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>> schieffer: today on "face the nation"a world in turmoil and america returns to iraq. as the isis terrorist forces step up their attacks, the president orders american war planes back in to the skies over iraq and says the fight won't be won overnight. >> i don't think we're going to solve this problem in weeks. this is going to be a long-term project. >> schieffer: latest from the region and talk to rhode island senator jock reed key member of the armed services committee. plus the latest as well on the situation in isreal and as the death toll nears a thousand, we'll talk to a top official of the world health organization about the ebola outbreak. plus, a bizarre incident at a new york speedway where a driver is struck and killed by race car
driver tony stuart. finally on the 40th anniversary weekend of richard nixon's res ignition, bob woodward and carl bernstein look back. and we'll tell you what it was like in the oval office before nixon made that famous resignation speech. >> cbs news is -- only the crew. there will nobody picture. >> schieffer: 60 years of news because this is "face the nation." captioning sponsored by cbs good morning again, the news from overnight is as grimace it has been for the last week. iraqi official told router news agency that the isis terrorist had killed 500 members of the yazidis, thousands are still trapped on that mountain top in northern iraq. more food and supplies were
dropped over the area last night by u.s. transport planes, u.s. airstrikes continue, the president is on martha's vineyard this morning but as he left washington he told reporters the airstrikes may go on for awhile. what he said the u.s. does not intend to order ground forces back in to the area. >> i've been very clear that we're not going to have u.s. combat troops in iraq again. and we are going to maintain that because we should have learned a lesson from our long and immensely costly incursion in iraq. >> schieffer: more from holly williams who is in urbil. >> there were four more u.s. airstrikes here last night targeting the armored vehicles and trucks used by isis militants and some of those militants are just 30 miles away from where we are here in the city of urbil.
kurdish soldiers from the area are the only ones still fighting isis on the ground here in northern iraq. after iraqi government soldiers abandoned their posts and ran away in june. the american airstrikes will help those kurdish fighters in their battle against the militants. now isis captured a group extending the borders of what it claims is its own islamic state. then last week the militants struck again seizing 16 more towns, military base and iraq's biggest damn. >> schieffer: could the kurdish forces on their own defeat isis if they decide to move on urbil? >> the car dish fighters tell us that they're confident they can defend which is their capital. they say if they are going to push isis out of iraq then they need the u.s. to give them weapons, because they say they're relying on outdated guns, where as the militants have american tanks and
artillery that they captured from iraqi government soldiers when they ran away two months ago. >> schieffer: will these airstrikes be enough to actually defeat isis? >> well the very limited strikes that we're seeing so far won't be enough. but the hope is that they will give kurdish fighters who everyone is relying on here just a little bit of breathing room. >> schieffer: all right. holly williams, be very careful, holly, thanks so much. the other story that won't go away the situation in israel why the fighting is now in its 34th day. we have two reports from there, first, charlie doing da in tel aviv. >> good morning, bob. once again israeli prime minister benjamin netanyahu reiterated that israel will not negotiate under fire. they have no intention of sending israeli delegation back to cairo for any kind of peace talks. further today saying no stage did israel declare military
offensive was over. he said it was going to take time and patience. now we haven't turned to the kind of intensity of more than a week ago, but the israeli defense forces say that hamas fired something like 110 rockets from gaza in to israel mostly short range rockets and mortars that are hitting the border towns none of the long range missiles capable of hitting tel aviv. they say that hamas broke the crease fire before it ran out on friday in return, israeli military has launched something like 150 airstrikes at suspected hamas targets inside gaza. israel has no intention of even addressing the demands of hamas until these rockets stop and until that happens they have no intention of stopping these airstrikes. >> schieffer: charlie, be safe, thank you. cbs news foreign correspondent clarissa ward joins us from gaza city, what is the latest down there? >> good morning, bob.
