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>> chris: i'm chris wallace. if another deadly in london. the prime minister condemns an evil ideology. we will get the latest in live reports from london and we will discuss what it means for the u.s. with roy blunt, a member of the senate intelligence committee. then president trump pulls the u.s. out of the paris climate accord and a global debate. >> wow >> president trump: i was elected to represent the citizens of pittsburgh, not par. >> chris: we will discuss the impact on the environment, the u.s. economy and america's place in the world with scott pruitt, head of the environmental protection agency.
and critics attack president trump for leaving the climate deal, pointing to a long-lasting. >> make our planet great again. >> how was he ever going to explain to his grandchildren what he did to the air they breathe? >> chris: we will talk with one of the world's leading advocate on climate change, former vice president al gore, who calls the president's withdrawal reckless and indefensible. pruitt and al gore, live, only on "fox news sunday" ." plus, former fbi director james comey testifies before congress this week about his conversations with mr. trump. if we will ask our sunday panel about what promises to be a moment of high drama. all right now on "fox news sunday" ." and hello again from fox news in washington. we begin with breaking news out of london, at least seven are dead and dozens injured
after another terror attack targeted britain's capital. this comes less than two weeks after a suicide bomber hit a pop concert in manchester, england. and if you minutes we will talk with senator roy blunt, member of the senate intelligence committee. we'll begin with fox coverage catherine herridge. first grade. >> for the third time in three months terror hit the u.k. and once again, it was on saturday in london as the attackers spread across london bridge and a rented van driving up on the walkway smashing into pedestrians. they then ditched her that vehicle a few blocks away and arm to lift long knives stabbed their way through bars and restaurants nearby with some putting up a fight. all told, at least seven people were killed, 48 injured, many clinically, including an
off-duty police officer. citizens from france, australia and elsewhere were targeted. no word yet on whether any americans were involved. police caught up with the attackers just 8 minutes later shooting that all three, at least one had a beard, camouflage pants and a fake suicide vest. when one attack he reportedly screamed out "praise to a la," the arabic word for god. here's what teresa mee had to say. >> as a country, our response must be what it has always been, when we have been confronted by violence. we must come together, we must pull together and united we will take on and defeat our enemies. >> reporter: police now say they have arrested 12 people following rates in eastern london said to be the home of one of the attackers. it is a sign that authorities be
on the trail of the terrorist, police also doing a thorough forensic search of the entire site, but what is next? prime minister teresa mae also said today terror breeds terror. >> chris: great reporting from london. thanks for that. let's bring in chief intelligence respondent catherine herridge with the latest on who was behind the attack. >> within minutes of the attack a senior isis affiliated social media account pushed out propaganda on using vehicles as weapons, threatening more violence. it's not clear whether they were opportunistic or if they played a role. this morning, u.s. and u.k. intelligence are focused on the suspects and whether they acted alone or had a network behind them. british security sources reporting that very early indications suggest the attack may have been pulled together at short notice. if with the rising homegrown threat, british police are
trained to quickly neutralize suspects as they did last night. >> that vehicle continue to drive from london bridge to the market. the suspects then left the vehicle and a number of people were stabbed. the suspects were shot dead by armed officers. >> reporter: homeland security is saying that at this time they have no information to indicate if specific credible threat to the united states. secretary kelly told fox last night he worries we have "right around the corner having a similar attack but for the efforts of dhs and law enforcement agencies." he spoke with the british prime minister last night expressing his condolences and praising the heroic response of london police and first responders. the president also seem to make a political point that the attack bolstered his travel ban. we need to be smart, vigilant and tough, he tweeted. we need the courts to give us back our rights. we need the travel ban extra
level of security, safety. questions being raised this morning about a possible intelligence failure. >> chris: joining me now, roy blunt, a member of the senate intelligence committee. welcome back. >> senator blunt: good to be with you. >> chris: what can you add to what we just heard from catherine herridge? >> senator blunt: what we are seeing is such a broad band of potential attacks. we hear from her own intelligence community and have for years, more threats for more directions than ever before. you see the terrible manchester bombing, young people, mostly young women, young girls, with a fairly sophisticated bomb, based on published reports on that. these guys have a van and kitchen knives. we think other groups are looking at more advanced kinds of attacks so clearly this is from all directions, isis tends to take credit for the things that you can steal a truck, get
your van drive in the car, terrorized people with very little planning or backup. other groups believe are looking at other things we believe and we are constantly have to be vigilant, i think secretary kelly is right when he says that only because we have been fortunate and worked hard to prevent this have we not had these kinds of attacks here. >> chris: i want to play a clip from british prime minister made today. here it is. >> while the recent attacks are not connected by common networks, they are connected in one important sense. they are bound together by the single evil ideology of islamist extremism. >> chris: any explanation as to why we have seen three fatal terror attacks in britain in less than three months? >> senator blunt: i don't know if there's any real explanation for that, but in paris and
london and western europe, generally, it got people who came there to do jobs that were allowed to stay in enclaves, never became part of the societ society. you see the second generation of those families often turning to what the prime minister mentioned, we need to say, we need to talk about it, our friends who are muslim need to admit that this extreme sense of islam that results in these attacks has to be called for what it is and we have to try to do what we can to intervene. >> chris: i've heard the argument that because we are beginning to roll back isis and the so-called caliphate in iraq and syria that there is an increased sense on these attacks, these low technology attacks in the west. do you think our success in one place is great more of a threat? >> senator blunt: i think you can. somebody made the observation that long ago that sometimes countries implode.
