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it's exactly one year away from today. voters are fed up with washington and yearning for outsiders. joining me are all the outsiders, trump, sanders and fiorina. also, what we now know aboo why that russian plane crashed in egypt. we'll talk to the v ve chair of the senate intelligence committee dianne feinstein. and finally, look who hosted a huge snl last night. >> they don't have my talent, my money or especially my good looks. joining me for insight and analysis this sunday morning are radio talk show host hugh hewitt. msnbc's rachel maddow. pbs hour in's gwen ifill. and politico's mark caputo. welcome to sunday. it's "meet the press." good sunday morning. exactly one year from today
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we'll be hearing a lot of this music. gets me giddy. the nbc news election night music. one year out and we can agree on this -- american voters have lost faith in their elected officials and are looking for someone to restore trust in government again. in a moment, i'' be joined by two candnddates who represesnt thihi anti-i-litician mood off the ccntry, donald trump a a bernie sanders. but first, another one of those candidates who has seized on the republican voters' frustration wi politics as usual is ben carson. but his rise in the polls has been clouded lately by allegations that he has been embellishing or possibly making up stories about his young life. my colleague chris jansing caught up with carson at jfk airport last night in new york and asked him about the stories that he was a violent teen, that he was offered a scholarship to west point after meeting with general william westmoreland,, and the first thing you'll hear
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that he protected whixe students at his high school duri the mlk riots in detroit. >> reporter: so what they said was that they contacted a number of people there, they talked to a teacher there, that none of those people remember this happening. >> well, they don't remember the riot? >> reporter: everyone remembers the riot, that i don't remember the role you say you played in helping to protect white students i. >> why would t ty know about that unless they were one of those students? >> reporter: so it doesn't surprise you no one in any of these stories has come forward? >> maybe one of those students will come forward. i don't know. i'm just now hearing about it. maybe they're not spending all of their time reading the "wall street journal." >> reporter: general westmoreland, we nowknow now looking at his records that he was not there when you said in your book -- >> i know he was there in detroit and it may not have beenn
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time during the time when i was a city executive officer. >> reporter: wouldn't the easiest way to defuse at least some of these questions wiuld be to ask your brother to come out and speak about this? you said it was your mother and brother who would know about your temper. >> my mother has alzheimer's. >> obviously. >> my brother is not interested in talking to the media and a number of other people aren't, either, that i've talked to. >> reporter: vetting is a normal part of the process. did you not expect this? >> i have always said that i expect to be vetted. but being vettednd whatts going on with me "you said this 30 years ago, you said this 20 years ago, this didn't exist, this didn't exit," i have not seen that with anyone else. if you can show me where that's happened with someone else, i will take that statement back. >> reporter: i think almost every person who has been president -- >> not like this. no, not like. this i have never seen this before and many people other
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people who are politically experienced tell me they've never seen it before, either. >> repopoer: you don't thhk a bill clinton or the president with his birthcertificate,e, peoplpl still -- >> not like this. not even close. >> reporter: so what do you think is going on? why you? >> because i'm a threat. >> reporter: to? >> to the progressives, the secular progressive movement in this country. i'm a very big threat because they can look at the polling data and they can see that i'm the candidate who's most likely to beat hillary clinton. they seethat. ii is this fun for you? >> would i ihave p pferred to be doing something else? certainly. but it's important to me and when i think about the sacrifices that were made by those who preceded us in order that we mig have the freedom we have now, it's the very at least that i can do. >> there's more to chris's
