o read the mueller report. it needs to be turned over in its entirety to the congress an to the people. it is a public document. lic.hould be made pub the house voted 420 to 0 on march 12th, i think it was, to make it public, and weoi're to insist on a bipartisan basis, i hope, that the report be turned over along with any evidencey support for mueller's findings. but otherwise, all we've got,
really, e barr report on the mueller report, and attorney general barr has made his viewsf on a numbehe relevant issues clear a long time ago. for example, you know, he wrote a long, i think, 19-page memo arguing that the president could not as a matter of la ever be found guilty of obstructing justice because, as the president, he's in charge of the law enforcement apparatus. therefore, even if it's true that he told someone to lay off of ia particular nal suspect or to end an investigation, it could not be obstruction of justice because he's in charge. >> woodruff: so a yreou saying you don't trust mr. barr's conclusions? >> well, mr. barr made his conclusion long before h received the mueller report. he took the position that the present could not be gui of obstruction of justice. then, when mr. mueller said, well, there's a substantial
quantum of evidence that could lead to an obstruction of justice proldsecution, we coo either way on it, and he left it to the attorney general. at that point, attorney general barr's pre-existing views obviously took over, or at least it's a reasonable surthmie took over. the point is that, as the law making boanch ofvernment, rsth an independent constitutional oht duty, congress needs to get the mueller report. we don't need the cliff notes version handed to us by the attorney general. we need the actual report with all the factual fndings, with whal conclusions are in there and we need underlying evidence and we have ample precedent for that. >> woodruff: but congressman raskin, robert reports, whom democrats have praised over the last twrso yeadid spend months after month working on this. it appears to be a comprehensive investigation, and for him to come away and say there's no evidence of a conspiracy or coordination with the russians,
i mean, is that significant? w l, i mean, you're framing that question i think demonstrathe the problem. id not find that there was no evidence of cooperation or collusion. he said that there wasot sufficient evidence to bring aos ution. in other words, not enough evidence to convince a prosecutor that they could sustain-year-old a prosecution. but there may be a lot of stuff in there that's of profound interest to us, and that's why we want to get the mueller report in itsntirety and not accept the restatement of it by the attorney general. >> woodruff: so how mucrh moe investigation, more hearings, how much more needs to be don here? i mean, the country's been waiting for two years. we have a report. you're right, we haven't seen it yet, but what are you sayin exactly now needs to happen? >> well, the country is still waiting. in other words, all we have right now is, obviously, a huge p.r. victory for the president who has been crowing today that
this is a complete and total exoneration. the amusing part of that claim is the one sentence that we actually get from the real mueller report totallyco radicts that. it says this is not an exoneration of the president,t but we doow why because ol the underlying factual evidence has beeitted, and we don't have it. so what we're getting is kind of a choreographed display of some pre-packaged conclusions and it's simply not going to bele acceptn terms of our being able to protect the law in the constitution. look, if mueller's report actually determines, as a matter of fact, that the president is a boy scout and th husband of the year and a decorated vietnam wad hero a someone who told putin to take a hike when putin offered him information about the hillary clinton campaign, great, then we can all accept it. but we haven't seen that we doow what's in that report and we want to know what
the specific tual findings are. >> woodruff: representative jamie raskin of maryland, we thank you. >> you bet. >> woo uff: now let'st the view from the white house. kellyanne conway is counselor to e president and joins me now. kellyanne conway, welcome back to the "newshour". so the president and others had called tis a witch hunt. what do you make to have the mueller investigation -- what do you makef the mueller investigation now? >> it's a full and fair investigation that came to the right conclusion. the president did not try to interfere with the investigation, and that, of course, we know is in the documentation, that nobody at justice felt that mr. mueller could not do his work, and he did his work in quiet, judoy,r 22 months, and now he has spoken. i think what we know from the mueller repe ort through rr memo is instructive not so much for what it says but for what it doesn't say. no collusion, no new indictments, n indictments of anybody named trump, no
"obstructive conduct." something that has caught my eye, hasn't gotten a ton of tention, is there was tlk internally to get a subpoena for the president to testify in person, and that ws felt unnecessary, given the fact that the president submitted writt responses under oath to questions that were presented him, and the awers to those questions by the president were part of the evidence that thpo reliedin coming to this conclusion of no collusion. >> woodruff: all we have is just a few sentences, a summary from the attorney general. we don't have the fll mueller report. so if premature to say that the president feels vindicated or exonerated, as he said? >> it's not premature for the president to say he's vindicated or exonerated for a very simple reason, wee let this lie, fly for almost two years now of collusion. it likely doesn't have anyin
