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their products back here for sale." in brazil, tens of thousands of people took part in women-led rallies in rio de janeiro, sao paulo, and other cities on saturday to protest against the far-right presidential candidate jair bolsonaro ahead of the october 7 brazilian election. bolsonaro is currently leading polls, even though he was forced to stop campaigning after being stabbed last month. bolsonaro is a former army officer who has openly praised brazil's military dictatorship which lasted from 1964 to 1985. he said he used his government housing allowance to pay sex workers, called women week, threatened gay people with violence, called a political opponent to ugly to rape. the theme of saturday's protest was "not him." because he is a danger. he has hatred for our country because he represents few people
that he represents. threat tonts a democracy inin our country, a democracy that we are still building. amy: in news from gaza, israeli soldieiers fatally shot seven palestinian protesters on friday and injured more than 500 others taking part in a protest. the dead included two palestinian boys aged 12 and 14. israeli soldiers have killed at least 190 palestinians in gaza since the great march of return protests began in march. meanwhile, palestinians in the west bank, jerusalem, and gaza have launched a general strike today to protest against israeli's new jewish nation-state law that declares only jews have the right of self-determination in israel. during a rally in west virginia on s saturday, president trump heaped praised on north korean leadader kim jonong-un saying te two of them have fallen in love.
pres. trump: when i did it, and i was really being tough -- and so was see. we would go back and forth. and then we fell in love. ok? no am a really. he wrote in a beautiful letters. and they are great letters. we fell in love. you know what? bill s say, "donald trump said they fell in love full stop how horrible. how horrible is that?" soso unpresidential.l. amy: in news from burma, the imprisoned two dove reuters reporters have asked for a pardon. the reporters were detained in december while they were investigating the killing of 10 rohingya muslim men and boys by security forces and local buddhists in burma's rakhine state. on supporters of the reuters friday, reporters held an event at the united nations. speakers included their attorney amal clooney. >> his case is more about than
just two innocent men. is that they president -- it said they proceed in. too many countries around the world we are seeing autococratic regimes like of f anyone who criticizes them and neeeeds a whole host of laws to basically criminalize speech and quash defense. you have to fight every single time it happens. amy: in environmental news, the trump administration has taken a nunumber of steps s in recent ts to roll back environmental regulations and oversight. "the new york times" is reporting acting environmental protection agency administrator andrew wheeler has completed a proposal to dramatically weaken a major environmental regulation covering mercury, a toxic chemical emitted from coal-burning power plants. meanwhile, the interior department has proposed loosening major offshore juggling regulations that were put in place after the 2010 deepwater horizon oil rig disaster in the gulf of mexico.
this all comes as the epa has announced plans to dissolve its office of the science advisor which was created to give the head of the epa sound advice about scientific research. in immigration news, "the new york times" is reporting the trump administstration has been bebegun ansfsferring d detained migranant children from shelters across the country to a barren tent city in west texas. "the times" reports hundreds of children are being sent each week from shelters to the tent city, which currently houses 1600 children. the u.s. government is now detaining a record 13,000 migrant childrdren. a federal judge has rulele congressional democrats can move forward with an anti-corruption lawsuit against president trump. the suit accuses trump of violating the foreign emoluments clause of the constitution by receiving payments from foreign governments through the trump
international hotel in washington, d.c., and other establishments around the world. the justice department sued the state of california on sunday night shortly after california governor jerry brown signed a net neutrality bill to restore internet rules that were rolled back by the federal communications commission last year. california's attorney general xavier becerra defended the state law saying california "w"will not allow a a handful of power brokers to dictate sources for information or the speed at which websites load." in other news from california, governor brown has signed legislation requiring that all publicly traded companies based in california must have at least one wowoman on their board of directors by the end of 2019. massachusetts senator elizabeth warren has announced she is openly considering running for president in 2020.
