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captioning sponsored by newshour productions, llc >> oodruff: good evening. i'm judy woodruff. on the newshour tonight: president trump heads to capitol hill, as thediueller report des lawmakers along e litical lines. then, redrawing p. the supreme court hears arguments in two cases on how voting districts are set. plus, the queen of country, reba mcentire, on how she's tapping in her musical roots. >> every time i would try to do something very country, you know, the record label or somebody would want me to go more contemporary, or what mainstream is at the time, or what radio was playing at the time.ck so, it's just o basics for me. >> woodruff: a that and more, on tonight's pbs newshour.
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>> this ridiculous witch hunt, where it was proven very strongly, no collusion, no obstruction, no nothing. >> desjardins: desrsibed by senae lunched with as having particular energy, the president told reporters he w.wants to turn to policy >> the repubsocan party will be known as the party of healthcare. you watch. >> desjardins: tecs, after spl counsel robert mueller'sve inigation into alleged ties between the trump campaign a russia concluded, and a ormmary by atty general william barr said it found no collusion-- but reached it had no conclusion on obstruction of justice. as they awaithe report itself, leaders disagree on how much should be released. republicans, like senate majority leader mitch mcconnell, say barr should redathing that could harm other investigations. >> throwing innocent people under the bus, a throwing open classified records, doesn't strike me as a good idea.
>> desjardins: democratic leaders, including senator chuck schumer, want every page. >> our main thrust on this issue is simply transparency. release the report and then come to conclusions. >> desjardins: it is not a request. six house democratic committee chairs wrote to barr monday night, demanding he release the full mueller report to congress by april 2.d the letter sat congress should be able "to make an independent assessment of theen evid regarding obstruction of justice." house intelligence chairman adan schiffof the six names on that letter, told the newshour that barr and deputy attorney general rod rosenstein's own writings in the past make them biased and unreliable arbiters. but, speaker nancy pelosi and other democratic leaders in the house focused publicly today on health care and new democratic legislatn, downplaying russia and impeachment talk. >> some in thisetown were ed with the russia investigation... >> desjardins: hakeem jeries chairs the house democratic
caucus: >> strengthening the affordable care act, protecting pple with preexisting conditions, increased pay and a real infrastructure plan. that is what house dts are focused on. >> desjardins: impeachment is stl on the mind of freshma representative rashida tlaib of michigan. the democrat is circulating this letter, obtained by the newshour, asking for an impeachment inquiry. as for the democts who hope to be president, they are not raising the mueller report on the campaign trail. but, the outlet tmz did raise it to candidate and senator elizabeth warren, catching a train back to d.c. monday: >> i just spent the last two days doing public events in hampshire. i took a ton of questions. and you know how many questions i got about the mueller report? zero. people want tonow about the things that touch their lives everyday. >> desjardins: but at the capitol, investigations remain a part of everyday life, from both parties. today, the house judiciaryag committeed on a republican
push for more information about the actions of former f.b.i.mc director andrebe, and whether he tried to remove the president. for the pbs newshour, i'm lisa sjardins. >> woodruff: and we will return to the mueller investigation, right after the news summary. in the day's other news, the u.s. house of representatives upheld president trump's veto of a measure to block his national emergency declaration.24 in alllawmakers voted to override, but that was 38 short the two-thirds majority needed. the emergency declaration, along the southern border, still faces multipleegal challenges. anwhile, republicans and democrats alike denouncednt on plans for using military funds to pay for a southern border wall. at a house hearing, they challenged acting defense secretary patricshanahan. he said he had had a very thdifficult discussion wit white house. >> we said, here are the risks
longer-term to the department, and those risks were weighed. and then, given the legal order from the commander in chief, we are executing on that order. >> woodruff: shanahan has informed congress that he wants to shift as much as $1 billion in his budget to the border wall project. in chicago, television actor jussie smollett is now a free man. the state today abandoned charges that he stagedattack on himself. yamiche alcindor has our report. >> alcindor: in a stunning turnabout, the state's attorney's office announced itop had d all 16 charges against smollett.no it gavxplanation. >> i've en truthful and consistent on every single level since day one. i would not be my mother's son if i was capable of one drop of what i've been accused of.