cr stickiness, if you will, any real liability or culpability. i think most americans probably understand the word conspirty better b there's no conspiracy here either. i have to say, judy, i have been pretty calm and well-tempered cen though people who are saying that ourampaign in 2016, which i was the campaign manager for theinning part of the campaign, that somehow we had to cheat or lie or talk to reign governments or foreign agents and couldn't win fairly and squarely, that's been a bit of an insult to those of us o just watched donald trump and mike pence ou there making the says every siege day with the people and connecting with them. the president said toy and to an oppress opportunity that he is fine for the mueller report to b pmablic. 420-0 vote in the house ofes retatives. everyone agreed unanimously. but you know what the rules are. the attorney general, in this case bill barr, will decide what
happens next with the report. >> woodruff: what we heard from congressman raskin is because the attorney general had written an opinion column critical of the mueller investigation that, in effect, when he reports that mr mueller couldn't reach a conclusion on the obstruction of justice question, that mr. barr, in mr. raskin's words, he says he just took over and he himlf concluded there was no obstruction, in other words, reggesting that's prema that we don't know that yet. >> well, what we do know is that bill barr is serving his second tour of dutys our nation's attorney general, and his record has been beyon reproach. it was disappointing to not see more democrats voteor his confirmation in the united states senate, recently, since he is a man of esteemed quality and professional experience and characr and integrity. but i think, again, thi presumptive negative, this wish and rush to judgment, hoping against hope that the president or the attorney general or
someone connected to the president is somehow guilty of something that will rn over the 2016 election result or make it more difficult for is president to be reelected has completely backfired. i think thathey've given ha gift for 2020, and they've spent so much time talking about 6, that here we are, well into 2019. >> woodruff: and very quickly, should there be an invesgation of what robert mueller did, of what the f.b.i. did, what the justice department did? i'm referring to the call some of the president's allies, some of his attorneys, inluding rudy giuliani, that justice department, f.b.i. be investigated? >> yes, but the point is the justice department, the f.b.i., with the shenanigans that were happening when comey and the rest of that lot were there, ridiculing the trump voters,al smellyart shoppers, things like that, saying they needed as ance policy" to ensure we wouldn't be the president, i
ink in interest of the fll accountability and democracy, the public has a right to know what people were doing to subvert an elected president. >> woodruff: kellyanne conway, thank you. >> thank you.e >> woodruff: o the main missions >> woodruff: one of the main missions of the special counsel's investigation was to determine moscow's actions in the 2016 election. as wil that front the evidence has been quite clear. >> reporter: over the pa two years, special counsel robert mueller's team-- along with america's top intelligence agencies-- have demonstrated one clear fact: the russian government meddled in the 2016 presidential election.im the first gle we got into russia's interference in the election happened in the summer of 2016, and hacked anen emails from the hillary clinton campaign and the democratic national committee are publicly released, some via the website wikileaks. cybersecurity experts quickly suggest russians were behind the hack, but no evidence is
provided. candidate trump routinely downplayed suggestions that russia was interfering. >> it could be russia, but it could also be china, it also could be lots of other people, it also could be somebodysi ing on their bed that weighs 400 pounds, okay? >> reporter: as the presidential campaign continues in the fall s 2016, american intelligence officials brief meof congress that the russian levernment is looking to interfere in theion. in september, at the g20 meeting in china, president obama reportedly warns russian o esident vladimir putin tstop his nation's interference. two months later, donald trump wins the presidency, but before his inauguration, the obama administration publicly points the finger at russia for thel clinton emck, and in retaliation, levies sanctions on russia, and expels 35 russian nationals from the u.s. the next month, a declassified intelligence report from the f.b.i., the c.n.a., and the a. states with high
confidence that vladimir putin personally ordered a cyb and social media campaign to disrupt the recent u.s. presidential election. and it states that putin had a clear preference for donald trump. according to the report, putin, "aspired to help pre-elect trump's electionsshances when le by discrediting secretary clinton and publicly contrasting her unfavorably to him." in february of 2018 robert mueller's first indictment against russian individuals drops. >> the indictment charges 13 russian nationals and three russian companies r committing deral crimes while seeking to interfere in the united states political system. >> reporter: mueller's team lays out a sweeping case, directly accusing russian citizens and companies of a massive, coordinated disinformation campaign to sabotage the election. the defendants allegedly conducted what they called "information warfare against the united states," with the stated
