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[captioning made possible by democracy now!] y: from new york, this is democracy now! >> i think democrats win when we run on wheeled solutions, not impossible promises. notn real solutions, impossible promises. >> i don't understand d why anybody goes to the trouble of running for president of the united states just to talk about what we really cannot do and should not fight for. amy: in the second's democratic
debate, elizabeth warren and bernie sanders clash with their moderate rivals on how to beat president trump as well as on economics, immigration, health care, and more. >> covers all health care needs for senior citizens, it will finally include dental care, hearing aids, and eyeglasses. second of all -- >> you don't know that, bernie. >> i do know that. i wrote the damn bill. amy: we will air highlights and get response from journalist ssan, erika andiola, and michigan gubernatorial candidate abdul else i you. welcome to democracy now!, democracynow.org, the war and peace report. i'm amy goodman. 10 candidates vying for the 2020 democratic nomination took the stage in detroit last night in the first of a two-night cnn hosted debate. the evening was billed as the first showdown between the two
leading progressives, senators bernie sanders and elizabeth warren, but they agreed on all major issues and instead fended off criticism from the more moderate candidates in the race. jake tapper asked bernie sanders to respond to former congress member john delaney's assertion that sanders' cornerstone health care proposal, medicare for all, which seeks to offer free public health care for all americans, was bad policy. right now we have a dysfunctional health care system , 87 million undershooting -- uninsured or underinsured, 500,000 americans going bankrupt because of medical bills, 30,000 people dying while the health-care industry makes tens of billions of dollars in profits. amy: senator elizabeth warren, who also supports medicare for all, how did her progressive track record, taking on wall street. she rubbed her hands together when host don lemmon noted that
her proposal for imposing 2% tax on the ultra-wealthy would include john delaney's $65 million personal fortune. she also urged emigrants not to act out of fear in the upcoming elections. not choose a candidate we do not believe in jujust because we e are too scad to do anything else. we cannot ask other people to vote for a candidate we do not believe in. democrats win when we figure out what is right and we get out there and fight for it. indiana, mayor, pete buttigieg meanwhile question why democrats were reluctant to implement major structural reforms that would reshape voting laws or the supreme court. i proposed structural reforms that might make a difference, amend the electoral college, have d.c. actual be a state and depoliticize the supreme court, people look at me funny as if
this country were incapable of structural reform. is anybody think we are going to overtatake citizens united witht constitutional action? this is a country that changed its constitution so you could not drink, then changed it back because we changed our minds about it. you're telling me we cannot reform democracy in our time? amy: on foreign policy, sanders and buttigieg called for an end to the afghan war. "what we need is a foreign that focuses on diplomacy and not by killing each other, as presidents of the united states all go to the united nations and not denigrate it. after headlines, a roundtable was hosted. rallied aheadsts of last night plus debate, calling on presidential 48217, which visit refers to the zip code for southwest detroit, a low income area, one of the hardest hit by
fossil fuel pollution. detroit congress member rashida labor unions and community activists as they marched to demand a green new deal. this is pamela owens-moore, a member of seiu local one. >> we cannot win. our neighborhoods are struggling. if our water is undrinkable, if our families are unhappy, our homes are affected by extreme weather events. i am a janititor, and most off these -- i want the city to know this. itake out your garbage, but ain't none of your -- -- but i ain't none of your trash. amy: north korea l launched two short range ballllistic missile, according to report some south korea, the second time in less than a week that north korea has tested weapons in a move that south korean say is counterproductive to easing tensions on the peninsula.