>> smollett claimed he was the victim of a racist, anti-guy attack. >> there is no deal. the state dismissed the charges. >> the office did make a deal.th would drop the charges if smollett perform community service and forfeited 10,000 in bail. today the prosecutor's decision was blasted. >> they chose to hide bend l crecy and broker a deal. >> may rahm emanarely contained his fury. >> this is a whitewash of justic >> smollett told police o men beat him, tie ad noose around his neck and yellsed "this magga country" referring to president trump's make america
great.to y the mayor said smollett took advantage of hate crime laws and got away with it. >> to self-promote your career is a cost thacomes to all the individuals, guy men and women who will come forward and one day say they were victim of a hate crime who now ll be e ubted. >> supporters of actor disagree.il smollett's fy released a statement that said hame had been unjustly smeared. for the pbs "newshour," i'm yamiche alcindor. >> woodruff: the state of oklahoma, and the mar of oxycontin, purdue pharma, reached a $270 million settlement today over the opioid epidemic. it is the first such outcome in a wave of lawsuits. they accuse drug maks of addicting millions of americans to opioids. the sackler family, with controlling interest in purdue pharma, will pay part of the settlement. the long-running battle over the affordable care act-- or obamacare-- is heating up again. last night, the trump administration asked a federal
appeals court to strike down the d tire law instead of selecctions in turn, democrats today unveiled a bill to strengthen me law, and they vowed health care will now beor campaign issue in 2020. democrats' green new deal failed to advance in the u.s. senate today. it would fight climate change wawith a major shift to ree energy. republicans argued that it would break the economy, and theyup tried to forcerters to go on the record. >> it is a big green bomb that will blow a hole in our strong, healthy, and growing enomy. it's unaffordable. $65,000 per familyer year. it would essentially bankrupt america. >> we will not allow theto republicanake a mockery of our democratic process and of the debate over the climate crisis. and we are joined by a movement of people, young and old, all across the country, who are mobilized, organized and galvanized to take action now on climate change.
>> woodrf: in the end, democrats voted "present" in an act of protest against the republican move. f the middle east, gaza returned to a kindlm after 24 hours of israeli-hamas fighting subsided. this morning, israeli tanks remained at the gaza border, as people returneto the streets there. in southern israel, schools mained closed. a sunday rocket attack on israel had touched off the fighting. the u.s. supreme court declined today to block a new federal ban on so-called bump stocks. the attachments let a semi- automatic weapon fire like ain magun. in 2017, a gunman in las vegas used one to kill 58 people. the ban took effect today, as chief justice john roberts declined a request by gun rights groups to intervene. and, on wall street, stocks rallied after recent losses. the dow jones industrial average gained nearly 141 points to close at 25,657.e
sdaq rose 54 points, and the s&p 500 added 20. still to come on theatewshour: the of investigations into the president now that robert mueller has finishedis work. the supreme court hears arguments on electoral maps. medical advances in the fight against tuberculosis. an much more. >> woodruff: while we wait to see what is in special counsel mueller's report, the action moves to capitol hill.he as we heard, was a bipartisan push from the house judiciary committee for the justice department to detail why it began investigating president trump for obstruction of justice. the top republican on that committee, representativ gdoug collins rgia, joins us now from capitol hill.ng
ssman collins, thank you very much for joining us again on the newshour. first of all, i want to ask you, are you satisfied with the summary we've received so far by the attorney general of what's in the mueller report, or do you want to see the whole thing? >> well, the summary outlines what's ithe mueller report. sometimes we make a distinction. the attorney general made it very clear. this was the top linet this is whe report actually said and what the report actually did. , it showed there was no collusion. it went even further than the letter and said, even thoug they were contacted on several occasion, the trump campaign rebuffed those attempts. it also says that they could not come. the top prosecutors that mueller could find could not come to a conclusion about anything on obstruction. they had the attorney general look at it and decide. and him and rod rosenstein decided there was nothing there. there was no obtruction. so you start with the starting point of the top line. has now in the process ofin geus the rest of the
report, and we're looking forward to seeing that. >> woodruff: do you agree with senator mitch mconnell, the majority leader in the senate, who yesterday said he's prepared to block a reution that would call for the full release of the eller report? do you agree that's correct? >> it depends on what we' talking about about a full release. the attorney general said he would release everything he legally could. in the house a couple weeks ago, some of my democratic friends want to say they voted for something different, but what they actually voted for was to do exactly what the regulatio required, and that was that bill barr get the report. he's not to include cssified information, 6e or grand jury information or ong investigation material that could come forward. other than that he was going to provide everything he possibly could to the hill. i think that's whais whatthe senate majority leader is talking about, what we've talked about, and what democrats are on the record as voting for in the thousands make that report. now that it came back with something they don't like, now they're ryying to get eveing else. >> woodruff: well, let me ask
you about what somrepublicans and in fact what the president is calling for, and this is for there now to be annvestigation into the origins of the mueller report, of the origins of this investigation. is thanecessary now after what we... after what mr. mller as been through? >> this is not a new investigation. ei need to remind the virs and the things we've been doing over the past few weeks, we have beee ing transcripts. we started with bryce orr, lisa page, peter strouk, today we did mr. papadopoulos. this was on the investigation that started all the way with the e-mail investigation that came through the original russia investigation which led us to the mueller itivesti. what we're looking at here is you need to understand the corruption and the proems that were at d.o.j. and.b.i. through the cabral of page and
strouck and mccabe that got us to where we are now. hyou have to understand beginning to understand the end. what we're looking for is saying, let's make sure itpp doesn't again. bill barr has said he's willing to look into that. he said th hat inis confirmation hearing. we're providing that for transparency heaf:ng. >> woodrif i'm not mistaken, all those individuals are now gone from thepa justice ment or the f.b.i. what is the purpose then of the investigation? >> well, bruce orr iot gone. he's still there. the question is how did this happen? was there politicisation in the last administration starting back with frankly an e-mail atvestigation involving a presidential candat the time in which the attorney isneral had already said and we see that from a page's transcript that said we're not going to go down a gross negligence claim here. we're going to say that it was a different standard.o in otherds, saying we're not going to find her guilty even if we found heruilty evebefore we interviewed her. that's department of justice leaning on the f.b.i. does that still exist?