since that cease fire we have heard steady stream of rockets being fired by hamas from gaza in to israel. us reas has been returning fire with airstrikes, with artillery, 16 palestinians have been killed so far. now obviously this bombardment is nothing like on the level that we've heard over the past few weeks. still has an affect. daily life here has ground to a halt. people are staying in their homes, the streets are empty there's no sense of that going to change with those diplomatic talks in cairo and stand still with hamas vowing to ratchet up their attacks. >> schieffer: what can hamas possibly hope to achieve here? >> well, bob, at this stage politically hamas cannot 'nord to walk away from latest conflict without extracting some concession from the israeli side. the people here have paid such an enormous price over the past few weeks. what is interesting is that there is widespread support here for continuing the war even
among people who don't necessarily like hamas. that's really because of one major issue, the blockade on gaza which has been in place since 2007 most people here saying they will do whatever it takes even continue this war if it means that they can somehow get that blockade lifted. >> schieffer: all right, clarissa ward, thank you so much. and we turn now to one of the top democrats on the armed services committee, rhode island senator jack reed he is in providence this morning. let's talk first about what's going on in iraq, senator reed. the pentagon says that these airstrikes so far they have had some affect, destroyed some things. what are you being told about whether these strikes are being successful. what do you think has been accomplished so far? >> well, what is accomplished we've been able to destroy some heavy artillery that isis has
that threatening kurdish forces. construct lines of communication, some of the convoice. basic strategy is targeted strikes on these weapon systems so that the kurdish forces can strengthen and resist, ultimately roll back isis. and i think these targeted strikes are very effective. the kurds are very aggressive with this support i think they will be able to stabilize the situation. >> schieffer: and we want to apologize to our viewers there is a sound delay between the time my voice gets to senator reed and gets back here to washington. but senator, let me ask you this, a senior administration official told the "new york times" today that, this is a quote, this is not an authorization of a broad-based counter terrorism campaign. why would the administration say that? why did they mean that? what do they mean by that?
>> there are two dimensions at work here. first is protecting american interests in the region. we have personnel incurred stan. we have to protect them and not only our personnel also have to protect any type of operations that might go outside of the region in to the united states or any place across the globe. that is why we will target some of these terrorists wherever they are in yemen, iraq. second dimension is political. that is making sur that the iraqi government reorganizes itself so it can successfully use all the resources that it has, has significant resources, to stabilize the situation then begin with iraqi forces to push back on isis. what happened unfortunately is prime minister malaki has politicized the military and militarized the politics, that has to be resourced.
while the iraqis are trying to put their house in order and resume the fight we can provide some limited support to deter particular incurred stan, isis, but this has to be a political strategy that takes place in baghdad not in washington. >> schieffer: i want to show you a clip as something the president said, when he was asked if he had any sect thoughts about pulling u.s. troops out of iraq, here is part of what his response was. >> what i just find interesting is, the degree to which this issue keeps oncoming up as if this was my decision. >> schieffer: those words were hardly out of the president's mouth when we started getting calls from republicans who said, hey, wait a minute, back in 2011 president obama was taking credit for
pulling those troops out of iraq and was saying that he was fulfilling his campaign promise. do you see any connection, senator, between the pulling out of the american troops there and what has happened in iraq since then? >> well, first thing i think you have to recognize that the invasion of iraq back in 2003 was i think a strategic hill calculation. at the time i opposed it because i didn't think in the long run it would contribute to long term security but it would have long term detrimental consequences. we're living with those conconcerns today. in 2008 it was president george w. bush and prime minister malaki who agreed all american forces would leave iraq in 2011. some people have said well president obama could have negotiated around that in intervening years, once president bush and president mall key cleared all forces would be out, it was very
difficult the president obama tried to have remaining force there training, equipping, along the lines of what was proposed in afghanistan. in 2008 our troops were leaving in 2011. have they contributed to the situation here, i think what's contributed significantly to the situation has not been our presence or lack of presence it's been the politics of malaki so his alienation of the sunni community, his ideas ever military, collapse of mozul not result of lack of equipment or personnel it was leadership collapse. so in order to put the situation right we have to begin at the fundamental core which is leadership in baghdad, iraqi leadership which will work together in unified way to defend and protect their country and to defeat isis. >> schieffer: senator, thank you so much for joining us. i want to tush to james jeffrey, he is the former u.s. ambassador
