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>> h hello and a very warm welee coming too "quadriga," you from the heart of the german capital, berlin. we are looking at the latest developments in turkey where a major crackdown on the media has beenen taking place in the afrmrmatof thehe failed july 1 5 o. some journalists have been forced into exile. meanwhile, international media been forced out.
today, we have decided to focus on the future of the freedom of the press in turkey. to do just that, i'm joined in the studio by three expert analysts and comommentatorors begiginning with micichelle friedman, who wasas with that dw team that was a victim of harassment in ankaraa. he sayays what happened to the team is s clearly y an indicatin that press freedom in turkey i s morere theory than r reality. also with us is alan pozen or, a berlin.columnist in every newspaper article has to bebe sububmitted for authorizat, so we should be veryry cautiouos other about criticizing countries. and we are joined by a freelance journalist and academic who says the press was scarcely free in july before the july 15 c coup
attempt. now it is under strict control. you work in ankara at the heart of the incident as the george abela a team had its material coconfiscated d after an intervw with the turkish minister. i would like to ask you when the material was confiscated or when you realizezed what was happene, to what extent did you feel like you were in an authoritarian state? perhaps what some people might call a dictatorial state, a state where the freedom of the press no longer exists? >> mike spontaneous reaction what has been that i'm calling the police. the police are there to protect not moreinisters are than i am, not less. we are on the same level. i would call the police because it was a robbery. somebody took our material.
i feltlt immediately that this s not an option. you knknow t that you are not anymore in a democracy, not ananymore in a couountry where checks and balances for an individual are practical. from this moment on, i inerstood what happened turkey towards journalists, intellectuals, artists before the coup and even more after. >> i could see you nodding when he was talking about the fact that he did not feelel as though he had the option to simply phone the police. >> well, i was wondering what would be the case, for an ends, if that happened in a democratic country. would george abela have the right -- >> i would have called the police. even a minister or press officer is not allowed to do it. i am protected.
i imagine that i am protected, but i imagine more here than what i've held in ankara. it isess officer who did not allowed. the only authority which had the right to confiscate whatever would have been the police, and if they are doing a mistake in germany, i would take a lawyer and we would discuss about this reactionon and decision. this is unimaginable today. however in the case we had to live through it. >> it's interesting because you a little bit turkey and ankara and berlin. we had a quote from you where you said here in germany every newspaper article has to be subjected to or submitted for authorization -- >> that article, every interview. >> every interview with a minister, yes. good point. you seem to be suggesting that press freedom applies in the same way in germany as it does in ankara and vice versa. >> not necessarily, but mr.
friedman knows very well because he had a series of interviews in our newspaper where we did not adhere to this rule and the people he interviewed knew it, but it never caught on. the reason is politicians want to control their image. i don't know if they would go so .ar as to confiscate i'm not saying it's the same thing. it's deplorable. but what i am saying is politicians try to control their image. it would be unthinkable in america if you did an interview at a newspaper with hillary clinton or with the president that they would say that you have to submit the quote for authorization. it would not happen. for in great written. it's a germrman thing. as of saying, there are differences in the freedomom of the press or the authority politicians have frorom countryo
country. >> can you comment onn those differences, those nuances that are so important? important. for me, this is information that is new. i did not know that the german right, butave that in the turkish case, i think that the thing that matters is the questions. you gotsure how far -- ng your interview >> i hope i did a good job. >> you can be more critical still in germany because self-censorship is more efeffective now in turkey.y. >> i want to give a response to my dear end, though. a newspaperng story, and you just mentioned it, this, what you were painting enough.wspaper is not
it is an agreement who nobody really knows why and whatever it is. betweenave to make c cuts an interview for a newspaper. we're talking two or three hours perhaps with a prime minister, and you are changing the questions and answers. we a are doing televevision, ann germany ---- and i'm doining tv shows in germany -- nobody ever had the idea to confiscate an interview on tv or on radio. why? because our interviews are generally live on tape, and even not, there was not one case that a politician asked the court to decide that in interview cannot a b broadcastst, and this is didifferencece in the examples,d inelieve that this is america, this is in germany, and when i'm listening to president
