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ning sponsored by newshour productions, llc >> woodruff: good evening. i'm judy woodruff.r on the newshnight: the third time is not the charm-- britain's parliament again rejects pre minister may's plan to break away from the european union. then, fleeing home-- we kick off drseries of reports from honduras on what iing migrants to make the dangerous journey to the u.s. i s like one boy told us, "why am i leaving?" "because, in my neighborhood, you'reore likely to get shot than to find a job." >> woodruff: and it's friday. mark shields and david brooks are here to discuss the falloutl from the m investigation, the latest calls to undo health care, and the race for 2020. all that and more on tonight's pbs newshour.
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>> woodruff: the u.s. atwirney genera give congress a partial version of the mueller report, by mid-april. william barr sent word today in a letter to the chairs of the house and senate judiciary mmittees. he wrote that the full report runs nearly 400 pages, and that "eryone will soon be able read it on their own." elt he also said he is redacting grand jury and igence information, among other things. barr has already said special counsel robert mueller found no conspiracy or coordination between the trump campaign and russia, but reached no conclusion about whether the president was guilty of obstruction of justice. in response, the president sadhe as great confidence in barr. but the house judiciary chair-- jerry nadler-- said democratsul still want thereport, by april 2nd. president trump is now threatening to close all or part
of the u.s. southern border next grek unless mexico immediately halts illegal imion. he issued the new ultimatum today, during a stop at lake okeechobee in florida, and he focused on caravans coming north from central america. >> mexico is tough. they can stoch'em, but they e not to. now they're going to stop 'em. and if they don't stop 'em, we're closing the border. we'll close it. we'll keep it closed for a long time. i'm not playing games. mexico has to stop it. >> woodruff: the presidentaid any border closure could include all trade with mexico. co response, mexico's foreign minister said hitry does not act on the basis oats. britain's laakers today voted down an agreement for leaving the european union-- for the third time. prime mister theresa may had promised to quit, if her plan finally passed, but it was not enough britain now faces the prospect of crashing out of the e.u. without any agreement-- in two weeks' time. we'll have a full analysis,
after the news summary. in algeria: hundreds of thousands of protesters filled the streets in central algiers-- demanding that president abdel aziz bouteflika resign. it was the largest turnout since protests began six weeks ago.th e 82-year-old bouteflika has since dropped his bid for a fifth term. but crowds are demanding his immediate ouster without the ruling class hand-picking his successor. >> ( translated ): we came out today to show that all the apeople reject this regim in a civilized, democratic way. algeria has many candidates who are competent to take on the job, why would you stifle them in the own country? >> woodruff: at one point, lice fired tear gas and rubber bullets after some in the crowd threw stones. there were protests in a numberh of cities, as well. health officials in mozambique havef confirmed 139 cases cholera in the wake of a tropical cyclone two weeks ago. the utbreak was first declared
on wednesday, with just five confirmed cases. hundreds of thousands are at rine from the deadly water-b disease, especially in the ravaged city of beira. the world health organization says it will start mass vaccinations next week. thousands of students in germany skipped school today to demand action on climate change. they marched and carried gns that said, "i want snow for christmas!" it was part of a movement begun by a 16-year-old, greta thunberg, who's from sweden.ok she spe at the famed brandenburg gate in berlin. >> the older generations have failed tackling the biggest crisis humanity has ever faced. when we say to them that we are worried about the future of ourh civilization just pat on our heads saying, "everything will be fine don't worry."he >> woodruff:erlin protest
was one of more than 20 across germany. pope francis mandated today thai n personnel and diplomats report sex abuse claims immediately. if ty fail to inform vatican prosecutors, they could be finem or face jail the new law directly affects vatican city, but it is meant tf be a mod the catholic church around the world. back in this country: the georgia state house gave final approval to a ban on abortions-- once a fetal heartbe detected. , at can be as early as six weeks in a pregnand it would effectively outlaw all abortions in the state. several republican-controlled states have imposed strict abortion curbs, hoping to get the issue back before the u.s. supreme court. president trump is losing another cabinet memb: linda mcmahon is resigning as head of the small business administration. mr. trump announced it today at his mar-a-lago estate in florida. mcmahon will now chair the pro- trump campaign fundraising
group, "america first action." her departure leaves four women in the trump cabinet of 22 members. the president's top economic adviser, larry kudlow, urged the federal reserve today to cut interest rates by half a point. later "the washington post" president tweeted "the washingtonost" fed's rate hikes have been a mistake. meanwhile, wall street closed out its best quarter in years. the dow jones industrial average gained 211 points to close at 25,928. the nasdaqose 60 points, and the s&p 500 added nearly 19. all three indes had double- git gains for the quarter. still to come on the newshour: brexit remains uncerin as ever, as parliament again rejects the prime minister's. plan how the battles over health car are playing ou court. why migrants are forced to fleet honduras aftereats of extortion and death. plus, much more.