to iraq now a fellow at the washington institute for middle east policy. let me pick up where senator reed leftover there, ambassador. do you think the fact that we actual those perhaps out had anything to do with what the situation we're dealing with right now? >> it had a certain affect that's why general austin supported by me recommended that they stay on. we would have had a better equipped iraqi army, we would have had better eyes on on what the problem was, we would have been able to do send count are terrorism operations. most importantly it's psychological. we would have had a stake in that country and cared for what what malaki was doing. again, senator reed isn't right this is basically an iraqi issue with malaki's misuse of power. would have been better if we could have troops on. >> schieffer: let me get back to that in just a minute. i do want to ask you about this. there is a consulate up there in
urbil i am told at one time there were several thousand americans up there, do you have any idea now how many americans are up there? >> the consul, i can't get in to the numbers for obvious reasons it would have relatively small in the scores of americans doing specific work, diplomatic work then you have military presence, president obama sent in in june, u.s. special forces personnel to do assessments and such and they're operating up there. you also have hundreds and hundreds of people providing security, providing logistics and you have large business community of americans there in the oil industry, at universities and other things. >> schieffer: there may well be several thousand? >> may well be several thousand americans or people that we're responsible for. >> schieffer: do you have any indication, do you see anything that leads to you believe that malaki is any closer than he ever was to putting together some sort of inclusive government here? >> malaki will not be able to
put together an inclusive government. the pressure is on him to find -- basically step down, the government has to -- parliament has to elect a new government after the elections and it looks -- does not look good for malaki but he's resisting. the shia coalition which has majority in parliament have to decide on an alternative this is going underway day and night right now. >> schieffer: are these kurdish forces up there capable of turning back an attack if these isis people march on urbil? >> isis people march out of their sunni arab hot land that they have taken over in to shia, in to kurdish areas, they can be stopped by combination of people on the ground who are willing to fight such as the pesh merga and airstrikes. we've done this in 2011, kosovo, bosnia, all around the world and it works f. we have other people's boots on the ground in our area supporting them. >> schieffer: ambassador,
thank you. >> thank you. >> schieffer: we turn to the outbreak of the ebola virus which is centered in the west african countries of guinea, siberia and sierra leone. and cases in nigeria. dr. keiji fukuda is the assistant director general of health security for the world health organization he joins us from geneva. doctor, let me ask you first, what are your latest statistics? where does the death toll from this now stand? >> bob, where we're running right now as of today there are 1825 cases reported from the four countries. most of these countries are in guinea, liberia and sierra leone there are 13 cases in nigeria. mortality rate is about 55-60%. >> schieffer: that would mean as of now the death toll is what, above 900? >> yeah.
it would mean that it's about 900, a little bit above. >> schieffer: a little bit above. is this -- could we expect the death toll to go higher or do you think we're at a peak here or where are we on this? >> bob, i think that we anticipate that there will continue to be cases and if we continue to have cases then we will continue to have people dying from this disease. this is a severe infection. we expect both numbers to increase over the coming weeks. >> schieffer: would you call this at this point an epidemic? >> it's certainly a large outbreak affecting that region. typically when outbreaks get big enough we call them epidemics. i think that the way we think about it is that this is something which is risen can be stopped. among the people working on it we frequently call it an outbreak right now. >> schieffer: so you feel that it can be contained, but i want to just ask you, the world
health organization, do you need more help from other countries? what needs to be done here? >> sure. bob, this is definitely an outbreak that can be contained. we know that this is not a mysterious disease, it's a severe disease but we know it's not mysterious. what i mean by that is that we know how this virus is transmitted. it requires one person touching another person and coming in to contact with bodily fluid and because of that, we know when people are most infectious, this virus can be stopped. but what's difficult in this situation is that we're dealing with countries with weak health systems, and we're dealing with areas in which practices like good infection prevention and control practices are not the norm in some of the hospitals and in families and communities. and so what we need here is really to scale up and so we know what to to but w.h.o.