erdogan or to the prime m minisr before the coup, they told us that turkey is a democracy. quirks the author who won the literature prize, the nobel prize,e, he came out andnd saidt just the f freedom of the prpres but ththe freedom of thought no longer exists in turkey. i need to know -- is he right back on >> i think he is right, especially after the july coup attempt. i think people are really afraid to tell out right with a. before the july coup attempt, turkey was not a democracy already. switched sharply
.o an autocracy the president was very strong, his power consolidated, etc., but after the coup attempt, they emergency steps. people are afraid to express their criticism and those who do simply end up in prison. this is no joke. fans, novelist, ,ournalists, actors, writers they are in prison. >> let's take a quick break from the debate and look at some of the figures from the crackdown in turkey which has led to turkey being described by reporters without borders as the world leader in imprisoning jojournalists, and the figures e are presenting now a are supplpd by the committttee to protect joururnalists. >> at least 30 news-related websites were censored. more than one -- 100 media
outlets wewere closed and d more ththan 100 journaliststs were detained. last year, reporters witithout bordrders ranked t turkey y 1stu on its worldtries freedom press index. is turkey y carrying outut a systematic campaign against the media? >> that's a good question. which on for far reaching security measure? >> i don't know, but certain things have to be understood -- there was a coup attempt. there were hundreds of people killed. this coup attempt was faced down not by an authoritarian crackdown, ace down by the people of turkey and to this day, even the main opposition parties support the government in clamping down on this coup. you can think is true -- there were hundreds if not thousands of the coup in the judiciary, in the media, in the
military, many of them supporters of a radical islamist preacher. if you consider germany, for in , we after the 1968 revolt had d tens of thousasands of pee not being allowed, b being controlled for they were allowed to take control for the state and so on and we were nowhere near as powerful as the military was with this coup. we never attempted a coup. when you think of the hysterical reaction to the red army faction in the 1970's, i think we should he just a bit careful in the case of turkey where there really was a coup, where there is a powerful military, where a trevor usually was stated. i'm not happy with what is happening. i'm just a do not forget it.
>> we don't forget it. people do not forget this. --course the killing on killing of hundreds of people during the coup attempt and afterwards still going on with these attempts -- i think it was horrible, but on the other hand, peace activists have nothing to ,o with that movement especially supporters of the kurdish peace process. why are they then arrested? do they have anything in common with the movement? whocademic and a journalist is left wing, who is just critical of the erdogan government could be blamed as a terrorist. i'm really curious about what "terrorist" means now in turkey because i think it definition has become so flexible that it to do whatever
he has in mind. >> many members of the press, many members of the media have been arrested and detained. you said many are your friends. give us an idea of what has happened to these people and what is going to happen to these people. >> they have then arrested and put in jail. that's what happened. and the thing is because people no longer believe -- and i law isly also do -- that not free in turkey anymore. the courts are not free. i think somehow there is lititte hope -- >> what is happening to these people in prison? are they being tortured? are they being abused? but i'm are reports, not sure. nobody can go in there. wasinstance, a novelist who on the editorial team bringing down the kurdish newspaper said
she was left without water for days and forced to sleep on a dirty bed, and they did not give her medication, but afterwards, the government authorities suddenly said they d did not do that. you cannot know who is telling the trtruth at the moment. >> i think there is no legitimation for the coup. there is no doubt about that. >> it was an act of self-defense. this was turkey's 9/11. many people in turkey argue. >> we have to remember that much of what is going on today and was before the coup the same quality or non-quality of treating people in your country. when you remember all the demonstrations last year, the reaction of the government, the ,eaction of president erdogan to say this is not how you treat your people in .he democratic process
the third response -- i agree, and you said it. overreactions in such cases, but because of -- befefoe the cououp, the behavior was moe .r less the s same i'm not so sure if the argument is really y the same one. in the country something happens like in france, terrorism, there is a time of emergency, but in rants, there is not one newspaper that was closed. there are no journalists in prison, and even if they are, they will have their civil rights. that's why i think we have to look at turkey, and we have a lot of reasons, arguments to talk about not being superior in our arguments, but at the end of the day, hundreds of thousandnds of people are in prisoson.