she spoke e on satdaday in holyok m massausetetts go tois time fo wen to washington and sixre broke government, and that includes th woman at the to so here is what i omomise. aftenovember 6, i willake a hard loo at running for president. amy: and on friday, protests were held in dallas and new york to honor slain texas man botham of what woulde have been his 27th birthday. shot dead in his own apartment by a dallas police officer who is now facing minute -- manslaughter charges. man murdered by
an off-duty cop. botham was murdered in his own guygerter officer amber broke into his home thinking it was her own apartment and shot him to death. we are here tonight to say this must end. amy: and those are some of the headlines. this is democracy now!,, democracynow.org, the war and peace report. after a dramatic friday that began withth the republican-led judiciarary committee e plannino approve supreme court nominee brett kavanaugh and ended with pause for a week-long fbi investigation into dr. christine blasey ford's claims that kavanaugh tried to rape her in high school, democrats are now focused on how the probe is
being handled. president trump ordered the fbi investigation friday after republican senator jeff flake of arizona surprised his colleagues on the senate judiciary committee by agreeing to advance kavanaugh's nomination only if a investigation took place. the committee voted 11 to 10 in favor of kavanaugh's supreme court confirmation. for a full senate vote after the of the i investigation concludes. top democrat on the committee, senator dianne feinstein of california, is now asking that the white house and the fbi provide trump's written directive ordering the investigation into kavanaugh. "the new york times" reports the fbi's limited supplemental background check could be finished by monday morning. it says the fbi was directed by the white house and senate republicans to interview just four people -- kavanaugh's high school friends mark judge and p.j. smyth, dr. christine blasey
ford's high school friend leland keyser, and another kavanaugh accuser, deborah ramirez. three women have come forward to accuse brett kavanaugh of sexual misconduct. he has denied all of the sexual assault allegations against him. as of sunday, the lawyer for dr. blasey ford, debra katz, told reporters she had not been contacted by the fbi despite repeated efforts to speak with them. the lawyer for julie swetnick, the third woman who has accused kavanaugh of excessive drinking and inappropriate treatment of women in the early 1980's, said saturday she had not been contacted by the fbi either. reports the fbi has failed to follow up with several individuals who want to speak with the fbi. in a tweet sunday afternoon, trump pushed back on criticism of the fbi investigation, writing -- "wow! just starting to hear the democrats, who are only thinking obstruct and delay, are starting to put out the word that the 'time' and 'scope' of fbi looking into judge kavanaugh and
witnesses is not enough. hello! for them, it will never be enough -- stay tuned and watch!" trump spoke to reporters over the weekend. pres. trump: having the fbi go out and do a thorough investigation, whether it is three days or seven days and i think it is going to be less than a week, but having them do a thorough investigation, i actually think will be a blessing in disguise. it will be a good thing. >> do you have a backup plan for mr. kavanaugh? pres. trtrump: i don't needed a backckup plan.n. amy: on saturday, senatotor bere sanderers called on for the fbfo investstigate whetheher kavanauh committed perjury while testifying under oath at various times in the past, including thursday. sanders said in a letter to committee chair chuck grassley -- "a fundamental question the fbi can help answer is whether judge kavanaugh has been truthful with the committee. this goes to the very heart of whether he should be confirmed to the court."
we begin today's show with one of the two women credited with billing brett kavanaugh's confirmation, republican senator jeff flake of arizona was on his way to cast his vote in the senate judiciary committee shortly after announcing his intentions to confirm to vote yes for trump's supreme court nominee brett kavanaugh when he was confronted by two women who were sexual assault survivors in an elevator. the women held the door open, telling flake through their tears he was dismissing their pain will stop this is one of them, ana maria archila. >> senator flake, do you think brett kavanaugh is t telling the truth? do you think he is able the pain of this country and repair at? that is the work of justice. you recognize heart. you take responsibility for it,
and then you begin to repair it. you are allowing someone who is unwilling to take responsibility for his own actions and willing to hold the harm he is done to 11 menen -- actually, three wom, and repair it. you are allowing someone who is unwilling to take responsibility for his own action to the highest court of the country and to have the role of repairing the harm that has been done in this country to many people. what do think? >> senator, do you care to respond? >> i want to talk to him. what do you say? i understand, but i'm standing right here in front of you. what do you -- do you think he is telling the truth? do you think he is telling the truth to the country? many women are powerless. >> can you not give them an answer, senator?