working with many different countries and many different partner organizations need help in making sure that we can do the things which are needed to stop transition. >> schieffer: let knee ask you about a couple of things. should there be international travel ban, for example, some of these countries i know have been closed but should we be more strict than even that? >> bob, we recently convened meeting of the emergency committee under the international health regulations which gave advice to the director general. and the director general concurred with the recommendations or advice coming from that committee and one of them is very clear. w.h.o. does not support general ban on travel or trade. we do believe that people who have infection or people who are contacts of people who have infection are being monitored nor the 21-day period should not
travel. but otherwise we do not believe there should be a general ban on travel or trade. >> schieffer: doctor, let me ask you this, i think a lot of people are worried about it, are you confident that this disease won't spread from africa to europe then in to north america? >> you know, bob, i think there is two important points to make here. one wf them is that in this modern period, this globalized world we live in, it's clear that any person can travel anywhere in the world with an infection. but it's also important to know in terms of this disease and this outbreak, this in many ways is poster child for what it means to have health systems which are weak, that means that the systems are not strong, there may not be enough health care workers and so on. i think that while it is possible for someone with an
infection to travel to a number of countries, perhaps in europe, perhaps to north america, like the united states, and it's possible that may have some few cases associated with that, few infections, i think that in those countries which really have good health systems, good health professionals, good surveillance systems it's very unlikely that you would have large outbreaks in the way that we're seeing them in these countries right now. >> schieffer: doctor, we want to wish you the very best as you fight this thing. thank you so much for joining us this morning. >> thank you, mr. schieffer. >> schieffer: in a bizarre incident here at home an investigation is underway this morning after nascar driver tony stewart hit and killed another driver, kevin ward during a race yesterday in new york. a spokesman for stuart's racing team calls it a tragic accident. but there are questions. we'll be back in a moment with
>> schieffer: shakespeare's marc anthony said the evil that men do lives after them. the good is often carried with their bones. generation after generation of washington press agents have tried to change that while their bosses were still alive, mostly they failed. the 40th anniversary weekend of the richard nixon's resignation is good time to bring it up because the nixon administration invented modern political public relations, the photo ops, the limited access, attempts toe control the news. so much of it goes back to the nixon operatives. every president since has tried to refine the techniques. the staged foe totes, keeping a distance from reporters, speaking in gobbledygook. as i watch the current administration bar the press from some of secretary of state
kerry appearance at the recent africa conference were they worried he might be asked the question about the ebola epidemic. reminded me that most of the timement press agents learned the wrong lessons from the nixon folks and nixon himself provides the perfect example of why. richard nixon's opening to china and arms control efforts with the soviets live after him as remarkable achievements. as his attempt to undermine the constitution lives on as a dastardly deed. the lesson washington ever learns is that good public relations never trumps bad policy. nor can good policy ever be undermined by bad pr. most ever these modern public relations operations were a waste of time. better to concentrate on policy. back in a minute. was a credit cd where the reward was that new car smell and the freedom of the open road? a card that gave you that
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>> schieffer: well kelp back. we turn from the news of today to a time unlike anything america had ever experienced. what came to be known as the watergate scandal. >> i have never been a quitter. leave office before my term is completed as abhorrent to ever instinct in my body. >> schieffer: by now 40 years and one day later millions of us have seen that historic oval office speech in which richard nixon became the only president to resign from office. with us now one of the very few people who saw the president make that speech in person, george christian, he is part of our "face the nation" family. he is usually behind that camera , he was in the oval office that night as the camera technician. george, you must have sensed
this was going to be a day like no other. >> the president has always come win handlers and other people to secure his position and to make sure he's okay before his presentation. this i remember the president nixon come in alone, very quiet, very still time. >> schieffer: surprisingly the president was joking around before the speech. >> are the lights okay? that's enough. my friend does take a lot of pictures. catch me picking my nose. >> schieffer: and then unexpected request. >> he asked everyone to leave the room who did not need to be there. and when he repeated the second time i thought he must have been talking to me.