>> woodruff: as we just reported, the british parliament today rejected prime minister theresa may's proposed brexit deal for the third time. she lost by nearly 60 votes-- 286 to 344-- although that margin was narrower than her previous two attempts. she vowed to keep trying to convince parliament to approve her version of the u.k.'s divorce from the european union. but leaders are deeply divided, over the prime minister's promise to soldier on, calls foi a new el, revoking brexit entirely, and a second referendum. >> this government will continue to press the case for the orderly brexit that the result of the referendum demands. >> the house has been clear this deal now there has to be an alternative
found.an if the prime minister can't accept that, tnon she must go, at an indeterminate date in the future but now, so that we can decide the future of this country through a general election. >> i suggest to the prime minster we now must look seriously at the option of revocation. >> the way out of this impasse, as many of us has been saying for months and months and months, we must have a peoe's vote now >> woodruff: that clear lack of consensus has not only prevented brexit from proceeding, but it's frustrated members of the cabinet, members of parliament, and the british people. today thousandfilled the streets outside parliament to protest for brexit. demonstrators argued the u.k. was supposed to leave the e.u. today, and chanted the slogan, "leave means leave." to sort all this out, we turn to robin niblett, the director of the london think tank, chathamho e. robin niblett, welcome back to
"the washington post" "newshour". so please explain why did it fail again today? " >> well, fe washington post" simple reason that theresa may has been unl able to convince, most importantly, the democratic unit of "the washington post" party, "the washington post" irish group that are supporting her eigovernment. opposition has given coverage for another 30 or so nsidered m.p.s, a hard core of very strong brexiteers who say her deal is too soft that they believe ll stop "the washington post" brexit they want. "the washington post" labor party shmained strong. was only able to pull over five labor m.p.s from "t washington post" other side. the net-net is she's lost again but it's been a change from a 230-seat loss, 149-seat loss, and now a 48-seat loss, sit's getting close -- 58-seat loss.
closer but still far awa >> woodruff: "the washington post" deadline is gone away and now "the washington post" deadline is april 1 why that date? >> well, wat's important is that "the washington post" gene 27 states have said they've given a new brexit ate of april 12 because that would fall one day after by "the washington post" date which "the washington post" british parliament would have to call for parliamentary elections. they said if you want us to extend "the shington post" gotiation beyond april 12, you need to participate in "the washington post" european parliamentary elections taking place between may 23rd and may 26, the latest date by whi "the washington post" british parliament can set "the washington post" process in motion thrsough elections april 11. so donald tusk has called a special e.u. summit for april 1f in preparatir what shea see
"the washington post" british government will tell em and they will decide what they will do next. >> woodruff: one cliffhanger after another. "the washington post" e.u. is saying we could extend this but only for a meaningful reason. what does that mean? >> well, they've got a feel that they're not just to get dragged into sort of endless months of british parliamentary being stuck. they want to know that, if they're going to extend it, it's for a purpose, anon "the washinost" kind of purpose we talk about here is if "the washington post" prime minister decided to call, for example, -e minister decided to call for an example for a deal, or since last weekend or monday the votes taking place and are coming up is there are likely to be a big change that she could go back to the gene council with, might there be a call for a second
referendum, might there be a future deal that parliament can get behind even if theresa may has not gone behind it. those are the kind of changes. >> woodruff: in terms of mond next week, doe anyone of those choices have the makings of a consensus? >> well, none of them got through when they were voted on, on wednesday, this week. that was,ev how, an exercise of throwing paint at the wall sand sh ing whicks. the one that came closest to having a majority is what's called having a permanent customs union, tying a brexit print, britain that's left, into a trading relationship of as custion. the one that got the most votes even with opposition was for a
confirmartro referendum, labor-makers may accept the deal if it's put to a referendum foir the brpublic to remain if they don't want theresa may's deal. that also came close. so parliament is trying to find y around to a solution that doesn't mean going back fuy on the last referendum, doesn't mean giving up on brexit which is trying to tweak theresa may's deal that looks softer or could come up with a referendum. those seem to be the two options emerging as the strongest. >> so there could anotherre reum but it would be a different format. what about theresa may herself? what is her fate coming through this? >> she has said that if people back her withdrawal deal, if they simply back the pcess of print leaving the e.u., she will stepeaown as ther of the conservative party if.p conservative an opportunity to elect a new leader who would then neg
