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>> chris: i'm chris wallace. a government shutdown, the stock market is in free fall and the defense secretary over a sudden shift in policy. are the wheels coming off the term presidency? >> they are chaotic weeks and then there is this week. >> chris: from the shut down and show down. >> it is a democrat shut down because we have done our things. >> they are not getting the wall today, next week, or on january 3rd. >> chris: to the worst week in the market in ten years. >> what is going on with stocks? once pristine and going up, up up and away, they are sliding away. >> chris: controversial moves in the middle east. >> it is in our national security interest not to withdraw at this time.
this is akin to surrendering. >> chris: that leads to a stunning resignation. >> i am shaken by the resignation by general madison what it means to our country, the message it sends to our troops. >> chris: we will discuss the current state of the trump presidency with mick mulvaney, then perspective from a washington veteran, former secretary of defense. and is president trump opening himself up to a possible 2020 challenge? will talk with ohio's republican governor john kasich, a frequent trump critic. then our sunday panel about news blitz between the president and the g.o.p. on capitol hill. if all right now on "fox news sunday" ." and hello again from fox news in washington. we are in today to have a partial government shutdown with no end in sight, but that's just part of a turbulent week in
washington even by trump standards. the shutdowns main sticking point is funding for the presidents border wall. rattled by uncertainty over the start down, rising interest rates. then there's the fallout from mr. trump's decision to pull troops out of syria and afghanistan that led defense secretary james mattis to resign. in a moment, we will speak to the president's new chief of staff mick mulvaney. but first, look at the latest from doug mckelway here in washington. >> this morning, the capital is quiet and mostly empty after members scurried home late yesterday when it became clear there was no prospect for a deal before christmas. late saturday, both chambers decided to adjourn before thursday, only a faint hope of finding common ground on a deal to fund nine remaining federal departments in a border wall. votes were further lifted when they announced a luncheon with members but the list of invitees showed only republicans, most of
them immigration hardliners. >> the president is prepared for a very long government shut down, albeit a partial shutdown. >> senate minority leader chuck schumer was signaling his disdain for any bill that contained funding for a border wall. >> it is not interesting and swindling american taxpayers for an unnecessary, ineffective, and wasteful policy. what we do support, democrats and republicans, is real, effective border security. but not a wall. >> meanwhile, more pentagon departures are expected following general madison and rattled by the stock markets precipitous dive, the president has said to be infuriated over the feds decision to raise interest rates, even asking aides if he can take the historically unprecedented step of firing fed chief jerome powell. as members of congress rushed home for the holidays, president trump tweeted "i will not be going to florida because of the shut down, staying in the
white house." one of the attendees at yesterday's white house lunges set under richard shelby alabama describe the presidents mood as exuberant. >> chris: joining me now, what has project director and the president's incoming chief of staff, mick mulvaney. welcome back to fox news sunday. >> good morning, merry christmas. >> chris: thank you, same to you. what is the latest on talks to end the shut down and with now out at least until december 27th, how long is this going to go on? >> this is what washington looks like. this is what washington looks like. we have a president who refuses to sort of go along to get along. you are seeing a fight over border security just like we had a fight over taxes and a fight over deregulation and a fight over trade, a fight over syria so this is what it looks like. i met yesterday with the vice president and mr. schumer met throughout the day as her story indicated, some republican members to talk about where we were in the discussions. we were given an offer, a
counter offer to mr. schumer late yesterday afternoon and immediately thereafter, the senate wanted to reassess until thursday. that does it mean a week until thursday before we hear something back but i don't think things are going to move very quickly here the next couple of days. >> chris: are we talking a week, until the new congress comes in on january 3rd? >> a couple of different things, government shut down on a sunday anyway, they shut down tomorrow anyway because the federal holiday and then christmas is another federal holiday so thursday is the first day this kicks in. the paychecks will go out on the 28th. i want everybody to understand, no one is working without getting paid. the next pay period that is impacted is january 11th. i think it's very possible that the shutdown will be on the 28th and into the new congress. >> chris: are talking about $1.3 billion for border security, but none of it for the wall. here is senate democratic leader
chuck schumer on the subject. >> if you want to government, you must abandon the wall, plain and simple. >> chris: first of all, what's going on in the democratic side? >> that's an important line because it's important that everyone understands a language that everyone is using. the president weeded out a picture yesterday the steel cited fence and that's what we want to build. and the democrats mind, that is not a wall so they have this $1.3 billion to build the barrier that we want that go on tv and say there's no money for a while. we've already told the democrats they want to build with the president weeded out. does it have to be concrete. >> chris: you think they would have this deal picket fence. >> here's the problem, as recent as two weeks ago, $1.6 billion for that same thing to their moving in the wrong direction. it's a really good question as
to whether or not this deal can be cut before the new congress comes in. there is one for her election. being beholden to her left wing to where she cannot be seen as agreeing with the president on anything until after she is speaker. if that's the case, there's a chance we go into the next congress. >> chris: so you are suggesting or outright saying that nancy pelosi and her effort to ensure that she is a speaker may hold us up until she is elected. >> we have been talking to mr. schumer, the bill right now is in the senate, the ball is in the senates court. any bill that comes out of the senate on this topic will have to have 60 votes, have to have democrats support but i certainly think the speakers dynamic is in play here. >> chris: was look at it from your side. the president's $5 million, what is his bottom line? there's talk from summer publicans i had lunch with the president yesterday.