we don't know how long and since when, and is one thing peter you juju mentioneded. a lot of judgeges are now in prison. that meaeans no court cases. no judges. >> i would like to pick up on that point because we'veve been hearing isis not just ththe meda and press that have been affected by the crackdown. let's have a look at another case here. >> last week in the southeastern broke up a protest by teachers. some of the 11,000 throughout the region who were suspended from their jobs last thursday. authorities said the teachers had either supported the kurdish pkk rebel group or the movement behind the july coup attempt. >> there's no difference between the movement, the pkk, and the islamic state group. teachers say they are not criminals.
government t does not want secular scientific andnd demomocratic education. >> this man was suspended for allegedly supporting the good land movement. it is erdogan trying to limit freedom of speech and movement in turkey? >> what exactly does the turkish government had to hear from academics and teachers? >> because they are educators of the next generation. most of the people forget that half of the people in turkey have not voted for erdogan. these teachers, these academics are responsible for the next generation, and he was very clear that he does not want critical minds. he only wants a religious generation. it's not only media freedom, not
only academic. he wants power and with that power wants to change the direction of a country in a religious way. you cannot stand different voices, different critics, so he is acting very cleverly. >> these people who are teachers of the next generation, are they of the movement? this is what is insinuated or suggested by the authorities yet >> more than 10,000 teachers were arrested because they were of thed to be supporters pkk, the kurdish movement, but the problem is we do not know the truth yet. the courts are not working effectively, and there is no one who can tell us what is right and what is wrong.
coup has been how many muncie aqua and still, it is so foggy and everyone says something, and we cannot know who is a supporter pkk.len, supporter this state of emergency contributes to the confusion detain peoplen for nine days without allowing him or her to see his or her lawyer. >> i think you made an interesting point. listening that gulen is a representative of the radical lists.s. my undererstanding is radical ia 's policy. erdogan if you look at how many are suddenly backed by religious arguments, you see that certain symbols arare getting political
and religious importance. we have to take care that this is also one of the points we have to tatake care. i don't say that this is a basic motive of him to do what he is doing, but if you are looking at what is going on on the s strees and around the country, you know that you have to take care that religion is not misused for political issues. really wanted an islamic dictatorship in turkey, he would not have broken with the gulen movement. we heard him saying that gulen is just as bad as i.s. considering he worked with gulen until four or five years ago, where does that put him?
if there is a plan to transform them, susurely he would not have broken with gulen, who helped generals, the the state. i think he is now much more in the pocket of the generals than he was before. this is part of the strange consideration where we do not know who is controlling who. you're not going to suggest it is correct to dismiss thousands of teachers, but i will say that your first answer was right -- we really do not know what is happening, and i don't see a plan. i see terrible confusion. directionre religious , i said. that is totally different. islamic country has very confusing connotations because there exists the terrorist
think hetate, and i does not tell us he does not want similar things. i think they are very alike. know,w, today, for instance, why did they f fall apart -- wh .> that is a big open q question >> yes, and it is very simple, and we don't know. to bea democratic country humanized, respected, etc., both groups are not very respectful. >> only a few weeks ago, no coup in turkey, and the authorities did not handle situations like demonstrations, opposition, on the way how a democratic state
would have to do, and we do not have to forget that because it is a point which did not stop. it continued. it had perhaps a pretext to make more about that, but erdogan's governments were not on the we are asking to respect our positions, to respect p people who are not accepting that you are the president. chance toive a respond. we are running out of time. >> you are right, of course. -- armany had a war on its war on its borders like they have with syria, millions of refugees as we have in turkey, if they had a civil war, it was the pkk who started the war, not erdogan, and if we had deep state generals conspiring, that i don't know if we would be so -- sitting here in berlin are
saying we can live with this because there are thousands in prison who are in trouble. >> i would like to bring things slowly to a close and ask the following question -- we have seen what has happened in turkey in the last couple of months. there has been a coup initially and then a crackdown. how should the west respond t to this? how should germany respond? should germany or we respond by waving our fingers, taking the moral high ground and saying we do not accept these sanctions and so on, or should we keep channels of communication open? >> key channels of communication open, no sanctions, engage with turkey and tries to drag thehem back into europe. >> i remember this refugee deal erdogan and how it
contributed to his power, so i it to contribute to a more democratic turkey. >> we are communicating with countries like russia and china. why not with turkey? communication is every time better than not at all. one of the ways we can communicate -- >> the impression is often that mr. erdogan is not listening to the west any longer. >> it can be, it could be, it will be, but that's not the reason we are not saying what we believe. >> we're going to leave now and i'm going to say thank youou toy joining me today. plenty of food for thought on the debate about press freedom in turkey after the coup. if you want to share the discussion with us, do join us on social media on the internet. until next week, bye-bye. cheers.