bill barr is in your department. is there constituent politicisation that could cause this to happen again. >> woodruff: so you're calling for further investigatio is this something you think your constituents in georgia support? >> my constituents in georgia and all across this country support the truth. what they have just found is th tr the mueller investigation. and since when is it wrong for congress tou prsue and oversight something that affects everybody? there is not a person in this untry that does not, democrat, republican, independent, or no political view at all, that does not want their department of justice and their f.b.i. to be blind to carrying out the laso no matter who they are or what status they have. what we found was a two-tie justice system, one for basically hillary clinton and others, and one for ndidate trump, even when russia was interfering, we saw the hacking that was going on, but they chose to focus on a campaign and not the russians. this is something we need to look at. do believe people want the truth. >> woodruff: in a sentence, you're saying you don't have confidenr that. barr is in charge of the justice department
ust?g hat you can tr >> that is not what i said. you said i believe bill barr will get to e bottom of what is going on at the justice department and restore its integrity after the previous straight -- administration and others had brought that down. >> woodruff: all rigt. representative doug collins, thank you for joining us. >> judy, thank you, it's good to be with you. >> woodruff: we appreciate it. >> woodruff: let's get the perspective now of a former federal prosecutor.ar preet bhwas the u.s. attorney in charge of the southern district of new york. his new book is "doing justice," and he joins us now from san francisco. preet bharara, thank you very much. i should say you were right last week when you told us i think it was on wednesday tharsyou heard ruhe mueller report was coming out last week. it turned out it was coming out. we haven't seen yet, buit was turned over to the justice department. my first question to you, though, is you have said that the summary by the attorney general of the mueller report is i think you id a sanitized, streamlined, highly abridged
version, faz you don't trust it. why not? >> i'm not saying i don't trust it. i think we whed to kno the full report describes. with respect to the first partum of themary letter, it seems fair. it seems like he's getting across what rte mueller re was intending to get across, because obviously there is a huge discrepancy with what bill barr says about it and what the mueller report says about it. we'll know about tt in relatively short order i hope. ulmately that was bb mueller and his team could not establish a crime in connection withwi collusion anh interference in the election in 2016. llth respect to the second part of the mue report on obstruction, i think that's where there is some troleme language in the letter. it's clear that bob mueller found substantial evidence of obstruction. be also found other facts that might mitigate stantial evidence that he found such that almost by definition there issu tantial evidence if you think it's such a close question you can't make a dcision aut
whether or not the president committed a crime. he took the extraordinary stept of almticipating that which the president says at every turn when there is anyha documenttouches upon these issues at all, robert mueller s made it clear to say toes not exonerate the president. that raises a lot of questions. >> woodruff: but what the attorney general wrote in his letter was, and i'm quoting here, he said, "the special counsel's decision to describi the facts of obstruction investigation without reaching any legal cnclusion leaves it to the attorney general to determine whether the conduct constitutea crime." >> right. that's a very clever sentence, and it's good lawyering, and maybe good damage control by the sitting attorney general, because nowhere does it say thae bob muintended for the decision to be made by the attorney general. it's kind of odd that he would be making that decision, stepping in and taking the authority to make that dcisi when the whole purpose of having sospecial counsel if the first place was to havone of some independence, some removed from the department with an arm's-length distance from the president and the issues
involved to make a decision about this as opposed to the specifically appointed attorney general who served the president, who by theay, also has a track record of having prejudged the issue of obstruction by sending an unsolicited memo on the point before he knew all the facts and before he ces in the jus department. he seized the opportunity because in the asence of bob mueller making a conclusion, i guess he thought there was something of a void, and tr than allowing what it seems i think reasonable readewould think mueller intended to do, which is punt it to congress, he stepped in and drew his own conclusions during the course of about 48 hours when it tok robert mueller almost two years and still couldn't come to a firm conclusion abut what the right result would be. t woodruff: but do you think the public, do yink you and others can be satisfied if some version of the mueller report is released, maybe not l of it, but some of it is redacted for mple?ity reason, for exa do you think you can come to a conclusion that everybody or most of us can agree it's
something we can have confidence in? >> i'm glad you amended to mosot s, because i don't know there is anything in any regard any of these mtters that will please everybody. but i'm a former federal prosecutor i understand the interest in preserving classified information and sources andr methods and ogatory information that may be the subject of grand jury secrecy material, but my view is make as much available as quickly as possible and then people can fight aboucertain redactions. we saw the mueller team over time put in brief after brief and memo after memo on short orderecontacting some thgs. we can fight about it later. but the more that becomes public as quickly as possible, the larger the constituency will be that finds some satisfaction with what's been released. >> woodruff: what do you make of republican calls, the president calling, we heard i from congressman collins, to investigate basically the origins of the tru investigation to, go back and look at what happened inside the department of justice, inside the f.b.i.?
