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tv   Quadriga - The International Talk Show  LINKTV  November 11, 2018 10:00pm-10:31pm PST

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hello and welcome to quadriga dw's international talk show coming to you from berlin i'm brian thomas great to have you with us. when accounting was over it was spend time in washington with both republicans and democrats saying they were the victims as they plot the course towards the presidential election? in two years so who won the mid terms jubilant democrat. celebrating their new control the house with full powers now to subpoena investigate and hold up legislation. for the republicans deepening their senate victory gives them a powerful tool as well. as for donald trump loss of
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the house means you'll have to find a whole new way. of being america's presence. u. s. mid terms tough times for trump that's our topic today and to discuss that i'm happy to be joined by. griff wedding he's the bureau chief of the washington post in berlin he says. both sides can claim victory and both have a real reason to worry. mastercard is shaking as cheap europe correspondent for politico he says trump can still galvanize large portions of the american electorate. a fact that will worry many people both inside and outside the u. s. with just two years until the next presidential election. and we can have its works as an editor for the weekly decide he says the mid terms showed the force of female power. and the results limit donald trump's power to some extent but the country will remain deeply. divided. a warm welcome to all of
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your great to have you here rica. if i could start with you you talk about the role of women in in this election have women in america completely redesigned the political landscape. in this election -- well i wouldn't go as far as say they redesigned the whole political landscape but we have seen that -- never in history have been more women in parliament and right now i mean they've been i think combined represent -- house of representative and sentences more is that women are mobilizing i mean there are more women that are like gaining power and i think that is something that was very optimistic abobout the election day and i think that is something very optimistic for the democratic party i think they should. game that mememento in n tr- to speak more to women who are leaning towards voting for democrats and i think that is the key for twenty twenty having go people go vote and i think the women is a key electorate and the democrats showed yesterday that they can -- appeal to those. groups especially suburban
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women and urban women were key in this about a matthew where they pivotal do you think or were there other groups as well. they're absolutely pivotal aspect especially in these former republican suburbs that you know appear to have gone in the democratic direction and their women played a very important roles for the suburban mom that. you know tends to be conservative but really isn't happy with the way it trump comports himself with the way that. you know he's addressing a lot of the issues of the day and and you know i think turned off by trump's personal style. you're not by his personal style his rhetoric you know obviously the the the some of the the the issues involving women that think the cavanaugh nomination the supreme court nomination that really galvanized a lot of women i think -- to actually go and vote in that clearly played a role here in many people's minds so i think it was a factor to continue to be a factor although at the end of the day -- you know a lot of these races went down similarly to
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the way the two thousand sixteen presidential election went between -- trump and hillary clinton of course i agree if if you were going to give the suburban and urban female voters what would you tell. well far be it from me to give trump advised i don't think he would take advice from a washington post reporter but i think that -- you know obviously -- trump has to make a decision he can continue to govern the style that he has -- which is to be deliberately provocative polarizing to intentionally alienate a lot of people but also win some real die hard fans -- or he can try to reach out and be a more -- bi partisan figure someone who is less abrasive someone who is less interested in attacking and and more interested in -- going for some kind of consensus i don't know that it's in donald trump's dna to to do the latter i think this is a part politician who knows one way of of governing one way o of doing politics. and it's to be abrasive to attack and it's a he's used on his comments yesterday he
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thinks he had a great night on tuesday he thinks that he won and so i don't think there's anything in the results that's necessarily going to change his behavior but he's right isn't. he for the candidates that he barnstorm for most of them didn't fact when so there there was an element of success and how we approach campaigning for the mid terms. the this was an election they didn't go as badly as it could have gone for donald trump i think there are a lot of liberals and democrats in america comfort themselves after. twenty sixteen and said he was just a fluke twenty six what we saw with the results on tuesday was that there is a real polarization in america it continues. and he has a real -- a base of supportrt there he does have to worry though because you saw it in twenty sixteen to blow a hole in the blue in the blue wall this this famous blue wall. he got states like michigan wisconsin pennsylvania the upper midwest states industrial states he won back those rust belt voters and is on tuesday night that
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that -- democrats did very well in those states they won congressional seats they won governorships and so i think he has to be very concerned he can't just hit the other republicans won florida they won some other big statates. but if they losee wisisconsn pennsylvania and michigan it's all over for them in twenty twenty they will but when it i'm a rico when you look at what happened would you call a winner in these elections was of the democrats was that the republicans. i think it's really really hard to pick a winner here smuggled isn't it is it's kind of a mixed bag i mean for the democrats it was clearly a good night because they won back the majority in the house of representatives. they show that there you get the voters out which is so crucial mid term elections but then again -- the the republicans they even. got more seats in the senate so they only had a slight majority in the senate now theyey have a big majority there so. i think. i see the point in terms saying well this was a good night for us because the blue wave that everybody hope for with more left wing it wasn't really a big wave was not crushing the republican party. but then we can win if we