8:05 am including a question about the classes he took at yale. let me go to donald trump. he joins me by phone hours after hosting "saturday night live." so without further ado live from new york it's sunday morning ith donald trump.p. mr. trump, weeome back to "meet the press." >> good momoing, chuck. >> let me get your reaction. do you think this matters, what's going on here with dr. carson? >> well, i feel badly for ben. i've got on the like ben. 's a tough thing. he writes a book where he went after his mother, hit her on the head or wanting to hit her on the head with a hammer, hitting a friend in the face with a padlock, national guard the face,face -- hard in the face. only to be broken up by a belt buckle. which if you know belt buckles, hey turn and twist. and whenene writes that he h h pathological diiase in a bobok, now, he obviously wrote this book prior to thinking about running to office but he says he has pathological disease -- >> you don't believe him, do you? >> well, if you have
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pathological disease, that's a problem. he wrote it, i didn't write it. he's going to have to explain a lot of things away. the scholarship situation, the dinner with westmoreland when westmoreland wasn't there. the pyramids -- mere midspyramids are solid structure other than a little area for the pharaoh, you don't put grain in a pyramid because it's's solid. they didn't have large structural b bms in those days. >> you've done a political trick here. you have referenced every negative connotation connotation to dr. carson. you must believe he's a threat to the polls and that these are serious. >> i think serve a threat to me. i like a lot of these people, i respect them, i think everybody is a threat but nobody will be able to do a job i do. nobody will make america great again. nobody will take ay jobs from china andndring them b bk to
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this country, india and many otherer places, japan. nobody will be able to do that. but i view in terms of the election, i'm number one in the polls. i was number one qualifying for the fox debate. i was in the pole position as they call it. but i everybody is a threat. >> let me ask you something about your book. because i think in order to restore trust with the american people i think you have to be putting out your plans, you have to put it on paper and you said this in your book "crippled america." "they have been claiming i ven't put out enough specifics. there's a goo reason for this and it fits perfectct with my verall philosophy with leadership. there are a lot of different voices and interests that have to be considered when working toward solutions. this involves getting people into a room a negotiating in that room to get everybody on the same page." in our own polling, the american people pick a president they want to see compromise. don't you owe it to republican
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stances on paper, more of them? put your plans and details on paper? we know they might change but show us your work. >> ve done at. i've come out with a tax plan, very detailed. i've come out with the vets to make them happy and healthy. >> you haven't told us how mexico will pay with this wall. >> il tell you right now. we have a trade imbalance with $45 billion with mexico every year. we give mexico billions of dollars a year. the wall is going to cost $6 billion or $7 billion. if i build it. if somebody else builds it will cost $20 billion. >> the tariffs. >> so we e an build a magnififent walllland we can spend $7 billion. not the kind of numbers i'm hearing and when you have a trade imbalance of $40 billion or $45 billion a year, it's really easy to negotiate that deal, chuck, that i can tell you. now, the other politicians won't
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they don't a clue about negotiation. it's easy. think of it, a trade imbalance of 40 to 45 -- >> mexico -- >> and that doesn't include the drugs that pour into our country. that's exclusive of drugs. >> so you're saying tataffs will ay for this? >> and by the way -- no, i'm not saying ththt. i'll get mexico to pay for it one way or the other, i guarantee you that. with mexico. the mexican people. you're seeing in nevada i won the poll with hispanics. but the leaders are taking advantage of our leaders because our leaders are not smart people, they're incompetent, frankly frankly. >> two quick questions. a new book by george bush says you called up lee atwater and said "vet me for vp." >> lee was a friend of mine. he came to me when i was quite ung and he said"you'd be a great vice presesent?" i said "tell me about it."
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thought -- i was starting to build my empire. i guess i was in t`e midst of it and frankly lee said "you'd be great and you should do it. you shld do it. i want to get back to you." and we talked about it on two occasions but nothing came of it. >> quickly on snl, there's always a line on these things. do you think -- there's some people that question how serious you are about running for president. does hosting "saturday night live" ununermine how serious you are? >> ll, if you look every litician -- not ery, but just about every politician has gone on "saturday night live." it's very icon yichblgt i didic. i did it 11 years ago, "the apprentice" was number one and i did it. hillary was on two weeks ago and hosting it is a bigger deal than doing a single skit. i had a fantastic time doing it. i think it will get tremendous ratings. that's what they're saying already and it's a big success for nbc.