>> well, as the ranking member said just before i came on, they have done that for a period of time. evy single person that mentioned that he thought had engagein some nefarious conduct i believe has testified before congress. gressok, it's fine for con to do oversight. i worked in the senate for four half years. i helped to conduct oversight, as well, the problem is if it looks like it's a vindictive, you know, sort of reactive payback kind ofituation that doesn't advance anyone's understanding of anything. by the way, if there's going to be some upsetness over how the investigation was conducted and you know in particular the way erobert mueller, who hasen described as conducting a witch hunt over and over and over and over again byhe president then maybe the investigation if stose folks are being honest and honorable, shoult with rod rosenstein, who is the person that put robert mueller in position knowing full well i think what the origins of the investigation were and the scop of the investigation and everything else. and he was overseeing it oher
other -- over a period of time. if there is such an investigation, it neer ds to be cl's in the business of getting to the truth and facts i opposed to being some retaliation for estigation that ended up i think, you know, sting closed in a way that mo people think is honorable. >> woodruff: in a word you're saying it does loovindictive what they're trying to do? >> it looks vindictive in pare t becau have a president who has constantly overtime lashedh out at peopleseek to investigate him or investigate people around him and coddle people, no matter what their positions, are if they seem to be on his side. so over and over and over again, whether you're talking about the cnn e rger, which may havbeen done appropriately or may not have been donrle proy, but every time you have the leader of the united states of america making it look like it's payback or retaliation, that doesn't help people's understanding of what's happening. >> woodruff: former federal prosecutor preet bharara, we thank you. >> thank you.
>> woodruff: it's a question with the potential to generate sea changeerican politics: orn states go too far when they draw maps that fne political party over the other? that was the issue before the u.s. supreme court today. amna nawaz has more. >> nawaz: in a pair of cases that could prove to be the most consequeial of the term, justices heard challenges to congressional maps drawn by north carolina republicans and maryland democrats to maximize their chances of winning. marcia coyle is chief washington correspondent for the "natiol law journal." she was in the courtroom for the arguments. welcome back to the news hour-hour. >> good feedback. nawaz: so the question is not is this openly partisan. what is the question the justices arerying to answer? >> well, the justices are trying
to get at excessive partnership. as yo say, partisanship is inherent in the process of redrawing congressional and state legislative lines, but when does it go so far that it violates the constitution? and what part of the constitution? so the justices today were hearing a variety of different tests from those wo cllenged the maps in north carolina and a single congressional district in maryland, trying to give them what the court has been looking for for decades, a mananageable rd to determine whether partisanship has ge too f. >> nawaz: when you say "looking at it for decitades," worth pointing out this is an issue they have considered many times before. >> well, they have. they just had two cases last term, a challenge to wisconsin's state legislative maps and the marylandase that was heard today also came last term, but the justices there didn't get to the merits of whether these were excessivy partisan.
instead they sent them back to the lower courts on a more technical isske standing to sue, whether the plaintiffs, the challengers had a right to sue. >> nawaz: sohe maryland cates is back beore them. the north carolina case is new. i want to point something out, when they mention partisan ofrrymandering, this map is from common cause, onhe groups challenging the political gerrymandering there. that line is a district line. that cuts right through the campus of the nation's largest historically black college,ts basically bishe campus, dividing those two populations and diluting them into two strong republican districts. that kind of stuff goes on all the time. it's crazy when you look at map like that. i have questions. but what were the questions the justices were asking today? >> well, again, the focus is on do the courts have a role the play here? the constitution, the elections clause dove the authority to state legislatures to redistrict. the courts have a role?