the counteroffer that we give them yesterday was between those two numbers. we moved off of the five and we hope they move up from their 1.3. >> chris: president trump has been all over the place on this whole issue with the shutdown, here's where he was two weeks ago and where he was on friday, take a look. >> i am proud to shut down the government for border security. i will take the mantle. i will be the one to shut it down. i am not going to blame you for it. it is up to the democrats, so it's really the democrat shut down. >> chris: if the president is both proud to shut down the government and is ready to take the mantle, why is he suddenly calling it the democrat shut down the? >> he is proud to be having the fight, let's make that clear. he is proud to point out that he has voted. i get to that in a second.
he is proud to have this fight. i asked him where we are on the back and forth. the ball right now is in their court. we made them an offer yesterday afternoon so that senate democrats have the ability right now to open the government and agree to the deal. that's where the back-and-forth is. >> chris: you don't see them flipping when he says i'm proud to shut down the government? >> they come back with something in the ball is on our court, it's a different dynamic. but right now, the ball into their court as to what they have. >> chris: you have your own record when it comes to immigration and the border wall, you knew i was going to ask you this. here's what you said as a congressman 2015. >> defense doesn't solve the problem. is it necessary to have one? sure. would it help? sure. but to just say build the darn fence and have that be the end of the immigration discussion is absurd and almost childish for someone running for president to take that simplistic view. >> chris: if building the wall is childish and simplistic as a
solution for the immigration problem, why is it worth shutting down the government? >> it has to be part of a comprehensive. >> chris: it isn't. you're saying it's part of a comprehensive immigration plan. that's what you said, but that's not what the president is saying. >> a border wall is necessary. we've known this since reagan. he gave away the amnesty, never got the border security. everyone is aware of that, don't want to make the same mistake. a border wall is absolutely necessary which is why we are having the battle. so too are changing our policies on immigration. the reports i didn't get reported this week is the agreement we wage with mexico to have mexico agreed to keep people seeking asylum in the united states and mexico, so they come to the border right now or at least before this week, they were allowed to stay in this country pending their decision. now mexico will keep them in mexico. it is going to have a tremendous deterrent effect on people coming to the border. we need a comprehensive solution
to border security in a border barrier, steel slat fence has to be part of that. if you want one of the reasons that i think people here in washington are so rattled this week is because the shutdown comes exactly at the same time as the president made a dramatic decision on pulling troops out of syria and drawing down troops in afghanistan which led to the resignation of defense secretary james mattis. i went to put up the resignation in which he writes this. my views on trading allies with respect and also being clear about both malign actors and strategic competitors are strongly held and informed by their decades of immersion in these issues. so secretary mattis is saying that he quit because his views on trading allies with respect and being clear about our enemies do not align with president trump. >> i don't think it was a dramatic decision.