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look at texas i mean possible to think that texas would even. remomotely go to like a democratic candidate and was so close and i think that is where the democratic party control hope from that they're winning back brushed bell states that they get close races in states that have been wrapped. for almost centuries and so i think it's a really mixed bag but i think the democratic party should gain that momentum and should be smart about that but the question is will the democratic party be smart about it. okay are they matthew what do you think will they regroup looking at what happened what do you see the democrats doing moving forward. well i think we're gonna see more of the same again continue to pour money i i think into these areas where they think they have a chance -- our home state of arizona for example these states that appear to be shifting a little bit from the conservative camp towards the democrats some people call them purple states. and you're seeing a very interesting phenomenon in these places where the urban areas are clearly moving
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towards the democrats and in many cases are already pretty solidly blue were as the rural areas -- we remain red remain republican and i think this is going to be the challenge in two years -- because it doesn't matter how many votes you get at the end of the day and a lot of places it matters you know what you get in the electoral college and so this means that the rural areas in the electoral college is very important support. for like was it not to lose sight of that right and and and it's more reflective of the united states sent senate. which trump held here than it is of the house of he said those areas were trump really made a strong effort to campaign for people he won and these were races in many cases where the democrats had very high hopes in florida. in georgia the governor's race in texas as you mentioned and in in arizona and some of those races aren't haven't been called yet there's too close to call but it looks like they're moving towards the republicans the rural urban
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divide. was emphasized by the vote that we saw in the mid mid terms it's almost like there's two different america's there's there were two issues the democrats campaigning. and voting for health care for example and and the republicans and donald trump backing them with the of course -- migration. are we seeing to america's clashing in electoral cycle- yes i believe totally that that is not true and that donald trump is the president who. who wants that and he wants to widen this division and he is not a president who says we need we need to unite i think he wants this polarization i think? of the american society is a society has been as polarized as it can be there is not one single issue guns a women's rights. religion health care where you have to pick a side i mean there's hardly any compromise from the outside it looks like there's no compromise there's no. common ground for compromise it's either or and the political parties. both play that game and i
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think that is deeply troubling because they the the politics try to work together to compromise to reunite a society that has been clearly. divided on a lot of issue okay one of those big issue. is abortion. there was a referendum in iowa the pass and that considers life when the first heart beat. of a fetus can be heard now this is going to clear the path for a supreme court challenge. on abortion is that something terms brought into focus as well abroad panoply of different issues not just migration not just health care but a one is often overlooked abortion for example. well that this is been kind of you know the central issue for many of trump supporters -- you know since the roe versus wade supreme court decisisi in the early seventies whichch legalized abortion and this is the long game that they're playing they wanna put. judges on the supreme court who were going to switch out
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of the roadway there's which they now have the power to do and as you say people forgotten about this issue it's something that's been. at the center of the political agenda for a lot of evangelical christians for example for quite a long timeme and so i i wouldn't e surprised if if this issue - you know keeps coming up and it is something it is a very powerful reason for many people who wouldn't otherwise support trump to vote for him because they say yes. you know i'm an admin evangelical christian i don't like a lot of what he's doing but i know that he's going to choose the kind of judges who are going to overturn. the abortion to really wait and be straight up -- right for life so definitely they're locked down the evangelical christians out. a bowl in the spring. published on the axis news website showed a full 60% of respondents wanted legal. not illegal immigration levels cut now this t the worse to t the us for terms and made it as the center for of his mid term
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barnstorm [inaudible] don't try my grand caravan as a threat to the united states. he says criminals and terrorists a mixed in with the six thousand migrants. and the refugees accounting diseases. we have people coming into the country is trying to come in we're stopping call lot of and we're taking people out of the country you wouldn't believe how bad these people. these are people. these are e animals. drum sound principle campaign promises to get tough on asylum seekers. is to send up to fifteen thousand us troops to stop them. as many as a currently stationed in afghanistan. and they have orders to shoot. now trump saying he wants to abolish the loan guarantees us citizenship to children born in the united states of foreign parents. thousands o of children born to illegal immigrants. are made automatic citizens