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chuck, because i think it was a big success f f nbc. >o you think you should have taken the protesters more seriououy? >> no, not at all. do you know before the show there were very few of them there. a handful. i think there are more people protesting i favor of me than against me. and before the show started, everybody left. you know why? they went home to watch it. >> so you were comfortable with larry david mocking the protests? >> well, not only comfortable, it was something i had to agree to and i loved it. i thought it was great. larry got up and he said certain things and i fully -- that was part of the script. it was funny and the place wawa roaring. i can tell you inside the studio they were roaring. we had a good time and it's not a question of that. zou know, i'm doing great with hispanics, chuck. i'm winning so many different areas with hispanics. i employ thousands of hispanics. i'll bring jobs back for hispanics and we'll win the hispanics. you watch. >> donald trump, i believe we
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have a face-to-face coming up soon. i know we're close to figuring that out. i look forward to it. >> very good. thank you, chuck. so long. let me move to the other side of the aisle, democratic presidential candidate number two in the polls nypd senator from vermont. senator bernie sasaers. senator, w wcome back to "meet the press."." let me k you about thth ben carson stuff because you have seen people leak out stuff you wrote 30 and 40 years ago. is this fair game? >> no. look, i listened to the interview with dr. carson and it's interesting. but you know what, chuck? the american people want to know why the middle-class of this country is disappearing. why we have 47 million people living in poverty. why we have massive i iome and wealth inequality. when you look at dr. carson, toto the beses of my knowledge, this man does notot believe that
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climate change is caused by humanhue human activity. he wants to abolish medicare and give huge t breaks to the rich. i think it might be a better -- idea i know it's a crazy idea -- but maybe we focus on the issues impacting the american people and what candidates are saying rather than just spending so much time exploring their lives 306 30 or 40 years ago. i think the reason so many people are turned off to the political process has to do with the fact we're not talking about real issues impactctg real people. >> you have been v vy consistent about this and it's an admirable part of your campaign. in fact, you have made it clear. you didn't want to go after hillary clinton. let me play the many times you said that. >> i am not going to g into t media game, andrea, of attacking, making personal attacks against hillary clinton. i just am not going to do that. i don't think that's what the american people want. if i were to start viciously attacking hillary clinton it would be all over the front pages of the paper.
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but i don't do that. i mean, i happen to respect and like hillary clinton so i don't get into personal attacks. you know that. >> senator, something seemed to o change. a "bostonnlobe" interview w u said "i disasaee with hillary cliion on virtually everything. the "wall street journal" you said "consistency on such issues does speak to the character of a person." then you talked about the e-mail which is at the debate you said you're tired of her damn e-mails then you said let the investigation proceed unimpeded. are you backing traing? do you want to target hillary clinton the person? >> no, chuck, this is media stuff. my views on her e-mails are what i said in the debate and right after the debate. the american people are sick and tired of seeing on the front pages e-mails. they want a discussion on real issues. there is an investigation ongoing, i have nothing do with it, that's that. bubu my views on that haveve not changed. in terms of disagreeing with hillary clinton yeah, i do, mono, many issues. what i understand politics and
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elections to be about is to discuss differences of opinion. i intend to do that and do that vigorously. that does not mean i'm making personal attacks against somebody i respect. i disagree with hillary clinton on whether or not we should break up the large financial institutions in this country. i don't have a super pac, she does have a super pac. we have many different points of view and i will discuss those vigorously. >> one of the things you poioied out is consistency, you believe that matters.s. what's wrong we involving on issues? >> there's nothing wrong. everybody evolves on issues. nothing wrong with that, but if you look at the important issues facing this country, going back to 02, who made the analysis? who looked at what bush and cheney were saying on the war in iraq? it's one thing to evolve and say "i made a mistake." it's another thing to analyze the information and say "i think that war is a terrible mistake." in terms of trade, i am glad that in recent months hillary
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on the keystone pipeline. on the transpacific partnersrsp. she's'saking a step forward on marijuana. not far enogh in terms of getting the federal government, seeing it illegal. but what people want to know is who v leadership. who was there in 1996 in terms of @ma, the defense of marriage act. so what i think the issue is, who is prepared under difficult circumstances when it's not necessarily popular to make decisions which are the right decision rather than 20 years later say well, you know, maybe i was wrong. or maybe i've got to rethink that. >> well, i iad moree i want to discuss. we're compactct today but senator sanders,,lways a pleasure to haveou on, sir. be safe on the trail. >> okay. >> thanks very much. when we come back, the panel will be here to discuss all that we've heard from ben carson, trump, and bernie sanders. what a week and what a day. i was ready to serve. i just gotten married.
