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[applause] >> and now, "bbc world news." is jane: s "bbc world news america." reporting from washington, i ame jane o' another blow for the british prime minister. her brexit plans are rejected yet again on the very day these u.k. was supto leave the european union. prime min. may: thisnment will continue to press the case for the orderly brexit that the result of the referendum demands. janethe big question now, wh comes next. as the clockicks down, we will lay out the options. blackouts have plummeted the venezuelans into even more hardship. position is calling for people to come out in protest.
jane: welcome to "world news america." today was supposed to be the day the u.k. left the european iion, but instead, there were more dramatic scenide parliament as mps voted for a third time to reject prime minister theresa may's brexit deal. as things stand now, departure date is april 12 where britain faces leaving with no deal. or it could ask brussels for an extensio which could be a long one. bbc's political editor laura verage.erg starts our it really is such an icon day, much >> what do we 29. >> brexit! >> it isre a great failuhat we are not leaving this evening. laura: crowds on the march push parliament to get on with it. on the day we were due to leave,
mps ask the question, back a deal they hate, or delay. protests brought fruration with parliament. the prime minister brought the deal that would divorce us from the eu to the commons for judgment again. >> ayes to the right, 286. the nos to the left, 344. a closer result than last time out, but a third defeat for theresa may's deal. prime min. may: fr we are reaching the limits of this process in this house. this house -- this house has rejecteno deal. has rejected no brexit. on wednesday, it rejected all the variations of the deal onta the. this government will continue t pre case for the orderly brexit that the result of the referendum demands.
>> this deal now has to change. there has to be an alternative found. and if the prime minister can't accept that, then she must go, not at an indeterminate date in the future, but now. >> we shoulde having a general election. laura: open calls politically are growing in her party, too. >> there is only one thing the prime minister can do, get us out on the 12th of april, get our country back, and deliver what we omise. if we don't, god help us. laura: do you think she should stay in r job? >> no. >> i think iwas inevitable that what just happened was going to hapn, because theresa may once again singularly failed to reach out to peopab. laura: theet still trying to cling on. >> we will have to see the next few hours how we respond. this is a hugely disappointing interest.not in the national laura: the prime minister's
earlier was this was the last chance to make sure we can leave the eu sometime soon. prime min. may: it avoids a lon extensich would have at least delay and could destroy brexit. i have said that i interpret to -- i am prepared to leave this job earlier than i intended to secure the right outcome for our country. when the division bell rings in a few moments' time, every one ofurs will have to look into hearts and decide what is best for ouconstituents and our country. >> this de, even the half of it we have before us today, is bad for our democracy, bad for our economy, and bad for this country. i urge theot houseo be cajoled on this third time lucky strategy and vote it down today. laura: exhaust ministers have ly been able to stand back and watch on. brexiteers made this deal summit
the end of the world. but listen. >> if we say we stand up for 17.4 million people, and we have to get those people what they asked for, to leave ropean union, and this is the only way. laura: and then another. >> i will vote for the motion. the problem i have is i cannot countenance an even longer extension. and i cannot countenance holding european elections in may. laura: and then another. >> most of us don't like the agreement, but it is a damn site better than sticking to finger to the british public and saying we are going to you. >> c this is npromised, mr. speaker. this has been capitulation. laura: and theresa may's allies from northern ireland were not budging.te >> wr means are available to us should this agreement gowi through, w continue to oppose it. laura: what happens next?
tonight, members of the cabinet are not sure. if we know anything about theresa may, it is not impossible that somehow she will come up with another way of trying to get her deal through again. mps are working behind t scenes to come up with a solution, probably a softer brexit that could find a majority in the house of commons sometime soon. in either case it is likely the government will have to ask the eu for a longer extension with conditions attached. they could say no, in which case we might leave the european union without a deal in a uple of weeks.he asleave on the day we were all men to leave, -- all meant ton leave the quest the , country's departure from the eu is far from journeys end. jane: laura kuenssberg there. the rejection of the brexit deal again today means parliament has two weeks until april 12 to ardetermine another way fo what is likely to happen?