the future relationship. you have to remember, all we're trying to do here is leave and is actually get theaving part done. the future relationship, although a vague political declaration, is still there to be negotiated. so she said back my deal, i'll step down, i'll let somebody else come forward. so she's a very precarious position in the moment. she just wants to deiver brexit, then step back. >> robin niblett, all on the edge of our seats. thank you for helping make it undetandable. >> woodruff: it's safe to say that when this week started, few expected the never-ending battles over health care to move front and center once again. but president trump tried to do just that when he said repeatedly-- including just today-- that he wants to try again to repeal and rethe
affordable care act, often referred to as obamacare: first by winning in court and then by having congress pass a replacement plan. we should note, no such plan exists yet.in he meantime, his administration has continually trwnd to chip away or knock parts of the health care law through executive action.aw but, as amna tells us, a pair of important court rulings this week determined the r.administration went too >> nawaz: a federal judge blocked new work requirements for medi states-- kentucky and arkansas. judge james bosberg ruled that adding tse requirements could prevent people from getting health care corage, and coverage itself, he said, is the core tenet of medicaid. the trump administration has so far allowed eight states to implement those work requirements for able-bodied residents. seven other states have also applied to do so. arkansas was the first state tol ent them. in his ruling, the judge cited the impact on medicaid n arkansas, including a man named adrian mcgonigal.
this fall, catherine rampell went there to talk to him and see how the program was working. here's some of what she found. >> well, i just got out of the hospital. a >> reporteian mcgonigal's life is coming undone. >> they were wanting me to stay longer, but-- >> reporter: in the past few weeks, he's lost his job, his heth insurance, even his feelings of self-worth. >> without my medication, i o.can't really sleep good, >> reporter: he's worked all his life. but now, at the age of 40, he's entirely dependent on people likeis mom to get by. and he blames the u.s. department of health and human services. your status as far as? >> the arkansas works is concerned. >> reporter: thisummer, he had ntdecent-paying job at a chicken plant outside beonville. but when the trump administration allowed the state of arkansas to impose new work requirements on mecaid, he, like many medicaid recipients, got confused about how to report his hours. >> i thought that everything was od about this. i thought it was just a one-time deal, that you report it, and then that was it.
>> reporter: he was wrong. he was supposed log those hours online every month. he became one of the 12,000 people that the state has booted from the medicaid rolls in the last three months. >> how do i get my insance back on? >> reporter: he discovered this only when he went to fill prescriptions at this drug store and the pharmacist told him, "sorry, your coverage has been canceled." >> and that it was going to be like $340 for one of theon medicati and like $80 for the other one. >> reporter: so, he left empty- handed. this was a big deal, because mcgonigal has severe c.o.p.d., a chronic lung disease that makes it difficult to breathe. without his meds, he landed in the hospital multiple times and missed a lot of work. his supervisor tried to accommodate him, but he wasn't healthy enough to perform his job. so he lost it. he's now part of a lawsuit against the federal government charging that his story is a cautionary tale. irs lawyers say it proves why adding work requents to aan health ins program can backfire and actually make it harder for the poor to hold down a job.
>> nawaz: since catherine filed that story, about 18,000 arkansans lost their medicaid coverage. 2,000 of them have re-applied. and arkansas ghiernor asa huon says more than 70,000 have moved off medicaid rolls.so governor hutchwas not available to appear on the program today. sbut here's some of what d yestday. >> i contend the judge is wrong and i'm urging the department of justice and secretary azar to appeal the ruling and to seek an expedited appeal of the district court's decision. it is important to emphasize today that i remlain fuly committed to a work requirement, and we are in this for the long haul because we believe it is the right policy for our kansasens who wantto work an need more training and more opportunity. i should add that president trump and his
administration remains committed as well to this work requirement. >> nawaz: there was a second decision yesrday related to healthcare law from another federal judge.ul he a trump administration effort was illegal. the administration had allowed small businesses pool together and offer health insurance plans that avoid some of the law's requirements. the judge called it "clearly an end run around the a.c.a."le s take a look at all of this, starting with the bigger decision on medicaid. and for that, i'm joined byin cathrampell, who is also a columnist for "the washington post." caerine, welcome to the "newshour". we heard the story about adrian mcgonigal you told from las fall. give me a sense how unique was his storks the set of circumstances that allowed him to fall will you the cracks? >> i will say that when visited arkansas, we heard from a lot of people who were confused about the requirements, how they were to be record, if people were going to pro that they were actually abiding by the requirements, as well as a lot of lack of awareness about