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political space in florida like mark with rubio and jeb bush so thanks for coming up. go canes. >> go canes. >> now we know what this is really about. >> exactly. hugh, let me start with what you heard from dr. carson. i think he's going to go got"the media is being unfair route" does it work for him? >> to quote drn kissinger, it has the additional benefit o being true.@ his objection to this week is there were four scandal bus two were reported. marco rubio does not have a scandal, hillary had her non-disclosure agreement revealed at the washington freebie con and reuters obtained a letter from the teneo group refusing to answer questions about hillary clinton. so there were four scandals, two real involving hillary clinton, one about ben carson, west point, not a andal, heavily memeia and the one a aut marco
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>> why is it not important? >> i have no doubt someone at the rotc said to ben carson "we'll get you in." because it was common in the '70s and the '80s. >> but he's sort of a -- obviously he's a very distinguished retired surgeon. since retiring he's basically a professional autobiography and that's what he does, he sells and sells and sells and sells his autobiography. there are a lot of things, the most dramatic things in his autobiography, all of which are favorable to him and helped sell himself assthis azing person who should be president cannot bbcorroborated includingngthe factual stament that you cannot get a full scholarship. >> directed a missions are full scholarships. >> no pays. it's not like he got offered to west point and had to pay when other people would have to. that's the impression he gave. >> here's my question. if you get into yale and you are an rotc student, do you doubt
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"you need to go to west point by directed a mitt." do you really doubt that happen? >> what i doubt is a person ought to be president on the basis of their autobiography when they sell that to the country as "i was offered a full scholarship west point and i turned it dowow." you weren't offered a full scholarship to west point, nobody gets a full scholarship to weststoint and if you're selling yourself, you're not telling it truthfully. >> gwen, you've been on the trail a long time over the years. personal stories. i go toesz me the danger for dr. carson is the fact that his candidacy is built on biography and honesty. >> it is built on saying this is who i am, these are my bootstraps and we all admire that. interesting thing about the outsiders we talk about so much is that they all seem surprised on what it takes to run for president. and what it takes is scrutiny. when dr. carson says there's never been scrutiny like directed at him, hat's just not . i think -- imean, we wee all
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through the whole thing with killing ben foster. with the airstrip in arkansas, still we're talking about barack obama's birth certificate years after he was president. there's always the scrutiny and each and every one of those times those folks hated it. they complained. they felt like victims and of course this is the way dr. carson, who has great self-regard, as he deserves to because he accomplished -- >> his objection is the double standard. there is a story, mrs.s. clinton is not beiei covered -- >> and clinton would say there was a report saying the two e-mails that were supposed to be classified were not classified and nobody covered that. >> mark -- >> i'd rather just watch them. >> i know, i know. [ laughter ] see why we put them next to each other? >> patented dynamic. >> the most fun is that they're so civil which is a reminder that that is what at least
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mark, you had the marco rubio story that hugh just brought up and it does go to the -- the head scratcher there was it was like a non-issue but what took him so long. >> there's a few things that took them so long. rubio in 2010, first batch of his credit cards got released, credit card statements to the republican party of florora were released on the behest of then-governor charlie crist running against him in the senate and they made the calculation that look, these are private statements and i'm just going to take the hit. years later they had the luxury of knowing that when he runs for president they'll have time to analyze his other statements and when they analyze those statements and put them together and pull the bank statements they realized, oh, my god, there's not much here. there's only $65,000 in spending over two years as the head of the florida house campaigns which is not a lot of money. so they made the calculation that we'll hold off until the appropriate time and let the donald trumps of the world say this is going to be a disaster. >> it was a setup. i ttnk it was a setup. >> that's whatat was goingngo ask.
