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brent: this is "dw news," live from berlin. tonight, another nailbiter vote in the british parliament. theresa may's government survives a no-confidence vote. just 24 hours ago, the british prime minister's brexit deal was overwhelmingly rejected by parliament. today, she won a confidence vote by a margin of just 19. now she is vowing g to work with lawmakers on both sides of the aisle to make brexit mean brexit. ♪
brent: i'm brent goff. it's good to have you with us. there were nasty names, but no nasty surprises for theresa may today. the british prime minister has survived a no-confidence vote in the u.k. parliament. >> the ayes to the right, 306. the no's to the left, 325. so the no's have it. the no's have it. brent: that vote came just a day after british lawmakers rejected theresa may's brexit deal by a huge majority, the biggest government defeat in the country's modern political history. but many mp's who opposed that deal were not prepared to back the demise of theresa may's government. the prime minister addressed parliament just after the
results of the no-confidence vote. >> i am pleased that this house has expressed its confidence in the government tonight. i do not take this responsibility lightly, and my government will continue its work to increase our prosperity, guarantee our security, and to strengthen our union. and yes, we will also continue to work to deliver on the solemn promise we made to the people of this country to deliver on the result of the referendum and leave the european union. brent: an incredible 24 hours in the political history of the u.k., but also in the political career of theresa may. to talk about that i'm joined here at the big table by o our very own reporter charlotte chelsom-pill. it is good to see you. it is mind-boggling when you think about what theresa may has gone through, what the government has gone through, what parliament has gone through in the last 24 hours. she survived this no-confidence vote tonight. does that mean that she can still govern?
charlotte: many people are asking, especially people internationally watching this unfold in the united kingdom, how is it possible that this prime minister is still standing, given the fact that shlost that vote on her brexit deal yesterday by such an enormous, a historic margin. under any other circumstances she would be out of a job. but no, she keeps on plowing on. and the challenges are still mounting against her. she cannot get support for that brexit deal that she has. it is a compromise. she is trying to walk a fine line between not just those in her own party, but parliament as a whole who are in favor of remain, who think she should have gone much further with her deal and gone for more of a hard brexit, so less alignment with the european union. she has found clearly this line of compromise is not working,
because no one is happy. brent: no one is happy. when you look at the margin of victory tonight, 19 votes. when it came across there was this, gasp, collective in the newsroom. but should we be so surprised? we expected her to survive. we did not expect a big margin, did we? charlotte: it does not seem like a lot, but of course the opposition were going to vote against her. they clearly think that they can do a better job. there are a lot of them, they voted against her. what this does show is a lot of her own mp's within her own party, they voted for her. you could have argued that was not necessarily a guarantee because they showed yesterday in overwhelming numbers they do not like her deal. what we also saw as the party propping her up in government, they said they were going to vote for her today. they also hate her deal. brent: they voted against the deal. charlotte: a lot of them, correct. it just goes to show that mamaye it is not theresa may that everybody has a problem with, it is her brexit deal. brent: and because of that she
is meeting with leaders of all the parties tonight, we understand, and trying to find common ground. so that is what she is going to do at home. she also has to take whatever they canan agree to and presentt to the european union in brussels, doesn't she? charlotte: yeah. the european union has made clear it thinks that theresa may's deal is the best possible compromise. so a lot of people are now asking the question, what is her next move? she has ruled out in the last 24 hours, once again, that she does not want to make any major changes to her deal. for example, it has been suggested that she could go towards a softer brexit. that would mean for example, having the u.k. staying inside the customs union, the trading union from the european union. she has ruled that out. and of course if she were to go for that option, that would involve a major renegotiation with the european union. that is nothing to say that perhaps they may be in favor of a softer brexit that they would
not go for it, but it means that time is running out now for a deal to be struck. it is just 10 weeks before the united kingdom leaves the european union. they need to have a deal or they are just simply going to crash out without one. brent: there has been at least one report this evening that the european union is signaling that it is prepared to delay brexit until 2020. we cannot confirm that, there is only one report of that, but that report is out there. is that where we are headed this week, maybe her asking for a delay? mah 29 is around t the corner. charlotte: there has been speculation growing that the u.k.'s exit from the european union will be delayed. let me just give you an idea of how that would work exactly. the united kingdom would have to ask for that to happen, and then all 27 remaining members of the
european union would have to then agree to it. if it was for the right reasons, there have been signals that the european union would agree to do that. and just with that deadline for the u.k. leaving the european union getting so close, and the dangers that are involved in a no deal for both the european union and the united kingdom, it does look like that could be where we are headed. brent: let's take the story now to london. our barbara wesel is standing by, as she has been doing for the past couple of evenings. good evening to you, barbara. this was a close result, this no-confidence vote. how does it look from where you are standing tonight? barbara: it shows that of course it happened, what we expected, that theresa may's own party would sort of rally and pull everybody together and say, "ok, we want her still in government." because what it means, had they not done that, they would have lost power probably, because it is not certain they would win the next election if there were to be one.