>> chris: is the first time i defense secretary has ever resigned over policy in the country. >> i think he resigned for the same reasons. >> chris: when i don't believe he resigned over a matter of policy. if it leaked out this week. it leaked out from the defense department for this is not something that was done at the drop of a hat. the president has been working on this for two years so it's unfortunate that it came out the way that it did but this is not a snap decision and not a surprise to anybody because exactly what the president said he was going to do. as to his resignation, if the cabinet secretary simply has such a misalignment with the president's priorities that he cannot serve him that is the right reason to leave. >> chris: i completely agree with you but the reason he left is because he believes that allies should be treated with respect and we ought to be clear about our enemies and he clearly doesn't think that he feels the same way. >> let's be honest with each
other, the relationship between these two men, the president no longer relied to deliver the president's vision. the president has to know. i don't have to agree with the president and everything he has to do and were not going to. he hires people who disagree with him because he likes that different input. but physically incapable of doing what he wants me to do just because i don't believe it, i cannot serve him well and i need to leave and i think. >> chris: very honorable thing. i want to put up the u.s. envoy to the coalition to fight isis and the chairman of the joint chiefs who both in recent days had expressed were they thought about u.s. troops in syria. >> even at the end of the physical caliphate now coming into sight, the end devices will be a much more long-term initiative. i would be reluctant to affix in time. >> chris: we both said that this month and the envoy has
just quit because he also disagreed so strongly the president's policies, couple of questions, the president says in a tweet he didn't know brett mcgurk. how is it possible that the president doesn't know the envoy who has been representing. >> despite what people think i'm in the white house is not grand central station, so the president gets briefed. >> chris: here's the question against the recommendations of the chairman of joint chiefs, pompeo and bolton, who is he listening to? >> the people that he promised when he ran for office he was going to lead, we recognize the fact that this is unpopular
within the beltway, it is unpopular within the defense department, it is unpopular with ordinary american people. >> chris: with all due respect to democracy and i agree with you about that, do they really know what the stakes are of pulling u.s. troops out and leaving the syrian defense force to the turkish slaughter and what the impact is going to be on iran? we are going to make this? >> ordinary americans have no idea about those things, they elect a president so that he does and he has a complete understanding of what you just played out in the decision is his. we serve the president. i am not the president of the united states. our job is to get him the information from all sides and believe me, he sees information from all sides. the fact that his decision is now popular to some people is more their problem than his. asked me what i've got one more question and got a minute for them. the stock markets have had their worst week since the great recession in 2008.
at least two top national security officials resigned this week and there is talk about more resignations for the pentagon, congressional republicans are now breaking with the present whether it's on syria or saudi arabia or even some of them. does the president understand that there is growing concern in washington even among some people in his own party that his presidency is in crisis? >> no. i don't think there is concern the presidency of the is in crisis. people worried about them. the president who is nontraditional, different kind of president who looks like he is not going to be an ordinary president and that's not what people wanted when they elected him. as for the things you just mentioned, the fundamentals in the economy are still great. the stock market is down, we know it goes up and down. capital investment still high, gdp is still solid so the fundamentals are still good. it is going to be a rocky road with the president is looking to
mix things up to change washington to benefit folks back home, yes. >> chris: thank you for your time, especially this holiday weekend. i hope your family gets a least a little time to celebrate christmas. congratulations on your new job as chief of staff. >> merry christmas to you, thanks. sp1 merry christmas to you. we will discuss what the resignation of secretary mattis means for allies and adversarie adversaries. leon panetta joins us next. ♪ what would you like the power to do? ♪ listening to people answer that question, is how we find out what matters most to them.
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>> chris: with everything that's going on in washington, we want to get the perspective from someone who has worked in this town since the nixon administration. leon panetta was bill clinton's chief of staff and cia director and defense secretary after barack obama. secretary panetta joins us from california and welcome back to "fox news sunday" ." >> nice to be with you. >> chris: you lived through the uproar over vietnam, you lived to over the crisis of watergate, how much trouble is the term presidency in right no now? >> it is one of those moments if you're in the white house, you really have to look at the situation and try to do what you can to try to provide a little better stability for the countr country. there's too much gray chaos, cs going on pretty upsetting for the country and economy.
i just think this is a moment where the president really has to focus on what steps need to be taken in order to provide a little bit of stability for the country. >> chris: when you look at the broad picture, the free fall in the markets, the government shutdown, the real disarray and now resignations when it comes to national security, have you ever seen this particular type of combination on all these different fronts? >> as you know, i've been in politics over 50 years. working under nine presidents. i've never seen a situation like this in which almost every important area that is key to this country is confronting crisis or confronting crisis in terms of our national security, i think the step to suddenly
withdraw those troops from syria has sent a terrible message to the world about where the united states stands in your seeing the economy wracked by crashing stock market in the sense that the stock market is not quite sure what's going on right and then you have the shutdown of the federal government all occurring at the same time and raising real concerns. about whether this instability is going to shake the country in terms of our security. >> chris: is talk about the national security component of it and your last job as secretary of defense. we've had these abrupt shifts in policy, pulling out of syria, drawing down in afghanistan. he did say he did not want to be engaged in these endless wars and isn't he keeping a campaign promise?