goal of spreading distrust towards the candidates and the political system in general. >> reporter: the indictment accuses the russians who worked out of this building in moscow of stealing american intities, setting up fake accounts on facebook and other social media sites, and spreading false and inflammatory information with countless online posts. in 2017 the newshour's nick schifrin spoke to one of the men who worked there, worker marat mindiyarov. suddenly, you see a lot of comments at night, and the, re all the saah? and it's exactly the people doing their job. they have their topic, and they have a time to do itthey write it, and you see it. >> reporter: u.s. ttelligence sas so-called troll factory was financed by evgeny prigozhin, a businessman with catering companies, who's been dubbed putin's psonal chef. according to the indictment, the anolls' work wasn't limited to the internet-- rus
allegedly traveled acrs the u.s., hid their identities and staged political rallies. the indictment also confirms the russians had a favored candidate: defendants' operations included supporting the presidential campaign of then-candidate donald j. trump and disparaging hillary clinton." five months later, another indictment. 12 me russians are indicted mueller's team, including members of the gru-- russian military intelligence. that's their headquarters. they're accused of hacking and stealing the democratic national committee and clinton campaign emails. three days later, at his summit with the russian president in helsinki downplays the evidence that russia interfered in the election. >> i have president puti he said, "it's not russia." i will say this: i don't see any reason why it would be. i will tell you that president
putin was extremely strong and powerful in his denial today. >> reporter: throughout the mueller investigation, t qre are repeatstions about when-- and why-- various ummbers of the campaign and white house met with people connected to the russian government. ioattorney general jeff se, former advisors carter page and george papadopoulos, former campaign chairman paul manafort, tional security advisor michael flynn, longtime trump confidant roger stone, longtime fixer, michael cohen, who negotiated with the russian government to create a trump tower in moscow, andven the president's son-in-law, jared kushner, and the president's son, donald trump jr. took a heting with a russian lawyer because she said s "dirt" on hillary clinton. each of these men faced intense scrutiny over their russian connections. but, according to attorney general william barr's summary, mueller's investigation ultimately determined none of it added up to collusion. barr's letter yesterday offered
yet another opportity for moscow to dismiss the suggestion it did anything nefarious. putin spokesman dmitry peskov put it this way: "it's hard to find a black cat in a dark room," he said, "especially if it isn't there." for the pbs newshour, i'm william brangham. >> woodruff: let's look at a number of legal questions the attorney general's letter has sparked with neal katyal, he was acting solicitor general in the obama add nistration. ul mcnulty, he served as deputy attorney general in the geor w. bush administration and before that served as spokespersonor attorney general barr during the first bush administratio we thank you both for being with us. i nt to ask you, first, based on what we know, both sides are drawing their own conclusions about this very brief summaryy from the attorneral of the
mueller report. what do you make of this, neal katyal? >> well, i think you're right, it's a brief summary but a ver troubling sumplet i think the most important thing and this is what i wrote about intoay's "new york times" is barr's conclusion about obstruction of justice. remember, mueller spent 22 months investigating thihes. idn't reach a conclusion, he laid out in his report the evidence fsim botdes, presumably for congress to evaluate, and th the attorney neral goes in and swoops in, within 48 hours, and says, oh, i decided there's no obstruction of justice here, there's not enouidence and then maybe harkining back to his 19-page memo from the summer last year, who knows, but this raises far more questions than it answers and underscores why we all need to see the mueller >> woodruff: paul mcnulty, let's start with the question of obstruction of justice, but let me ask you first, what about t robert muell spent two years on this and concluded he could not draw a
conclusion, he couldn't come to a recommendation on obstruction of justice? what to you make of that? >> well, i think what bob was doing there was pointing to the fact that a prosecutorial decision needed to be made.ad apparently, hearguments in his report for both sides of a decision, but recognized that the decision by the department of justice is one that it's made with the consultation with the deputy attorney general, t torney general and other officials, and, so, he deferred them to make that prosecutorial decision.i that's why i t it goes well beyond any view that the attorney general ha with regard to obstruction of justice and goes to the m questiost importantly, of proof beyond aon rele doubt and whether or not the evidence and the law was going to meet the standard that dodge has that a reasonable juror would mind beyond a reasonable doubt that ystruction of justice occurred. >> woodruff: anu're saying that the attorney general was comfortable saying that based on
