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ng sponsored by newshour productions, llc >> woodruff: good evening. i'm judy woodruff. on the newshour tonight:es dent trump heads to capitol hill, as the mueller report divides lawmakers along political lines. then, redrawing the map. the supreme court hears arguments in two cases on how voting districts are set. plus, e queen of country, reba mcentire, on how she's tapping into her musical roots.e >> time i would try to do something very country, youow the record label or somebody would want me to go more contemporary, or what mainstream is at the time, or what radio was playing at the time. so, it's just back tcs for me. >> woodruff: all that and more, on tonight's pbs newshour.
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strongly, no collusion, noo obstruction, nthing. >> desjardins: described by senators he lunched with as having particular energy, the president told reporters he wants to turn to policy now. >> the republican party will soon be known as the party of healthcare.u tch. >> desjardins: this, aftun special col robert mueller's investigation into alleged ties between the trump campaign and russia concluded, and a summy y by attorneneral william barr said it found no collusion-- but reached had no conclusion on obstruction of justice. as they await the report itself, leaders disagree on how ch should be released. republicans, like senate majority leader mitch mcconnell, iny barr should redact any that could harm other investigations. >> throwing innocent people under the bus, and throwing open classified records, doesn't strike me as a good idea. >> desjardins: democratic leaders, including senator chuck
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schumer, want every page. >> our main thrust on this issue is simply transparency. release the report and then come to conclusions. >> desjardins: it is not a request. six house democratic committee airs wrote to barr monday night, demanding he release the full mueller report to congress by april 2. the letter said that congress should be able "to make an independent assessment of the r evidencearding obstruction of justice." house intelligence chairman adam schiff, one of the six names on that letter, told the newshour that barr and deputy attorney general rod rosenstein's own writings in the past make them biased and unreliable arbiters. but, speaker nancy pelosi and other democratic leaders in the house focused publicly today on health care and new democratic legislation,ownplaying russia and impeachment talk. >> some in this toed were obseith the russia investigation... >> desjardins: hakeem jeffrich rs the house democratic caucus:
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>> strengthening the affordable care act, protecting people with preexisting conditions, increased pay and a real infrastructure plan. that is what house democrats are focused on. >> desjardins: impeachment is still on t mind of freshman representative rashida tlaib of michigan. the democrat is circulating this letter, obtained by the newshour, asking for an impeachment inquiry. as for the democrats who hope to be president, they are not raising the mueller report on the campaign trail. but, the outlet tmz did raise it to candidate and senator elizabeth warren, catching a train back to d.c. monday: >> i just spent the last two days doing public events in new ha i took a ton of questions. and you know how many questions i got about the mueller report?. ze people want to know about the things that touch their lives everyday.ja >> dins: but at the capitol, investigations remain a part of everyday life, from both parties. today, the house judiciary rmmmittee agreed on a republican push for more inion about the actions of former f.b.i.
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director andrew mccabe, and whether he tried to remove the president. fothe pbs newshour, i'm li desjardins. >> woodruff: and we eturn to the mueller investigation, right after the news summary. in the day's other news, the u.s. house of representatives upheld president trump's veto of a measure to block his national emergency declaratio in all, 248 lawmakers voted to override, but that was 38 sht of the two-thirds majority needed. the emergency declaratlong the southern border, still faces multiple legal challenges. meanwhile, republicans and democrats alike denounced pentagon plans for using military funds to pay for a southern border wall. at a house hearing, they challenged acting defense secretary patrick shahan. he said he had had a very diicult discussion with th white house. >> we said, here are the risks longer-term to the department, and those risks were weighed.
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and then, given the legal order from the commander in chief, we are executing on that order. >> woodruff: shanahan has informed congress that he wants to shift as much as $1 billion in his budget to the border wall project. in chicago, television actor jussie smollett is now a free man. the state today abandoned charges that he staged an attack on himself. yamichalcindor has our report. >> alcindor: in a stunning turnabout, the state's attorney's office announced ital had droppe16 charges against smollett.la it gave no etion. >> i've been truthful and consistent on every single level thnce day one. i would not be my 's son if i was capable of one drop of what ie been accused of.
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>> smollett claimed he was the victim of a racist, anti-guy attack. >> there is no deal. the state dismissed the charges. >> the office did make a deal. they would drop the chaesf smollett perform community service and forfeited 10,000 in bail. today the prosecutor's decision was blasted. >> they chose to hide behind secrecy and broker a deal. >> may rahm emanuel barely contained his fury. >>his is a whitewash of justice. >> smollett told police tw men beat him, tied a noose around his neck and yelled "this is magga countryf erring to president trump's make amaer great.