our deputy political editor john pienaar looks at the options. john: this may have been theresa may's last chance, and she came up short. by 58 votes, mps voted down the divorce deal shehrashed out with the eu. plenty of battles stile,to c if mrs. may even hopes to regain any control, the hope probably died today. how? tory brexiteer resistance mo crumbled. they feared losing brexit altogether. johnson,rs like boris even jacob rees mogg, who said until today he would oppose the deal so long as the democratic unionists did. but the hard-core stayed firm. dup feared northern ireland could be treated differently to rest of the u.k. for the sake of avoiding a hard border with ireland. jeremy corbyn's labour mps split. five reconcile to brexit back the deal. most helped sink it. so now who is in charge?
mps and cross-party factions are working on their own plans for brexit. a former cabinet minister is organizing a series of votes for next week, hoping most mps can agree on one. th options, a brexit closer to theth e mrs. may deal, maybe under the same customs laws, maybe under market laws. that has been compared to the european common market. a new referendum is an option, ybe tied to whatever brexit deal is chosen in the end. mps who oppose leaving with no dl and believe that parliament would never allow it brexiting revoking off for now or for good. mps could order thela governmeni to adopt the plan mps choose. mrs. may's next move, assuming she is around long enough, doing nothing is not an opti for there will have to be a brexit plan with the withdrawal agreement deal.
mps could try to force their own plans into the bill. a softer brexit may have support. government discipline has all but collapsed. the next eu summit is set for a week on wednesda the eu offered to delay brexit unl may 22 if the prime minister managed to get the terms of divorce through parliament. dlshe has failed, so the de is set for april 12. that is to allow the u.k. to avoid european elections. until there is a final agreement, a no-deal brexit makes possible, the outcome many fear most. but the eu may offer a much longer delay. at if mps demanded new referendum? you thought brexit was close to being settled? think again. they say all political careers ships end inr
failure. most finish better than theresa may's. she is on the verge of leaving number 1with her authority shattered and the future of brexit in deep doubt, demands growing louder for a general election. it is fair to ask, could any leader have done better? either way, there is a long list of contenders keen to move into downing street and try. jane: john pienaar there. laying out the brexit option that is the only thing we do bbcworldcertain, that news will be covering tery twist ann the next few weeks, so stay with us for that. let's look at the days of the race. officials investigating the crash of the boeing 737 max eight in ethiopia have found that a flight control feature that prevents planes from stalling automatically activated before it hit the ground, according to "the wall street journal." it is similar to the lion yr crash lastr. the chicago city government is ordering jussie smollett to pay
$130,000 to cover the cost of the investigationo i alleged assault on him in january. the star ofha "empirebeen accused of staging the attack, and charges against him were k.dropped this w he has always said he is an innocent victim. we now know that the special counsel report delivered by robert mueller to the department of justice was nearly 400 pages long, the redacted version will be released iapril. foromes as the lawyers george papadopoulos, the foreign policy advisor on the trumply campaign, formsked donald trump for a pardon this week. he was the first person convicted in the mueller investigation for lying about foreign contacts. he has a new book, "deep state target," and i sat dowwith him earlier to talk about his actions on the 2016 campaign. thank you very much for joinin me. why do you think you deserve a pardon, and do you think you wi george: my lawyers have applied for a pardon.