>> the president has to decide whether he upholds his oath of office of president of the united states to protect security i think the important responsibility is to protect this country and protect our security. if that should come first. a lot of presidents make campaign promises but when they become president of the united states, their primary responsibility is to protect our country. and he was necessary. >> chris: let's push back and little bit because we have been in afghanistan for 17 years and certainly still not winning, in syria the people that are now criticizing a lot of them especially democrats criticizing president trump for pulling out of syria, the people who were criticizing president obama for
failing to put troops in. >> the fundamental question is, are we going to deal with the threats to our country? 9/11 was an attack on the united states of america, we lost 3,000 people. we went to war as a result of that. we made good progress in that fight but it's not over. so to suddenly declare victory when they have no victory, made good progress, no question about it. we've made tremendous gains but this is not a time when you're dealing with terrorist groups who can reorganize and threaten the security of our country. this is not a time to back away from that responsibility, and that i think is the message that
concerns me, sending a message to isis that somehow they can come back, they can be resilient, they can at some point come back and attack us and have us vulnerable to another 9/11 attack, that is unacceptable. >> chris: you have worn a lot of hats during your time in washington and you were a budget director for bill clinton back in the 90s. the border wall, $5 billion for the border wall, the democrats are saying look at 1.6 billion for border security, president wants 5 billion for the border wall. a couple of questions here, how much of this is politics, how much of this is policy. and when a site politics and policy, i mean on both sides and as someone who lives in california knows about the difficulty of trying to control illegal immigration, what is wrong with the border wall? >> i have never quite felt that
an 18th century solution applies to the 21st century in terms of building a wall. i do think it's important to have strong border security, i do think it's important to develop in many ways the technology and the other steps necessary to create what should be a virtual wall, but the idea of spending $5 million to build a wall when as we know any wall is vulnerable to the highest ladder that goes over that wall is just politics. i realize he made a promise on this, but what's playing out now in washington is a political confrontation between the president and the democrats and the american people are paying the price for that. there are innocent people now as a result of the shut down were being hurt. innocent men, women, children, families at christmas time.
why take it out on them? the challenge of a president and the leadership in the congress on both sides of the aisle is to sit down and resolve these issues and to deal with it. and yes, i understand the different positions. but what's missing in all of this is a comprehensive approach to immigration. that is what is needed, that is what has always been needed. you can just solve this problem with a wall. you have to deal with every element that is broken down in our immigration system. >> chris: finally, i know that you have a lot of disagreements on policy and probably on behavior with this president, but after this week and what you have seen whether it's the shutdown or the abrupt 180 degrees turns on the syria and afghanistan, you have any doubts about donald trump's fitness to be president? >> i believe deeply in the
office of the presidency and regardless of who is president, i want that president to succeed because if that president does not succeed, the country pays the price. so what i would like to do is to see president trump recognize that chaos in a crisis that we are in right now, this period of tremendous instability that is hurting the country in terms of our security and our economy and take steps, appoint a strong chief of staff, not just an acting chief of staff, appoint a strong secretary of defense, abide by the policymaking process that is important to the white house. do what is necessary to be a strong president of the united states. that's what i want him to do. >> chris: secretary panetta, thank you. thank you for sharing your weekend to us and to you and your family, merry christmas. >> and a merry christmas to you and to all of your viewers.
we went up next, we will bring in our sunday group to discuss one of the wildest weeks of the term presidency. plus, what would you like to ask the panel about what the resignation of defense secretary mattis means for the trump white house? just go to facebook or twitter and fox news sunday and we may use your question on the air. beyond chasing down network problems. to knowing when and where there's an issue. beyond network complexity. to a zero-touch, one-box world. optimizing performance and budget. beyond having questions. to getting answers. "activecore, how's my network?" "all sites are green." all of which helps you do more than your customers thought possible. comcast business. beyond fast. >> chris: coming up, the shutdown is just part of the story. >> the government must work.