syria seems to have exploded. as things change in syria people have access to europe in ways that you would otherwise want to try and do something about. there's no way to do background checks on people that come in from communities that no longer exist, jobs that work jobs months or years ago. if i think we do see that. like so many of the things that happened in northern africa, what people initially thought would be the result would turn out to be just the opposite. >> chris: as a member of the committee, any indication of an increased terror threat here in the u.s.? >> senator blunt: i think the terror threat is real. one of the things -- when we've seen things like san bernardino, more often than not u.s. officials, the fbi and others talk to these people after months of surveillance decided they no longer needed to be
under the level of watch they were and then suddenly these kinds of things happen. i do think, again, you've got some groups that are looking at a big plate like taking down an airliner. you've got others who need very little support, very little planning and can do incredible damage, which is actually in many ways almost more of terrorism because you go anywhere, do anything, you wonder what could happen at any moment. >> chris: on a saturday night. >> senator blunt: of the london bridge, the westminster bridge, the concert. if all of these things are true terror targets. it's not like going after the u.s. embassy. they are true terror targets. >> chris: as catherine mentioned just after the news broke about this terror attack, president trump tweeted another call for his travel ban. that case is now before the u.s. supreme court. do you think the justices should
pay attention to the kind of thing that is happening in england and other parts of the world as they make that decision? the fact is, in britain, most of these terrorists have been homegrown. they've been u.k. citizens. >> senator blunt: they have been. looking at where people like that who come to our country have been is important. if i'm nearly as concerned as a lot of people are about the visa waiver program. it just means you can spend more time will you believe people who have been in libya may be syria, maybe become radicalized. my view is the president does have certainly the right to put in place extreme vetting. it's been four months since i they needed four months. i think they can do that without a travel ban and hopefully we are.
>> chris: a lot of anticipation about the testimony this week from fbi -- former fbi director james comey, what you expect to hear from them, what questions do you have for him? >> senator blunt: i think it's important that we talk to everybody who should be talk to about this. i do believe that the senate intelligence committee is the most likely place to bring this investigation to conclusion with whatever the conclusion turned out to be. used to dealing with each other on issues like this, we are used to classify documents, used to coming together to protect the country. hopefully that's what we will be able to do. what comey says and how he says that i think will be important. haven't frankly understood understood much of what he has done since about a year ago. his decisions have been, i think, fairly questionable. we will see why he was prepared for that meeting the way he was, said he had a round of murder
board kind of questions before he went to see the quest to my president, for he thought it was important to immediately download that and what other meetings he had that frankly he didn't think were so important to tell him what happen. >> chris: finally, do you think that president trump has a legitimate claim to executive privilege to block comey from testifying and as a practical matter to you think you should invoke a? >> senator blunt: i think the president is better served by getting all this information ou out. sooner or later let's find out what happened and bring this to a conclusion. you don't do that by invoking executive privilege on a conversation you had apparently with nobody else in the room. most stories have two sides to them. at some point we will hear the president side. i frankly think we need to hear mr. comey's side and find out what other questions we need to ask after he answers the questions this week. >> chris: senator blunt, thank you. thank you for coming in on short
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>> chris: a look outside the beltway at pittsburgh, the president said he's looking looking out for residents of the former steel town and pulling out of the paris climate deal. international leaders, business executives and people around the world are still reacting to president trump's decision this week. in a few minutes we will talk
with former vice president