>> schieffer: but he wasn't talking to george, you physically wanted only cbs crew assigned to cover the speech of all the networks in the room. >> only cbs crew now is to be in this room during this. only the crew. all secret service, any secret service in the room? out. >> schieffer: a speech -- i shall resign the presidency effective at noon tomorrow. >> nixon quickly left the oval office but christian could not believe what happened next. >> orders from the white house that the president didn't want to see anybody that he was going to be roaming the grounds, he did not want to see any technicians for sure. and that we were going to stay overnight -- we had to sleep right outside the oval office on the veranda. >> schieffer: on the other side of the white house in lafayette park people had cheered, surprising a young cbs
reporter. >> for some reason i had just expected much more somber mood here but it is just not been that way and i would be dishonest if i said it was. >> schieffer: the next morning george christian recorded the dramatic series of events as the nixon said goodbye to the staff and close friends. >> you will be in our hearts and you will be in our prayers. >> schieffer: and then a scene that americans have seen many times. the famous wave. only this time he was flying off in to history. the nixon presidency was over. much of the credit for connecting the dots that took watergate break in all the way to the white house goes to two young "washington post" reporters, of course we're talking about none other than bob woodward and carl bernstein whose books "the final days" and
all the presidents men" are being reissued by simon and shyster part of the cbs corporation. the two were played by robert redford and dustin hoffman in the film adaptation of the classifying all the presidents men." and disclosure here, red ford and dustin hoffman were not available so we have woodward and bernstein. two of my oldest friends here in washington, gentlemen, thank you so much. you know, i got to say, i think a lot people in washington felt this way. one reason it took awhile for people to figure out that this was really serious, it seems so stupid. the president was ahead breaking in to the watergate. whoever broke in to a campaign headquarters that's where they keep the yard signs and stuff. there are no secrets there but yet they did. when did the two of you understand that this was really something of significance? >> surprisingly early.
we had learned there was a see yet fund of about $800,000 to pay for the bugging at watergate and other illegal undercover things, we wrote that john mitchell, in this case on's law partner and attorney general controlled those funds. on that occasion we were meeting at vending machine room to say what we were going to say to the editors. i felt a chill literally go down my back. i said to woodward, this president is going to be impeached. woodward stead to me, oh, my, god, you're right. if we can never use that word "impeach" at the "washington post" unless somebody thinks we have an agenda. we never did. it was ten weeks in. >> schieffer: it was interesting, we've talked about this before because it always comes up, people say well when you come right down to it the cover up was worse than the crime. you never bought in to that. and in the afterward of the reissue of your books you talk
about that. >> yes. the fact is that watergate started before watergate. that back in 197, two years before the watergate burglary nixon launch add series of secret undercover activities tapping the telephones of 17 reporters, white house aides, the secret houston plan as it came to be known. just very directly saying we're going to break the law, we're going to use illegal means to go after the anti-war movement and the people who were his opponents and so what happened here -- carl and i spent a lot of time looking to take transcripts, listening to these tapes you see the real necks on come out which is kind of the dog that never barks on the tapes. nixon never says, what's good for the country, what do we
need. it was always about nixon and it was using the presidency as an instrument of personal revenge in horrendous way. those tapes are staggering to listen to and new ones coming out this season and you hear nixon saying things like, oh, yeah, i said, use any means necessary including illegal means, i can never admit to that. of course he did on secret tape. >> schieffer: one part of these new tapes that we're now hearing, we heard in the old tapes nixon making statements that were just blatantly racist there's no question about that. but he in these new tapes it removes all doubt. he said things that i can't imagine of any education, most people who are prejudice as we know. it's based on ignorance.