whether the requirements even existed. so he is by no means unique. even though who were aware the requirements existed expressede concern about ility to meet them. people were working but maybe not enough hours or people with trouble with transportation. >> walk me through the judge's decision this week that blocked arkansas, right, from continuing that program and also blocked kentucky from implementing the same work requirements, what was the core justification from blocking those, from the judge's perspective? >> this is actually the second time, to be clear, that a jud de haetermined that kentucky could not implement its work requirements program despite having gotten approval from the trump administration to do so. basically, the judge was objecting to the fact that, while the executive branch has a lot of authority to implement new rules around medicaid or around other kinds of federal programs, they would have to bec in accorwith the core
tenant of whaver law authorizes the existence of those types of programs. so in the case of medicaid, the core tenet of medicaid is to the provision of healthcare to the needy, this is what the judge cited in his decision. he said that by putting the kinds of restrictions on the medicaid program or at least to the medicaid expansion program, that was not furthering, again, of theore purpos medicaid law. >> so we should point out people who advocate for these work requirements, you talked to somf hese folks in arkansas, we heard governor hutchinson there, including the presithey say it incentivizes benefici lives, they say steps like this will help to lift some of these people who may be stuck in poverty out of that lifestyle. and i'm atondering, based on you saw and the people you talked to out there, did you see that happening? was that support there? >> in the case of arkansas, for example, the state didn't allote any additional funding for job training programs or job
search programs or anything along those lines? this new set of requirements, of course, wasntended to incentivize people to go out and find work, but th problem with that as a construct, i guess, is that most people who are enrolled ine medicaid wre w.h.o. are not disabled are already working -- either they're working, loong for work, or they have another kind ofem ion like they're a full-time caregiver, for example, that allows them to -- that basically fulfills the idea that the program is intended to be furthering in terms of incentivizing people to get to work. the problem as we saw in the case with adrian mcgonigal is that there are a lot of people who are on medicaid for whoms medicaid enabem to work. they are getting healthcare, they're getting prescriptions that allow them to hold down a job. so there are cases where the
intention of this new program is actually backfiring, in a sen that people who had been working, by having their medicaid coverage taken away, arhaving more difficulty holding down a job. >> take us to a big-picture view. we've heard from the trump administration, they want to continue to press frd wimple meaning the work requirements. there are several states who have appdications pen. how is this going to play out, especially when you look at the larger affordable healthcare and benefits now. >> actually today the trump administration approved a waiver fohanother state, utah,ich is doing a partial expansion of meemcaid for it to imt a similar medicaid work requirement program. sohis is no sign at this point the trump administration isu reversing crse. it looks quite likely that these decisions will be appealed. they may ultimately make their way up to the sucourt, and the other states that are still getting their waivers cded
have not shown any sign that they are, you know, likely to reverse course at this point. but you never know. it could be that these legal rulings make them revisit, but we haven't seen tt at this moment. >> surely a battle to be played out in the courts, and you will be tracking it as well. catherine rampbell with "the washington post." thanks for being with us. >> thank you. >> woodruff: now to the immigration turmoil at the u.s. mexico border, where ctoms and border control officials say they are on track to make0 100,prehensions this month alone. many of those people come fromce ral america, and even as the president again threatened this week to withhold aid and shut the border because of the migration, his administration signed a pact with several of those same nations to bolster their internal security.
with the support of the pulitzer vinter, special correspondent marcia biggs, anographer julia traveled to san pedro, sula, in honduras, to see why so many ar fleeing thme. >> reporter: they came from far and wide, migrants from all parts of honduras, gathering at the bus station in san pedro sula. settling in for a long night of camping out before a dawn departure. it wasn't clear why or who made the decision. but eight hours earlier than planned, this caravan of milies set off on the harrowing journey to the united states. it wasn't long before the weather turned nasty, but the people pressed on. some have suggested that the caravans were organized by political activists, but there was no organization here, only desperation. they were supposed to leave at
5:00 in the morning tomorrow, they left at 9:00 in the pouring rain. entire families with toddlers, babies, they've got nothing but the clothes on their backs, and they don't even really know where they're going, they're just following the owd, hoping for a better life. "i know it will be difficult,"ye says 19--old alicia, cradling her eight month old baby, "but i want a better life for my son." olman del cid says he had noo choice butart walking with .s wife and five children >> ( translated ): it's too dangerous here, we can't stay here. there is no work and i can't afford to pay the extortion.r: >> reporheir numbers were nothing like the some 7,000 that marched through central americam and inico last october. estimates put this group at around a third of thatbut they are no less determined. yolanda golnzaz has worked as a human rights activist in honduras for the last 17 years. >> ( translated ): it's like one boy told us, "why am i leaving?"