you don't have the courage to give them an answer? >> thank you. come in or out. thank you. " is not anthank you answer. amy: that was ana maria archila. this is maria gallagher, who also confronted senator flake as he was in the elevator right before his vote on the senate judiciary committee. nobody believed me. i did not tell anyone and you are telling all women that they don't matter, that they should just stay quiet because if they tell you what happened to them, you're going to ignore them. that is what happened to me and that is what you are telling all women in america, that they don't matter, they should just keep it to themselves because if they had told the truth, they're just going help that man to power anyway. that is whwhat youou're tellingl of these womenen. that is what you are telling me right now. look at me when i'm talking to
you. you are telling me my assault doesn't matter, that what happened to me doesn't matter, and that y you're going to let people whoho do these things ino power. that is what you arere telling e when you vote for himim. don't look a away from me. lookt meme and tell l me it doesn't matter what happened to me, that you u will let peoeople like that go into the hihighest court ofof the land and tell everyone what they can do to their bodies. >> do you have an answer, senator? amy: that was maria gallagher, along with ana maria archila. they are the two women to confronted senator flake on friday. shortly afterwards in a stunning reversal, senator flake announced to his colleagues on the committee that he was calling to delay the vote on the senate floor, though he did vote for confirmation of kavanaugh in the senanate judiciary committe. the vote was 11 to 10 down party lines. >> i have been speaking with a
numbmber of people on the other side. we have had ongoing conversations for a while with doard to making sure that we due diligence here. and i ththink it would be proper to delay the floor vote for up to, but not more than, one week in order to let the fbi continue -- to do an investigation, limited in time and scope, to the current allegations that are there. and limited in time to no more than one week. and i will vote to advance the with thate floor understanding. amy: well, for more, we're joined in our new york studio by ♪ [music break] ana maria archila. she is co-executive director for partly democracy. she can fly in to dish confronted flake along with ray
gallagher and wrote about her today" and a "usa article. welcome to democracy now! tell us about friday morning. friday morning i was getting ready to head back home after being in washington, d.c., for many days with hundreds of people that had traveled to d c to protest the nomination of brett kavanaugh. people who have health care .tories and stand to lose i showed up to the senate that thethe building atrium of the senate building at 8:30 and that maria gallagher, some of who felt a calling to show up and to
support those who are protesting . we had time, sure she said, summons that i should go to senator r flake's office, and we did. i have been in front of senator flake's office on monday and it was the first time i had decided to tell my story of survival. it seemed important for me to go back and try to find them. i did not think we would find him. i did not think we would really be able to have this interaction with him. but i am an organizer. i know we have to fight up until the very last minute. and that is how we exercise power together. amy: and he had just issued his statement. >> the reaction that people are seeing in the elevator is the reaction of maria and i just finding out he issued a statement and he was ready to vote for brett kavanaugh, even after hearing the very powerful and gutwrenching testimony of dr. blasey ford, who stood in front of him and all of the
republican men and the democratic senators, to share her story because she felt citizen -- she felt compelled to share her story to protect her country. i felt compelled to share my story to join her in solidarity and also to protect my children. i am deathly afraid that brett kavanaugh will roll back decades of progress in our country on women's rights, civil rights, on the gp gq equality. equality. amy: explain what happened when he went into the elevator or when you spotted him. >> there were some reporters standing around the door of his office. they spotted him first and ran behind him. maria and i ran behind them. amy: you did not know maria before. >> we adjust. i did not know her story. she was telling me it was her
first time trying to talk to an elected official. i was giving her tips. you can share your story. tell them why you're there. elevatoran into the and put our foot in the door as it was closing, and then just stayed there. the adrenaline of running behind him, the fact we knew we just had a few minutes, we used those minutes and the best way we could. slows ali talking about it, we were really demanding a connection. we were really asking him to be there in that moment and feel the pain and the rage that women across the country and survivors across the country are feeling right now. amy: and so you told him you're sexually assaulted. >> i said, senator flake, just a few days ago i stood in front of your office and for the first time shared my story of sexual assault. i did it because i recognize my