al gore, a leading advocate on climate change. joining me now is scott pruitt, mr. trump's for the environmental protection agency and a key player in the president's decision. mr. pruitt, welcome back to "fox news sunday." >> administrator pruitt: good morning chris. >> chris: i want to start with a question you are asked repeatedly on friday. here it is. >> yes or no, does the president believe that the climate change is of real threat to the united? >> administrator pruitt: what's interesting about all the discussions we had through the last several weeks have been focused on one singular issue, is paris good or not for this country? >> chris: let me get this straight, you and the president spent weeks discussing whether he should pull out all the paris climate deal and are never discussed climate change? >> administrator pruitt: it was about the merits and demerits of the deal. when you look at what this country has achieved since the late 1990s, to thousands,
we've seen an 18% production atomic reduction in our co2. we are a pre1994 levels. what's interesting about all this criticism from the left is if you go back to the time of the was cut, those same groups, james hansen, former national scientist called it a fake and a fraud. they were critical of what was achieved in paris because it didn't hold china, it did not hold india accountable in the united states agreed to 28 to 46% reductions. >> chris: we will get into all of that, but what i'm asking you is, as the epa administrator, as his point person on the environment, this means that a conversation over the last few months that you have to have, whether or not climate change is real or a hole, as the president suggested, and whether or not human activity contributes to it? you're saying you've never had that conversation? over the last few months. >> administrator pruitt: of
the conversation over the last few weeks was centered on the merits and demerits of the agreement. the president said during the campaign, climate change occurrence. i've said that climate change is occurring, human activity contributes to it. >> chris: he also said it was a hoax. >> administrator pruitt: at the point here, and to your question, this is something over the last several weeks, the president has received much information about the impact on jobs and also the impact on the environment. we have nothing to be apologetic about as a country with respect to what we've done in reducing our co2 footprint. >> chris: you are not going to tell me whether or not the president believes climate change is a hoax whether or not human activity -- it's a simple question. >> administrator pruitt: the president has indicated that the climate changes. it's always changing. what's important here is what the president did on thursday is put america first and say to the united states and the world that we will remain engaged, where we are also going to make sure that
we will put america first. >> chris: he pulled out of the deal largely on economic terms. curious. >> president trump: the american families will suffer the consequences in the form of lost jobs and a diminished quality of life. >> chris: the study that the president cited was funded by two groups that are dramatically opposed to environmental regulation and the study itself acknowledges -- this is a quote from the study "it does not take into account the potential benefits from emissions. the study results are not a benefit cost analysis of climate change. it's a worst-case scenario. >> administrator pruitt: if there were several studies that were actually published in response to paris. the heritage study. there were several. what we know from the paris agreement objectively is that it
was a $2.5 trillion contraction to our economy over ten years. what we do know is it impacted up to 400,000
jobs in this country. it impacted the manufacturing base and energy jobs. we've had almost 50,000 jobs created in the mining and coal sector alone. it month of may, almost 7,000 jobs. i think with also being missed here is that when you look at how we generate electricity in this country, the power grid. we need to feel diversity. we need coal, natural gas, hydro, renewables. it provides stability and lowers cost. our price per kilowatt compared to germany, compared to europe is far better and it helps us grow jobs in this country. >> chris: argue focusing on the wrong thing? i want to put up some surprising statistics. the u.s. now employs more than
double the number of people in the solar industry than it does and coal. are you in the president talking about protecting the horse and buggy business just as cars? >> administrator pruitt: absolutely not. we need hydrocarbon stored on-site at utility companies across the country -- attacks on our great, a tax on infrastructure. you want a diversity of fuels that generate electricity. it's bad business. >> chris: president trump is about protecting the people of pittsburgh. the mayor of pittsburgh said we are not a steel town anymore, we are a green town and in fact he rejected what the president said and the mayor of pittsburgh, he said we are going to comply with the paris climate accord. >> administrator pruitt: this president has said that we truly need -- we should not penalize sectors of our economy. government regulation shouldn't
be used to pick winners and losers. the past administration declared a war on coal and there were several facilities across the country shut