what robert mueller had sai, d? >> rigd i actually disagree with neal's pointe earlier about ooping in factor because, in the letter, it says that the special counsel was inonsultation with d.o.j. officials for quite some time about legal theory and facts associated with obstruction of justice. so attorney general barr probably h the benefit o o.l.c., the office of legal counsel, criminal division lawyers who are career prosecuts. rod rosenstein who has been involved in this all along and probab had a considerable amount of thoughts to bring to the issue, and all of that togeer, they said that, ifou look at this summary of law and evidence, and this is the chiefo law ement officer, this just doesn't meet the standard. that's why i think they came to that conclusion. >> woodruff: neal ktyal, you have been shaking your head. >> i couldn't disagree more with my friend paul. he's right to say mueller laid out both sides of the evidence, that's w know from the barr letter, but absolutely
wrong to say mueller inv barr or the justice department to reach their own determination. that is nowhere in tetter. maybe it's in the report, i don't know. but i certainly don't know that, i don't know how he could know that, and t nowre have been leaks from the jusce department that said mueller had given a three weeks heads up to attorney general barr that he wasn't going to reach a conclusion, and that's nice and maybe allows for debate within the office of legal counsel, bus baetter yesterday said there was not evidence that there was a corrupt motive on the part of ump and, as far as i know, he only had two days since the barr report -- the mueller report came in for him to reach that determination. that's a striking thing to do. two days? you know, reachedit after 22 snonts. >> woodruff: and just a qick response, . mcnuty. >> well, neal, i just want to ask maybe you and i are reading this letter or why we disagree on this point. doesn't it clearly say th special counsel deferred to the
attorney general, to the department of justice for this determination? that's all i was trying to say earlier. >> again, i don't thinat's quite what it says. i think barr is characterizing that we don't know ether mueller thought congress would be the right decider here or the attorney general. it's just not in that letter at all. we'rgoing to resolve that right here, but the two of you have clearly taken a look at it let's turn to the finding that there was no conspiraciy, no coordination with thean rus neal katyal, that seems like a pretty straisitforward conc that the special counsel drew, at least according to the summary. >>traight and not. so, you know, i think there's been a lot -- it's almost like the bible or something, people te reading stuff inhat's not in there. you heard kellyanne conway say to you that t report shows the president did not try to interfere with the investigatn, which, of course, is nowhere in the four-page letter. and, yes, there is a conclusion
about collusion, but, again, it's a criminal standard that mueller was applying, and that's why, again, the report needs to come out because there may be evidence short of that ver high standard beyond a reasonable doubt that the american public needs to see. you knof there was no collusion, either criminal or civil or, you know,a layperson's view, i think all of us should celebrate that and feel very, very pleased that mueller reached that determination. it's just that i don't think, based on the four-page letter, othat we can jump t that conclusion yet. >> woodruff: paul mcnulty, how much of the mueller report does the blic need to see, deserve to see in order to answer these very tough questions? >> well, judy, need and deserve, those are both good word, i would say there is definitely a case to beade for that, and certainly the interest level is sky high. one of the really challenging issues here, however, is this reference to grand juterial that is going to have to be
resolved. apparently, the report has a significant amount of in trmation obtained throue use of the grand jury and that races a question because there are ear rules about grand jury investigation about ho how muchf the report can be released. >> woodruff: neal katyal how much vulnerability still exists for the president, given the her investigation still underway in new york, virginia, and elsewhere in. >> i mean, huge. i think i have beeng for more than a year that the southern district investigatn poses a far greater threat to donald trump because that's one in which he has been named, individual number one, as orchestrating the commission of two federal felonies. that is something that almost has never happened in the course american history, a federal prosecutes finger a signature president of the united states
to evade the law. that's striking. whatever happens wh mueller, is investigation is still going on. >> woodruff: paul mcnulty, how do you read the president's vulnerability in these and other investigations? >> i think neal does identify some uncertainties about cases that have been spun off from this and we'll have to see where .hey g so it's clear that there are other issues out there. i think the attentn has been focused on the collusion question, and that's going to probably, in the minds of voters, with a very significant factor that we're turning the page on that. generally speaking, congress will have a lot to say about that, but time will ll as to what else will emerge from those cillary matters. >> woodruff: paul mcnulty, neal katyal, we thank you both. >> thank you. o and to ayou, please join us later this evening. the "newshour" is >> woodruff: join us later this evening. the newshour is teaming up with