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of the u united states. every year because of this crazy lunatic policy. that we can then. nationalism and scaremongering. once again drums going for the doctor with his populist rhetoric. about disease politics of fear. was the president fear mongering. on migration -- yes absolutely i mean it's kind of sad to see how these people that are on track to come to the united states they they kind of he instrument allies them and it was just for him it was just such a lucky thing to happen just. before the mid terms i mean. on a it's heartbreaking for these people but for him it was of course great because he could not like say is migration card you can -- i mean he's anyone like change the birthright citizenship thing i mean that is. part of the amendment of the constitution you cannot just do that but of course he stance. on doing it anyways and i'll
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go to the supreme court to do it and of course i mean that is what is deeply troubling with everything he wants to do. it doesn't have the majority in the halls right now but he still has the power over who becomes a johnson i mean you see that there were two supreme court seats macon while he was president both. were nominated with him from from him with conservative judges and that's by the decision for life i think that is what is troubling me a lot of politics can change but what are you i mean the courts don't because that's like a position for life and he will play. the card over and over again and of course people are afraid and he just like. pushes people to be even more afraid and i think that is -- horrible horrible thing to do but was that griffin a strict con. sin traded more on some of his economic successes i think a lot of house republicans would say yes if you got them caught them in a moment of honesty -- behind closed doors i think that they wanted -- that the republicans to run on their record which actually when you look at
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the economy is it's a very good one the of one of the lowest unemployment rates. inin recent american history you have real wage growth this is an economy that's that's going on all cylinders and i think there were a lot of republicans in the swing districts. would have liked a more unified a less controversial less polarizing message of hate work we're creating jobs were putting money in your pockets. trump doesn't do that kind of politics though he does the polarization he does the inflammamatory andnd so he e focused on immigration and i think it is a real question for a lot of republicans who who lost in the swing districts. are if the message had been one of we've accomplished a lot economically and had not been this deliberately abrasive style of politics what would they still be members of congress today. okay -- massey the republicans would say well the democrats to their own fear mongering we're gonna take away your health care we're gonna make cuts to social security is a qualitative difference between. how the democrats address some issues and how donald
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trump does? yeah i think there is i think that trump you know takes things you know up another level from what has been kind of you know the traditional partisan. politicking if you will and you know certainly h his references to the the caravan and so forth reflect that i don't think that there's any other politician mainstream politician in. recent american history either on the left or the right who would resort to those -- to that kind of rhetoric and that's is part entertainer he's part of a politician in this is the attraction of a lot of people. for a lot of people to him i think also on the left the somebody that people love to hate and he sort of captivated you know the united states and and the world and everybody sort of tuning in. to see what crazy thing he does next and i think this question after this election though is you know how sustainable is it i don't know that his attacks on the migrants for example. that that really works i i think you know we're gonna have to wait and see what the what the data says about that how many people really responded to that because he
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sort of you know. going back to the old themes that you know helped win him the presidency but if thosee are issues that reaeally resonate still isn't clear to me because you know as you said rick and the the democrats did make in roads in these former republican stronghold so. that's gonna worry the republicans up a little bit i mean overall i think that the you know the shift of the house to the democrats can't be that surprising that is if you if you stand back that's the historic norm you know usually that is resident. yeah come in with both houses of congress in the pocket they tend to lose. you know that that the house at the at the at the mid term but you know there are have been presidents whoho despite losing that end up winning a second term that happened you know bill clinton won a second term. barack obama won a second term and they both suffered at the mid term election just like like -- at light like trump has so i wouldn't say this is -- necessarily to negative for trump at the end of the day i think the jury's still out okay what could be negative form though is the firing of jeff sessions now he's made
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a tactical decision here. to protect himself and attack basically -- was that a wise decision and will the democrats graph. up on that and subpoena investigate and make life difficult at that level now after this firing for donald trump. i think absolutely i think ill washington is a very different place now than it was before the election before the election was effectively a one party town republicans controlled -- if the white house in a controlled both houses of congress the democrats now have the house and that makes a big difference that's they they have subpoena power they control those committees. they can basically drive the white house crazy just standing subpoena after subpoena after subpoena and he trump is betting that he can fire jeff sessions and that. there won't be much of f a repercussi for t that maybee the they replacement as attorney general wilill tryo shut down the miller invevestigation which he's e said as a tell telelevision analyst that that is what the administration should d.