"because, in my neighborhood, you're more likely to get shot than it is to find a job." when you ask people why they are leaving, or why, once deported, they try to go back, the sry typically starts with "i'm leaving for economical reasons." but when you start to inquire further, they say, "i had my bodega, but i lost it because of extortion, violence and because i don't have anyone to report to, who can protect me. i can't go to the police because the police won't protect me, and what's more, i'm afraid of the police. averefore, i have no other choice but to lee. and if i get deported, i will try again." >> reporter: san pedro sula used to be the world, held hostage by gangs, the most prominent: ms-13 and the 18th street gang. but a crackdown led by the government of president juan orlando hernandez, fueled by american dollars, hato ach mu touted decrease in homicide rates-- down over one-third sinc2011.
yet the people still live in. fe but we keep hearing that the homicide rates are down, that crime is down, violence is down. do you not believe that? >> no. >> ( translated ): i think there are a lot of tricks there. sometimes a lf-truth is more harmful an a lie. the homicide rate started to fall when the counting methodology changed. now only police can give that data.th befoe data was compared with other sources, now it's just one soue. >> reporter: representatives of the government did not grant our interview reques. but everyone we spoke to talked about extortion by gangs, a concept so normalized, it's referred to as war tax. as we drove around some of the poorest neighborods in san pedro sula, we saw home after home abandoned by those who couldn't afford to pay. 33-year-old gabriella gonzalez is one of those people, too
scared of the gangs to let us show her face. she lived illegally in the us for eight years, finally making enough money to buy three cars and start a small taxi company. she returned to her country full of hope. >> ( translated ): it went well during the first year. s by 2014,rted to pay the first war tax. by the middle of the following ar, i got the other war tax. then it was two war taxes. i endured, i thought i could. when i got the third war tax, in samore. >> reporte to pay one war tax is normal, but you just couldn't handle three.ed >> ( transl ): yes. they don't care if you're sick, if you have someone in the hospital, if your car down. even if you don't want to be involved, they'll get you invoed. do you understand? when they look for you, they already know all your moves. >> reporter: do you kn of other people that haven't paid the war tax? >> ( translated ): people who are now under the ground. >> rorter: she says her husband got sick last year and
they got behind in their payments. a truck pulled up to their home and five men got out, giving them 15 minutes to come up with the cash. they stalled them and then ran. what dyou think would have happened if you hadn't run away, if you hadn't left? >> ( translated ): i wouldn't be sitting here telling this story. >> reporter: they are now living in hiding. gabriella's changed her hair and rarely goes outside. she and her mother run a small restaurant out of the house, but today, we were the only customers.th sold their nest egg of taxi cabs, keeping one just for emergencies. a constant reminder of the hope they once felt, which was dashed in an instant. >> ( translated on one sunday afternoon we made the decision to leave, running away from your own country. i'm telling you, i wouldn'.be sitting he my whole family would be under the ground. because, this has happened to other families who didn't pay the war tax. they start by taking your work, your income, then they take your life.
>> reporter: like most hondurans we met, gabriella never filed a report and, therefore has no evidence of the threats. yolanda gonzalez says reporting crime accomplishes nothing. >> ( translated ): i understand that in the united states when peop are apprehended they ar told, "but you didn't file a report." of course, if you casually ask someone here why they didn't file a report they may tl you, "what for, when it doesn't do anything?" >> reporter: we went to talk too ce in rivera hernandez, one of the toughest areas controlled by gangs.us they tooo some of the areas they say they've taken back.th we've been i neighborhood several times, always with members of the local community. anit's been really difficu to film, highly sensitive, because they kept saying the gang is always watching. now we're here with police. and of course the access is great, but nobody will talk toev usyone has retreated into their homes. there's a real culture of mistrust. they took us to an area which they say used to be a dumpingor groundodies.