nixon was an educated man. his mother was this quiet quaker. yet he literally seemed to hate jews more than most of all amongst the other minorities. >> in writing the final days we started to encounter this, it's in the final days in person after person will tell us how you railed against jews and about blacks and finally arthur burns, economic advisor to the president said to me while we were reporting on the final days, nixon had epithets for whole sections of man kind. there is an anger, it's possible to have real empathy for richard nixon you see what we did at the beginning of the broadcast in this man all his life wanted to be president of the united states. but with the empathy you have to also recognize the criminal -- criminality from the beginning of the presidency to the end of the presidency and this vern
gangs and this hatred which he talks about in his -- >> where he was sweating, his wife, two daughters two, son in laws and there's a moment right at the end where he kind of waves his hand as if he's going to say, i called you here for a reason. that reason is i have an understanding, i know what this was all about. then in one of the most fabulous lines of the american presidency he says, always remember. others may hate you but those who hate you don't win unless you hate them and then you destroy yourself. this was the piston of the nixon administration. where did it come from. >> schieffer: a friend of mine said to me the other day, you know he ran against john kennedy in 1960. if he had won that race would it have been the same kind of nixon
presidency? i don't know if i know the answer to that question but i do wonder, is some of this paranoia couple out of that experience? >> it's his terry, i find something really interesting as follows. that on the tapes time after time we hear nixon going after his manumeas saying they hate me -- accused spy in the 1950s who nixon pursued there was a great movement that proclaimed his innocence. and nixon was regarded because of what he did as a smearer, as terrible person. it turns out nixon was right about him. we know this from the so-called vermona paper of the soviets, this was a spy. this festering thing with nixon. it's going to take an awful lot
of psycho biography toe finally solve the riddle of richard nixon because this goes back to basic character, his life and we see it man tested -- manifested as a whole, as bob says the piston of his presidency. >> then also if you would look he was vice president for eisenhower for eight years there's some marvelous reporting that's been done on this which shows that nixon was snubbed by eisenhower. that eisenhower never brought him in, nixon felt that america was filled with the series of clubs that he could never get in to. and just burned him again it's on the tapes, he'll say things like, oh, you know, all those -- after he left the vice presidentcy and lost the governor's race in '62 he went to practice law on wall street. he says on the tapes with this
kind of seething bitterness, you know, any of those lawyers ever ask me to their country clubs and asked me to go out and play golf with them, not a one. and it burned -- it was a rage and so when he won the presidency then had to run again in '72 he felt he was entitled. and -- >> schieffer: what do you think would have happened if he told h.r.halderman i want to get rid of those tapes. he said, sure, then went back said i want to do this. again alderman said, sure. the question i have what would have happened if they had burned the tapes or done something with them and the question that i find interesting, why didn't halderman carry out this order. he did some things that were a lot worse than that. >> we don't know why he didn't.
one thing is that there was belief by nixon and halderman that the tapes selectively used would help their defense. particularly against john dean that they can selectively use the tapes before the provincial prosecutor and investigators to prove their innocence. but what is on those tapes and why the question of burning them had they burned them, we know now is very likely nixon might have been able to stay in office. >> schieffer: you really think so? >> if history never works. but what we do know is that they kept coming back to the smoking gun they needed a smoking gun, they needed to show violation specific of law. and that was done by the tapes. at the same time there was this whole huge criminality that was ignored while looking for the smoking gun. >> down to the politics.