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>> so you believe this was -- >> that was part ofit. i think it's part of the marco rubio strategy. i put it in my story that i wrote. when you look at the hype that built it up and then you look at the expenses, you really have to go out of your way to make it look like a scaal. >> it's very smart. >> david rivera, the former member of congress down there who was basically chased out via scandal. is that going to be less of a hit on him because of how this credit card thing went down? >> i wouldn't presume to say what will be a hit and what won't. marco will have to answer questions about his relationship with david because david has been in trouble but has been able to avoid indictment at the state and federal level. >> that's theart of this i wonder how much. there was intereststcalculationon i'i' going to hit the pause butt. we hav so much to cove we have the democrats. we have the bush family shakespearean drama going on there but we'll change lanes. after the break, the latest on the russian plane and why experts are increasingly convinced it was a bomb that took it down. dianne feinstein will be here,
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convinced it was downed by a bomb and attention is focusing on intercepts of chatter between an isisi affiliate in the sinai and members of a group in syria. for the latest, i'm joined by the vice chair of the senate intelligence committee, dianne feinstein of california. senator, welcome back to "meet the press." >> good morning. >> why are u.s. officials so convinced this was a bomb? >> well, i think it's an emerging story. i think first of all, you've got the flight data recorder and the voice recorder that record something that could be an explosion. secondly, it's the nature of isil, i think. isil is now in 12 countries. they do attack after attack. the forensics on the superstructure of the plane need to be donon i'm delighted d hearhatthe fbi will be going into the area and will participate and i believe we are sharing our information, intelligence
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and this is a point i want to make. it is my strong belief that the united state and our good allies should share information regarding terrorist attacks. we usually do this and it's important we do this. >> are you concerned we're not sharing with russia because of this rivalry? >> yes. my understanding is that we weren't for a while but i have now heard that we are. i hope that's true. >> do you believe this is a -- look, you've seen the intelligence. i know there's some things you can't share. but everything you've seee you've seen this stuff in the past. do you believe it was a bomb? >> i think there's a strong probability it was. i can't say it's dead bang certain but there's a strong probability that it was. >> what does this mean? >> well, this means i think a very big thing for russia. this was a russian plane with russian people. major attack. russia is in the area.
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russia is at three bases, has planes, has people. my hope is that russia will take a strong stance against isil and they are not now so doing. most of the attacks are directed toward the moderate opposition and i think the time has come for us also to begeg to develop aa joint strategy w wth russiaia >> you u pe this is a wakeup dual tin? i hope it's a wakeup call to putin and i hope to some extent it's a wakeup call to us. i have said before and i really belive it. we will figh them now or we will fight them later. it's only a question of time. and they're now in 12 countries. they've done 25 major attacks in these countries outside of syria and iraq in the last two years. this is a huge worldwide problem and we've got to play a major role, the russians should as well.
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>> if this was a bomb, it looks like the assumption is it got on via airport workers, it didn't gettn viaahe passengers. theyeyeem to have cleared the passenenrs. the scary thing about this is do we have -- what do we do to screen airport workers in this country? the dea busts drug rings all the time. they've done a lot when it comes to airport workers smuggling drugs on planes. that tells you there's some security holes. >> well, this is a very complicated area and i think homeland security is doing as good a job as they can. they are now tightening security. the kinds of bombs vary. the one i'm most worried about is the one that there have been four attempts to bring into this country and that's the one that goes through a magnetometer. the bomb makereris stillll ive andhat bomb is a recipe f f which is easy to get and it is very serious.
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so we need to totally be on our guard. we need to do those things that are prudent and direct and i think homeland security realizes that and we are toughening in those places which are important to toughen security in now. >> 14 months ago you said this about the president "i think i've learned one thing about this president and that is he's very cautious, maybe in this instance too cautious." that had to do with syria. he obviously has made an incremental step about what he wants to do with syria with the special forces. >> no. the special forces are liliited. i think 50. that won't do it. if we're reall going to use special operations, quick in, quick out, you have to do in the a much more comprehensive way to get at isil. this isn't just one facility. it's not one building in raqqa or somewhere else. it's many different places. the other thing that seems to be
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bombing alone isn't going to do it. we've had over 7,000 sorties. others have made sorties as well. we have made the majority of the sorties and that hasn't changed the dynamic. so i think we've got to look at those things which can be major in scope and this means put together a strategy with russia and move ahead. > senator dianene feinstein, vice chair of the intel committee, let's see if they listen to your advice. >> yes, chuck, right. when we come back, why carly
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we've already heard from three of the main outsider candidates for president today. yesterday i caught up with another, the former ceo of hewlett-packard, carly fiorina, and asked her why she is one of just two candidates who have yet to release a detailed tax plan, or, frankly, any p plicy plan on her webeb site. re's her answer. >> well, let me disagree with the premise of your question. how often do politicians put out detailed plans? how often do they get enacted? never. that's the problem. politicians put out detailed pls for all kinds of things, it never happens. but if you go to the web site, you can ask a question and you will see me answering the
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in other words, i am being held accountable. a plan -- anybody can write a plan. anybody can put a plan on a web site. it's another thing to say "you know what i think we need do" and be held accountable for this. i think we need go from a 73,000 page taxaxcode, which is w wat we ve today with 4,00000 changes sinin 2001, we need to get it downno about three. and what that means is we need to close every loophole and lower every rate. >> well, show us what you're going to do. how do we trust -- >> that is what i'm going to do. >> show us your wok. >> so in other words words on a piece of paper are more accountable than words said to people looking them in the eye? i don't think so. i don't think that's what voters think because i think voters have gotten smart enough to know that plans and papers, 50-point plans 10-point plans, 5-point plans are win by a bunch of advisors and consultants.