"frontline" for a primetime special on pbs on what we've we've learned so far in the special counsel's investigation. >> woodruff: analysts in london say this may be the united kingdom's most significant week since world war ii, because it ll decide the fate of brexit. just a few minutes ago, in a setback for thgovernment, members of parliament approved a kind of multiple choice vote to choose their own version of the divorce from the european union. they will hold that vote on wednesday. and in another setback for prime minister theresa may, she admitted today she sll does not have enough support for her version of brexit. the struggle to forge a consensus means britain is at risk of crashing out of the european union without a deal to soften that separation. and as special correspondent
malcolm brabant reports from yorkshire, at this critical moment the kingdom is deeply divided. >> reporter: this brexiteers' march from northern england to parliament was supposed to end on friday when britain was due to exit the european union, but ternational divorce they voted for has been delayed. >> what do we want? >> brexit! >> when do we want it? >> now! ( applause ) j >> reporten longworth is the chairman of leave means leave. >> the beginning of the brexit betrayal has started. it's a complete stitch up between the u.k. government and the european establishment. s reporter: as the marche off, the prevailing complaint was that most members of parliament favor staying in the e.u. and were working to overturn the result of the 2016 referendum. amy brookes is a local councilor for britain's opposition labour party. >> i'm really, really disappointed, but i'm really worried, to be honest.fe this is the thing that will break democracy in th country. all we have is the vote, and
when parliament don't enactwh that, what, is left? >> reporter: remainers often depict brexiteers as small minded, bigoted nationalists who hteanker r a glorious british past that no longer exists. scol teacher julie colton defies the stereotype. >> we were told it was going to be our decision and they have pulled up every tree they can, to betray it, to stop us from leaving the european union. so it is absolute treachery. >> reporter: in the referendum 52% of voters opted to leave the e.u., 48% to stay. 17.4 million people were on the winning side. and john longworth had tg:s warnin >> it's a massive problem that there's a gulf between parliament and the people. it will have incalculable effects for trust in the u.k. attablishment and the demo system if in fact we don't do the brexit, a proper brexit. people will be completely disenchanted and it will
manifest itself in ways we can't predict, over generations. >> brexit now! brexit now! >> exit from brexit! >> reporter: two hours into theh hike, marchers were challenged by a lone remain supporter, deb smith. >> exit from brexit! >> what do we want? >> brexit! >> when do we want it? >> now! >> exit from brexit! good morning! >> how can you say you believe in democracy! >> i believe in democracy! this area is going to be poorer. jobs are closing. >> you don't listen! iau don't-- >> i talk to polit?! >> oh, you talk to politicians! >>bsolutely! >> and you believe them, do you? >> this country has so many difficulties that we need to deal with, and brexit is just getting in the way. >> i'm doi very well.e we'rmarching for you!" >> reporter: one day later at edidenhead station in the district represent by the prime minister, remain supporter judith curry headed to a pro- e.u. rally in london demanding o referendum. >> i think we're heading for
complete disaster.d i have children, i care for my country, i'm a patriot.nt i don't to see my country go into chaos. >> reporter: on london's siunderground, teacher jes jenkins shared a commonly held view that older people who voted for brexit denied the next generation their birthright of access to europe. >> i want my children to be able to travel wherever they want to without any hassle. i want them to be able to work wherever they want to, like i did. i teach languages. i teach french and german. i know the importance of europe and good connections, good business connections. and i want theto have exactly the same opportunities that i had. >> reporter: historians and constitutional experts believe this crisis is the biggestbr ain has faced since the second world war. back then, the country was united against a common foe, but brexit has had the effect of turning britons on each other. the division in this country is really visceral. civilized conversation has turned to hatred, and social
cohesion is really at risk. and the only thing that really seems to unite these people isto their l disdain for the politicians who are supposed to be representing them. >> liars. absolute liars. >> reporter: jeff would only give his first name, because he feared remainers were being targeted by the right wing. he accused the politicians who >> in every industry-- financial services-- if you commit fraud, if you misrepresent, you go to prison. all i want is honesty. >> we think that we have topped, one million marchers. ( cheers and applause ) >> reporter: london, a multi cultural, inteational city, is at odds with large swathes of britain. the capital voted to remain in europe. high school student leo buckley: >> not only was there huge foreign interference from the likes of russia, but in fact the vote leave campaign acted illegally. if this was a legally binding referendum, or a general election, it would be dismissed because of the amount of corruption that's gone on behind it. >> reporter: more than 1,000 days after the referendum