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today the mayor said smollett to advantage of hate crime laws and got away with it. >> to self-promote your career is a cost that comes to all the individuals, guy men and wo men whwill come forward and one day say they were vm of a hate crime who now will be doubted. >> supporters of the or disagree. smollett's family leased a statement that said his name had been unjustly smeared. for the pbs "newshour," i'm yamiche alcindor. >> woodruff: the state of oklahoma, and the maker of oxycontin, purdue pharma, ached a $270 million settlement today over the opioid epidemic. it is the first such outcome in a wave of lawsuits. they accuse drug makers addicting millions of americans to opioids. the sackler family, with controlling interest in purdue pharma, will pay part of the settlement. the long-running battle over the affordable care act-- or obamacare-- is heating up again. last night, the trump administraon asked a federal appeals court to strike down the entire law.
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instead of selected ns in turn, democrats today unveiled a bill to strengthen the law, and they vowed health care will now be a m campaign issue in 2020. democrats' green new deal failed to advance in the u.s. senate today. it would fight climate change with a major shift to renewable energy. republicans gued that it would break the economy, and they tried to force supporters to go on the record. >> it is a big green bomb that will blow a hole in our strong, .althy, and growing econo it's unaffordable. $65,000 per family per year. it would essentially bankrt america. >> we will not allow the republicans to make a mockery oo our atic process and of the debate over the climate crisis. and we are joined by a mov yent of peoplng and old, all across the country, who are mobilized, organized and galvanized to take action now on climate change. >> woodruff: ithe end,
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democrats voted "present" in an act of protest against the publican move. in the middle east, gaza areturned to a kind of caer 24 hours of israeli-hamas fighting subsided. this morning, israeli tanks remained at the gaza border, as people returned to the streets there. in southern israel, schools remained closed. a sunday rocket attack on israel had touched off the fighting. the u.s. supreme court declined today to block a new federal ban on so-called bump stocks. the attachments let a semi- automatic weapon fire like an. machine pe 2017, a gunman in las vegas used one to kill 5le. the ban took effect today, as chief juice john roberts clined a request by gun rights groups to intervene. and, on wall street, stocks rallied after recent losses. the dow jones industrial average gained nearly 141 points to close at 25,65 the nasdaq rose 54 points, and
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the s&p 500 added 20. still to come on the newsh ir: the state estigations into the president now that robert mueller has finished his wk. the supreme court hears arguments on electoral maps. medical advances in the fight against tuberculosis. and, mucmore. >> woodruff: while we wait to see what is in special counsel mueller's report, the action moves to capitol hill. om we heard, there was a bipartisan push he house judiciary committee for the justice department to detail why it began investigating president trump for obstruction of justice. the top republican on that committee, representative dougia collins of geojoins us now from capitol hill.ma
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congrecollins, thank you very much for joining us again on the newshour. first of all, i want to ask you, are you satisfied with thesu ary we've received so far by the attorney general oinwhat's he mueller report, or do you want to see the whole thing? >> well, the summary outlines what's in the eller report. sometimes we make a distinction. the attorney general made it very clear. ris was the top line. this is what teport actually said and what the report actually did. so, number one, it showed there was no collusion. it went even rther than the letter and said, even though they were contacted on severalon occathe trump campaign rebuffed those attempts. it also says that they could not come. the top prosecutors that mueller could find cot come to a conclusion about anything on obstruction. they had the attorney general look at it and decide. and him and rod rosenstein decided there was nothing there. there was no obstruction. so you start with the starting point of the top line. has now in the process of getting us the rest of the report, and we're looking forward to seeing that.
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>> woodruff: do you agree with senator mitch mcconnell, the majority leader in the senate, who yesterday said he's prepared to block a resolution that would call for the full release of the mueller report? do you agree that's correct? >> it de wends onhat we're talking about about a full release. thrney general said he would release everything he legally could. in the house a couple weeks ago, some of my democratic friends want to say they voted for something different, but what they actually voted for was to exactly what the regulation required, and that was that bill barret the report. he's not to include classified information,e or grand jury information or ongoing investigation material that could come forward. other than that he was going to provide everything he possibly could to t i think that's what is what the senate majority leader is talking about, wha'vt wetalked about, and what democrats are on the record as voting for in the thousands make that report. now that it came backith something they don't like, now they're trying to get everything else. >> woodruff: well, let me askt you abat some republicans
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and in fact what the president is calling for, and s for there now to be an investigation into the origins of the mueller report, of the origins of this investigatn. is that necessary now after wha we a...fter what mr. mueller as been through? >> this is not a new investigation. i need to remind the viewers and the things we've been doing over the past few weeks, we have been reletranscripts. we started with bryce orr, lisa page, peter strouk, today we did mr. papadopoulos. this was on the investigation that started all the wayack th the e-mail investigation that came through the original russia investigation which led us to the mueller investigation. what we're looking at here is eyou need to understand t corruption and the problems that were at d.o.j. andb.i. through the cabral of page and strouck and mccabe that got us
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to where we are now. yohave to understand th beginning to understand the end. what we're looking for is saying, let's make sure it a doesn't happain. bill barr has said he's willing to look into that. he sid that in his confirmation hearing. we're providing that for transparency hearingif >> woodruff:'m not mistaken, all those individuals are now gone from theme justice depa or the f.b.i. what is the purpose then of the investigation? >> well, bruce orr ist gone. he's still there. the question is how did this happen? was there politicisation in the last administration starting back with fralnkly an e-m investigation involving a presidential candidate at the neye in which the att general had already said and we see that from lisa page's transcript that said we're not going to go down a gross negligence claim here. we're going to say that it was a different standard.ds in other wosaying we're not going to find her guilty even if we found her gbeilty evefore we interviewed her. that's department of justice leaning on the f.b.i. does that still exist? bill barr is in your detmpt.