it is a legal question. it is in my lawyers' opinion that a pardon is good for me from a legal perspective, but now that more facts and more accurate facts about my story and my background, myen involvwith bob mueller, m and actual involvement with the donald trump campaign and transition team, as it is coming at clearly now, certainly this facts, the ones th probably read by the administration or everyday americans, they will probably thcide what is in their interest and if they believ justice was served or wasn't served in my case. jane: but it doesn't alter the fact that you lied and y t pleaded guilthat. george: i did plead guilty, but people have to understand the context of pleading guilty. when you are 29 years old andin looking at moulegal bills and you are looking at various other charges potentially, including an obstruction of
justice charge, it is something you are making these difficult decision fortunately for me, so much of the information that the fbi and bob mueller characterized and described in my status of offense and charging documents have been debunked that is another reason why my lawyers feel that today, with the new information that we have discovered, in particular about some of these people involved in my story who are not what they elre once characterized or described as, theyve there is a just basis for a pardon. we will see what happens. jane: we still don't know exactly what thesaueller report . do you think it should be released entirely? george: i am a trendous advocate for full transparency. i think now that it has come out, the key question of whether ere was any collusion between the trump campaign and the administration and russia has
been debunked, the question ofru obion never came to a firm conclusion, i think it is in the interest of the country, the president, and the integrity of the entire justice system of the country for the full report to y revealed. jane: do you thi were made a scapegoat, because you were, as you say, part of the campaign? olyou were quite closely id. george: i don't consider myself a scapegoat by t president. i consider myself some sort of scapegoat by the fbi and bob mueller's investigation, and that is part of what my book is about. jane: but to what extent? you agree that was russi interference in the election, so wasn't it right that there was an investigation to clear that up? as you say, they did clear it up. there was no collusion, according to the report. george: i believe every presidential election, whether it was 2016, 2020, 2024, willwa have foreign interference. it is the most highly watched event around the world, and of b
courseieve that russia and other countries tried to interfere, and i'm glad that was investigated. r jane: do yret being involved in the trump campaign? george: i don't working for the donald trump campaign and transition team at all. jane: would you work for him again? george: i would certwork for him again because he is doing great things for the united states from economic point of view and his foreign pocy is a stabilizing forc for good. if i could contribute, once my name is clear, which i expect it to now that neinformation has revealed, and the president has declared he will declassify particular fisa documents regarding my case and others working for him, i think tt that should clear my name and probably allow me to have a pretty seamless transition into what was once a pretty skyrocketing career into politics that i once had. jane: george papadopoulos, thank you very much indeed for joining me. george: thank you very much for having me. jane: you are watching "bbc
world news america." still to come on tonight's program, president trump threatens to close the border with mexico next week if someing isn't done about illegal immigration. we delve into the debate. the number of confirmed cholera cases following cyclone idai come to 138 in mozambique, and it could rise further. authorities are preparing to rolln out a mass vaccinat campaign to stop the spread of the disease. 3 million people need emergency aid. , itrter out of desperation .as been dropped off, but it wasn't enough these people are displaced, hungry, and increasingly angry.
antonia left empty-hded. she lost everything in the cyclone. big frontri o and maize, but all of it was swept away. reporter: d charitiesiver aid wever they can. this food is being taken to a community that hasn't been reached before. aher granddaughter wa week old when disaster struck. we hid in the ceiling. anyone who fell in the water died. now,ter: what is receiving -- the water is recedi now. one community is completely cut off more than two weeks later. this local school is now a shelter.
i'm told 160 people live here. t're tried to salvage their crops, but hopes are fading. and now more fears of a child suspected to have cholera guys. unless conditions improve quickly can were lives -- more lives could be lost. jane: president trump is threatening to close the southern border next week, ifsibly for a long time, more isn't done to crack down on the flow of immigrants. it comes a day after homeland security officials say situation at the u.s.-mexico it a breaking point. david frum is not a supporter of the president, but he agrees that immigration should be stricken for many economic and te-- restrfor many economic and social reasons. he wrote the latest cover article for "the atlantic"zi
