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tv   Quadriga - The International Talk Show  LINKTV  March 3, 2019 10:30pm-11:01pm PST

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hello to very warm welcome indeed to quadriga coming to you from the home of berlin and this week the focus is on the eagerly awaited second meeting. between us president donald trump and north korean leader kim jong il and it had been hoped that the summit in the vietnamese capital hanoi. would use the promise of economic development to build on the historic first meeting in singapore. but the summit finished earlier than planned off to the two leaders failed to bridge their a new joint statement was signed it seems that for the time being the hope of trading concessions. on economic sanctions for
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concrete denuclearize ation measures will not be realized. so -- question on quadriga this week is. no deal in hanoi won't next for kim. by dr jim hill new york joan from the institute of korean studies at berlin's for university. decides no more talk of war instead it's time for the us to show that it's also willing to take irreversible steps. towards peace for all future generations. also with. cash from full fat and journalist who writes for the los angeles times. he's that's talking is better than testing trump deserves credit for convincing north korea to at least temporarily stop testing nuclear weapons and firing missiles. and a warm welcome to to jerry chan hong kong born journalist currently with george about a social media and asia tasks.
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she argues that china is supportive of more us north korea interaction. as long. as they don't get too cozy with each other does look is what's going to happen for the time being to thank you. all three for being in our own country get today i'd like to begin with you engine john yang- let me ask you what your responses to the true dramatic developments in hanoi. well obviously the the lot the last night i was -- and full of expectation a whole. however when i woke up in the morning at all and we immediately found. myself off a first -- eighty eight however obviously yeah peas seems to need more patience and time. although we've been waiting for seventy years so far and on the korean peninsula so long time frame you said you you had to expectations on hope could you describe those expectations. well basically -- in -- you know the news korea --
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is still last year shows that they are. the specially the leader kim jong when -- shows his form will. to some process for for the the the tradition -- so last year they shut down and was a leader and exploded out one of the you could have test the site and was there. the expected yet nice states government is busy trump government -- who do some progressives step forward of specially the arms you know? at the for the demands of north korea and yeah. request for the next steps away very didn't happen -- so that's why i was frustrated in the morning turn your noting- no actually i think that's from the china side china's point of view they didn't expect that any agreement all peace due to be reaching the summit --
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like before the summit happened actually already said that -- they know that at the new transition process is a really slow process and it cannot be reached with just one step and so they didn't really have a lot of expectation but and they i think china is rather disappointed by -- not have things sanctions all possibly. posso sanctions lived on north korea because i think china's concern that the biggest concern of china is the economic development on north korea. when you talk about china are you talking about the from a social media perspective yeah of what i was talking about is the voice of the chinese media they don't tend to stay media? but and about the chinese public actually -- they also don't think that it would be such a remarkable summit and they wear off to after these. talks break down at people on social media they were saying that like a we know that this is a political show and it's just a
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comedy and we laughing about it. the political show a comedy eric or a major setback for the us president well three but i don't think it's a set back at all i mean. i think the expectations were probably a bit too high -- driven by trump himself yeah but he was trying to scale down my thing is in no rush but at least they're talking i mean let's roll back the clock to a year and a half ago. fire in fury he talking about rocket man -- rocket missile tests recent towards towards guam it was a really tense moment and my buttons bigger than your button there is only a year and a half ago. another sitting down and talking and okay didn't come up with a great deal today or whatever but at least going to keep talking so i think -- to call it a failure is wrong trump didn't get away giveaway to that was definitely a fearful anything this time right. well there might be some diplomatic relations opened up and their green continue to talking but there was a real
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fear after the singapore summit in june the trump would give away too much that he would. reduce sanctions before north korea was really willing to give up nuclear weapons and that's the key to the whole thing and there's there's relief in the united states right now among people who follow this closely that he did not go too far. but i'm the americans a bit disappointed that compared to the first summit dates. essentially no change and no progress at all because it's like a the fi and theory is like as you say at one and a half year goal but then after the singapore summit i think the americans all people in the world they are. expecting law coming out from their expectations and it was a euphoria about that and it was a remarkable situation when. trump was suddenly calling in this friend and things like that means maybe not a good idea to be called. a friend by trump we know what happened michael cohen and other people have been his friend. but at least they were talking at least north korea was not testing. rockets anymore wasn't testing missiles wasn't wasn't what i'd