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is there constituent politicisation that could cause this to happen again. >> woodruff: so you're calling for further investigation. is this something you think your constituents in georgia support? >> my constituents in georg and all across this country support the truth. what they have just found is tht truth e mueller investigation. and since when is it wrong for congress to pusue and oversight something that affects everybody? there is not a person in thisun y that does not, democrat, republican, independent, or no political view at all, that does not their department of justice and their f.b.i. to be blind to carrying out the law so no matter who they are or what status they have. what we found was a two-tier justice system, one for basically hillary clinton and others, and one for candidate trump, even when russia was interfering, we saw the hacking that was going on, but they chose to focus on a campaign and this is something we need to look at. i do believe people want the uftruth. >> woo in a sentence, you're saying you don't have confidence that mr. barr is in charge of the justice department doing work that you can tr >> that is not what i said.
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you said i believe bill barr will get to thetottom of wha is going on at the justice department and restore its integrity after the previous straight -- administration and others had brought that down. >> woodruff: all right. representative doug collins, thank you for joining us. >> judy, thank you, it's goo wdo h you. >> woodruff: we appreciate it. >> woodruff: let's get the perspective now of a former federal prosecutor. preet bharara was the u.s. attorney in charge of the southern district of new york. w book is "doing justice and he joins us now from san francisco. preet bharara, thank you very much. i should say you were last week when you told us i think it was on wednesday that you heard rumors the mueller report was coming out last week. it turned out it was ming out. we haven't seen it yet, but it waturned over to the justi department. my first question to you, though, is you have said that the summary by the attorney general of the mueller report is i think you said a sanitized, streamlined, highly abridged rsion, faz you don't trust it.
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why not? >> i'm nottr saying i don'ust it. i think we need to know what the full report describes. with respect to the first part of the summary letter, it seems fair. it seems like he's getting across what the eller report was intending to get across, because obviously there is a huge discrepancy with what bill barr says about it and what thes mueller repoys about it. we'll know about that in relatively short order i hope. ultimately that was bob mueller and his team could not establish a crime in connection with collusion and wih interference in the election in 2016. with respect to the second part of the muellport on obstruction, i think that's where there is some tromeuble language in the letter. it's clear that bob mueller found substantial evidence of obstruction. he also found other facts that might mitigate substantial evidence that he found such that almost by definition there is substantial evidence if you think it's such a close question you can't make a decision about whether or not the president
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committed a crime. he took the extraordinary stept of almost icipating that which the president says at every turn when there is anyto document thaches upon these issues at all, robert mueller maoe it clear to say this s not exonerate the president. that raises a lot of questions.w >> woodruff: bt the attorney general wrote in his letter was, and i'm quoting herehe said, "the special counsel's decision to describe the facts of his obstructive igation without reaching any legal conclusion leaves it to the attorney general to determine whether the conduct constitutes a crime." >> right. that's a very clever tence, and it's good lawyering, and maybe good damage control by th sitting attorney general, because nowhere does it say that bob mueller intended for the decision to be made by the attorney general. it's kind of odd that he would be making that decision, stepping in and taking the authority to make that decision when the whole purpose of having a special counsel if the first place was to have someone of some independence, some rmov from the department with an arm's-length distance from the prident and the issues involved to make a decision about this as opposed to the
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specifically appointed attorney general who served the president, who by the way, also has a track record of having prejged the issue of obstruction by sending an unsolicited memo on theoint before he knew all the facts and before he was in the justice department. he seid the opportunity because in the absence of bob mueller making a cons clusion, i gu thought there was something of a void, and rather than allowing what it seein i reasonable reader would think mueller intended to do, which is punt it to cones he stepped in and drew his own conclusions during the course of about 48 hours when it took robert mueller almost two years and stilcouldn't come to a firm conclusion about what the right result would be. >> woodruff: but do you think the public, do you think you and others can be satisfied if some version ofhe mueller rept is released, maybe not all of it, but some of it is redacted for security reason, for example? do you think you can come to a ronclusion that everybody o most of us can agree it's something we can have confidence
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in? i'm glad you amended to most of us, because i don't know there is anthing in any regard in any of these matters that will please everybody. but i'm a former federal prosecutor. i understand the interest ina preserving cssified information and sources and methods and derogatory information that may be the subject of grand jury secrecy material, but my view is make as much available as quickly asen possible and teople can fight about certain redactions. we saw the mueller team er time put in brief after brief and memo after memo on short order recontacting some things. we can fight about it laterre but the hat becomes public as quickly as possible, the larger the constiency will be that finds some satisfaction with what's been released. >> woodruff: what do you make of republican lls, the president calling, we heard it from congressman collins, toba investigatcally the origins of the trump investigation to, go back and look at what ppened inside the department of justice, inside the f.b.i.? >> well, as the ranking member said just before i came on, they