ma, and i sat down with him to talk about the decision currently facing lawmakers. david, thanks very much for joining me. david: what a pleasure to be here. jane: at the moment, immigration is controversial. at what point does it become a real crisis? david: it is not a crit it is a chronic problem for not ju the united states but all developed countries. we have seen a decay of democratic ititutions around the world. you have the brexit matter in great britain. immigration everywhere is the spark. in thehcroft's polls u.k. shows that immigration is the number one and number two ruse of brexit voters num one cause for trump voters in the united states. iwhat i tried to my article in "the atlantic" is to step back and say what kind ofpo immigratiocy makes sense in a world in which the 1990 and million people went north and 2015, 44 many more in the 21st
century. jane: let me ask you, what does make sense? how does ameca choose to be in the country? david: right now america does not choose. abt 70% of the legal immigrants we accept are coming because they are relatives of someone who came previou ay. those peop here because they are relatives of somebody who came before that. immigration isncreasingly self-selecting. who we get has nothing to do with american national interests in seven cases out of 10. jane: but why not? david:te the sgrew up sort of by happenstance. in every phase we have backed into it, because it has not iten a high-priquestion. the last major review of immigration laws, successful okreview, lace in 1990, when the united states doubled its intake from illegal immigrants a t540,000 yea million. 1.2 million, actually. at the same time, we had a big ramp up in illegal immigration. through the 1990's -- i don't think americans have absorbed how big this is -- through that
single decade of the 1990's, united states took it in than in the 60 years between 1915 and 1it5. jane: you that immigration is a system, not a symbol. but it has become a symbol. how do you get it back to the utdebate you are talking a david: well, it is going to be hard. for president trump, the wall is a symbol of america's angry stare at the rest of the world. the wall is worse than futile. the majoritygrf illegal imts in the states are people whoverstay a visa. they come by airplane. however high the wall is, it is not big enough to keep out airplanes. e,meanwhor many people opposed to president trump, the reaction has driven them to positions that are way to the left, if we can use that term, then when democrats were just years ago. 10 jane: david frum, thank you very much indeed for joining me. david: thank you. wait to see what
happens to that border next week after presidenttorump threatens lose it. the venezuelan government has banned the opposition leader h juan guaido frding public office for 15 years over alleged financial irregularities. but mr. guaido and his supporters dismissed the move as illegal, anthey are planning an antigovernment march on saturday. earlier this week mr. maduro announced electricity rationing after large parts of the country were hit with a second major blackout. from caracas, will grant reports. will: it has been another difficult week for venezuelans. just as a degree of ity began to return to the tsleaguered nation, the li went out again. the second vast power cut in as many weeks. for those forced to abandon work anwalk home, it is difficu to keep their temper. >> this is a country that supposedly is drowning in oil. how is it ssible we live in is -- this poverty, this ruin oa country?
it is time for those guys to stand down and let new people step in who are more efficient because they havshown themselves to be incapable. s not just workplaces that have been close. -- closed. schoolchildren have spent moreme in the parks than in the enclassrooms recy. this teacher has had to look after her daughter at home. the situation over lack ofit electris far more serious than just skipping classes. marianne has diabetes, and her insulin must be refrigerated. given the shortage in medical supplies, the family c ill afford to let the expensive aslife-saving drug go to wte due to blackout. >> it is worrying. at times we don't slusp at night bethe electricity might go out. it is veit complicated. s really not an easy situation. will: the consequences of the darkness for venezuelan families are clear.
yet still the ponttical crisis ues. the maduro government accused the opposition of sabotaging the country's electrical grid as part of a washingt-backed coup, and they have gone on the attack, banning opposition leger juan guaido from hold public office for 15 years. he responded by calling the government illegitimate and urged his supporters to take to the streets on saturday in protest of the rolling blackouts. the lights are largely back in the capital, but venezuela is -- venezuelans know that is unlikely to last for long. electricity rationing tad water shs are part of daily life now. for the big protest ahead, the opposition wants to keep people angry about the situation rathec thanting it as normal.nt will gbbc news, caracas. jane: we will be monitoring any protest very closely over the weekend so do stay with us. you can find much more on that story and all the day's news on
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ning sponsored by newshour productions, llc >> woodruff: good evening. i'm judy woodruff.r on the newshnight: the third time is not the charm-- britain's parliament again rejects pre minister may's plan to break away from the european union. then, fleeing home-- we kick off drseries of reports from honduras on what iing migrants to make the dangerous journey to the u.s. i s like one boy told us, "why am i leaving?" "because, in my neighborhood, you'reore likely to get shot than to find a job." >> woodruff: and it's friday. mark shields and david brooks are here to discuss the falloutl from the m investigation, the latest calls to undo health care, and the race for 2020. all that and more on tonight's pbs newshour.