and the politics of washington that summer 40 years ago was the republican party turned on nixon. best measured by barry goldwater the conscious of the party. the group of republicans went to see nixon in the white house. day before he said he was going to resign. nixon joked with him said, well, barry how many votes if there's a trial. i have about 20 votes and goldwater said, you'll have four and not mine. that realization, if you look at it from some perspective, courage on the part of the republican party to say as goldwater said to us one night in his apartment here in washington, it's simple. too many crimes, too many lies. >> schieffer: do you think this could happen again? could another president get
himself involved in something like this? i guess part of the question i ask, what advise would you give to people who find themselves behind those iron gates where only the people you see are the ones you want to see. what can they do to immunize themselves -- >> we're not good at -- it was seven years ago i went over to do what turned out to be the last interview with bob mcnamara who was secretary of defense for kennedy and johnson. vi an apartment in the watergate kept pressing mcthat mayor remarks vietnam. out what's t final and he said there's one lesson. that is the advisors to the president need to sit around with the president and argue with him. and say, wait a minute, let's
look at all the options, you have to create a conflict situation. he said what happens in the presidency is no one wants to argue with the president, particularly in front of other advisors to the president gets isolated and lives in a bubble and i think you can argue that happens to every president including this one. >> schieffer: thank to both of you. a subject that we could talk about all afternoon. i want to thank you, we'll be right back with a little news analysis on some of the news of the day. and for many, it's a struggle to keep your a1c down. so imagine, what if there was a new class of medicine that works differently to lower blood sugar? imagine, loving your numbers. introducing once-daily invokana®. it's the first of a new kind of prescription medicine that's used along with diet and exercise to lower blood
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experience on foreign news and covering wars. what do you make of of this. what was it that caused president obama who said, we're not going back to iraq and took great pride in saying we're not going back. now he's saying well it really wasn't his decision to leave iraq. and he says, but we have to send these war planes back in to the skies. what do you make of this? >> i think he would under tremendous domestic political pressure to act. it's unprecedented amount of territory that's been gained by this new group. i think he did it very reluctantly and i think he's not sure how this is going to play out we can talk about this more. it's not a clear strategy, this president or this presidency and maybe it's isolation is the last guest talked about isn't really selling his approach to reaction explaining his past decision making that clearly toe americans. >> schieffer: you know, the people i'm talking to say
probably he had no choice. no matter how he got from there to here he probably really had no choice at this point because you do have, we don't know how many, but maybe several hundred, maybe thousands of americans up there in urbil that you cannot leave there. even if you put aside the other part of it. that is obviously a humanitarian disaster. but what do you see happening now? i think we're there for awhile. >> we are there for awhile. why now, i do think it was convergence of factors to some degree going info kurdistan the way isis threatened to do was a red line. we think the kurds are sort of the best actors in the region and another big success for isis capturing another big city in place like kurdistan is too much for us to bear. there was humanitarian prices,
framed his speech in matter of preventing act of genocide to degree not to be glib but allowed him to sell intervention to a certain extent to the american public. lot of americans i think understand are busy with their own lives, might be a little vague on who isis is this idea of people trapped on a mountain dying children of dehydration and starvation. i think gave people an opportunity to understand why we would be crossing that threshold of action. where does it go from now. the president warned it could be months, there's a political process that we're going to try to get some help to the iraqi political system which is very dysfunctional. also starting to explore the idea of restarting the sunni awakening where the sunni tribes in the north who are not as radical as isis may be rise up take the fight against them the way they did during the iraq war which was a crucial turning point finally support those kurdish, means those who face death. they have enough supplies. >> schieffer: that brings up an interesting point.
you goat -- we did throughout the iraq war that the kurds were really good, they were good fighters all of that. a man who was a senior commander in that region said yes, but, pretty much like light infancy. he says frankly they could not turn back these isis forces if they decided to mount a campaign to take urbil. they are going to need a lot of help it seems to me. >> disaster here islamic state has american armor and weapon re, millions of dollars that was given up when iraqi -- iraqi army. do they have the expertise? >> appear to. what is astonishing they're able to maneuver, use this weaponry they can move a thousand guys very quickly and that they