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put a freeze to that and that was a really positive thing i think. most americans even americans who don't really like trump recognize this was a pretty important thing any. he succeeded in areas where presidents from clinton to obama to bush. we're not able to succeed he got north korea talking and seriously i happen to have the pleasure of trying to cover a summit in early nineties right see. for days on end nobody would say anything to us these were sort of low level talks north korea was not talking at all then and now at least they're talking. they're looking for ways forward surgeon the world his rights led by donald trump to invest trust in the north korean leader. yeah there's definitely -- i definitely agree with. the comments on the protesters as of these drastic to progress and and i no i understand that - you know here you robert so either if it's in the united states well did people distrust
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the trump fight and also i i i just briefly -- took a look at the news media says that does the gym german was watching or maybe i thought these media about all the michael plans testimony -- and then it was quiet or so disappointed and a with the whole the mike my clients expect me to see if that can do one or so started a little bit in a dollar. out about the sincerity of tom - from side. so however. expect that in all the especially the trump administration -- two more -- reliable and trust full steps at the elite actually we can you can do that and she must into that -- so now. is the old. how game seems -- to goes on to the truck side however also north korean -- governments busily at chairman
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team who -- definitely do its best to make more progress. in the near future do you think he was expecting too much do you think he really thought trump was going to say okay. we're gonna lift the sanctions i mean no no no actually -- you know -- i don't know i i i don't i don'. deep understand his side intention however and eyes in jeans in korea -- we expected at least you know there's some partial reduction pas how it -- definitely the easement of the chrome extensions by there their willingness. to the process of doing gradation last year. and were sold in this is actually -- you know you've reached the worst of all of them until it made. landfall dave or if they want to focus on economic development i'm much more than the military- billing so so this is i think
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it's obvious we we we understand this is the north koreans are formed a decision soul is now actually a trump government and at these units that's it. in general most the soul there there was interesting building up this peace process and korean peninsula okay. more like a second the summit in hanoi that with the one thing i think we can agree on brought together two very unusual leaders in donald trump and kim jong on all of the two i think less is perhaps known about the north korean supreme leader. and before i ask our guests will they can tell us about came here are some brief impressions. in june and was given a spectacular send off as pyongyang for the summits. he says any enjoys these kinds of events. whether it's military parades all nuclear weapons tests. this is kim came to power in twenty eleven he's been a thorn in the side of the united state. but north korea's economy is in
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a shambles due in large part to international sanctions. kim has built to get the economy moving. april twenty eighteen kim at south korea's president moon to him for the first inter korean summit in eleven years. in june can travel to singapore for a summit meeting with us president donald trump. bus made only vague promises about denuclearization. what can we expect from kim at the her noise summit? what can we expect in the immediate aftermath of the hanoi cement and i suppose that cherry just tell us get tell us the? the one thing we need to know what i need to know to understand came better -- i thinking joan is seen at least in the region -- he's the second youngest. stately the in the world and that people in the region see him as very progressive combat and needs to his father and his grandfather. and day -- would expect --
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from kim jones and because he also studied the brawl when he was yeah and he had some international experience. came a progressive leader is not the way he is seen in south korea as well actually note. i i think it's definitely south korea actually all yeah since the all. the so the inter korean summit the last year -- as oscar people came. to think and at the same time she'll lady a stabilize these one power in the country. soul -- yeah and then -- the people changed -- changed their perspective on the team's owner lock actually. it's more of an positive thahan negative it's interesting we talk a lot about the put the chemistry between donald trump and and kim what about between kim and president -- moon yeah yeah obviously -- since that they ladies to what is really close -- mutual relationship in old south