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so i'm perfectly prepared to be held accountable for my words and plans and i would encourage your viewers to go on the web site and d k any question they want. >> so we shouldn't expect a tax plan o o of you any time soon. >i've given you aax plan. ve given youou a tax plan. it needsdso be three pages and the only way to get there is to lower every rate and close every loophole. >> so that's the question for you guys. wi voters accept candidates who do not put their ideas on paper for us to see?
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we are back. it's no secret that democratic candidates across the country have struggled at the polls since president barack obama took office. how badly have democrats been performing? let's start with congress. since 2009, democrats have lost a net of 13 senate seats and a whopping 69 house seatsts let's'sut in historiril context. you have to go back to eisenhower to mamach this many losses for a partyhat controls the white house with senate seats, 13 of them. and in the house, it's been a hundred years since a two-term losses. that was woodrow wilson and the democrats. 99 house seats. let's go to the state level. with president obama, under him, democrats have lost control of 12 governorships, includeing just this past week in kentucky. mr. us they've given up 30 state legislative chambers. ready for this? over 900 state legislative seats. no administration since nixon/ford saw more governor and
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in the president's own party. of course, there was a reason for those losses, the watergate scandal tainted republicans across the country. so you have to go back to eisenhower, again, to find more losses of state legislatures, over 1,000 back inn the '50s. what's going on here? why are down ballot democrats ross the country g gtting wiped out in e ection after election where barack obama's name is on the ballot? the explanation is democrats don't turn out if barack obama is not on the ballot. but it wasn't that long ago, rachel, that i did turn out in midterms. it wasn't that long ago, 2006, 2002 they won a bunchf governorships. something is wrong here and you can't just blame it on, oh, democrats don't show up. there's infrastructure. >> there's -- what's happening is that the democratic party is getting smoked strategically by the republican party. the republican party made a decision to invest long-term in the place where it makes an institutional difference whether or not you're there. so the republican party didn't
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but they invested heavily, particularly in advance of the 2010 cycle in winning state legislative seats across the country that nobody in the national press cared about. they flipped enough of them to flip enough l lgislatures to flipip the cononessional map thaha locks it inn for a dececde and republicans are thihiing that way. democrats aren't. >> no betetr eemple, markrk than the state of florida. a swing state that is nowhere near swing in legislative races. >> right. problems democrat have nationwide. the big thing is that the barack obama political machine and big data is a lie. the obama political machine without obama is no machine. they don't win. that was largely personality based campaign in two different cycles and i did witness at least in florida the obama machine for whatever it was it was kind of good having its consultants come down and build democrats in various races and then not win them but in addition to that they would not really do much to help. so you also had in addition to that folks not liking barack
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obama very much and so if you were running for office you ran away from obama and obama's people didn't run toward you to help. >> let'sso history here,hugh.h. it took republicans 40 years to recoverr basically from the double whammy of thehe eisenhower losses and the watergate losses. 40 years. democrats could be waiting 40 years to recover from this legislative and -- they may win the white house five of the next six times. >> siberia is big and they are in siberia rightow and they keep nominating bad candidates. i want to pay rachel a compliment. ten days ago former secretary of state clinton was on your show and she said cavalierly that the v.a. scandal was not as widespread as people thought. i thought thank you for that gift, rachel. bernie sanders talking to you this morning made a super pac ad for every republican running for every office in detailing hillary's flips. so they're not very good at running campaigns. >> speaking of rachel, let me
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clinton, sanders and o'malley. take a look. >> i want us to use diplomacy, whicicis why i spent 18 months putting together theanctions agagast iran. however, i will not, i think it's irresponsible to rule out force. >> to me as opposed to maybe other unnamed candidates, the issue of keystone was kind of a no brainer. it never made sense to me from day one as to why you would extract and transport some of the dirtiest fuel on this planet. >> look, our -- contrary to donald trump's assertion, the enduring symbol of our country is not the barbed wire fence, it's the statue of liberty. >> gwen, what did you make? >> first of all, without sucking up overly much, rachel, you did a good job on that. >> thank you for saying so. >> i fell in love with the format, the idea that you engage back and forth with candidates for period of times without them trying to break the rules, without them trying to change a question. >> and d the way, we w wuld do thths with any republblan that want to dothis.