♪ >> hello and a very warm welcome to "focus on europe." in a week, when politicians are back from their holidays and now have to get down to work, they are going to have to figure out how europe is going to manage britain's exit from the european union. i'm damien mcguinness. thanks very much for joining us. and today, we're going to look how people in britain are dealing with their decision to leave the e.u. in the recent referendum. some might be getting cold feet . after the referendum, the pound
fell in value, making trips abroad more expensive. that's m meant a boom for tourut resorts in the uk, but many brits would still much rather be in thehe eu. but more of that later. first to that other big crisis facing europe, the migrant crisis. it's exactly a year since german chancellor angela merkel said germany would take in refugees fleeing the middle east, most of whom were making their way across the balkans to the eu. it's a decision which has split germany in two, between those who say the country can't cope and those who are proud of merkel's humanitarian pro-refugee stance. and it's turned into a major political problem for the chancellor, but it's an even bigger problem for those refugees who are stuck behind the closed borders in the balkans, mainly women and children. as two german students found out when they decided to cycle across europe, following the route refugees took before the
borders were closed. ♪ >> we're on a 2000-kilometer bicycle tour across europe along the migration route through the balkans. timo and i are visiting refugee camps, and at the end of our journey, we'll have a documentary on it. >> we get the feeling that often the news media go into the camps, get the bare facts and never really talk to the people. we wanted to find out who these people are. >> emotionally, it's definitely heavy. it's very demanding. >> timo schmidt and florian volz study political science in the hague.
they set out to learn how refugees actually experience the balkan route. the refugee camp in gevgelija, macedonia, on the greek border. the first impression is good, but deceptive. >> here is like a prison. and everyone have school, have university, have a future for them. and we're comining to europope y not to be in a prison actually. >> it was the sense of hopelessness among the young people that mos affected florian and timo. >> we just feel helpless. that's what infuriates and frustrates me. we're not able to hand out passports. reporters have gotten scarce here since the balkan route was closed. timo and florian promise to tell these peoples' story. >> for me, the hardest part is
leaving. we have our german passports, so we can just leave. but these people have to stay here, and somehow, nobody cares. >> near serbia's border to eu-member hungary, timo and florian see for themselves how catastrophic the situation is. three thousand are stranded here, living in inhumane conditions, just outside the eu's frontier. some things were unexpected. >> there was a moment in this camp in the transit zone when a little boy came up to me and hugged me. and that was the moment the dam broke for me. [crying] >> they have to press on.
with their german passports, it's no problem for them to cross macedonia's border with greece. how have things developed here since macedonia closed its border to refugees, leaving thousands stranded in greece? the nea kavala refugee camp lies just twenty kilometers from the border. the people here tell timo about conditions in the camp. >> for five months, they've been eating the same food. the children play in the sun, and they're having skin problems. and they say that living in tents is a problem. after five months, you need to feel a little bit at home. >> the women told me about their husbands who are in belgium and germany, but they got left behind in greece. that's what we saw, lots of
women with children in the camp. it was an unusual but highly educational way for two students to spend the summer. ♪ >> that they can walk all this way on foot, and then stand there and tell us they're going to go all the way to germany. i got the feeling they could make it all the way around the world. there's so much willpower driving them, so much hope, it's incredible. it really gets to you. that's the moment when you learn to appreciate what you've got. ♪ damien: i was back in london the other day.