own experience in dr. ford's testimony. , what message are you sending to your children and my children? do you think -- are you comfortable with the idea of putting someone who is been accused of sexual assault in the supreme court for the next 50 years? ? and for both of our children to grow up in a country amy: you are also just probably talking about your sexual assault and you have national cameras on you . had you told your family yet? >> i had not told my father. so immediately after that interaction, i texted him and i said, you're going to hear something that we haven't talked about. i want you to know that i am ok. and the reason why i did not tell him from more than 30 years tobecause i didn't want him
feel pain. i did not want him to feel like he did not protect me. it is the same reasoson it tooke many years, more than 10 years, before i told my mother. that fear that i had as a a chid was confirmed. the thing that my father texted back was, "i am so sorry i was not able to protect you." so i know we don't tell our stories because we are often confused, ashamed, feel responsible, and are afraid to cause pain to the people that love us. amy: which is one of the answers to why christine ford hasn't told her story for all of these decades. >> that is exactly right. i want to say, you know, lots of people are talking about -- are asking me, do you think you changed flake's mind? just been he had maria and i in that elevator and if he had just heard that for the first time, the story for
the first time, i do not think you would have changed his vote. i think it was the cue militant affect of thousands and thousands of people -- cue militant affect of thousands and thousands of people going through this incredibly painful experience to try to change the culture, to bring it to existence a country where we're not constantly ignoring, disbelieving, doubting the truthfulness and t the value of women, of our stories, of our voices come of country where we expensinglegated to not just sexual violence, but political violence -- the experiencing not just sexual violence, but political violence and economic violence. i think all of us are doing this incredible labor of love of telling our stories and through that pain, bringing a new country into existence. and that is really what t is happening right now. flake left you
at that point and vototed in the senate judiciary commimittee to as arm judge kavanaugh supreme court justice. so it was 11-10 partyline vote. where were you when you heard this, and then when you heard that he saiaid he would not vote yes again where it counts on the senate floor unless there was an fbi investigation? the same aetrium of the senate building where i had met maria, when i heard both of those events. i was not close to a tv screen. asas not watching the events they were unfolding. i was here reports from people that were watching it. hearing reports from people that were watching it. at both points, i was surprised and shocked and reminded that, -- that if we sit
back and allow events to unfold by themselves, we give up all of our power. these nominations, the nomination of brett kavanaugh was a given at the beginning of the summer. everyone assumed this was going to happen without any snag. i think people who know they were going to lose their health care, women who knew our rights were at stake said, well, we still have to fight. it was that spirit of, well, we still have to do whatever we can to try to stop it, that got maria and i to that building. amy: no matter what happens, you have changed history. >> i hope we really change history, all of us, everyone that is watching, today by showing up this week. i think we have an opportunity to change history. i want to make sure we don't sit back and allow the fbi to resolve -- to be the deciding factor in who gets nominated to
the supreme court. the court works for us. in the same way we're asking senators to take this decision -- this responsibly, i wanted to ask you to take this their sleeve. call your senators. come to washington, d.c., show up at the heart senate building every day this week at 9:00. come to the rally that is going to happen at noon on thursday in d.c. amamy: you are a true organizer. i think the media generate -- denigrates activists. the will say, she came for first time, never protested before. arerek implicit in that there arare what thehey call profofessional activists. you're the coexecutive director for the center for popular democracy. talk about what that means, popular democracy. >> i think popular democracy is both what we aspire this country
to be -- we, the people at the center for popular democracy, the people who are showing up for the first time, the people who have been showing up for years, all of us share these ideas that democracy is not a spectator sport, that we breathe life into it every time we engage, and that it belongs to us. both are protective shield in some ways against corporate power, but it is also the way in which we express our love for each other and our willingness to take care of each other. are, youf those ideas know, why popular democracy is the thing that my organization is trying to inspire people to participate in. amy: i want to thank you so much for being with u us. what would you like to see the
fbi ask? what questions do you feel need to be answered? and the issue of the number of people who have said they want to talk to the fbi who have not been contacted yet. president trump says they have one week anand the investigation isis very limited. >> i want to make sure the women who were so c courageous and cae out in public to share their expense of brett kavavanaugh gea full hearing, that the fbi really does everything in its power to understand their stories. i want to make sure that the investigation also reaches into all of the people that were around brett kavanaugh at the time. i think the country deserves -- we desperately need people to have trust in the court. but again, i don't want us to