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>> i would, too. i woulul do it. >> no,, meme >> i think the one by one format if you care out -- if this is somewhat everybody says about policy stuff. >> and we can mix it up between parties, you can do that where you alternate democrat republican. >> you can do it one issue at a time. >> and you learn interesting things. listen to bernie sanders say "i don't want to name the names of these people" was disingenuous. of course he's talking about hillary clinton. you listen to hillary clinton say "i don't want to answer your question, rachel, i'd prefer to have someone say i don't want to answer your question, gwen then pretend to answer something else." so it's revealing. if we're going to run campaigns as we were just talking about based on personalities, let's find out more about their personalities. let's find out about their true transparency. i don't think we find that out in one on one on one debates with ten people on stage. >> i can tell you, rachel, the confidence of hillary clinton today versus three weeks ago is unbelievable thehehange and you n see in the bebeie sanders. look at him, he's -- you know, he's getting ananous.
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>he's going for it. he's more than 50 points behind in south carolina. she's got 80% support among african-american democrats in south carolina. he knows where he needs to go. she just needs to run out the clock. the problem, is when hillary clinton tries to run out the clock it's -- that's always when bad things happen. >> that's always like a -- the plot twist in a "law and order." just when you think you can relax, pow. it comes. mark and hugh, you said there's one take away from this show that you haven't been able to shake and it goes back to the republican side of the race. >> ben carson saying when he was interviewed he says he has better things to do and it's very jeb bush where jeb said he had cool things to do and he might not want to do this. these candidates are acting like oh, i'm m g dragged in and i'm going go back to myplow now unless you love me.
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>> we both gassed when youped when he said that. you have to have energy and you have to want to serve. you can't be a martyr. >> also listen to what we heard from carly fiorina, what we have heard from marco rubio and ben carson. wherever they're under attack, wherever they're questioned they immediately say "go to my web site and give me money." >> i wish i could do that. >> ben carson sent out an e-mail saying "i'm under attack. send me money." carly fiorina mentioned her web site 85 times. "i don't want to put out statements but come watch me talk and give me money." there was a certain consistency. >> you looked like you were going to fall over when she said that. >> i was surprised. put it on paper. what's wrong with that? >> marco rubio put out a very long piece on his new defense ststtegy yesterday, ry detailed. 343 ships navy. at's what you needed to do. >> and he did itit with h h tax plans. it's getting scrutinized, beaten up: he did it on taxes. why can't she.
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>> we do have speech-to-text translation capability. every time she says something, let's put it on carly letterhead and hold to it. >> i think e will use that to raise money today. when we come back, the one topic we haven't talked about. in the end game segment, it's the shakespearean nature of the bush family. but there's a bigger issue here. not only has the republican party not been able to figure out what to make of the george w. bush legacy, neither has the bush family. we'll be right back.