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have done that for a priod of time. every single person that he mentioned that he thought had engaged in some nefarious conduct i believe has testified befo congress. so look, it's fine for congress to do oversight. iorked in the senate for four and a half years. i helped to conduct oversight, as well, the problem is if it looks like it's a vindictive, you know, sort ofa rective payback kind of situation that doesn't advance anyone's understanding of anything. by the way, if there's going to be some upsetness over how the investigation was conducted and you know in particular the way robert mueller, who has been described as conducting a witch hunt over aer and over and over again by the president, then maybe the investigation if those folks arbeing hest and honorable, should start with rod rosenstein, who is the person that put robert mueller in his position knowing full well ith k what the origins of the investigation were and the scope of the investigation and everythinglse. and he was overseeing it other
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other -- over a period of time.s if theresuch an investigation, it needs to be clear it's in the business of getting to the truth and fac ots osed to being some retaliation for an investigation that ended up nki thiyou know, being closed in a way that most people think is honorable. >> woodruff: in a word yo're saying it does look vindictive what they're trying to do? >>t loks vindictive in part because you have a president who has constantly overtime lashed out at people who seek to investigate him or investigate people around him and coddle people, no matter wat their positions, are if they seem to be on his side. so over and over and over again whetu're talking about the cnn merger, which may have been done apropriately or may no have been done properlily, but every time you have the leader of the united states of america making it look like it's payback or rtaliation, that doesn't help people's understanding of what's happening. >> woodruff: former feldera prosecutor preet bharara, we thank you. >> thank you.
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>> woodruff: it's a question icth the potential to generate a sea change in am politics: can states go too far when they draw maps that favor o political party over the other? that was the issue before the u.s. supreme court today. amna nawaz has more. >> nawaz: in a pair of cases that could prove to be the most consequential the term, justices heard challenges to congressional maps drawn by north carolina republicans and maryland democrats to maximize their chances of winning. marcia coyle is chief washington correspondent for the "national law journal." she was in the courtroom for the arguments. welcome back to the news houreour. >> good edback. >> nawaz: so the question is not is this openly partisan. what is the question the justices are trying to answer? >> well, the justices are trying to get at excessive partnership.
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as you say, partisanship is inherent in the process of redrawing congressional and state legislative lines, but en does it go so far that it violates the constitution? and what part of the constitution? so the justices today were hearing a variety o different tests from those who challenged the maps in north carolina and a single congressional district in rtryland, trying to give them what the couas been looking for for decades, a manrdageable stanto determine whether partisanship has gone too far. >> nawaz: when you say "looking at it for dec wades," itth pointing out this is an issue they have considered many times before. >> well, th have. they just had two cases last term, a challenge to wisconsin's state legislative maps and the maryland cas that was heard today also came last term, but the justices there didn't get to the merits of whether these were excessively rtisan. instead they sent them back to the lower courts on a more
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chnical issue, ke standing to sue, whether the plaintiffs, the challengers had a righto sue. >> nawaz: so the maryland cates is back before them. the north carolina case is new. i want to point something out, when they menti partisan gerrymandering, this map is from common cause, one of te groups challenging the political gerrymandering there. that line is a district line. that cuts right through the campus of the naion's largest historically black college, basically bisects the campus, dividing tho two populations and diluting them into two strong republican districts. that kind of stuff goes on all the time. it's crazy when you look at mape hat. i have questions. but what were the questions the justices were asking today? >> well, again, the focus is on do the courts have a role the play here? te constitution, the elections clause does gie authority to state legislatures to redistrict. do the courts have a role? if they do have a role, what is
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that standard? the courts in pror cases have said at times it's jut not. there is not a manageable f standa weighing excessive partisanship. the judges were asking a variett of quens. justice gorsuch said maybe the states are dealing with this problem already. i know in colorado and some other states, he said, they've proved to enact independent bipartisan com.missio so he said he senses a lot of movement. in this area. but justice kagan was like, no, no, and the challenger said no also, because there are about 30 states that don't have thoseco issions. and the census is coming up, the 2020 census, and there will be redistricting right after that, as well. so the court has been told they are the only ones that can solvh problem now. >> nawaz:tnd it will mater what they say, whether they decide to rein in this practice
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or not because what? what is at stake in this decision i >> okay. justice ginsburg has called this our precious right to vote. if you as at er know that the outcome of an election in your district has been pre or daned, you are not goingo vote, or if you have been, as they call, packed and cracd into some of those districts like the one you just showed, the value of your vote is eroded. the right to vote, that precious right to vote is a fundamental of our deocracy. that's what's at at stake. so if there are no limits on excessive partisanri gerryman, we may continue to see legislatures go whole hog in drafting distrines in a way to enhance continued control by the party that is drafting the lines. >> nawaz: marcia coyle, "the "national law journal" always good to talk to you. >> my pleasure.