down because of their -- government regulation should be about making things regular, not picking winners and losers and making sure we have fuel diversity and generating electricity in this country. the job numbers show already, already, that this president's agenda, his leadership in the energy space is making a difference for jobs across -- almost 50,000. >> chris: 's the president also said that the paris climate accord and pulling out of it isn't going to make all that much different on the environment. here he has. >> president trump: with total compliance from all nations, it is estimated it would only produce two tenths of 1 degree, think of that, this much. >> chris: the people behind the study, that study that he just cited say that he took a number from 2014 before the
targets for the paris accord were even reached. the cofounder of the program said this about the white house. they found a number, the point they want to make, a debate trick. the people behind the study say it's not going to solve everything, but it makes an important contribution. >> administrator pruitt: what short memories these folks have. what short memories they have. james hansen, former nasa scientist, the father of climate change, he's been called, called paris a fake and a fraud because of everything the president cited. it came out criticizing -- 's feeling are talking about the mit authors? >> administrator pruitt: it's fishy to me that mit updated their study or their results after we started siding it. no one it is questioning the methodology. >> chris: you cited their study before paris. >> administrator pruitt: what's interesting is before
paris, before paris, this country reduce their co2 footprint over 18%. what does that demonstrate? it demonstrates that american innovation, american technology is leading the way with respect to reducing the co2 footprint, not government mandate. if china and india want to reduce their co2 footprint. india, by the way, any agreement, conditioned any steps that they would take on receiving $2.5 trillion of aid. china agreed to make no steps until the year 2,030. >> chris: let me pick up on that because you've taken me exactly where i want to go. working together. [laughs] the president had one more big complaint about paris and he said he treats the u.s. unfairl unfairly. >> president trump: china will be allowed to build hundreds of additional coal plants, so we can't build the plants, but they can. according to this agreement.
india will be allowed to double its coal production by 2020. >> chris: here again, the reality is different, is very different from what the president said. china has canceled plans for more than 100 coal plants and promises 20% of its energy consumption will be green by 2030. india has pledged 40% of its energy will be renewable by 2030. if it set to pass japan this year is the world's third-largest market for solar power. it may not mandated in the paris agreement, but in fact china and india are going green already. >> administrator pruitt: one of the keywords on the screen was plans. china was building over 360 new cogeneration facilities. 800 800 plans. maybe they've gone back on the number that are planned, but they are burning coal and they will continue to pull coal. >> chris: we are burning coal. >> administrator pruitt: we have a contraction with respect, we used to be well above 40%, we
are now down around 30% or less. if this country has frontloaded its cost. the rest of the world that we will get to that later. they applauded -- when we joined paris, the rest of the world applauded. it took this country at an economic disadvantage. the clean power plan alone represented almost $300 million of compliance cost to our economy. france and other countries want us to stay in that deal, it's a bad deal for the country. the president didn't say, by the way, that we will continue engagement. he said paris represents -- >> chris: renegotiate and all of the leaders around the world, certainly in europe, said forget it. >> administrator pruitt: he also said either a new deal or as part of the paris agreement. we are the united states, we don't lose our seat at the table. we joined the treaty in 1992, called the u.n. aftra policy
with respect to climate change, we will remain engaged internationally but we will make sure that if we make deals with what the interest of america first. this is applauded by small business. "the new york times" yesterday had an article that small business that applauded -- >> chris:
i don't want you to filibuster so we can't get to al gore. you brought up a lot of legitimate point, mr. pruitt, thank you for your time, always good to talk with you and thank you for answering the questions. >> administrator pruitt: that's what it's all about. >> chris: up next, former vice president al gore on mr. trump's decision to pull out the paris accord.
>> chris: former vice president al gore's breakthrough documentary "an inconvenient truth" about the topic of climate change to the forefront. not surprisingly he is one of the sharpest critics of mr. trump's decision this week. we welcome him from what we believe is his first is his first appearance on fox news since the 2000 campaign.