if they do have a role, what is that standard? the courts in prior cases have said at times it'su jst no... there is not a manageablean rd for weighing excessive partisanship. the judges were asking a variety of qustions. justice gorsuch said maybe the states are dealing with this problem already. i know in colorado and some other states, he said, they've proved to enact ind bipartisan commissions. so he said he senses a lot of movement. in this ar. but justice kagan was like, no, no, and the challenger said no also, because there are about 30 states that don't have those commissions. and the census is coming up, the 2020 census, and there will be redistricting right after that, as well. so the court has been told the are the only ones that can solve the problem now. >> n maz: and it witer what they say, whether they
decide to rein ii ths practice or not because what? what is at stake in this decion in. >> okay. justice ginsburg has called this our precious right to vote. if you aavoter know that the outcome of an election in your b district hen pre or daned, you are not going to vote, or if you have been, as ty call, packed and cracked into some of those districts like the one you just showed, the value of your vote is eroded. the right to vote, that precious right to vote is a fundamental of our democracy. that's what's at at stake. so if there are no limits on excessive partisan gerrymandering, we may continue to see legislatures go wholehog in drafting district lines in a way to enhance continued control by the party that is drafting the lines. >> nawaz: marcia coyle, "the "national law journal" always good to talk to you.
>> my pleasure. >> woodruff: on sunday, much of the world came t"wether to mark ld t.b. day." tuberculosis doesn't get the same attention as h.i.v. or malaria, or ebola, or even influenza, but it recentlyse surph.i.v./aids to become the leading infectious killer in the world. there were more than 10 million new cases last year alon there hasn't been a treatment breakthrough for 40 years, but as hari sreenivasan reports, the tide may be starting to turn. >> sreenivasan: dalene von delft was leading a happy fe. the young south african physician was married to a classmate from medical school, and well on her way to being a pediatric surgeon, wheshe got what felt like a bad cold, including a cough that wouldn't go away.hi >> i i just decided, i must go for an x-ray. i can remember walking into the dark room and just seeing mo x-ray and i such a fright. i could see the whole left top anrt of my lung. there was a holeit was just destroyed.
i couldn't believe is my x-ray, because it looked bad. >> sreenivasan: it was tuberculosis, or t.b.: a contagious bacterial infection that most commonly attacks the lung it spreads from person to person through the air, through coughing or speaking. for dalene, the news was even e. >> i was at home and this email came through, unfortunately, with the news that i got multidrug-resistant t.b. >> sreenivasan: for zolelwat sifumba, iarted with a swollen lymph node when she was still in medical school.er >> there's ain way t.b. looks when it's in your lymph node. so, the doctor who knew i was an medical stturned it into a lesson. he was like, "hey, do you know what caseous necrosis is?" and i was like, "t.b.!" and then he's like, "yes, you've n t it." then oa saturday morning, i got a phone call. they said, "now look, your sults have come back. you've got m.d.r." >> sreenivan: multi-drug resistant t.b., or m.d.r., is especially dangerous.
properly treated, t.b. is curable, but the antibiotics that usually do the trick, don't work against m.d.r. the rain has evolved to be resistant against standard drugs. even with the best of care, there were nguarantees. >> meaning there was a 40% chance that i was going to die. >> sreenivasan: neither zolea nor dalene knew exactly how or n en they'd been infected, but doctors who work ispitals, around sick patients, are at higher risk. the m.d.r. treatment wasng grue more than 20 pills a day, as well as daily injections that cause devtating side effects: nausea, vomiting, exhaustion, brain fog and a 50% chance of permanent deafness. >> i absolutely love music, and i've always been playing piano and listening to music. i used to sing in choirs, and we used to win national competitions. i couldn't imagine a life of silence.
>> sreenivasan: von delft's hearing was fading, thice of the injections that were saving her life. her husband arne recalls the excruciating choice. >> i mean, when dalene was starting to lose her hearing, the first doctor said, "well, it's deaf or dead." but deaf or dead is not a fair choice, and it's a treatment that cses it, not the disease. >> sreenivasan: zolelwa sifumba, the medical student, was receiving e same, painful injections. >> the pain from the injection, i'd describe it as hot lava being injected into you. it's difficult to sit, to stand, to sleep, to wal .> sreenivasan: thoughts of suicide are comm >> there wasn't a day that went by that i didn't think about killing myself. >> sreenivasan: as tough as it is, the treatment can save lives. but, many patients are never
properly diagnosed. others can't find the drugs, or they're too expensive. and many can'ttick to such a long and rigorous treatment. worldwide, only one in four people with m.d.r. receives proper care. >> i realized, as a white south african doctor, i had access to the best treatment. i realized how extremely lucky i was. >> sreenivasan: dalene's luck began to turn when, through a special research program, she was able to receive a new medication. bedaquiline was the first significant new t.b. drug in 40 years. it helped her gain a full recovery, while preserving the rest of her hearing. having beaten the m.d.r. strain of t.b., and the treatment side effects,on delft made a tough decision. she gave up hedream of being a surgeon, and launched "t.b. proof," a non-pr it that pushes for new treatments and helps patients to access the existing drugs. >> we need new drug and we need
better diagnostics, but it is possible if we have the political will. >> sreenivasan: when she paid a visit to sifumba's medical school, the younger woman was moved to join the fight. >> dene was sharing her stor and i couldn't relate to her life or anything like that, but i could relate to the side effects that she had had. i could relate when dalene spoke about rejection, i cou relate when she spoke about stigma. reenivasan: in june of 2 the south african government officially replaced the injectables with bedaquline. sifumba rejoiced. >> i felt like, for the first time, they were listening to our cry.re >> senivasan: after completing treatment, she went on to honish medical . >> i'm that one intern who's like, "oh, you've got d.r.!