they're proud of the lowered murder rates and claim to have taken back this neighborhood. ntt it's practically deserted. while the governtatistic on violence may be down from a peak in 2011, the murder rate here remains among the highestin he world and it's fear that drives people out: we were told that fe families from this street alone left on the latest caravan. gabriella's sister is an american citizen and has filed a petition to bring hehe us legally. but gabriella says that she can't wait any longer ll try to go anyway, even though it may hurt her case if she tries to crossllegally. have you heard what people are saying in the united states abt people coming from honduras? >> ( translated ): that they treat us like animals. that we are going to contaminate the united states. that most of us are bad people. it's not like that. as with everything else in other countries there are bad people and good people. >> reporter: are you worried about what will happen to you
when you get there? you could be detained, you could be sepated from your grandson? >> ( translated ): yes. yes, it worries me. it worries me lot. because i know that they won't understand my situation. >> reporter: even though you u'ow you may not make it, still going? >> ( translated ): yes. for my children. t i knowy are going to have something better, in every way.e you don't he freedom for that here. you don't have the freedom for anything. >> reporter: a week later, gabriella left honduras with her tiughter and grandson, setng off for the brutal journey north. for the pbs newshour, i'm marcia biggs in san pedro sula, honduras.f: >> woodrnd an update, since marcia filed her story: unlike so many who try and faily gabriella actuade it across the border. she is currently in the u.s. and beginning the procesof applying for asylum. esmorrow, the series conti on "pbs newshour weekend" with a
closer look at one of the pooresand most dangerous neighborhoods in san pedro sula and how members of the community are trying to help those left behind. from the attorney general's handling of the mueller report to the renewed battle on health care, it has been a busy week in washington. here to help us understand it all-- syndicated columnist mark shields and "new york times" columnist david brooks. hello to both of you. so we now just in the last few hours have heard om the attorney general that we are going to see this almost 400-page report, but with redactions. idall he's saying he's so far is he shared some principal conclusions. based onhat, what do we e of it? >> i think barr's doing a good job.
he got the headlines out of the way right away, which is all he can . he's gone through a nearly 400-page report, he can't release everything cause the are ongoing investigations he can't compromise and there are sources andfforts. so he had to take time, but he made it very clear it's going to be release, he's made it clea he won't give the white house an early shot that will allow them to claim executive privilege and it will be out in a few weeks, so oerall acting as a professional. >> woodruff: professional, mark? >> very much. bill barr has an earned reputation in washington of iring a square shooter and fa guy and he's living up to that. i mean, there were quesons surrounding his taking of the job because it's looking like he had a job application when he sent this extended memo to the white house, doubting tha-- doubting the authority and the purview of the special counsel and the particular ocvestigation, but i just think it's what the dets have been asking for, it's what the republicans have been asking
for, it's upwhat the prsident's been asking for. >> woodruff: you said, david, you're confident he's going to release most of it but he said redactions for security reaso, oor legal reasons and als personal reputation. there was a poll done in the last few days that we did in conjction with that were an marist, people were asked should the full rep bort wiseen, 75% said yes, and more than half of republicans said we should see the full report. >> that's sort of the good news i re struck by 40% to have the republicans don't want to who are the we don't want any information party? that seemed kin to me, but i did think it was inevitable that we lked about this a couple of weeks ago that this was going to come out. when a prosecutor indicts not a normal human being, they should not release the information if there's no indictment. but this is not strictly a criminal case. this is a case about the behavior of the administration,o the behof the nation's highest elected officials and voters have a right to know beyond legal or illegal the
nature of the administrion. let's face it, mueller halls had an eye on to the admintration that no other reporters have had, nobody halls had. he will tell us which things voters will make their minds up in a couple of years. >>oodruff: the attorney general is signaling with this letter to congress that he is going to leave things outhat are part of grand jury -- >> of course, that's a rule lthat's been cited, the of sylvia procedure, criminal procedure, that you have etoep that secret testimony before a grandy.ur this is going to get out, the whole thing is going to get out. so if hholds back substantial, significant, relevant information, then he's put his own reputation on the line. i question whether he's going to dot. the fact mentioned at the outset that he's got the question whether in fact executive
privilege, the white house does it. that's a praetty big wepon he has. >> woodruff: and i notice that he said -- he said, although the president would have the right to assert privilege, he stated publicly he intends to defer to me and, accordingly, he says there are no pla to submit the report to the white house. >> it should be said ovrall at just the country, whatever you think of donald trump or not of donald trump, we've averted a lot of disasters. it would be frankly a disaster to learn the preside of the united states is colluding with a foreign enemy. it would also be a diaster get into a claim of executive privilege as happened in watergate and we're into years-long or months-long legal fight, sso far we're avoiding what could be worst of all the situations. >> woodruff: you've had theyi president i have been common rated and cleared by this and the people who criticize mel arwrong. >> that surprised the dickens y.t of me, jud to be very blunt about it, whatd