>> let's get out, let's work together, let's be bipartisan and get it done them. >> this might have been the most chaotic week of what is undoubtedly the most chaotic presidency ever in the history of the united states. >> chris: president trump and senate democratic leader chuck schumer striking very different notes about the events this week in washington and its time now for our sunday group. katie pavlich from townhall.com, of georgetown university's institute of politics and public service, susan page of "usa today," and fox news correspondent gillian turner. i'm going to start with you, how
much trouble as a term presidency in right now? >> we tend to take weeks and build them up into the entire term presidency. this one is a tough one for the white house. sure, he has made a number of very difficult decisions with serious risks and consequences essentially. but when it comes to pulling it out of proportion and saying this is going to the end. the pull out troops in syria just ten days ago. but brett mcgurk was saying. >> chris: the u.s. envoy that he did not know. >> he was saying we have gained significant ground in syria but isis is not defeated and we need to make sure that we sustain the gains that we have made or nothing. so you see lindsey graham come out obviously to talk about the consequences of this and there have been republicans who are
questioning whether we need to be leaving now and eventually they do you want to leave and they understand that president trump made this promise on the campaign trail. made a campaign promise that let us to this point now. if >> chris: president trump hammered obama for doing exactly that. let me switch to mow. there have been a lot of disruptive weeks in his presidency and acting chief of staff mick mulvaney which is why they elected him to be a disruptor. so why is this week different? >> we are actually seeing what the trump brand of disruption actually means. i think for a lot of people, is disconcerting at best. we have seen at both the national security front with general mattis departure, brett mcgurk's departure, and a pretty ethical decision
vis-a-vis syria. we are seeing it on the economy with the stock market really taking a nosedive and is not just this week that that's been happening. there's been a negative trend there which is conversed to what's happening in china and that all began with his trade war. so we are beginning to see some of the impact of chaos and it is disconcerting. i agree with katie that we do have a tendency to take a look at a week, take a look at a snapshot in time and try to extrapolate what it means. and we should caution against that. the problem is, every week is chaotic and every week feels disconcerting. this one particularly bad. but that cumulation is having a real impact on politics and policy. >> chris: we have had other shutdowns and had other bad weeks or even bad months in the stock market that clearly set this week apart and says a lot of people here in washington's teeth to rattling was the sudden abrupt shift on pulling troops
out of syria and that led to the resignation of first secretary mattis and now of the special brett mcgurk. we asked you for questions on the panel and on this issue of him quitting, we got this tweet. no current military officers with his experience would be aligned with a nationalist america first president, so where does trump go to find a replacement? and julian is a staffer on the nfc for bush 43 and for obama and how do you answer? >> there is an option already on the table in place ready to go and that is patrick stranahan who is james mattis' current deputy. someone tightly aligned with president trump on most military matters, a business guy like the president, he views his mission as the filling the president's vision, he has supported the space force which most folks at the pentagon, top military brass did not support so there will be
a secretary of defense. if there is not going to be a crisis of no leadership at the pentagon. the question is, is he going to find a republican that is going to get in line with his agenda? the drawdowns he's been talking about lately sound more like they're coming from joe biden. drawing down from afghanistan and syria all in one go. >> chris: let's pick up this issue of republicans because the other thing that's at this week apart was this was the week when a lot of congressional republicans sharply and publicly broke with the president whether it was on precipitating the shutdown and especially over pulling troops out of war zones here republican senator lindsey graham. >> in this war, you will not win it by get giving up. if this is a surrendering. >> chris: how much do you think the president is in right now? clearly he satisfied summer publicans with his decision to shut down but it also ticked off
a lot of republicans are felt they got no assurance from mike pence that he was going to sign just a kick it to february. how much trouble do you think he is in with congressional republicans? >> you can see by the members of congress he invited to have lunch with him not only no democrats but the congressional republican leadership wasn't there. it was the most conservative forces in the republican party and congress. i think that contributes to the sense of isolation. one of the things that concerns people watching the president is that he seems isolated both in who's talking and the policies that he's pursuing in one big problem that he has, for the past two years. it's about to go away, one is the good economy and the second has been republican-controlled congress. >> chris: let me pick up on that, got about a minute left. the president reportedly agreed to what was going to be a clean, going to fund this until
february 8th and mike pence, the vice president told the public and senators that you've got the number two republicans senator who said he is going to sign the cr and then he took this huge criticism from rush limbaugh and other talk radio hosts and also from the house freedom caucus. that move, was that basically i'm going to show up my core base here? >> i don't think it's only that. democrats were also saying they were getting a lot of the president in this deal they never thought that he could. president trump in march was at the border wall within available at the end of the year and here we are now getting $5 billion after he has been promising never have to find something about it, the point is. obviously using the government shutdown. it's certainly not going to
happen when those democratic house because they can't negotiate with nancy pelosi and chuck schumer at this point in time, which they voted for before. >> chris: the bad news is we have to end this panel but the good news is we'll be talking about the shutdown next sunday. have a merry christmas all of you. if objects, outgoing ohio republican john kasich on his political future. will he take on president trump in 2020? ♪
>> chris: the fallout from the midterm elections will hit washington and the new year as democrats take control of the house. and within weeks will be in the presidential campaign with democratic candidates starting to announce. how certain is it? a trump critic whose name has come up will come back to "fox news sunday." >> thank you, chris. >> chris: the resignation over the policy shifts, what do you make of those situations in washington right now?