you know i had m.d.r.?" and they're likeke"what?" i'm "yeah, but you know, i know it's difficult, but you're going toake it through." >> sreenivasan: despite the severe side effects, both zolelwa sifumba and dalene von delft survived the grueling treatment. for future m.d.r. patients, better options are finally more available. bedaquiline, which is ed by the u.s. f.d.a., and a secona drug, with appby european regulators, are both now in wider use. cad just this month, clini trials on a third drug were promising enough that the f.d.a. put it under priority review. after decades of dead ends, the path forward finally looks brighter. for the pbs newshour, i'm hari sreenivasan. >> woodruff: it has been another painful week for the community at marjorytoneman douglas high school in parkland, florida. there have been two apparent suicides within a week. one was a sophomore who has not
been identified. the other was 19-year-old sydney aiello, who was a senior last year when a mass shooting took the lives of 17 of her fellow students.dn 's mother said her daughter was friends with one os the studho died that day, struggled with survivor's guilt, and was diagtrsed with post matic stress disorder. g e school district and the community are work provide more treatment, counseling and treach for anyone in nee and it has raised once again questis about what can be done to help young people cope. that is the focus of our education segmt this week, w wiliam brangham. a warning: we will be discussing a very disturbing subject with explicit questions. >> brangham: the news from parkland this week has clearly shaken many in the florida community-- and elsewhere-- and it's led to even greater efforts to help those who are struggling. we should also say from the outset that suicide is preventable. suicidal thoughts have complex
roots and often multiple causes. we're going to talk about all peat in a moment. we also want to lele know that if you or someone you know may be considering suicide, there are places to call and text where you can get immediate help. we'll post that information on screen during this conversation. i'm joined now by dr. kelly posner gerstenhaber. she's a psychiatrist at columbia university, and director of the lighthouse project there to prevent suicide. and, ryan petty. his 14-year-old daughter, alaina, was murdered in the ooting last year in parkland. he then started the "walk-up foundation" to help reducean school violenchelp those at risk. both have been working with the parkland community. i welcome yu beth to th news hour. dr. posner gerstenhaber, first to you, many peple are anguished over the news that has tcome out of parkland abose two young people, and obviously people are connecting it to the tragedy that happened there last year. how doou wat kids and parents
all over the country to be thinking about this, to beng proceshis? what do you want them to know? >> well, let me start with the good news. suicide is preventable. there is help. there is hope. and there is treatment. and many people who suffer in silence just don't know that. we often make the mistake and think that people suffering in silence wil come to us and they'll know when to reautch for help, and hey often don't. what we know is in geheneral biggest cause of suicide is a treatable medical illness cald depression. but we don't think of that like we think of cancer. we wouldn't ever say the word "choice" when it comes to cancer. then when you add on top of that these horric traumas and potentially p.t.s.d., then we know the risk for peoplfeeling like that want to end their lives just goes up that much more. but as said, we can actually save lives, and how do we begin
to do tha you know that 50% of people who die by suicide have seen their primary care doctor the month before they die. we should be asking questions orthe way we monor blood pressure. maniedy adolescents are not at e doctor for psych but that's not enough. many people, particularly vulnerable people, will never get close to a doctor. we know we have the find them where they live. we have to put the method of identification to find people who suffer in silence in the hands ofry evedy, loved ones, parents, teachers, coaches, so we can actually find the peple suffering in silence before it's too late and connect them the life-saving care that they need. >> brangham: ryan petty, i wonder if you can tell us how things are in parkland ri now. i know qoi were at one of these
meetings after the most recent loss of one of the students there. can you tell us how the community is rponding? >> you know, the community feels apprehensive at this point. i think this is yet a newrauma that we're experienceing in the aftermath just a little over a year from when we lost 17 souls due to tue unfte school shooting. so i think the community still is uncertain about what's next. there's clearly trauma that has not been dealt with. and the community needs a bit of hope and re tassurance is point. >> brangham: the things that . posner gerstenhaber is talking about, these techniques that she has helped develop and i know you have ben tryg to promote within the community to get parents and otheepeo around young people to reach out