dorump has done, in the words of daniel patrick monahan, he has defined def yensy down. he did chest pounding, spike the football, on the news is campaign chairman is a convicted felon, his incipal advisor of national security is a convicted felon, his deputy campign chairman and personal lawyers are all convicted felaons. thissn't happened in any administration in the history of the country inclung richard nixon's, and he goes before the republic sene luncheon last tuesday and they give him a standing ovation, a standing ovation. i mean,hat is divining deviant deviancy down. on this broadcast a week ago, i think we'ren total agreement,
barr is an honest and professional lawyer and is today. woodruff: but he did acear -- and he did clear the president, at leasrding to these conclusions by the attorney general, of conspiracy, no conspiracy of that, or they didn't use the wor collusion, but coordination with the russians and then he went on to say no evidence of any obstruction of justice. so the presidentaan sy -- >> he can say that and a lot of people got out ahead of the evidence and claimed there was collnion and claimed he was agent, that he had betrayed the country, and they did theirr cause great m because they allowed donald trump to say, see, ty were wrong, and the were wrong. for donald trump to claim he's d therefore exonera exact opposite of the truth for reass enumerated. was struck about the reaction of two democratic presidential didates, saturday after we learned there was no report of collusion, beto o'rourke still went out and said he had collusion and inaccuratelde
ribed what donald trump had done with the russia's. pete buttigieg who is also running said why don't we talk about the issues voters cared ebout and why people felt lik they had to vote for trump. one candidate was focusing on the scandal, and one was focusing on the issues pengple were go decide, and that's a decision democrats and we in the media have to make, what issues dtewe pay ation to and what do we give weight to and i would say the latter are re valuable. >> i would agree with david. i just will say there isn't conclusive evidence ofolsion but -- >> woodruff: but the president did not submit to an int>>ervie. ut this is also a president in his campaign at actively sought the terference of a foreign government and welcomed it and saw nthing wrong with it in corroding and eroding america's trust in our sytem and attacking democratic
presidential nominee. i mean, the fact that he saw nothing wrong with it is not -- i'm not talking about criminal, but it is o interest and of importance and it does signify something about the individual. ir mike who sits in this cha sometimes says trump is a stooge of a foreign power but not an agent of a foeign power, so if that's your victory, that's your victory. >> woodruff: you mentioned, david, some of the democrats dlking about issues an some saying voters are not bringing up to me the mueller report wheo i'm othe trail. the president turned to healthcare after this in an interesting way, said his administration is trying to completely repeal th affordable care act, obamacare. but he also said the republicans will be the party of hlthcare. >> after he is the president of hue multiand modesty -- humity and modesty. (laughter) i thought and other republicans thought it was bewildering,
mccarthy in the house -- it's not an issue of what he has credibility or where the party has led in anyy glorious , not one he's run on before. it seems to be running into a mine field. mitch mcconnell said he's not going to help write a republican so they could come up with a plan, but why donald trump thinks this is the right movehi foor his party is something of a mystery. it's alays an error for te teesident to try to define his motives and st because there's usually nothing back there, it's just things coming out. but it's a weird chapter in his presidency. >> woodruff: and, mark, te democrats, we're looking closely at what the democrats are saying about healthcare from medicare to all to various other, you know, iterations of that. are we seeing something emerge from the deocrats that's going to help them, help one of them on the campaign trail? >> help one of them. i think we've learned last
november, judy, that it helped democrats, healthcare was the most important issue i 2018. the democrats won the largest popular majority in a congressional election ist the y of the country. there is no plathat dona trump can come up with or anybody else can come up with that's to the right of the affordable care act. it was drawn as michael benne from colorado said, from mitt romney's plan in massachusetts. so there is ant lot of wiggle room to the right of some master plan for conservatives. d the fact is donald trump and the republicans have acieved almost the impossible. they have made the affordable carect, obamacare, ich i know drives donald trump around the bend when he hears obamacare used, but they've made it popular for the first time. the majority of americans have a favorable attitude toward the affordable care act, who never had it once it was pased during the obama years. so, to me this is beyond --
politically -- ethically, it's t worse than attacking john mccain seven months dead, but politically it's worse and these are two major missteps by donald trump, tin formed political genius. >> woodruff: you do have some republicans pointing to democrats taing aght abt medicare for all and say that's socialism, ah-ha. they're talking socialism, we want to let you keep your doctor. >> i think the democratsre making a terrible mistake if it's medicare for all. the stick prce to have the increased tax bill is massive. there are lots of people in thir co 70%, who are happy with the private health insurance. toake it away frm them are perilous in the extreme. it would be a massive destruction. before you get to medicare for all, there are lots of things to do to expand coverage.ca there arastrophic coverage and incremental things. b itn interesting to watch the presidential candidates go for maximum medicare for l. nancy pelosi is not, talking about more incremental and
realistic and policy, more intelligent. thea obmacare, there's more influence on the body to d more with medicare. it's still an issue so some movement around there. taking away medicare for all would be pol.itical suici >> woodruff: 10 seconds. indianapolis i-- nancy pelosi ie grownup in the room, rig politically and substantively. the democrats are the party who believes in healthcare and believes in extending it and the idea of going for medicare for all now might be a nice talking point to a liberal group, also not a realistic politicaop al, and i think that, you know, find yourself on the defensive just as dona did on this issue, the democrats ane going to take an issue to their advantage put themselves on the offensive. >> woodruff:,ark shiel david brooks, we thank you.