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>> woodruff: on sunday, much of the world came together to mark "world t.b. day." tuberculosis doesn't get the same attention as h.i.v. or malaria, or ebola, or even influenza, but it recentlyi. surpassed /aids to become the leading infectious killer in the world. there were more than 10 million new caselast year alone. there hasn't been a treatment breakthrough for 40 ars, but as hari sreenivasan reports, the tide may be starting to turn. >> sreenivasan: dalene von delft was leading a happy life. the young south africanys phian was married to a classmate from medical school, and well on her way to being a pediatric surgeon, when she got what felt like a bad cold, including a cough that wouldn't go away. >> i think i just decided, i must go for an x-ray. i can remember walki into the dark room and just seeing my x-ray and i got such a fright. i could see the whole left top part of my lung. there was a hole, and it was just destroyed. i couldn't believe it's my
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x-ray, because it looked bad. >> sreivasan: it was tuberculosis, or t.b.: a b contagioterial infection that most commonly attacks the lungs. it spreads from peon to person through the air, through coughing or speaking. for dalene, the news was even worse. >> i was at home and this email came through, unfortunately, with the news that i got multidrug-resistant t.b. >> sreenivasan: for zolelwaar sifumba, it std with a swollen lymph node when she was still in medical school. >> there's a certain way t.b. looks when it's in your lymph. no so, the doctor who knew i was a medical student turned it into a lesson. s was like, "hey, do you know what caseous necro?" and i was like, "t.b.!" and then he's like, "yes, you've got ." then on a saturday morning, i got a phone call. they said, "now look, your results have come back. you've got m.d.r." >> sreenivasan: multi-drug resistant t.b., or m.d.r., is especially dangerous. properly treated, t.b. is
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curable, but the antibiotics at usually do the trick, don't work against m.d.r. the strain has evolved to be resistant against standard drug even with the best of care, there were no guartees. >> meaning there was a 40% chance that i was going to die. >> sreenivasan: neither zolelwa nor dalene knew exactly how or when they'd been infected, but itdoctors who work in hosps, around sick patients, are ater highisk. the m.d.r. treatment was grueling-- more than 20 pills a day, as well as daily injections that cause devastang side effects: nausea, vomiting, exhaustion, brain fog and a 50% chance of permanent deafness. >> i absolutely love music, and i've always been playing piano and listening to music. i used to sing in choirs, and we used to win national competitions. couldn't imagine a life of silence.
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>> sreenivasan: von delft's e aring was fading, the prof the injections tt were saving her life. her husband arne recalls the excruciating choice. >> i mean, when dalene was startingo lose her hearing, the first doctor said, "well, it's deaf or dead." but deaf or de is not a fair choice, and it's a treatment that causes it, not the disease. >> sreenivasan: zolelwa sifumba, the medical student, was receiving the sa, painful injections. >> the pain from the injection, i'd describe it as hot lava being injected into you. it's difficult to sit, to stand, to sleep, to walk. >> sreenivasan: though suicide are common. >> there wasn't a day that went byhat i didn't think about killing myself. >> sreenivasan: as tough as it is, the treatment can save lives. but, many patients are never properly diagnosed. othersan't find the drugs, or
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they're too expensive. and many can't stick to such a long and rigorous treatment. worldwide, only one in four people with m.d.r. receives proper care. >> i realized, as a white south african doctor, i had access to the best treatment. i realized how extremely lucky i was. >> sreenivasan: dalene's luck began to turn when, through a special research program, she was able to receive a new medication. bedaquiline was the first significant new t.b. drug in 40 years. it helped her gain aull recovery, while preserving the rest of her hearing. having beaten the m.d.r. strain of t.b., and the treatment side effects, von dft made a tough decision. she gave up her dreaof being a surgeon, and launched "t.b. proof," a non-profit that pushes for new treatments and helps patients to access the existing drugs. w need new drug and we needti
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better diacs, but it is possible if we have the political will. >> sreenivasan: when she paid a visit to sifumba's medical school, the younger woman was moved to join the fight. >> dalene was sharing her story, and i couldn't relate to her life or anything like that, but i could relate to the side effects that she had had. i could relate when dalene spoke about rejection, i could relehe when s spoke about stigma. asan: in june of 2018, the south african government officially replaced the injectables with bedaquline. sifumba rejoiced. >> i felt like, for the first time, they were listening to our cry. >> sreenivasan: after completing treatment, she went on to finish medical school. >> i'm that one intern who's like, "oh, you've got m.d.r.! you know i h m.d.r.?" and they're like, "what?"