to them, are people reeptive t that idea? >> you know, unfortunately it seems like sometimes it takes a tragedy to get people to be ready to listen. the good news is, andr. posner gave us great news, this is as. treatable illn we can help those that are hurting, those that are suffering, oftentimeoin silence,t knowing how to get help they need themselves. we have the tools with the columbia protocol to be abe to identify those that are at risk and then, of course, there's access to resources, and we can talk more about that. >> brangham: dr. posner l,rstenhaber, i know you dropped this protohe columbia protocol, which is a series of questions you argue anyone can really ask someone who might be considering suicide. what are you hoping to illicit
with those questio? >> these few simple questions help us for the first timeho identifys at imminent risk and helps us identify the important suicidal thoughts anda suicidions that we need to ask. for example, have you thht about ending your life, and if so, have you had any intention to act on those thoughts? nave you started to do anything, prepared to dohing to end your life, like collecting pills, writing a note, things we know we need tsk to connect the right people to care that need it. one of the things that can be really helpful in these times of tragedy arede studentnd community-led interventions, and we know that in addition to the potency of this method or this language, having a common language to put around these issues is an intervention in and of itself. it building coh it builds connectedness. >> brangham: ryatyn peti'm
curious to ask you, one of the concerns i know wnever suicide occurs is that there is a great deal of concern about how we talk about icide ande way, the terms we use, the way in which we talk abofeut it, for ar that it might, i think the term of art is that it might be contagious. is tha tsomething that youalk to community members in parkland about? >> we did. i think it's particularly important toderstand and to be responsible, to have the media be responsible with how it's reported and how we talkon about it ocial media. but, you know, what dr. posner just told us should be music to all of our ears. we can all be part of the solution. we can all b involved. and it requires us to talk about it. it requires us to recognize that there should not ba stigma associated with this. this is a disease just like any other. we wouldn't be afraid to talkt
abmebody with cancer or somebody with a broken limb. we would hp them sek treatment and get them the help that they need. so we need to treat this the same way. we ned to be willing to have those conversations, and the beauty of the protocol, the columbia protocol that dr. posner and her colleagues have put together is that anyonú as a community, we don't have to sit become and feel powerless, we can feel like 're part of a solution. i heard her say a minute ago, it really does help in our own personal trauma. >> brangham: ryan petty and hr. kelly posner, thank you bot for your time and thank you for your work. >> thank you. >> woodruff: she's aal legend. the star of sitcoms, movies, and broadway. not to mention, a retail mogul.
reba mcentire sat down with amna nawarecently, for a revealin chat about the changes she'd like to see in country music, how she got to the top, and what it took for her to get there. it is part of our regular series onarts and culture, "canvas." >> it's a walk down mory lane. n >>awaz: over the evolution of her career, reba mcentire's music has undergone an evolution of its own. ♪ no good, two-timin' lies comin' out of your mouth ♪bo >> nawaz: she'osted the bass, cranked the electric guitars... >> nawaz: ...and turned up the flash. >> nawaz: for four decades, the reigning queen of country music has changed with the times, churning out hit after hit after hit. gai'm a survivor ♪ like an old h song >> nawaz: but it wasn't until 2019, mcentire says, that she could finally get back to her musical roots.re ♪ and t no whiskey stronger than the truth ♪ >> every time i would try to do
something very country, you know, the record label or sobody would want me to go more contemporary, or what mainstream is at the time, or what radio was playing at the me. it's just back to basics for me. >> nawaz: why was that important r you to do at this stag >> it's my heart. it's me. i'at this stage, been wanting to do it forever, but finally, i get to. >> nawaz: henew album, "stronger than the truth," drops april 5. it'scentire's first country album since her split with narvel blastock, her husband of 26 years, and long-time manager. >> we're talking "tammy wynette" kind of pain. >> music is very healing. if you bring something tha hurts you out into the open, into the light, the darknessaw seems to g. you've confronted it. iu've addressed it. and then you can lgo. >> nawaz: it's like naming your fears, right? it's like, once you say itut loud, it's less scary.