and it was my first visit since the uk voted to leave the european union. i was pretty intrigued to see what the moods like. and it wasn't what i'd expected. despite what many feared, the economy has not collapsed. in fact, the very latest economic indicators are looking pretty good. domestic consumption is up. even business confidence is starting to recover. now that might be because the uk hasn't actually left the eu yet. so, many in britain are worried about what will happen long term when the uk eventually does leave. so far, the pound is weaker than before the vote, which already is having an impact on ordinary people, including where they decide to go holiday. ♪ >> wells-next-the sea is fuller than ever. is britain in crisis? not here! the seaside resort in north norfolk, on england's east coast, is bursting at the seams because more britons are spending their holidays in britain. steve franklin usually goes camping in france.
this year, he's here with his five children, fishing for crabs. >> i don't think we're seeing too bad effects yet of brexit, but we'rere really uncertain of what the future holds. we're a little bit scared of spending too much money. terrorism, i think, is a big thing for a lot of people, as well, especially with the attacks on airports and so on. >> but in wells-next-the-sea they feel safe. tourism officials boast that the police are rarely needed. foreigners are also few and far between. after the uncertainty of recent months, britons are yearning for familiarity and security. holidaymakers are flocking to norfolk, where visitor numbers are up 25% over last year. >> the decision to come out of europe, and it's playing into our hands. i mean, wells is bursting at the seams. people are setting up b&b's, holiday homes to let. we've got lists and lists of accommodation in wells.
more and more this year than we've ever had before. >> staycations are in this year. after voting to leave the eu, it's the british way of preparing for what could be tough times ahead. and it has its advantages, too! >> you certainly don't have any problem reserving sun beds and germans putting their towels on the sun beds. that's very good. sorry, germans! [laughter] >> the sun rarely shines here anyway. in norfolk, at least, the brexit has delivered what voters hoped it would, a focus on britons and their interests. since the referendum, the british pound has lost around 10% of its value. that makes vacationing in europe less attractive and norfolk more. >> it's a big issue, because now i think we have to be careful. because we don't know which way user going to go, so i think we have to be a bit more conservative in our spending. >> the ongoing uncertainty weighs on people's s minds. timothy lang's included. as professor of food policy at city university london, he's concerned that l leaving the eu
will negatively affect his countrymen's eating habits. >> we import horticulture and we export whiskey, alcohol and biscuits. and meat and dairy. actually, we get the good stuff from being members of the european union and we export heart disease! >> britain imports two-thirds of its foodstuffs. imports from the eu are currently duty and tax-free, but no one knows if they'll stay that way. overall, food prices have already risen since the brexit vote. that hits the poor hardest, as buying food consumes an ever larger part of their income. the uk's huge service sector is also in danger. it's shrinking as fast as it did during the financial crisis. in the city, london's financial centre, they see their worst fears being realized and are praying for time. >> if i had my best dream at all, i'd be inventing time travel and g going back to try d make sure i change the decision.
however, if i have a dream to actually say what could actually try and make this right, the answer is, no one takes any precipitate, immediate decisions. they take a longer-term view with common sense, to be able to say that over a period of time these issues can be sorted out and that article 50 does not have to be pressed. press that button and you create something which is going to be really very dangerous indeed. >> word on the street has it that the brexit ministry lacks both a game plan and staff, and is unlikely to trigger a departure from the eu until early 2017. "keep calm and carry on" is a british maxim, but until firms know what direction the uk's headed, they're holding back on hiring and investments. ♪ but at the beach in wells, britons are enjoying themselves and taking a holiday from the eu. the real divorce will come later.