so, this was just a simple self-preservation that prevailed this evening. and it is not really about theresa may, it is about staying in government. it is about the tories sort of keeping their hold on power, and they are absolutely willing under all circumstances to do that. and that is the only reason that they keep on sort of protecting and carrying and guarding theresa may in office, because there is nobody else who wants to dirty their hands at the moment with the problematic situation. so she is safe, more or less. and even if she cannot really move much, even if she is incredibly weak and baffled and cannot really go forward, the tories will still keep her in office just to guard power. brent: and barbara, immediately after the results were announced of this no-confidence vote, the head of labour, jeremy corbyn, he drew a line in the sand and said he wanted the prime minister to guarantee that a no deal brexit is off the table. is that something that she is
going to be able to do? barbara: no, of course she cannot because how can she do that? because she is still caught in this sort of circle of not having a majority in parliament for her deal on the one side, and not being willing to alter and change her deal substantially on the other side. so how can she do that? however, we know that one of the tory rainderers, one of the pro-european tories is going to table a motion next monday when theresa may is expected back in parliament with her so-called plan b. and that will then ask the house, "would you vote down a no deal? would you say that we do not want a no deal?" and there might very well be a majority for that. so parliament is moving in that direction and theresa may will have to follow, of course. brent: what about moving in the direction of a second brexit
referendum? are we closer to that now? theresa may, she definitely looks like a weaker leader even after surviving this no-confidence vote. she has been known to change her mind before. barbara: she changes her mind once she finally gets to the point where she feels that banging her head against the wall does not make sense anymore. so, she might in fact get to that, maybe in february, maybe a bit later. it will not be very soon. as some observers here in london say, yes, britain has come closer to a second referendum. others are still skeptical and say the tories still have some room for maneuver. and there are still some possibilities to wiggle out of the situation and keep brexit guarded. if the european union in fact gives britain more time than just the three months that basically seem to be on offer
immediately, then of course the chances for a second referendum get lower because then, of course, government and parliament have so many more months to run in circles and to debate what they want and what they do not want so that the pressure is off, and it would be sort of further in the future. so we will see how that plays out. no prognosis from this point in time from london. brent: well you know, history does like to repeat itself. barbara wesel on the story for us in london and charlotte chelsom-pill here at the big table. to both of you, thank you. brexit has been dominating politics in the u.k. for the last two years. there's not much time left for people's everyday problems like jobs, health care, education. and that is making many people feel fed up with the brexit process. reporter: every day, abdul stacks up the newspapers in his small london kiosk and every day he gets more and more frustrated with the headlines.
>> each and every day if you see everybody in their mind, brexit, brexit, brexit. what is brexit? why? why when people are suffering? everybody, everything in mind first when you wake up, brexit. when you sleep, brexit. reporter: for london, the chaos at westminster has become business as usual. on tuesday, the rejection of theresa may's brexit deal. today, a vote of no-confidence against the prime minister. >> for me, it is driving me crazy. get on with it, do it, sort it out. and let's do what the vote said. >> i think everything is a bit of a mess at the minute. make a decision one way or the other and let everyone know what they are doing. it has gone on far too long and is confusing more and more people, especially myself. >> people are uncertain, unhappy. people of all ages, all generations, all parties, all thoughts and beliefs are unhappy and uncertain. we need more certainty and decision-making.