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korea is the need. to improve the militias normalize relations with that north korea otherwise you know there's a temp domestic problems in south korea economic problems in or so was the people's minds that in all. this in total internal conflicts within south korea so and i was as good people especially the it really is appreciated and respected uses. the president won't really tried to from the united states and don't force international society particularly europe and in germany in all. things the these impala normalizes process not possible. where is can likely to go next eric? on the train back. to me and the fact that it would take a train is interesting enough to take it right well. it does have a plan that's probably flew to singapore to china plane because there is a governmentnt plane is sixty yeas old and and missing some spare part. that says a lot about the situation north korea it
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economically as it did the show mention the program mention in shambles. kim is the one under pressure he needs to bring something home he's got to get out. there within the career because to me is coming from. from way down deep -- from the from the urban power it'll be. everybody i mean a lot of the people a lot of the elites in the government have been abroad right the thirty to forty year old studied abroad have been abroad have been to singapore wherever. they see that there's a world out there they can see what kind of the the whole -- the whole kurt north korean media that was following the summit in vietnam they would not have missed that vietnam is a flourishing country right now vietnam was on was destroyed after the vietnam war vietnam was poor. the north korea north korea was helping vietnam vietnam and united states i had a very rough relationship but they're great friends now. trump was trying to send these taxes m messages look north kora look what could happen to you he was saying that every other. every other minute as well this is the potential for north korea what happened vietnam look at
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that and i definitely we do and then i like you mention about his train trip. sexually so so it means a lot to the exercise group people as well you know south korea and like. for more are divided germany the inter korean border is or is not gonna trouble at all there's no interactions -- endorses oscar there's a national security really really for beating people prohibit people. from south korea to travel to north korea without any permission from south korea government but now and then so is us chris like a island. if you wanted to go abroad you have to take it -- l. plan on so now they found that if you. if you feed normalized relations with korea but we we have a lady di -- the train rail racer is connected between -- between north korea south korea and then was the open borders open we can travel people can imagine can travel to our north korea. to china middle east asia
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viaa seth previously the island mindset so it's okay so this is a very symbolic action. on you to try this trend trip or so -- brings to these are sort of the korean people's mindset. and at the same time you know vietnam -- definitely historically historically. the similarity between north and south korea might so dispatcher they wore there was war between vietnam and united states and north korea and the united states. and vietnam on claim that they won the war against the united states and north korea seoul claim that they want. are these crammed war against the united states so i needed sametime vietnam's disincentives to maintain a sort of some sort of a social is the system right. so this is like a baby chinese model pun intended to open a store now north korea is very interesting vietnam's model for their economic growth. i just want to go back to your point about the check right actually it's it's a very big
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talking point in on chinese social media. and first of all the chinese people they're really proud that light came is taking this train ride across the whole china not the whole ten of a like a really long way in china. and i ten ahead is responsible for pro because like when they passed through at past i can't people. and they cannot take the train on time and then i saw some videos and pictures of people taking that about this training and then saying that like a complaining about it basically and yeah. okay as we've already seen the first meeting between the two leaders trump and kim took plac- eight months ago in singapore this time the vietnamese vietnamese capital hanoi provided as we've been hearing the backdrop for the summit. and that was widely viewed as important because there are many who believe the viet nam's booming economy could provide a
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model. a template for similar economic growth in north korea we'll talk about that in just a second. after these images. luxury because many factors in vietnam a sign of a booming economy. gross domestic product is growing at an annual rate of about 6%. more more people can now afford toto buy a calm. skyscrapers seem to be going up everywhere. annoying has become a city that's open for business twenty four hours a day consumer spending is high. vietnam's economy is a mix of communism and capitalism. the communist party still rules the country with an iron hand bus a recent poll indicated that most people approve of the country's free market system. vietnam is rapidly becoming a southeast asian economic powerhouse. could north korean lynn from vietnam's experience. tennis is said that the the north korean authorities have
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made it their business to study the the vietnamese model that we just been hearing about the doorway more models it's cold. so what will they have loans and we would do well that was just a is today view it as a viable model for north korea's future. well it to be honest actually allows to us us could experts are those that it on standing about. the pot possibility it was grand not. is a starting point but the you know the historical similarities and also the probably or some of the things neurologist vietnam - vietnam's government was very successful -- the track more for investments now japan and south korea is the number one and two investing a lot of factories and was the development development. the projects in vietnam so -- innocence like -- now the previously divided and under under rented a save your