damien: spain was one of the countries hit hardest by the eurozone crisis over the last few years. the toll on ordinary people has been terrible. youth unemployment hasas been so high that the hopes of a whole generation have been wiped out. now economic growth is returning, partly because of labor market reforms, but the problem is that these new measures have eaten into workers' employment rights. and so even though the economy is getting back on its feet, many workers aren't. instead, many feel desperate, trapped in insecure, badly paid jobs. >> the work is hard, even though she has done it for years. rosmery was a chambermaid in an aparthotel in barcelona until about six months ago. she developed tendonitis in her right arm and went on sick leave. the mother of four says her job caused the injury. i have trouble lifting things, making beds, cleaning, setting tables. >> the constant up and down
motion. there comes a point where my arm just can't lift anymore. >> chambermaids like rosmery say working conditions in the hotel industry are tough, despite spain's booming tourist industry. last year, 93 million guests paid decent money for overnight stays. and a new record is expected for this year. maria recently left her former job as a chambermaid because of the working conditions. she prefers to remain anonymous, but says it's much better now compared to her old workplace. >> there we only had between 7 and 10 minutes for each room. we weren't allowed to take breaks or eat lunch.
and instead of ending our shift at 5:00, we had to do unpaid extra work afterwards. they never paid for overtime. >> rosmery was fired for taking too much sick leave, but she says she worked for a whole year, despite her impairment. >> maybe because i kept working despite the pain, my arm never had a chance to rest and recover. so i wasn't able to do the work as expected. still, i worked hard, and did everything i could, so i leave with my head held high. >> now, rosmery's among the 20% of spaniards out of work. the hotel says it acted lawfully. four years ago, a labor market reform made it easier for companies to fire employees, even those who are ill.
the hotel director says competition is fierce. >> a company isn't a charitable organization. there are investors who risk their money and want to make a profit. otherwise, they wouldn't invest their money. so we have to make decisions accordingly. sometimes they're pleasant, sometimes they're not. >> the unions say the labor market reform is to blame for this situation. during the economic crisis, the government pushed through the reform, in spite of opposition from labor representatives. >> before the reform it was illegal to fire employees from one day to the next, and then to hire them to work for half the
pay through a temp agency rather than hire them to work directly for the hotel. >> the chambermaids are disappointed that the unions failed to prevent the labor market reform. they've founded an organization called "las kellys" to put pressure on hotels and temp organizations. they want certain physical conditions to be recognized as occupational illnesses. if this were so, rosmery might get some support. >> when i came here from bolivia, i never thought it'd come to this. it pains me that i cannot provide for my children as i want to. >> there are some 100,000 chambermaids working in spain. but they're not well organized politically. and when they go o on strike, they're easily replaced by the hotels, because there are so many others desperate for work.
damien: now to austria. with its picture-postcard villages and breathtaking alpine scenery, it's one of the most beautiful countries in europe. but parts of austria's history are less attractive, particularly the fact that adolf hitler was austrian, and had a lot of support there. something which the country is sometimes accused of not facing up to. the austrian city of braunau has no choice but to work through its nazi past. that's because in 1889 hitler was born there. and austria is struggling to decide what to do with the actual house he was born in. >> rotraud steiger has lived across the street from hitler's birthplace for some fifty years, and she's heard it all before. she thinks the matter has been blown out of all proportion. >> in my opinion, this house,
well, he only lived in that house for fourteen days. he was just a baby. >> a baby who would grow up to become the most notorious criminal of the twentieth century. austria's interior minister would just as soon have hitler's birthplace torn down. the owner has dropped out of sight and remains unavailable for comment. not even braunau's mayor has ever negotiated with her in person. now, the state has decided to expropriate the building. >> this expropriation is a bit dubious, the idea that a nation of laws like austria can just expropriate a building. many people here are saying that's not t right. >> it's also the topic of discussion at simbock's tobacco shop. what should be done with the hitler house? >> even if they leave an open pit, people will still know what it used to be.