reporter: it is this uncertainty which threatens abdul's small businessss. most of the products in the shop come from eurorope. withth brexit, h he expects sers problems. >> all the businesses are suffering because if you know exactly will happen with a brexit -- either do it, either do not do it. that is how it should be. rereporter: for now, abdul h hao wait. after all, there is only one thing he can rely on. another day, anotherer brexit headline. brent: we are a long way from being finished with brexit. the developments in london are being watched with interest in amazement in brussels. 72 days to go until brexit and the british parliament is still arguing about what kind of brexit it wants. let's take the story now to our own georg matthes, who joins us now from brussels. good evening to you, georg. i am going to throw this at you, georg. have you heard from your sources there about an appointment, a meeting scheduled with theresa
may later this week? georg: brent, you have mentioned interest and amazement, and let me add quite a bit of frustration to that. i have not heard that there will be an extension until 2020, and frankly i find that rather unlikely. so, i think that is one of those rumors that really is not going to fly. if there will be an extension for a brexit, a brexit delay, i think we're looking at a couple of weeks, possibly months, midsummer. otherwise it will endanger the european elections that are upcoming for the european parliament. brent: is it the consensus in brussels tonight that theresa may is goio come knonocking on the door sometime this week to get some badly needed adjustments to this agreement? georg: i have heard from some sources that they were nervous
about a plane that was ready to fly already yesterday evening. i think there is an expectation. the chief brexit negotiator has said, look, we are ready for renegotiations. not saying we will shift all the red lines. the german chancellor has said there is time for those renegotiations. i think what they mean is of cour s's welcome to talalk about this, because let's face it, brexit, a hard brexit would have such a devastating consequence that it would be madness to say this is a deal, take it or leave it, we will not talk anymore. so of course brussels is open for renegotiations, but that does not mean there is a lot of concessions waiting for theresa may if and when she would come. brent: our correspondent georg matthes giving us the view from brussels. we will be back to talk with you later in the day, georg. thank you. many pro-brexit conservatives voted against theresa may's deal for leaving the eu yesterday,
but today they backed her in the no-confidence vote to avoid an election that could d bring aa left-wing labour government to power. dw correspondent barbara wesel has been speaking with one of the most outspoken brexiteers, a former junior brexit minister, steve baker. barbara: steve, a group of conservatives, in common parlance, the brexiteers, helped vote down theresa may's deal on tuesday evening. now the country seems to be in crisis, or at least the government in crisis, parliament in crisis. what is next? >> we have set out how to achieve a deal with the european union. what they -- a comprehensive free-trade agreement, no tariffs , a range of other areas of cooperation. that is what we want. people often mischaracterize us. we are people who would prefer
to leave with an agreement of the kind the eu offered us. but if we cannot get that agreement we have to be ready to leave on wta terms. i hope you don't mind me saying that since i have resigned from the government i have said time and again this deal would not go through parliament and the result would be a crisis. so in a sense i am very sorry we have reached this point, but the government was warned this would not work. barbara: so what you're saying is theresa may was warned and decided to carry on regardless. should she have looked for majorities much earlier in this process? >> yes, of course. i sat there as a minister in the department for exiting the european union and all of us told officiaials we need to go r a free trade agreement-based brexit. a few weeks later president tusk offered a matching agreement. let's have an advanced fta. it is a matter of record, it has been explained several times that officials and the prime ministers worked on a different plan that came out at checkers. this is why davis and i resigned. i'm afraid this is a catalog of errors trying to deliver a relationship, something like the
european economic area plus something like the customs union. i'm afraid conservatives who want to govern our own country outside the eu, however much we may wish to be friends, we wish to govern our own country outside the eu. so, you know, it is not the relationship we were ever going to vote for. so, this is why we are in this period of crisis i'm afraid and i hope we can resolve it as soon as possible. barbara: theresa may pursued something that was impossible anyway because checkers was not on from the side of the eu. they said they would not want it and said it was cherry picking, which was not on offer. so now you come with this plan and say, can you step back in time? you would need much more time. the eu would not do this overnight. i mean, that is a long negotiating process. what you are basicly aing r is to go back to zero and start again. >> we are absolutely not asking to go back to zero. again, people say we are uncompromising, that is not true. i would encourage people to download t this plan and read i. this plan sets out the changes we would want in a withdrawal
agreement. so no, we have engaged with serious people to try and be constructive. we would like to hand the european union the solution to the irish border problem, so we can rescue the agreement, agree to pay the financial settlement, linking it to progress on the free trade agreement, which was offered to the u.k. we are trying to be reonable. honoring citizens' rights we need to do anyway, either in accordance with the agreement or unilaterally. we are trying to be reasonable and do the right thing but what we cannot agree to is a position of being indefinitely locked into a european union in which the british people choose to leave. barbara: sorry to puncture this particular balloon, there is no agreement on a free trade agreement with the eu within two months, three months, four months. that is going to take time, period. don't you believe that? >> i am very clear that if we leave with a set of withdrawal agreements we should still ask for an implementation period and negotiate the free trade agreement in that time. but we have to be very careful how we pososition the difficulty
or otherwise of these negotiations. it is on all of our interest to reach a restriction-free agreement and we are in a position of complete harmonization in the relevant areas. if there is good will and we take the presidents -- precedence of the agreements the eu has, especially with canada and japan, i believe it is eminently possible, particularly, if you forgive me saying, germany heading into techcarecen, france has its own difficulties, italy too. we need to help one another. we voted to leave. we should go and we should go into an agreement. so i think if we can rescue the withdrawal agreement by putting in place a permanent and compliant and invisible solution for ireland, which we are ready for table, and negotiate a free trade agreement which works for us all during the implementation period, then we can exit with an agreement in place. barbara: ok, thank you very much. brent: back here in studio three, the brexit fallout continues with helena. helena:'m raid so. essentially the city of london is just bleeding jobs right now. more and more european banks
announcing their plans to move those positions out of london, moving them to other financial centers. even if brexit hasn't actually happened yet, it is certainly having a very real impact on the world of banking. once britain has officially left the european union, london-east banks will the longer be able to conduct operations with eu ones without being subject to a host of other regulations. one reason why frankfurt has made itswnwn video l looking to trtract those e fleeing the bret financial fallout. >> nice to meet you. my name is furt. frankfurt. >> frankfurt? oh, i have heard of you. rereporter: ththis video was pod online several months ago. it is aimed at the family of the brexit uprooted banker who is not so keen on moving away from a world-class city like london. the british capital is europe's finance center and home to some of the world's biggest
banks. but to keep doing business with the eu, they will have to be located in the bc,nd that means more than just a shingle on a door or a mailbox, at least according to european regulators. it means moving personnel and capital. about 40 banks have already received a license in an eu city. a few of them went to dublin, some to luxembourg, and others to paris. but the vast majority, around three-quarters, to frankfurt. >> i am starting to actually believe you. what about serious business? >> you are not e easily convinc. >> you better believe it. reporter: frankfurt is talking about 10,000 brexit-related positions moving over. things could get tight in the banking quarter, but the outlook for doing business in the eu still looks better there than from london. helena: here with me in the studio is andreas krautscheid, the ceo of the association of german banks. glad you could join us.