>> it is so much dysfunction i'm adjusting to one of the people with me this morning as governo governor, if significant members of my cabinet started to leave, it would be chaos and we would be difficult getting anything done and it would communicate chaos throughout the state and in the legislature, whatever. it's very disturbing. the implications of what all this means long-term for a foreign policy, domestic agendas is really up in the air. it concerns me a great deal. >> chris: but president trump campaigned on building a wall, he campaigned and promised the american people that he was not going to have to keep troops, going to pull them out of endless wars. told the american people he would. >> a president just can't get anything they want.
the fact of the matter is, i don't understand why he didn't make a deal. give me a couple billion for the wall which is more than they had previously been agreed to and in exchange for that, we allow the daca people to stay, the people who didn't come here any other way on their end to be able to stay in america and not be given the threat of being deported, that's a deal that maybe they could get, that he would get. i don't know why he hasn't done that. that makes an awful lot of sense to me. in terms of syria and troops, i think what everybody is objecting to is the precipitous nature, not informing your allies, not talking to the people who critically we need in this world, but let's also face them syria, the fact that this whole operation has been a mistake for many years. of the obama administration ignoring the redline was a disaster. we've lost influence in syria but the precipitous nature of that withdrawal without finally
defeating isis or making sure you can't reformulate is a terrible mistake. >> chris: there's a lot of spec elation on whether or not you're going to take on president trump in 2020. >> i'm going to bring up john kasich and arizona senator jeff flake. they may run it against you in 2020. >> chris: so will you run against president trump either as a republican in the primaries or as an independent? >> as you know, all options are on the table. we look every day, people that look every day at the factors that get into a consideration like that.
i want to finish my job as governor and have a few weeks left and then what develops the politics and our nation, what i most considered about is having a voice. when you look at his letter, i have been saying this now for almost two years, you can't ignore your allies. if you can't just do things on your own, america first. i've been saying for two years that it doesn't make any sense to just engage in trade wars particularly with our friends. a lot of the things you're beginning to hear from other republicans are things that have been saying for almost two year years. but what i'm concerned about is a division in this country. if let's think about ohio for a second appear to the republicans
lost illinois, lost wisconsin, lost in michigan and pennsylvania and they win everything in ohio, up jobs including people who traditionally have been ignored. that's the road map. so i'm positive about the fact that we can help people including the people that live where gm announces a plant closure. if i try give them the hope we can see tomorrow. >> chris: he got a couple of minutes left and i want to do a lightning round. if you were to say the idea of running for president is under active consideration? >> yes. when you can go on a little longer than that. >> we just have to assess it and whether or not my voice can help this country and like i say, all options are on the table but i'm a republican, i am proud to be a republican. i am concerned about my party, they got smashed in the midterm is because they moved away from the road map that my team created here in ohio. so we are actively thinking about it but i can't tell you when exactly we will make the
decision but we will let you know. >> chris: would you run as a republican or might you run as an independent? >> of all options are on the table, that means they are all on the table. we just have to see the development here. that's the only thing i can tell you at this point. i am not trying to be coy. we are seriously looking at it. my folks talk and meet every week about it, the people that are involved politically. and then i'll make a decision. >> chris: do you think that you could possibly beat donald trump in republican primaries? 's got tremendous approval among people in his own party. >> one thing that we know from your panel is every week, it's a new story. we don't know what things are going to look like in the next month for the next two months of the next six months. we just don't know how that's all going to work. it's the way we might look at it today is frankly can't look at it today, you got to think about what it's going to look like somewhere down the road. >> chris: you say down the road and that is my last question in this area which is