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i'm like, "yeah, but you know, i know it's difficult, but you're going to make it through." >> sreenivasan: despite the severe side effects, both zolelwa sifumba and dalene von delft survived the grueling treatment. for future m.d.r. patients, better options are finally more available. bedaquiline, which is approved by the u.s. f.d.a., and a second drug, with approval by european regulators, are both now in wider use. and just this month, clinical trials on a third drug were promising enough that the f.d.a. put it under priority review. after decades of dead ends, the path forward finally looks brighter. for the pbs newshour, i'm hari sreenivasan. >> woodruff: it has been another painful week for the community at marjory stoman douglas high school in parkland, florida. there have been two apparent suicides within a week. one was a sophomore who has not been identified.
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the other was 19-year-old sydney aiello, who was a senior last year when a mass shooting took the lives 17 of her fellow students. sydney's mother said herer daugas friends with one of the students who died that day, struggled with survivor's guilt, and was diagnosemawith post trc stress disorder. the school district and the community are working vide more treatment, counseling and outrch for anyone in need. and it has raised once again questions out what can be done to help young people cope. that is the focus of our education segment is week, with william brangham. discussing we will b a very disturbing subject with explicit questions. >> brangham: the news from parkland this week has clearly shaken many in the florida community-- and elsewhere-- and it's led to even greater efforth to hele who are struggling.so we should ay from the outset that suicide is preventable. suicidal thoughts have complex roots and often multiple causes. we're going to talk all
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that in a moment. we also want to let people know that if you or someone you know may be considering suicide, there are aces to call and text where you can get immediate help. we'll post that information on screen during this conversation. i'm joined now by dr. kelly posner gerstenhaber. she's a psychiatrist at columbia university, and director of the lighthouse project there to prevent suicide. and, ryan petty. his 14-year-old daughter, alaina, was murdered in the shooting last year in parkland. he then started the "walk-up foundation" to help reduce school violence and hose at risk. both have been working with the parkland community. i welcome yu both to the news hour. dr. posner gerstenhaber, first to you, many people are anguished over the news that ha come out of parkland about these two young people, and obviously people are connecting it to the tragedy that happened there last year. how do you want kids and parents all over the country to be
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thinking about this, to be processing this? what do you want them to know? >> well, letme start with the good news. suicide is peventable. there is help. there is hope. and there is treatment. and many people who suffer in silence just don't know tha we often make the mistake and think that people suffering in silence will come to us and they'll know when to reach out for help, and hey often don't. what we know is in general the biggest cause of suicide is a treatable medical illness called depression. but we don't think of that like we think of cancer. we wouldn't ever say the word "choice" when it comes to cancer. then when you add on top ofat these hor trifiraumas and potentially p.t.s.d., then we know the risk for people feling like that want to end their lives just goes up that much more. but as i said, we can actually save lives, and how de o wgin to do that?
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you know that 50% of people who die by suicide have seen their primary care doctor the month bere they die. we should be asking questions the y we monitor f blood pressure. maniedy adolescents are nt at th doctor for psychiatric reasons, but that's not enough.o many pple, particularly vulnerable people, will never get close to a doctor. we knod we have the finem where they live. we have to put the method of identification to find people who suffer in silence in the hands of e, veryboved ones, parents, teachers, coaches, so we can actually find the people suffering in silence before it's too late and connect them to the life-saving care that they need: >> brangyan petty, i wonder if you can tell us how things are in parkland righ w. i know qoi were at one of these meetings after theost recent
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loss of one of the students there. can you tell us how the mmunity is responding? >> you know, the community feels apprehensive at this point. i think this is yet a new trauma that we're experienceing in the afteaath just a little ove year from when we lost 17 souls due to the un sfortunahool shooting. so think the community still is uncertain about what's next. there's clearly trauma that has not been dealt with. and the community needs a bit of hope and reassurance at ths point. >> brangham: the things that dr. poer gerstenhaber is talking about, these techniques that she has helped develop and i know you have betoen tryin promote within the community to get parents and other peple around young people to reach out to them, are people receptive to
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that? idea >> you know, unftunately it seems like sometimes it takes a tragedy to get people to be ready to listen. the good news is, and dr. posner gave us great news, this is a treatable illness. we can help those that are hurtin those that are suffering, oftentimes in silence, not knowing how to net help theyd themselves. we have the tools with the columbia protocol to be able to identify those that are at risk and then, of course, there's access to resources, and we can talk more about that. >> brangham: dr. posner gerstenhaber, i know you dropped this protocol, the columbia protocolwhich is a series of questions you argue anyone can really ask someone who might be considering suicide. what are you hoping to illicit with those questions?