your association has called the defeat of may's deal, quote, a serious warning shot for everyone involved. what exactly do you mean by that? andreas: it is a large warning shot because time is running out to be prepared for a ndeal brexit situation because this is the worst situation we can imagine. because there's a lot of transfer of data, a lot of services for customers of german banks done in london. that means over the last months there has to be a very hard execution on how these services could be provided in the situation of a no deal brexit. this is very serious and it could be very dangerous if you are not prepared. helena: so what you are saying essentially is german banks have already been preparing for the eventuality of absolutely no deal. i mean, how strenuous has that been? andreas: no deal means that there is no longer a legal basis for all the services done on the passporting agreement, meaning you do not need any additional
licenses for what you are doing in london. we went through all these operations with thousands of people to find out if it is no longer a legal basis like passporting, is there need for additional licenses. the german parliament will pass this week additional laws which entitle banks to go on with their operations, but on a preliminary basis. and it is very important that the supervisors for banks in london and in frankfurt know exactly what is going on. they are observing very concretely what is happening. helena: but break this down for me. we're not talking about a massive move of money. we're talking about potentially moving money from london to germany, for example. i am a brit, of course i do banking in different countries. how difficult would it be for people like me to move money? how difficult would it be even just for businesses to operate without a clear deal? andreas: it isis a good example.
we want to do everything, and there is no break. our customers should realize there is a change. but you haveve to prepare a lotf things. transfer of data, of new licensing and so on, so all ese erations c c move forward. in this moment and these days there is an enormous transfer of capital not only to frankfurt, but to paris, dublin. because all the international banks who cannot rely anymore on the existing passporting framework, they bring out people and their operations to the continenent and itit will bring money y to the continent to be able to serve the clients the same they do currently. helena: andreas krautscheid, ceo of the association of german banks, good to have your view. thank you. to another brexit effect, brexit is likely to interrupt the flow of pharmaceuticals between the u.k. and the eu, potentially
causing shortages. that is the one from the german pharmaceutical groups including the vci chemical industry association, which called once again for a transition plan after wednesday's failed brexit vote in london. close to one billion packs of medication move every year and every fourth medication in the eu comes from the u.k. the german health h ministry sad it did not expect shortages but the u.k. has urged drug companies to stockpile sixeeeeks worth of medications. and we have to say what a day for european parliament to be holding its first session of 2019, as the brits wreak havok over brexit. representatives today have been celebrating this year's 20th anniversary of europe's common currency with the so-called anthem of europe. take a listen. ♪
lena: and a miminder nowf the top story we're following for you. british prime minister theresa may has seen off a bid to topple her government. the no-confidence motion was tabled by the opposition labour party after lawmakers rejected her brexit plan yesterday. may's conservative government won the vote by a narrow margin of 19. you're watching "dw news" from berlin. brent goff will be back very soon to take you through "the day." stay with us. ♪ [captioning performed by the national captioning institute, which is responsible for its caption content and accuracy. visit ncicap.org]
capital of israel . thank you very much for being with uss. theresa may survive devotedd no confidence in the british parliament the results was three engine six to three hundred and twenty five which makes a winning majority of just. nineteen emotional confidence tabable by the opposition leader jeremy corbyn immediately after the humiliatating rejejection. mrs mays brexit deal by lawmakers last night the uk prime minister remains under great pressure then. over breaks at the statart defeat of that breaks the bill on tuesday housese