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a but i think that you're gonna see a real really strong push back from the house -- side on that the question i think is due any republicans also stand up and say. that's what what trump is doing is wrong and what we if if they try to shut down that investigation that's obstruction of justice were due to republicans state stick with trumpets and stay in lockstep with. with him i think that there's a real potential ultimately for a constitutional crisis here and i think that that's one of the big. big questions to watch over the the coming months every good there's been a lot of concerns expressed in the german king we're facing. as chuck schumer democratic leader was saying of possible constitutional crisis -- when you look at the mid terms and the democrats recapturing the house are you reassured that the american system works [inaudible] well. kind of because everything you said i think it's true i mean the democrats will try
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to to use the regain power in the house of representatives. and i think it's so important for the american political system to have checks and balances in place i mean that's imminent for the system so- i'm i'm happy i'm happy to have seen that yesterday that they regained the power but then again i mean it's like. it's not -- not only the day after you fires jeff sessions and the new congress only comes into session in january so there is. eight weeks to go and we don't know what will happen and everybody always says will. trump cannot fire mahler and he hasn't done so yet but i mean every time we sayay frm cannot do this or that he does it i mean it's so unpredictable and there is still eight weeks where the old congress is doing sessions so. i'm i'm just hoping we make it to generate and then the democratic party can play its role and then we will see checks and balances in place again okay so you're you feel confident that we will see. checks and balances i am
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exerting look at the house victory with the democrats on the way you cover european politics in german politics do you think something that something the german populace and german politicians are. are profoundly welcoming right now. absolutely i think that any check on trump's power is something that that europeans of of all stripes of all political stripes would welcome because they see him. as a loose cannon they see him as dangerous cm is somebody who opposes you know their core values and that is undermining the trans atlantic relationship which has been. key obviously -- to to european security since the second world war so i think anything that day lutes at donald trump's power is something that people heree will - -- will will will look at it very positively but i had you know i think in in it you know people also need to be careful what what what they wish for because as he comes under pressure i think he will become more unpredictable in the sessions thing is. is the first indication of
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that and the risk here is that he does end up. firing a molar or ending the miller investigation and this turns into o a very. partisan issue that he tries to paint the entire russia investigation which you already is doing and has done as a witch hunt but say it's a democratic witch hun. and now they're you know there there's a feeding all of these people and then try to discredit it that way and you know that could happen that could happen very very quickly and it certainly seems that's the direction we're headed. says revell mentioned russia a griffin -- america's adversaries been talking about america's friends right now germany in europe. when you look at russia for example in china do you think they could feel emboldened by a? weakened president now the the republicans lost the house and a feel emboldened to foreign adventures a south china seas. ukraine or are too hot potential flash points right now i think they felt emboldened for a while now i think that they see -- in america that is in
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general weekend on the on the world stage and now you have such deep fractures within the western alliance andhe fact that trump in europe are. at odds with each other the fact that trump is is portraying europe as and in some cases an adversary of the united states which i think is. is you know a complete shock ted to european leaders. for russia and china that's that's a a god send t there therere so. i they they see this as a moment that they can cacapitalize on their trying to capitalize on it they are capitalizing on it. and i think that that that will continue in it it would it would have continued regardless of who had won the election on tuesday. okay double what do you think matthews this is this- are -- calls for concern for going through a necessary process right now of dealing with an increased level of diversity on so many different levels and redefining itself it's a process of national redefinition. well i do think it's a natural evolution i i think that the both the chinese
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and the russians realize though that trumps power in terms of the executive office that he holds and and his decision making power over the military and so forth that hasn't. been diluted he still has the final say on a lot of these crucial issues so if they were to try to do something inn the south chia sesea or in ukukraine i mea. that that's that dynamic is not going to change and i think they realized that but overall i think that this is very good news for america's enemies you know they they like anything that is really disruptive. and certainly the russians this is always you know the the they're they're old dimmick goal is to destabilize the political system as much as possible. and you know we're heading into a situation now with the rush investigation that could be quite chaotic so it's definitely good for people who want to delude america's power. what's your main take away from this mid term election rika. slightly optimistic but i fear that we have.
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to live with from. a little while longer and that it's getting more catholic i i i but i believe thatat as well andnd that te polarization will not stop. anytime soon growth. i i think both parties are going to have to do some hard thinking after this election and for democrats especially they now with the the the race for twenty twenty starts it it started on wednesday is already under way. and there aren't real really clear lessons for which direction they want to go and i'd like to thank all my guests for being with us today for all their comments and input i'd like to thank you as well for being. whipped with quadriga don't forget to join us next week until that i'm brian thomas vital
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