great to have you back. >> vice pres. gore: great to be back, thank you for inviting me. >> chris: before we get to climate change i want to ask about this terrible attack in london. how do we stop these attacks on the last and is president trump's travel been part of the answer? >> vice pres. gore: most of the attacks, both in england and here in the united states have been by homegrown terrorists and of course the courts will deal with the travel ban. they've already been struck down, we will see what the supreme court does. the scorch of terrorism, we have to defeat it, but we have to defeat it not only with the force of arms but with the force of our values. i truly believe that giving people around the world a sense that the world has our act together and we will move forward to a bright future, is one of the important tasks at hand. >> chris: let's turn to the subject at hand. he met with president-elect during the transition to discuss climate change and afterwards
you said this. >> vice pres. gore: i had a lengthy and very productive session with the president-elec president-elect. it was a sincere search for areas of common ground. >> chris: you also talk with mr. trump, we are told, last month with staying in the climate deal. did you misjudge the president? >> vice pres. gore: i've kept my communications with him confidential. i think that's the right way to handle it. none of it would surprise you, i did my best to persuade him it was in our country's best interest to stay in the paris agreement. i thought there was a chance that he would do that. i'm sorry that he made the other decision. >> chris: how do you explain it? >> vice pres. gore: you have to ask him for the exclamation, it makes no sense to me. and reckless decision, and indefensible decision. i think it undermines our nations standing in the world and it threatens humanity's ability to solve this crisis in
time. make no mistake about it, this country is going to continue to solve the climate crisis. governors like jerry brown and andrew cuomo, jay ensley, many others, mayors, mike bloomberg is doing a great job rallying mayors around the country. we are going to continue reducing emissions. atlanta just decided to go 100% renewable and there are many, many others. >> chris: you partly challenge scott pruitt, i will challenge you. let's talk about some of the concerns people have about paris. president trump talked about one. >> president trump: includes yet another scheme to redistribute wealth out of the united states through the so-called "green climate fund," nice name. >> chris: under the paris accord, 37 developed countries agreed to provide $100 billion to developing countries. why is that fair?
>> vice pres. gore: when the marshall plan was launched by the united states after world war ii, it ended up benefiting us tremendously as well as making the world a better place. we would be 11 on the list of nations per capita in helping the country to meet this climate challenge. and by the way, one of the opportunities for us is to export our products and create more jobs here. you showed some jobs in the solar industry earlier. solar jobs are now growing 17 times faster than other jobs. it's the brightest spot. if we get out there in the economy, if we get out there and help lead the sustainability for evolution, it benefits our economy. >> chris: here's the problem i think a lot of people have. countries like the u.s., which have been developing an industrial economy since the 19th century, the argument is that somehow we owe something to countries that didn't.
>> vice pres. gore: is a global challenge in the world community as a whole has to face up to. this administration has said there's no such thing as a global community. actually, there is, because we as a civilization are putting 110 million tons of heat trapping global warming pollution up into the sky every day as if it's an open sewer. the climate crisis is real, chris. i'm sure you know that, president trump won't say whether he believes it's real or not, but it is real. you don't have to rely on the virtually unanimous opinion of the scientific community anymore. mother nature is telling us every night on the tv news now is like a nature hike through the book of revelations. people are noticing this, these downpours and historic floods. the u.s. just in the last ten
years. we cut these wildfires that become magnifiers now. 70% of florida is in drought today. ms. everett declared an emergency just a couple of days ago because of another one of these. they keep on coming. >> vice pres. gore: let me pick up on that, let's say that we agree and you know a lot of people don't, some people don't. some people that watch fox news don't. even if you believe in greenhouse gas and climate change, there are some? how effective the accord is in dealing with it. here's what epa administrator scott pruitt set on friday about the effectiveness of the u.s. target, which is to reduce our greenhouse gas emissions by a quarter under 2005 levels. >> targets at 26-28%. with the entire agenda, we still fell 40% short of those targets. if a failed deal to begin with.
>> chris: you would agree that even if all 195 nations, now 194 method targets, it still wouldn't solve the problem. >> vice pres. gore: that is correct, however it sends a very powerful signal to business and industry and civil society, and countries around the world. since the paris agreement was reached, look at what has happened. you talk about china earlier, china has not reduced its emissions four years in a row. it's reduced its coal burning three years in a row. india is now in the midst of a massive shift from coal to solar. unbelievable, and he had just announced two weeks ago that within 13 years 100% of their automobiles will have to be electric vehicles. we are seeing this in this country as well. if i went to one of the most conservative republican cities in america, georgetown texas, in an oil state. they have just completed a trick transition 200% new energy.