just give up our power and wait for the fbi to resolve these questions. want alll of us -- i of us to become a legion of elevator women across the country. let's make sure they look at us. let's show up and say, looook at me.. look at me. that is what social movements are made of. look at me. amy: ana maria archila, you have crew -- clearly redefined elevator music. ana maria archila is co-executive director of the center for popular democracy. she, along with another woman, maria gallagher, confronted republican senator jeff flake of arizona in an elevator after he was to vote inhe the senate judiciary committee, right after he announced he was going to support judge kavanaugh's nomination to the supreme court. shortly after the confrontation, senator flake did vote to confirm m judge kavanaugh, but e said he would not vote yes again
amy: willie e nelson premiering his new song "vote him out." this is democracy now!, democracynow.org, the war and peace report. i'm amy goodman. the fbi is continuing its reopened investigation into supreme court nominee brett kavanaugh and allegations made by dr. christine blasey ford that kavanaugh attended to rape her in 1982. say kavanaugh committed perjury, lying during his testimony. a friend of kavanaugh's from yale as accused him of lying about his striking habits and college in testimony must for testimony. charles ludington said -- "when brett got drunk, he was often hundred and aggressive. on one of the last occasions are
purposefully socialized with him, not by diffusing the situation, but by throwing a beer in the man's face and starting a fight with that ended with one of our mutual friends in jail." a number of kavanaugh's remake -- classmates at yale have made similar remarks about kavanaugh's drinking. group of alumni from kavanaugh's all-male school high school has issued a call for fellow graduates to come forward if they have information about any sexual assaults possibly committed by the supreme court nominee, saying in a petition -- "please do not remain silent, even if speaking out comomes at some personal cost." for more, we go to washington, d.c., where we are joined by lisa graves, co-director of documented, which investigates corporate influence on democracy. lisa, welcome back to democracy now! can you talk about what is the scope of this fbi investigation? president trump says he will only be a week. the white house controls this, though the information is given to the senate. explain who is being talked to,
who is notot. "the new yorker" is reporting a third woman who has a accused brett kavanaugh julie swetnick has not been contacted, though deborah ramirez said he pushed his genitals in her face, his naked genitals, she has been contacted. >> i digress in a lot of conflicting reports, but it is troubling what is emerging. what we saw on friday after the elevator confrontation was in agreement between democrats and republicans that there would be actual due diligence, that there would be an investigation into the allegations against brett kavanaugh, and that would include interviewing the witnesses, dr. ford, and the other two women. it would also include interviewing people whose evidence whose testimony could support them or not support them. it would also include interviewing brett kavanaugh of the fbi. what we're hearing is the white house counsel mcgann has somehow put limits on who the fbi can interview and made it very -- a
very small number of people. that is ridiculous. it shouldt the way proceed and it is not a real investigation. if it turns out that is what has happened, that they have try to whitewash this by interviewing only a couple of people, justice will not be served and this will be basically be a whitewash. senator feinstein has requested more information about the scope of the interviews. but quite frankly, i don't even think we should be having that sort of debate. what happened on friday was a recognition that more needs to be known about brett kavanaugh before he is given the sort of lifetime position. i think there is ample evidence he live i think he lied in his testimony on thursday. but the fbi should not be constrained by whatever limits the white house wants to impose because the white house wants to get brett kavanaugh on the court. in fact, if the whwhite house hd its way, he would be confnfirmed today. amy: lisa, you have said we should not be talking about. accusations, but false denials. you said he lied on thursday.
judge kavanaugh light on thursday undnder oath. explain. >> one, the conversation nationally in some parts has been on this notion that women make false accusations. it is exceedingly rare. the actual probability in our isntry just based on history when men are accused of attempted rape, sexual harassment, they deny it. they falsely denied. that is the norm. sometimes they falsely deny it with anger and sometimes through lawyers. but that is usually what happens. women come forward bravely tell her stories and men deny it. that is what we saw on friday. the statement of brett kavanaugh was appalling. the idea he would attack those senators for daring to investigate a credible allegation of attempted rape is absurd. it is more than a credible allegation.