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sleep symbol of place which is a vietnam -- innocence at these older so the people and in vietnam is on been honest people was a pretty much- i think we're displaying unisys like at end of their personality at the same time there. sincere redeemable in your key similarities. if you don't want in a million. it's come from the german perspective cherry the the the this is the sense that. the the economic model or from vietnam. for donald trump was an incentive that he was offering to the to the to north career in saying this is what you could catch and he actually sent them. to he said that the north korean leader could remain in power and could be the man who enforces it were. how troubled should we be as a second from a german dispatching rescue people tend to sort of moral it's quite a lot? yeah how troubled should we be that -- that this is a despot to dictate to
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that this offer is being bank -- to i don't think this is a big concern for trunk that that he is a dictator. is that the data and i think -- he wants to really provide this incentive for north korea to open its. economy first and then we can see like he can see off of that how the country develops and i think it's actually quite attractive for north korea to learn from vietnam because vietnam managed to same time. and hold on to is political power is basically still one potty. one party state and i think north korea will be the one to the very attractive option for north korea yeah. north korea but then not from. other parts of the well we still talking here about -- i will talk about north korea and south korea we talking possibly in the future about united korea. it's hard to imagine the united korea i think yeah crea as south korea studied the german unification of the model and wow
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it's expensive and i think they're a bit. freaked out about that i i don't know i don't i don't hear any talk of creed unification the sort of a pipe dream from people who don't. live in the region or but it's a very expensive thing in german unification is still a work in progress in. june yeah of obviously -- you know the tererm it's arminis korean peninsula share a simila- this is the moment however determine if he's not. on undergo us if you're into in a civil war between east and west valley -- east and west germany in awhile knows as us korea the rent is still art and then a based on this experience are some of the emotional. on emotional sentiment emotiona- sentiment is still strongg in south korea however -- and then -- the economy perspective on dc unification i think is is still
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a thing is still much to be criticized as well as obviously young people in south korea concern about these money in how much money they have. to pay for the whole of the process of unification however we we believe there is more advantages advantages -- do. the normal in normalizing the relationship. dan maintaining this division in all we have to pay a lot a voice to texas for the military weapons. and or some was a young people most especially south man of code of military service right. and this is also a lot of it in cost on this is a problem for many states to the united states is spending a lot of money. treasured defending south korea and this is. one o of the motitivations of trump to get american forces out of there. but the nuclear denuclearization has to happen first okay when you talk about that eric what what what's on the to do list for trump and came in the next - they've had eight months they've made some progress we've got a bit of a cop situation now what's what's on the to do list and for the immediate future most likely the preparation that they did not do for the hanoi
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summit. should start having the underlings work on some professional -- that's that's what people are saying -- and i think for it to succeed i think north korea is going to have to give up. all of its nuclear weapons or it's gonna have to make some big steps these have been opened up its nuclear weapons this is the big call out a small bottle fool is doing what first so north korea is looking at the us and they want all the sanctions to believe. and the us is looking at north korea and they want to complete the name reservation so who is going to take the first step. and i think from the signal for some trump has treated kim like- equal the world leader something he never had before so i think trump is strategy is to treat him like a world leader that's that's trumps took the first step. nuke north korea has to deliver has to get rid of its nuclear weapons out from my face into a steak point of view to look at this -- came has stopped nuclear testing for like a little just good yeah
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subtlety months yeah you can also said that he took the first step. helplessly on definitely -- isn't from celebrity right in this is a pretty conservative permanently to deal with a cold- the chairman came as is on like a friends like -- but it seems the north korea was the one with his this is the first novelization [inaudible] however whenever the region changed their policy in most grandpas is only for some change always change so that's why there's a some problems. building trust trust trust. relationship. and i'm not going to break you off to go to the end of the program thank you all three for being in our country today great stuff really fascinating discussion.
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trump and kim what makes a spin off topic this week. thanks for joining us bye bye interest
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