>> chris: it's a philosophical argument, delete government regulations or will the economy -- will the market work, and we took the case of solar, which has now doubled, pretty astonishing. we got some stats here. greenhouse gas emissions already declined 12% below 2005 levels. between 2004-2015. clean energy rose from $10 billion to 56 billion and as we point out now, twice as many jobs and solar as." isn't the world going green on its own, doesn't need the international regulation? >> vice pres. gore: the answer is yes. and yes. we are in the midst of a sustainability revolution that has the magnitude of the industrial revolution but the speed of the digital revolution. but we still need good policies because we have to move faster. we are in a race against time here. we are seeing very encouraging
changes but we have to change faster. the late economist rudy dornbusch, he once said things take longer to happen and you think it will and then they happen much faster than you think they could. if the paris agreement was the successful effort to send the signal, this train is leaving the station, everybody on board. the u.s. should be on board. states and cities and businesses are on board, if we had the president onboard an end good policy we could move even faster. >> chris: i will fact-checking. after your movie came out in 2006 2006 you made the following comments as part of our publicity for the movie. you said unless we took "drastic measures, the world would reach a point of no return within ten years and you called it a true planetary emergency." 11 years later, for it around? >> vice pres. gore: we have seen a decline in emissions on a global basis.
for the first time they've stabilized and started to decline. some of the responses of the last ten years have helped. unfortunately, and regrettably, a lot of serious damage has been done. agreement, for example, is losing 1 cubic kilometer of ice every single day. i went down to miami and saw fish from the ocean swimming in the streets from a sunny day. the same thing was true in honolulu just two days ago. just from high tides because of the sea level rising. we are going to suffer some of these consequences, but we can limit and avoid the most catastrophic consequences if we accelerate the pace of change that is now beginning. >> chris: we should point out you have a sequel coming up, called "an inconvenient sequel." i understand that you will have to rewrite the ending because of the decision the president just made. >> vice pres. gore: the director is bonnie cohen john shank are putting a new segment
at the end of the movie and i think is appropriate. >> chris: thank you, thanks for joining us. let's not wait another 17 years. >> vice pres. gore: deal. >> chris: okay. if up next bring in our sunday group to discuss a moment of high drama when former fbi director james comey truck, testifies in front of the senate intelligence committee. go to facebook or twitter, @foxnewssunday, and we may use your question on the air.
>> is the white house going to invoke executive privilege to get him to not testify? >> i'm not spoken to consuela, i don't know how they will respon respond. >> chris: white house press secretary sean spicer not answering whether the white house will try to block the former fbi director from talking to congress on thursday. time now for our sunday group, fox news senior political analyst brit hume, columnist for the hill juan williams. julie pace, who covers the white house for the associated press, and jason wally from "the wall street journal." julie, as we say, the right house refuses to say it but "the new york times" was reporting over the weekend that the president is unlikely to
invoke executive privilege to block them from testifying, one because it would be a p.r. disaster and to because his legal case is kind of weak. what are you hearing from your sources? >> what i've heard is that the president is leaning toward not invoking executive privilege for his testimony but it still an open decision. it will be discussed in the coming days. as we know, it's not a final decision. i think there are a couple of reasons, it actually is a discussion because they are worried about what comey could potentially save but they also recognize that if they do invoke executive privilege, just the optics makes it look like you're hiding, makes it look like whatever he might say is going to be problematic for the president. they have a little bit of wiggle room here. if they don't invoke executive privilege and comey does say something that is damaging to the president, you will hear administration officials point out that in previous testimony that he's done on capitol hill, the fbi has had to corrected.