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- covering youkid's eyes is one wayo prevent them from seeing something ippropriate. another way is to use parental controls on youtv, computers, and mobile devices to control viewing habits when you're not around. it's in your hands. the more you know. we were going to alert the affiliates and saying "we're going on" because it feels like we should go more than an hour but this last topic, we have a little time. there's more evidenen that neither jeb bush nor the republican party has worked out how to deal with the legacy george w. bush's president. a new book by george h.w. bush unleashed stinging criticism on
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bush 41 not a happy camper about rumsfeld and dick cheney. on rumsfeld he said this "i think he served the president badly, i don't like what he did and i think it hurt the president having his iron-ass view of everything." on cheney. "i don't know, he just became very hard line and very different from the dick cheney i knew and worked with. the reaction to the attacks on 9/11, what to do about the middle east" again he uses this phrase you can't get enough of "iron ass." [ laughter ] mark caputo, we were last week dealing with jeb bush trying to figure out how to outdistance himselff from bush. from whatever -- all things bush. this coulddaven't come at a a worse time forr him. >> it gets even more awkward because this coming week we have the republican party is meeting for its annual or its presidential fund-raiser gathering. dick cheney's featured speaker there. >> hay oh. >> and t(en jeb showing up. so great, getting the band back together one more time to be
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dysfunctional. >> but this feels like, hugh, the republican party doesn't know what to do with the bush leg. >> i a lot don't. the best moment jeb had in the debate so far is when he said "my brother kept us safe." that's the best part of the bush legacy is that after 9/11 he did the hour of our grief speech, gave a state of the union on the axis of evil and the republican base wants that to be w's legacy. hw's comments about cheney and rumsfeld run into that head wind. most of the republicans i talked to admdmed the vice president a lot a a there's not much upside inttacking them. >> at do we ke the best? we like thatt these guys confirm that we suspect. we confirmed this is what h.w. was. we also confirm that if our parents ask about years later what we thought about what we did there may be criticism. i would love to be at their thanksgiving tablend here how that conversation plays out. >> the personal part of this, reading meacham's book, the one thing that i was surprised to feel while reading it, i had an emotional reaction to it which
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same nuclear family having a third go at the presidency. i mean, going through like all of this drama about one of our sons won his governor's race and one of our sons lost, which state do we go to? >> i think you can get on it, george p. bush will run for president in the next few years. >> you brought this up with barbara bush. doesn't it make the "no more bushes" comment make more sense now? >> her comment. >> it was about her. i think she was exhausted. iis funny you say that. i got thh same -- the patriarch and matriarch are exhausted? >> dynastic politics don't solve america and mrs. clinton has the same problem jeb bush has which is this is not something we do well or often in the united states since the adams. >> having been first lady is not thesame as your dad calling your brother "quincy." you know what i'm saying? [ laughter ] it's not a dynasty when you're the same age. >> having bill clinton sitting
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on the sidelines was all of us waiting for him to say something, do something. >> but this is going to be that feel, mark, of the clinton presidency which is what does bill really think? what does bill really think? >> i think to rachel's point about thanksgiving, jeb bush announced last time that he was probably going to go down this road of running for president after thanksgiving. this thanksgiving is going to be a big moment for the bush family because if jeb's poll numbers stay at 4% 50r%oror5% nationalal and remain in the cellarn florida and new h hmpshire and iowa, i imagine that will be a really awkward thanksgiving. >> i so want an invitation. >> he never gets out though, right. >> h.w. in 1980 didn't get out of the race until may. we looked this up. these bushs are fighters. >> getting out of the race at thanksgiving is -- it was embarrassing, it would look like a loss. so is getting out of the race or march or april. if he's going to lose, he's going to lose.
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quitting now serves him -- >> that's a quitter. >> right. that's a quitter. getting beat is on next thanksgiving. >> i think it's important to know that one of the reasons you have to think about florida is we don't have election day in florida, we have election days. we have a month of early voting. a good 50% is cast by absentee ballots. so when you go to the polls in south carolina, you'll haveve30% of the votes in i i florida so you u nt -- if you're going to ddp out, ifou don't do well in newewhampshire, that might be the time. so there can be different benchmarks if bush's situation remains the same. >> i will say this, if there's popcorn involved it will be funnier than "saturday night live" was last night. >> wow. >> i had to get that in there. before we go, i think this might be the most vicious negative ad ever. >> ever. >> let show it. >> t choice for governor couldn't be more clear. john bel edwards answered our country's called and served as a ranger there the 82nd air born
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division. or david vitter who answered a prostitute's call minutes after he skipped a vote honoring 28 soldiers who gave their lives in defense of our freedom. david vitter chose prostitutes over patriots. now the choice is yours. >> whoa. >> hugh and glennave seen it. mark and rachel have not. i love louisiana. the best attack ad before this was out of louisiana four or five years ago which was a coroner's race where they actually acted out a or or movie where a coroner was accused of selling body parts with igor. >> i wanted to fact check it. they're saying h% chose prostitutes after patriots not over. >> politico would give that a half true. i have to leave it there. that's all we have for today. we'll be back next week because
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