>> yeah, your hurt and fears. absolutely. let them go. >> hi, i'm reba mcentire. >> nawaz: for decades, mcentire has led the charge for women in country music, even hosting the academy of country music awards 15 times. she'll host again this year, and spoke out on cbs when the top category failed to include a single female nominee. >> i'm missing my girlfriends on this. disappointing. didn't surprise me but when anything ke that happens, i just know us gals got to work harder. we got to support each other. we've got to get in there next year. it's got to change. >> nawaz: you recently called out "bro culture" too in country musi what do you mean by that? >> well, it's the bro trend. you know, "bro, t's go down to the river and catch some fish." and everybody's a good ol' boy. and that's the bro music. i think it's kind of going away from that a little bit. trwould really like it to get back to the realg country, the country of merle haggard, conway twitty, ronnie milsap,
mel tillis. i miss that kind of country. >> nawaz: mcentire was raised to love that kind of country, on a cattle ranch in chockie, oklahoma. ♪ ♪ three of the children: reba,pa , and susie, performed as "the singing mcentires," coached by their mother, jacqueline. >> pake and susie and i would be in the living room rehearsing, practici, learning a new song, and mama would be in there cooking dinner. and we'd say, "okay, we got it to where we think it's about right!" and she come in there with the ula and she'd say, "all right, sing it for me." she'd listen, and she'd go, "that was perfect.n. now do it ag she'd go back to frying potatoes. >> nawaz: the siblings toured local rodeos, clubs, and dance halls, singing what they knew. >> the very first song that i ever sang in a studio with pake and susie, in 1971, was "the ballad of john mcentire." >> nawaz: do you remember how it goes? oh, yeah! ♪ gather round me, boys got a story ut tell ♪ a friend of mine
that you all know well ♪ he's an old cowhand and he's knownear and far ♪ he goes by the name of john mcentire. ♪ you know, we really weren't supposed to say "tar," but it ymes with far. ( laughter ) >> nawaz: but it was a 1974 solo performance in oklahoma city, when 19-year-old mcentire sang the "star spangled banner" at the national rodeo finals, that caught the ear of country star red steagall. the next year, mcentire signed her first record deal, stepping into a spotlight that's stayed with her for over years, and has yet to dim. ♪ ♪ 29 studio records, 35 number one hits, and 56 million albums sold worldwide. the songs, she says, helped her navigate the lows. ke in 1991, when she lost eight band and team members in a
plane crash.si her mcentire says, helps her to keep going. like the rags to riches tale of "fancy." ♪ she said "here's your one chance, fancy, ♪ don't let me down." >> she's a survivor. >> nawaz: that speaks to you. >> yeah. >> nawazwhy does that speak to you? >> well, it's a strong woman. a survivor. she could have just rolled over and died, and totally give up. but she didn't. she persevered and did, hat she had survive. >> nawaz: that has been a theme. and in not just yo songs, but your life. >> yeah. u nawaz: what is it that tell yourself in those moments? how do you keep moving forward? >> the alternative is not a possibility. it's not even a suggestion to me to quit. i'm not quitter. i persevere. i continue on. how about that hair? >> nawaz: hairstyle, number one. are you going to bring this back? >> no. no. no. that's a perm!e
>> nawaz: thhalls of mcentire's nashville office are lined with hallmarks of her career. there's a statue of her in that famous red dress. ♪ ♪ >> daddy told me, he said, he asked me when we got through with the awaat night, he said, "reba, did you have that thing on backwards?" ( laughs ) >> nawaz: there are the albums-- 27 of them certified gold,in pl or multi-platinum. aere's memorabilia from 11 movies, countlewards shows and her stint on broadway, and from her sitcoms, one of which ran for six se >> let's be perfectedly clear. the color is svenning. it'sthing else that's freaky. >> calm down, reb >> well, i was the first female to ever be colonel sders.
>> they put fringe on my outfit for me, so >> nawaz: just for you? >> just for me. nawaz: and mcentire say >> nawaz: buall the success, mcentire says, has not been without sacrifice-- something she hinted at in an earlier terview. you said, "there's a lot of people, a lot of girls, singers, but you said, "they don't have the drive. they don't have the work ethic. ey're not willing to sacrifice what it takes to do this." what did you mean by that? >> just that. they want it. but they don't want to have to do everything you have to do to get there.ay you have to way from home a lot. you have to leave your kids home with a nanny. u have to say no to a lot of great things that you would get to do at home and with family. like missing your kid's championship hockey game. you can't be there because you're shooting a movie in l.a. a lot of that stuff-- i wish, if i could go back, what would i do? how would i do it again now,
knowing what i know now? grt you can't look back. you can't live on s. >> nawaz: you wouldn't do it differently if you had to? >> i don't know. >> nawaz: it sounds like you think about it. >> yeah, i do. i do. but, like i said, there's no need of crying over spilt milk.g you ju to go on. but my past isritten. it's in the autobiography, 1994. ( laughs ) r? nawaz: reba's next chap amplifying other female artists, including her daughter-in-law, kelly clarkson, who celebrated her at last year's kennedy center honor ♪ ♪ >> nawaz: in the meantime, mcentire says, she'll continue to write her own story. for the pbs newshour, i'm amna nawaz,n nashville.
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