result, the uncertainty unsettled consultant ade akinrinsola. >> it's a big decision and i do accept that, it is somethingth , it's been very difficult to get consensus on, but i think they should have been talking about compromise a lot sooner, to find a workable solution, and not leave it until the very endr >> rr: but the divide persists, even in london. maintenance worker sean dineen >> 17.4 million people voted, and they won the vote. and basically if you change the vote, that's what it's going to be: fascist country. >> reporter: and the tension driving that language reaches into families and friendships. >> my mom voted brexit. we cannot... i've had to say to my mom, i look at you now as a different person. it draws me nearly to tears. >> reporter: back in the north, brexit supporters called the failure to deliver brexit on time a national humiliation. >> reall really good, great march, for a great cause, nothing can be betrcr than mang for democracy. >> reporter: at lunch time, there was perhaps a glimpse ofin the cue britons will face if thhecountry crashes out of t
e.u. without a deal and there are food shortages as predicted. fried potatoes on insipid white bread... that northern delicacy, a chip buttie. >> better than french fries. >> that's true... these are english fries.ep >>ter: in the current climate, it's difficult to tell if they were joking. >> it rely concerns me the division because people are getting very nasty, very aggressive, it's just absolutely bewildering what's happening in the country at the momen >> reporter: the church of england has appealed for unity in what poet william blake called this "green and pleasant land," but the chasm is so profound that may be impossible. for the pbs newshour, i'm malcolm brabant in yorkshire. >> woodruff: we close now with some good news.
it comes from ger rosenblatt. he was a long-time essayist for the newshour and tonight offers his humble opinion on how aca communitcome together for a common cause. >> amid the usual, the too usual-- the tethorist attacks, wanton shootings, the racist politicians, the bullies ofn, wohe predators-- in the middle of all that, there is news of this: a neighborhood in ldwton, massachusetts rallies round a two-year-oeaf girl. feeling deserted and alone, she thcannot communicate with e world around her. so the world around her hires a teacher and learns sign language. now ery morning, the people her street speak in signs, and greet theilittle neighbor, who laughs and calls them "friend." the shock of tenrness. out of the blue. the shock of human tenrness. no less amazing than the stories of death, destruction, savagy
and crime but why are we surprised at our surprise? have we grown so accustomed to think the worst of experience constitutes our lives that evidence of the best of experience seems unbelievable, out of the questio t i think we a passive to the news. the news is simply what is happening. we, too, can be what is happening.ou these arlives. ought we not to attempt to control them? ought we noto discover and assert those moments of moral satisfaction by which we know life, too? it would be romantically unrealistic to regard the terrors and dark caves of the world as an aberration. we know too much. we've seen too much. but we can recognize the thrilling beauty of the world when we see it, too, and celebrate it, and cherish it, and spend some time with it. tenderness need not be shocking. good works are done daily. and they are not at all difficult to und sstand. here'sry: a little deaf
girl in newton, massachusetts lives in a saddening s, and then she doesn't. heesneighbors change their l to be her friend. >> woodruff: lovy. later tonight join us for our special, "the muller report." re's a short preview. democrats and republicans demanding the full release of threreport. >> ionse to conclusions from the special counsel's report -- >> woodruff: specialel robert mueller has delivered his final report to the department of justice. >> a ground-breaking collaboration between "frontline" and "pbs newshour." >> there are no further indictments beinthrecommended. 's a big deal. >> analysis and a potential im tct. >> i thihere will be evidence described in the report th we don't yet know. >> and the dramatic events that led the country to this moment. >> the attorney atneral looked e and said we've had to fire the director of the f.b.i. i immediately sensed everything had changed. >> the mueller report. ou was anned as special counsel, and i just go, oh, my
god because this is a y tha doesn't leave any stone unturned. >> tonight at 8:00, 7:00 central, only on pbs. >> woodruff: we hope you wil watch and online our coverage and analysis of the mueller report continues. coverage and analysis on the mueller report conh nues. find mre on our web site, pbs.org/newshour. and that's the newshour for and that's the newm our for now. dy woodruff. for all of us at the pbs newshour, thank you and see you soon. >> major funding for the pbs y:wshour has been provided >> babbel. a language app that teaches real-life conversations in a new language, like spanish, french, german, italn, and more. babbel's 10-15 minute lessons are available as an app, or online. more information on babbelom.
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