as they were drop-dead date that you feel you have to make a decision? >> we don't feel that there is one. we have to see with the circumstances are and again, it's about my being able to have a positive impact. if iss that i would have a significant positive impact in helping the country, that's one thing. if i assess it and think maybe i won't, then that leads to another decision. but it's way off. >> chris: less than a minute left and right now, you are in a veto fight with your own republican legislature, vetoed a bill that would've allowed abortions if people can hear of fetal heartbeat and vetoed a bill about gun owners rights which raises a concern about you politically which is are you to moderate for today's republican party? >> first of all, i've signed a lot of pro-life legislation in this state, that's a fact. i don't want to see past something that would be ruled unconstitutional. secondly, i am for the second amendment but let me tell you
this, if you see somebody who is unstable in your business or your family and you think they pose a threat to people around you and you can go to court, i think the gun should be taken. that is not against the second amendment, that is common sense and i can't get that done and i'm not signing anything else until i can get that done. >> chris: governor kasich, have to leave it there, merry christmas and happy holiday, see you soon. you took it all away for me. up next, our power player of the week. honoring america's veterans this holiday season. if plus, another visit from the wallace grand cast. water. to provide access to education for all. -to rid the world of aids, -once and for all. we have the power. to choose to include. to create clean energy. to raise capital. and be fearless entrepreneurs. to understand different perspectives. we stand behind all our partners working to make a difference. what would you like the power to do?
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beyond fast. >> chris: is a christmas tradition here to share the story about one family has found a way to express the meaning of the holiday season. it's a moving example of love for our country and personal generosity. once again, here is our power player of the week. >> we wouldn't have the opportunities if it wasn't for the people that fought for us that gave their lives for us. >> chris: its plainspoken wisdom that has driven him for years on a mission that has
touched americans heart. each december, places him at arlington national cemetery and thousands of volunteers are there to help him. >> i think a lot of people think like i do and they just want to appreciate the veterans and they want to show it. >> chris: the story begins back in 1962 when a 12-year-old paperboy from maine won a trip from washington. what impressed him most was arlington, it's beauty and dignity and those rows and rows and graves. >> everyone represents a life and a family and a story. they are not just tombstones, they're all people. >> chris: in 1992, he was running his own reef company and harrington mena. but as christmas approached, he had a bunch left over. >> they are fresh, just made them. and i just didn't want to throw
them away. >> chris: he thought of arlington and all those graves. when a cemetery approved, he and a dozen volunteers drove them down and laid them on the headstones. and so it continued for years until a few christmases back when an air force sergeant took this picture which ended up on the internet. >> it kind of struck a nerve and he mailed it to each other and it really went around the world. >> chris: we were there the next year as he and his workers loaded up 5,265 reeves. then they embarked upon what he called the world's longest veterans parade. if a hundred 50-mile journey that at some points attracted more than 100 vehicles. and when they got to arlington, so many people wanted to participate. >> the ceremony you are about to witness is an army ceremony. to be conducted for the reese
company. >> chris: for years, he paid for all of the side of his own pocket and he started a wreaths across america. he will need help to reach his new goal. >> around 2.7 million graves, that's a tall order to decorate 2.7 million graves. >> chris: but you'd like to do it, wouldn't you? >> i really would. sometime, i don't know how. >> chris: how long are you going to keep doing this? >> for as long as i work and then i know my family is going to continue. it'll be here for a long time. >> chris: this is the 27th year he has taken on his christmas wreath project. this year, they placed 1.8 million a wreaths on the veterans graves over 1600 locations in all 50 states. including in the rain and cold at arlington. and for the first time, they
placed american made reeves at the american cemetery in normandy france. and now, another christmas tradition. here is a look from the last few years at the wallace grand kids as they getting bigger and bigger. and here they are again, but something feels different this year. let me check. and caroline, and james, and william. will my forgetting? jack wallace making his television debut in his christmas outfit, age three and a half months data from our family to yours, have a very merry christmas and we will see you. >> next fox news sunday. >> chris: a very good. if three, two, one, merry christmas!
good morning everyone and happy sunday. >> we will have your weather in just a moment but first here's what's making news. >> a developing story and indonesia. >> 222 people confirmed dead after huge way waves smashed into beaches overnight with no warning. >> two days before christmas and the partial government shutdown continues with no relief in sight. >> they will not ac