what we saw was compelling, consistent, eyewitness testimony from dr. ford. it should be fully credited. what brett kavanaugh offered is anger. anger is not evidence of innocence, thoroughly does not refute that compelling and consistent testimony of dr. ford. what you saw brett kavanaugh do is talk about his history, his drinking history, his yearbrboo, even the statements of people who have been asked about the incident claiming the other people who she says were there deny it. and fact, most of them said they did not remember it will stop which is full of consistent with her statement. it wasn't significant for them. her.as significant for h i believe he lied in his testimony in 2004, 2000 six, and earlier this month about a number of matters, including his role in receiving stolen confidential information, information stolen from the u.s. senate about judicial
nominations and lying about his role in those nominations. i think this man brett kavanaugh tells lies big and small. he is unfit for the bench. he is not fit for the united states supreme court. i call for him to be impeached, not promoted. amy: you are talking about imimpeach riright now from -- as federal court judge. >> i think that should be the conversation. i think there is ample evidence for the house to begin an investigation. impeachment would begin in the house, not the senate. under oure procedure constitution. i do not know how long that sort of inquiry would take, but there is certainly ample evidence kavanaugh has been untruthful, lied under oath, misled the senate everything will time he has testified, testifying falsely, in my view. his statements having contradicted by evidence in in4,2006, earlier this month
2018, and just this past week. amy: i want to get to those issues you have raised before you were a top aide to senator leahy when you're talking about you believe brett kavanaugh ultimately when he was brought before the senate lied about information he got about judicial nominations when he worked for george w. bush. after the show we will do a post show and posted online at democracynow.org. lisa graves, codirector of documented, which investigates corporate influence on democracy. she is the former chief counsel for nominations for the ranking member of the senate judiciary committee for senator leahy. in 30 seconds we will be speaking with kimberle crenshaw and be looking at parallels between clarence thomas and brett kavanaugh. stay with us. ♪ [music break]
amy: legendary blues guitarist otis rush who died saturday at the age of 84. this is democracy now!, democracynow.org, ththe war and peace report. i'm amy goodman. our next guest argues that when senators questioned dr. blasey ford last week, they showed they had failed to learn from anita hill's 1991 testimony against clarence thomas. but first, i want to play some of the testimony from both confirmation hearings. president trump supreme court nominee brett kavanaugh testifying thursday before the senate judiciary committee that he did not sexually assault dr. thentine blasey ford,
clarence thomas testifying he did not sexually harass hill. >> this whole to recover it has been a calculated and orchestrated clinical hit, revenge on b behalf of the clintons and millions of dollars in money from outside left-wing opposition groups. this is a circus. looks this is a a circus. a nationonal disgrace. as far as i'm concererned, it ia highgh-tech lynchining for uppiy blacks who in any way deign to think for themselves. amy: for more, we go to los angeles where we are joined by kimberle crenshaw, professor of law at ucla and columbia university. she is the founder of the african-american policy form a. she assisted anita hill's legal team. her piece for "the new york times" last week was headlined "w"we still haven't learned from anita hill's testimony." welcome to democracy now! this is now after the testimony
of dr. blase ford and brett kavanaugh. your assessment of it? >> my assessment is both parties learned a lesson about objects, but not much about substance. the factor republicans realized that they could not themselves be in a position of interrogating dr. ford and therefore outsource that responsibility to someone else was a reflection of their understanding. i also think the democrats truly understood that one of the things that went so wrong in the last hearing was that anita hill had no support. there was still indication whatsoever that the democrats acactually believed her. of course, the republicans pretty much raped her over the coals. so we did not have either of those things happening this time.
but i think what we ststill foud out is there e is a huge lack of balance between the discursive capital, the ability to speak and be taken seriously between men and women. and then also between whites and nonwhites. so those who have more power have a broader range of possibilities so kavanaugh can go in and pretty much lose his mind and people think he is still credible. whereas dr. ford had to walk a very, very narrow line to be found to be credible. and even after she was found to be credible -- to the extent that even fox news was saying, we think the republicans are in trouble -- there's just a brief pause and then kavanaugh comes tears andds his suddenly, we are back to square one again. last week kate man called that himpathy, where men have more,
powerful men have more him and i think this is effectively what we saw playing out. go to dianne to feinstein. controversy over the confirmation of clarence thomas to the supreme court triggered a wave that swept democratic senator diannene feinstein of california into office, among other women. it was a year after that confirmation. now senator feinstein is a key player in kavanaugh's confirmation as the ranking member of the senate judiciary committee. she noted thursday that the fbi carried out an investigation into anita hill's allegations that thomas had sexually harassed her. hill's991, anita allegations were reviewed by the fbi, as is the normal process and squarely within its jurisdiction. in 1991, the senate heard from 22 witnesses over three days.