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>> these few simple questions help us for the first times identify whot imminent risk and helps us identify the important suicidal thoughts and suicidal actions that we need to ask. r example, have you thought about ending your life, and if so, have you had any intotention ct on those thoughts? have you started to do anything, prepared to do an to end your life, like collecting pills, writing a note, things we skow we need to a to con ct the right people to care that need it. one of the things that can be really helpful in these times of tragedy are student-led and community-led interventions, and we know that in addition to the potency of this method or thi language, having a common language to put around these issues is an intervention in and of itself. it building cohesn. builds connectedness. >> brangham: ryai'n petty, m curious to ask you, one of the
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concerns i know wheneve suicide occurs is that there is a great deal of concern about how we talk about suicide and the way, the terms we use, the wy in which we talk about it, for fear that igh m i think the term of art is that it might be contagious. is that someaing that you tlk to community members in parkland about? >> we did. i think it's particularly portant to unerstand and to be responsible, to have the media be responsible with how it's reported and how we talk about it on social med but, you know, what dr. posner just told us should b music t all of our ears. we can all be part of the solution. we can all be involved. and it requires us to talk about it. it requires us to recognize that there should not be a sgmi associated with this. this is a disease just like any other. we wouldn't be afraid to talk about somebody with cancer or
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somebody with a broken limb. we would help them seek treatment and get them the help that they need. so we need to treat this the same way. we need to he willing toave those conversations, and theau of the protocol, the columbia protocol that dr. posner and her colleagues have put together is that anyonú so as a community, we don't have to sit beco and feel powerless, we can feel like we're part of a solution. i heard her say ain ago, it really does help in our own rsonal tauma. >> brangham: ryan petty and dr. kelly posner, thank you both for your time and thank you for your work. >> tha you. >> woodruff: she's a musical legend. the star of sitcoms, movies, and broadway. not to mention, a retail mog. reba mcentire sat down with amna
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nawaz recently, for a revealing chat about the changes she'd like to see in country music, how she got to the top, and what it took for her to get there. it is part of our regular series onarts and culture, "canvas." >> it's a walk down memory lane >>over the evolution of her career, reba mcentire's music has undergone an evolution of its own. ♪ no good, two-timin' lies comin' out of your mouth ♪ >> nawaz: she's boosted the bass, cranked the electric guitars... >> nawaz: ...and turned up the flash. >> nawaz: for four decades, the reigning queen of country music has changed with the times, churning out hit after hit after hit. ♪ i'm a survivor ♪ like an old haggard song >> nawaz: but it wasn't until 2019, mcentire says, that she uld finally get back to her musical roots. ♪ and there's no whiskey stronger than the truth ♪ >> every time i would try to do something very country, youow
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the record label or somebody would want me to go more contemporary, or whatin ream is at the time, or what radio was playing at the time. it's just back to basi me. >> nawaz: why was that important for you to do at this stage? >> it's my heart. it's me. at this stage, i've been wanting to do it forever, but finally, i get to. >> nawaz: her new album, "stronger than the truth," dps april 5. it's mcentire's first country album since her split with narvel blackstk, her husband of 26 years, and long-time manager. >> we're talking "tammy wynette" kind of pain. >> music is very healing. if you bring something that hurts you out into the open, into the light, the darkness seems to go away you've confronted it. you've addressed it. .and then you can let it >> nawaz: it's like naming your fears, right? it's like, once you say it out loud, it's less scary. >> yeah, your hurt and fears. absotely.