>> postcards of hitler's house are for sale here, ostensibly because of the memorial stone in front. it was brought here from mauthausen concentration camp as a reminder of the crimes of nazism. martin simbock thinks the building itself can serve that purpose. >> the building shouldn't be torn down but used in a responsible way, to educate people about history and work against fascism, for historical and academic work. >> several of his customers also oppose the interior minister's plans. >> they just want to tear it down to keep the idiots from gathering there every april 20, the diehard fanatics. there are other ways to stop that. you don't have to tear the building down. >> but the government wants to
keep the house from becoming a place of pilgrimage for right-wing extremists. eveven if they've been n showinp leless frequeny,y, they don't limit their appearances to hitler's birthday, april the 20. the ikg jewish community in vienna also sees demolition as the best solution. >> nobody can say how the ownership of this building might develop in the future or how the local political structure might develop, but once the building is torn down, it's gone and can't be rebuilt. >> tearing it down would not be as final as it seems. some political analysts see that solution more as sweeping the problem under the rug. >> it'd be like a death sentence for the building. but if i just blew it away, i wouldn't have the opportunity to resocialize it, to deal with it.
>> andreas maislinger's calling for hitler's birthplace to be redefined as a house of responsibility, , where young people from all l over the world can learn about braunau and delve into their own history. he's collected over four thousand supporters for his initiative over the internet. but t hitlerer's birthplace isnt braunau's only problem. the name itself recalls the brown uniforms of the nazi party members and the sa. some people would prefer to rename the town. rotraud steiger is just as much against that idea as she is agagainst tearing down the h hoe where hitler was born. >> it won't change history. it would be nice if you could just tear down a building and change history. i see no point to it. besides, what would they put there?
>> no one can answer that question yet. braunau will continue to search for a way to rid itself of the ghosts of its past. damien: what to do with the house were hitler's was born? destroy it? ignore it? or turn it into a museum? not an easy dilemma to solve. let me know your thoughts by dropping me a line on facebook, email or twitter. in europe, giant sea turtles are relatively rare. and one of the biggest threats to their survival is tourism. that's because they nest in warm , sandy beaches. the same sort of places popular with tourists, which is why in cyprus, one of the few places in europe which still has a large turtle population, some local people are devoting their lives to saving the turtle. > bizarre rock formations, smooth sand and a beautiful view, a beach like many others in the world.
but this beach on lara bay in cyprus is different, under the sand lies buried treasure. myroulla and her husband andreas have dedicated their lives to the treasure here. there's an art to finding it because the treasure they seek is turtle egg nests. >> the sand above the turtle nest is soft. if you dig on the sides, you'll find areas are hard to stick. you have to be careful or course, or you'll go through the eggs. >> they carefully remove layer after layer of sand until they reach the eggs. curious tourists who've wandered onto the beach watch the process. the duo know exactly what they're doing. they've been working to preserve the sea turtle population of cyprus for 35 years. sometimes, they manage to rescue a few hatchlings that didn't get out of the sand.
>> 106, 107, 108, 108 eggs hatched and the babies went to the sea. together with the four we have in the bucket. >> the four foundlings also head out to the open sea. >> that was great, and it's amazing that so small turtles can get so large. it's amazing. >> it's illegal to camp on the beach, so the tourists are a threat to the turtle eggs. >> people come in to visit the area, but at the same time they want to stay. they put up beach umbrellas, and camp beds. the problem is the fishing department has no staff to implement the law. >> when andreas, myroulla and their team find a turtle nest, a lid is placed above it for protection.
then, the location's exact gps coordinates are noted. they dig out another nest. the baby turtles have hatched but haven't yet dug though the sand. we get to see something that most tourists never get to witness. the baby turtles scurry seaward. it's a race against the time, and a struggle foror survival. ♪ in 25 or 30 years, they'll return to thisis exact beach, under the protectition of night, to lay t the next generation o f sea turtle eggs. damien: well that's all for this week. remember, do feel free to get in touch with us anytime with your thoughts and comments. but for now it's goodbye from me, and the whole team here. and do join us next week for more personal stories from all over europe.
carolina miranda: to many outsiders, culture in los angeles is something that begins and ends with the movies, but the city has always been home to radical voices and new ideas that have stirred things up in aart, in lititerature, i in architecture and u urban life. in recent years, the city's artistic profile has grown bigger and brighter with new culturalal institutitions, new approaches to art, and new ways of thinking about the landscape. join me as we hit some of the city's most important cultural nerve centers. i'm carolina miranda, culture writer for the "los angeles times," and this is "artbouound." woman: los angeles is an infinitely inspiring city. it feels like you can just exploroe