that's the argument that they will be sent to make. if leaning towards no, still an open discussion. >> chris: we asked you for questions for the panel. if there is got on twitter from hate dirty politics. why did he wait so long to come out and say he was threatened by him, why after he was fired, and is this revenge for being fired? jason, a lot of our viewers are asking why didn't comey either resign or blow the whistle as soon as he believed the president was somehow trying to impede his investigation? >> an excellent question. he took some notes and share them with a few people. if he really thought that trump had engaged an obstruction of justice he had a duty to come forward and report that to higher officials in the justice department and certainly go public with it. he didn't do that which suggest to me which tell mike that he didn't think what company debt amounted to it. >> it has to be impeding an
investigation and a corrupt way, political reasons or some other illegitimate reasons. to ask and fbi director, if he could see his way clear, they will let the investigation go. flynn had just been fired. my guess is if comey looked at that and he was being asked if he could do it, his view was he couldn't see his way through to do that. he didn't do it and then he had testimony from him and also from his deputy that said that no effort to impede the investigation. i suspected as jason says, comey did not think there was obstruction of justice involved. he would have said so. this is a guy that hasn't that has proved more than once. he didn't threaten comey that we know of. >> chris: juan? >> i think if comey had come forward and done that i would have a grandstanding and it
would have impeded the ongoing investigation. even if he saw it as constituting obstruction of justice, what was appropriate was to make a part of the investigation and see where it went from there. at this point there so much beer in the white house of what is coming. they have now formed their own group to try and get ahead of this, but this remains a dark cloud over the president. >> chris: the legal issue, there's also the political issue. you and i have covered a lot of these big hearings for all of washington and a lot of the country stops to wait to see the key witness raises hand and take the oath. how potentially politically damaging, maybe not legally -- not a case for prosecution, but how politically damaging this potentially be? >> it could be damaging -- i don't think juan's exultation holds up very well and i don't
think comay is in any position to say he he obstructed justice so i kept quiet about it. >> chris: if you decide what he supposedly wrote in his memo, is damaging. >> that's already out there, whatever damage has been done on that, it might be reinforced for a couple of days but that doesn't really change the atmosphere or move the ball very much. remember this. he will be under the same strictures as he was in office about the obstruction of an ongoing investigation. he really can't do that much which is why i think is gearing like so many others before it will probably not quite live up to it. the coverage will be unbelievable. >> one of the important things to keep in mind is the amount of damage that the hearing creates is tied to how the president response. the president will be watching the hearing like everybody else. we've seen that he has an inability to prevent him self from reacting. he's tweeting in real time, if he is giving interviews afterwards -- can't spill what you hope he does that, don't
you? >> we always like to hear from the president. >> chris: jason? >> that's the damage. if sean spicer and said we want to talk about infrastructure ths week. how much are we going to be talking but infrastructure with his hearing going on? that's the political damage. it keeps this in the news and instead of being focused on advancing an agenda on whether it's infrastructure, health care, tax reform, we are talking about the drip from the investigation. >> bob mueller would not be a special counsel in this deal if we didn't have word of just this kind of interaction between comey and the president and the pressure on sessions. >> i don't think we have any way of knowing that that's true. >> this has always been described as a counterintelligence investigation. to get to the bottom of what the russians tried to do to the election, as a part of that, just a part, i question whether there had been collusion between the trump campaign and the
russians. >> it has tremendous political damage -- collateral damage for the president and the reason we are discussing obstruction of justice and whether or not it would have been inappropriate for james going to come forward at that moment is because the investigation continues and it has escalated. >> i would agree with that entirely, i will say it again, this case has traveled farther on less evidence, i'm talking about the collusion piece of it than any scandal i think i've ever seen. >> intelligence agencies have said russia interfere. >> what's the underlying crime? >> the underlying crime potentially would be obstruction of justice by the president of the united states. >> if there had been one crime identified and mike for him it was the victim. >> you think that's the only crime? trying to undercut the obama sanctions, but doesn't bother
you? >> that's not a crime. >> chris: this is kind of a fox to sunday panel classic, juan and brit back at it again. as we mentioned earlier, president trump made a new push for his travel ban in a tweet while the attack in london was still unfolding. he's taking the case to the supreme court. here's what vice president pence had to say this week. >> the ability to come into the united states of america is a privilege, not a right. >> chris: does this latest attack had a new impetus the president's call for travel ban? >> i don't think it does. he clearly does. he was winking it in his tweets. the united kingdom is not part of the list of countries that would be subjected to the band, ban. mostly these are homegrown folks, the manchester bomber was someone who was born and raised
in manchester. here domestically, that's what they're worried about, people already here being radicalized. you see the car in mind that the administration laid out for the temporary family, they wanted several months, they've had several months. what struck me about this is trump, again, tweeting and talking about this publicly. that has been a problem in these court cases that have come up so far, the judges have been throwing his words back at him saying they speak to a state of mind here. he has to be more disciplined in how we talked about this. >> chris: i will pick up on that because the whole band, which was put out, the original on january 27, 1 weekend, 90 day delay, 120 day delay while they put together an extreme vetting plan. we are now 130 days into the administration, why didn't they put together the plan so they didn't have to worry about the
ban? >> it's a great question, that plan is essentially nowhere. what we are told at the end of the first week is the rust rollout of the original ban was because the threat was so urgent. certainly i think that has been undermined. the administration has not moved quickly on the extreme vetting. it ties back into what we were talking about what's going on, the white house has been focused on the idea that this is not a travel ban, i don't want to use the language in the president puts the language back out on the table. >> chris: thank you, see you next week. we will be right back with a final word.
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