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let them go. >> hi, i'm reba mcentire. >> nawaz: for decades, mcentire has led the charge for women in country music, even hosting the academy of country music awards 15 times. she'll host again this year, and spoke out on cbs when the top category failed to include ano single femalnee. >> i'm missing my girlfriends on this. disappointing. didn't surprise me. but when anything like that happens, i just know us gals got to worharder. we got to support each other. we've got to get in there next year. it's got to change. >> nawaz: yorecently called t "bro culture" too in country music. what do you mean by that?e >> well, it's o trend. you know, "bro, let's go down to the river and catch ish." and everybody's a good ol' boy b and that's t music. i thinit's kind of going away from that a little bit. i would really like it to get back to the real struntry, the country of merle haggard, conway twitty, ronnie milsap,
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mel tillis. i miss that kind of country. >> nawaz: mcentireas raised to love that kind of country, on a cattle ranch in chockie, oklahoma. ♪ ♪ three of the children: reba,an pakesusie, performed as "the singing mcentires," coached by their mother, jacqueline. >> pake and susie and i would be in the living room rehearsing, practicing, learning a new song, and mama would be in there cooking dinner. and we'd say, "okay, we got it to where we think it's about right!" and she come in there with the spatula and she'd say, "all shght, sing it for me." she'd listen, and d go, "that was perfect. now do it again." she'd go back to frying potatoes. nawaz: the siblings toured local rodeos, clubs, and dancell singing what they knew. >> the very first song that i ever sang in a studio with paken susie, in 1971, was "the ballad of john mcentire." >> nawaz: do you remember how it goes? o yeah! ♪ gather round me, boys got a story to t fl ♪ aboutend of mine that you all know well c
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♪ he's an ohand and he's known near and far ♪ he goes by the f john mcentire. ♪ you know, we really weren't supposed to say "tar," but it rhym with far. ( laughter ) >> nawaz: but it was a 1974 solo performance in oklahoma city, when 19-year-old mcentire sang the "star spangled banner" at the national rodeo finals, that caught the ear of country star red steagall.th next year, mcentire signed her first record deal, stepping into a spotlight that's stayed with her for over 40 yearsand has yet to dim. ♪ ♪ 29 studio records, 35 number one hits, and 56 million albums sold worldwide. the songs, she says, helped her navigate the lows.ke n 1991, when she lost eight band and team members in a
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plane crash. her music, mcentire says, helps her to king. like the rags to riches tale of "fancy." ♪ she said "here's yo one chance, fancy, ♪ don't let me down." >> she's a survivor. . nawaz: that speaks to y >> yeah. >> nawaz: why es that speak to you? >> well, it's a strong woman. a survivor.sh could have just rolled over and died, and totally give up. but she didn't. she persevered and did what ure had to, tove. >> nawaz: that has been a theme. and in not just your son, but your life. >> yeah. >> nawaz: what is it that you vill yourself in those moments? how do you keep forward? >> the alternative is not a possibity. it's not even a suggestion to me to quit. i'm not a quitr. i persevere. i continue on. how about that hair? >> nawaz: hairstyle, number one. are you going to bring ts back? >> no. no. no. that's a perm! >> nawaz: the halls of
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mcentire's nashville office are lined with hallmarks of her career. there's a statue of her in that famous red dress. ♪ ♪ >> daddy told me, he he asked me when we got through with the awards that night, he said, "reba, did you have that thing on backwards?" (laughs ) >> nawaz: there are the albums-c 27 of themtified gold, platinum or multi-platinum. there's memorabilia from 11 movies, countless awards shows and her stint on broadway, and from her sitcoms, one of which ran for six seasons. >> let's be perfectedly clear. the color is stunthng. it's eveg else that's freaky. >> calm down, reba. >> well, i was t first female to ever be colonel sanders. >> they put fringe on my outfit for me, so i was a happy camper.
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>> nawaz: just for you? >> just for me. >> nawaz: and mcentire says, >> nawaz: but althe success, mcentire says, has not been without sacrifice-- something she hinted at in an earlier inteiew. you said, "there's a lot of people, a lot of girls, singers, but you said, "they don't have the drive. they don't have the work ethic. they're not willing to sacrifice what it takes to do this." what did you mean by that? >> just that. ey want it. but they don't want to have to do everything you have to do to wat there. you have to stayfrom home a lot. you have to leave your kids home with a nanny.u ve to say no to a lot of great things that you would get to do at home and with family. like missing your kid's championship hockey game. you can't be there because you're shooting a movie in l.a. a lot of that stuff-- i wish, if i could go back, what would i do? how would i do it again now, knowing what i know now?
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but you can't look back. you can't live on regr >> nawaz: you wouldn't do it differently if you had to? >> i don't know. >> nawaz: it sounds like you think about it. >> yeah, i do. i do. but, like i saed, there's no f crying over spilt milk. you just got to go on. but my past is written. it's in the autobiography, 1994. ( laughs ) >> naw: reba's next chapter? amplifying other female artists, including her daughter-in-law, kelly clarkson, who celebrated her atast year's kennedy center honors. ♪ ♪ >> nawaz: in the meantime, mcentire says, she'll continue to wri her own story. for the pbs newshour, i'm amna nawaz, in nashville.
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