today, while rejecting an fbi investigation, republicans are refusing to hear testimony from any other witness, including mark judge, who dr. ford identified as being in the room when the attack took place. in 1991, republicans belittled or fester hill's experience, saying "it won't make a bit of difference in the outcome." on the burden of proof was professor hill. today, our republican colleagues are saying this is a hiccup. .r. ford is mixed up and declaring "i will listen to the lady, but we're going to bring this to a close." amamy: that was senator feinsten during the hearing. this anita hill making her opening statement atat the 1991 confirmation hearings for supreme court nominee clarence thomas when she testified that he sexually harassed her. >> after approximately three
months of working there, he asked me to go out socially with him. in tellinged next the world about it are the two most difficultlt thihings -- experiences of my life. it is only after a great deal of agonizing consideration and sleepless -- great numbmber of sleepless nights, that i am able to talk of these unpleasant mamatters to anyone but my close friends. amy: that was 1991. speaking in houston friday at an event where cameras were not allowed, anita hill noted she had watched dr. blasey ford testify and -- "i was struck by the doctor's openness to say how terrified she was to be there and talk about something that had had a profound impact, and k knowing there would be hostility. i was also impressed by how calm she was, how careful she was and how it affected her." describing kavanaugh's testimony she noted he had projected
anger, a lot of aggression and that -- "no female candidate for a supreme court position would ever have the license" to speak with similar fury. professor, you walked in with anita hill to her hearing. you accompanied her. the talk about the parallels now. and this point that professor hill also made, that if you were ofreverse the disposition these two people, the rage, the anger, the evasiveness, the attacking judge -- if that were christine blasey ford and kavanaugh wasnd apologetic, soft-spoken, cooperative, can you imagine if dr. ford acted like judge kavanaugh did at the hearing? >> it is absolutely
unimaginable. and that is the deeper reality behind sexual harassment, sexual abuse, gender injustice. it is not just the acts that happen. it is the broader context in which men have far more power, not only to create harm, but to deny responsibility for the harm they create. that weand importantly see happening right now, is when they are called to be accountable for what they have done, when something that , perhaps27 years ago in a context in which kavanaugh did not think there was any social sanction to have to worry about, ultimately catches up with him, what we get is the righteous indignation, the raging, the finger-pointing, the blaming of so many people. the real problem isn't just that there is room for him to do that, but that is doing that is affected so many people,
thinking that, of course we understand that level of rage. so overlooking, basically stepping over dr. blasey ford's trauma in a rush to embrace him, that is the part about this moment that is so frightening. we have seen this kind of anger thatng out in the stadiums president trump is going to. i think a lot of us can distance ourselves from that because we don't see it moving into the halls of power. thiskind of sentiment, aggression is justified by self-defense even though i'm defending against being held accountable for something that i have done, that is coming out into the senate, come to the judiciary committee, and it may be going into the supreme court. this is a very dangerous moment for our society and for our democracy. and it is important to try to draw the line in the sand at this very moment. in the endou wrote
of a piece for "the new york hill-thomas,he with has gone down in history as a colossal failure of intersectional organizing. you say it is not too late as the fight enters its next phase to write a better history. explain. >> my argument there was that one of the reasons why clarence thomas is so successful in galvanizing so many african-americans, membersrs of the civil rights community with his denunciation of this as a high-tech lynching is because people did not understand that the history of sexual harassment actually came from african american women. it was part of the civil rights freedom struggle. so not knowing that history put feminist and antiracist at odod. and that created this huge intersectional failure that led to the confirmation of clarence thomas. i think we have a similar opportunity to get a better and get it right this time, but we
have to be of the change our framework. right now the real struggle is to try to make it clear that the claims that kavanaugh is making, the attempt to rally the family, circle around the endangered now white male with all of the dog whistles all the wood to the bullhorn that you heard -- i worked hard, did not get a todout -- all the way grandma basically saying, what is going on? i'm a single white man and i'm not going to shut up anymore. we don't have to look hard to see what the claims that are being made here really are. so now the challenge is for women of all races, but also just but especially what women who recognize and brett kavanaugh that rageful response is so much was being held accountable, who heard and dr. blasey ford a truth, to resesist
the appeal to now gather around, and protect him. i think that is the new moment for intersectionality, to denounce this use of whiteness, maleness, the intersection of power and to say, we deserve better than this. amy: do you believe kavanaugh will be confirmed? >> i think that one of my lessons that i learned from the clarence thomas-anita hill situation -- we were in the senator's offices on thahat last day. and everyone was saying they had the votes, and we knew for a fact that they didn't. so this is going to go down to the wire. every effort to contact all of the senators, especially those who may be leaning in the , should happen until the very last vote is cast. amy: kimberle crenshaw, thank you for joining us professor of