>> woodruff: for some artists, telling their personal story is best done through song. jeffrey brown went to dripping springs, texas, recently to hear a veteran singer-songwriter lay out the chapters of her life-- and draw her audience in. it's part of our ongoing arts and culture series, canvas. ♪ ♪ >> brown: patty griffin is known for creating indeliblers characn her songs, singing other people's stories. but in the new song "river", the character is much closer to home. oh, i am writing about myself there. >>rown: you are. >> i'm writing about my emotions. the emotions of this thing that i'm in cled life.
>> brown: we met griffin, whod just tur, on a glorious day in the texas hill country at a ranch called camp lucy ranch, home to a small festival, an offshoot of the much larger south southwest in nearby austin. for griffin it was a first chance to perform music from her self-titled new album, songs written in aore introspective mode, in the wake of her recent bout with breast canr. ♪ >> there was definitely a reality check for me. there's lots of them as your get older. this one was very specific: "you will not be getting out of here inive, by the way. you better start lthe life you want to live." and that kind of thing, so that sharpened, i think, my writing a little bit more to sort of
sitting down and figuring out where you are now, and writing f truthfulm that point. ♪ >> brown: griffin grew up in a small town in maine. her grandparents and father immigred from ireland. and several of the new songs speak to that heritage.s she e of seven children,ng s challenircumstances. when she got sic looked back. >> i was having a conversation with my mom, who's slive. i was saying, "you know how when we were growing up and we just didn really have any money?" she said, "you mean, we were poor." yeah, like that. and i decided to bring that into the record. ♪ e brown: that came out in the lovely song she wrd performs with guitarist david
pulkingham, "mama's worried." texas has been griffin's home for many years, a musical home: the venerable pbs show "austin city limits." the new record is her 10th studio album, as she's built a faithful following in folk and americana circles. she's won a grammy, and had her songs covered by many leading artists. and she's now reaching several generations of fans. >> i've been told that my music's been played at funerals, deaths, births, weddings.ve weddings i fin surprising. i only have one love song, but they've used it at weddings. >> brown: but it only takes one. >> it only takes one. so, that's doing something. those arbig moments. so hopefully it's stirring some s ings up inside. like billie holidaice for me-- i get it now. she goes deep, so you can go
th her there. and she's kind of holding you there with her, and it's a huge gift. and mine's n exactly like that, but i aspire to that sort of thing. >> brown: in fact, griffin lost her voice for a period during her sickness and feared it might not return. diagnosed with breast cancer in 2016, she's now cancer-free following surgery and radiation. >> one of the things that i've learned in the last few years is to stop being so damn critical of my own work. w listeninhout a voice, listening back to the work i've done. i just went, "wow that was pretty good. i don't know why i didn't like that." >> brown: and what did you hear in your younger self going back and listening? >> something kind of magical. i feel like it came, i've got something in my blood.
i feel like i come from some really magical people. i mean, i can play guitar, and i can stand on a streesing, and i know how to do that. and that's what i'm is that people will come listen toa the show if i can write more songs that would be wonderful. and that's all i want. i don't rely want much more of it than that, just to keep going a little bit, and have a little bit more time doing it. >> brown: patty griffin is on dtour across the country abroad through this summer. for the pbs newshour, i'm jeffrey brown at camp lucy in the texas ll country. ♪ >> woodruff: such a lovely work. and that's the newour for tonight. i'm judy woodruff. have a great weekend. thank you and good night. >> major funding for the pbs newshour has been provided by: >> american cruise lines.
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tonight california lawmakers propose new laws at a repeat of the college admissions scandal that has roots in the golden state. reveal new polls widespread discontent among bay area residents around housing and traffic and what they're willing to do about it. zbliechlt also, the emotional lives of animals. a new book by aps renowned ychologist says their emotions are just as rich and complex as humans. hello. yesterday several california lawmakers propose measures aimed at reformingow college admissions are done. they include requing that three administrators sign off on special admissions. meanwhile, in a surprise move w thk