the u.s. and sououth korea are preparing for joint war games next month. meanwhile, the u.s. says it is hoping more denuclearization talks with north korea will take place soon, following trump's vow to resume negotiationsns during his trip to meet with kim jong-un at the demilitarized zone less month. amnesty international is calling on egypt to end cruel and inhumane conditions at cairo's al-aqrab prison where 130 detainees have been on a mass hunger strike for over six weeks. any of the prisoners have not been allowed visitation with families or lawyers in more than two years since their arrest. according to amnesty international, two family members interviewed said that even when they had official authorization, prison officials refused to allow the visit to move forward. on theed spotlight horrific conditions faced by prisoners in egypt. morsi had been imprisoned at alla grub for six years --- at
aqrab for six years. general john hyten, president trump's nominee to be the next vice chair of the joint chiefs of staff, face questioning by senators on the armed services committee tuesday. he has been accused by colonel kathryn spletstoser, of making nonconsensual sexual contact with her including on a work trip in 2016, when she alleges he forcibly kissed her and rubbed against her body until he ejaculated. he has denied the allegations. arizona republican senator martha mcsally, who earlier this year shared her story of b being raped while serving in the militatary, dedefendant john hy. iowa republican senator joni ernst, who this yeyear revealed she was raped when she was a college student, expressed doubts about his dutchman and questioned why he reprimanded his accuser. after the hearing, colonel spletstoser told reporters that john hyten had lied under oath. senators elizabeth warren
kirsten gillibrand have called for the colonel to testify publicly before moving ahead with a confirmation vote. virginia, a state delegate disrupted a speech by president, protesting his racist and anti-immigrant policies amid the ongoing outrage over trump's friend's is the tax on house oversight chair elijah cummings in the city -- and the city of baltimore. trump was addressing an event in jamestown marking the beginning of self-government in the u.s. first9, the same year the slaves arrived in the country. this is virginia state delegate ibrahim samirah. >> americans govern ourselvlves, and so hehe us, god, we always wiwill. right here in virginia, your predecessors -- >> virginia is our home! you cannot send us back!
[shouting] cannot send us back, virginia is our home, chanted state delegate ibrahim samirah, who is palestinian-american. samirah also carried a sign that read, "go back to your corrupted home, deport hate, and reunite and all shattered by systemic discrimination." he wrote, "nobody's racism and bigotry should be excused for the sake of being polite. the man is unfit for office and partake her take -- to -- and unfit to partake in a celebration of democracy, reputation -- representation, and our nations history of immigrants." trump continued to attack converse member cummings as a damming report by his house oversight committee this week revealed one of candidate trump on 2016 energy speeches was reviewed by senior officials from the united arab emirates
and saudi arabia. "the trump administration has virtually obliterated the lines normally separating government policy making the -- making from corporate and foreign interests." the edits were handled by trump associate tom barrack, with the help of campaign manager paul manafort, who is currently serving a nearly eight year prison sentence. according to the r report, thoms barrack also lobbied trump to become a special middle east envoy and made plans to help saudi arabia build nuclear power plants through his private equity firm. california governor gavin newsom signed a bill tuesday that will require presidential and gubernatorial candidates to re-reveal -- to release five years of tax returns before they can appear on the state primary ballot. a ballotn still past for trump if he wins the republican nomination. in a statement, governor newsom said, "these are extraordinary times and states have a legal and moral duty to do everything in their power to ensure leaders
seeking the highest offices meet minimal standards and to restore public confidence. this bill will shed light on conflict of interests, self-dealing, or influence from musick and foreign business interest," he said. in chicago, anti-violence motherss from the against senseless killings are searching for answers after two mothers were killed in a drive-by shooting friday night. chantel grant and 36-year-old shot intoudamire were the street in the very spot where mothers against senseless killings regularly gather with their children to play and advocate for a safer community. a member of the community group called the street a sacred ground and a haven that was built by moms. an investigation is ongoing. two men were injured in the shooting and police say one of them may have been the intended target. ofnew york city, the board elections certified queensboro
president melinda katz as the winner of the queens district attorney democratic primary following a paper ballot recount. but the fight is not owner -- is not over as her opponent, filed a lawsuit challenging the results. she originally declared victory on election night as early results per her ahead of linda katz by 1000 votes. now 60 votes separate the two. around 100paign says ballots were improperly dismissed during the count. in kentucky, local residents have been coming out to support blocking g ae train carrying coal from a mine of roach -- from a mine occupying the railroad. the harlan county minors are now on day three of the protests and they say they will stay until they get answers or their paycheck spirit sunrise movement support of the workers' action,
ise coal and mining industry not sustainable but when these companies go under, workers trying to put food on the table do not deserve to suffer the consequences. we need a green new deal to provide safe and sustainable green jobs are workers deserve." in new mexico, children on the u.s. and mexico sides of the wall were able to play together after twowo california professors installed a cross-border seesaw that fits through the e steel slatss separating the two countries. the idea for the teeter totter wall came from architecture andessor ronald rael design professor virgina san fratello. actions that take place on one side have a direct consequence on the other, rael added. those are the headlines.
and those are some of the headlines and this is democracy now. i am amy goodman. one co. i am one gonzalez. welcome to our viewers around the country and around the world. 10 presidential candidates took to the stage in detroit, michigan, tuesday night for the first of a two-night debate hosted by cnn. the evening was billed as the first showdown between the two leading progressives in the race, senators bernie sanders and elizabeth warren. but the two never criticize each other and spent much of the evening fending off attacks by a group of moderate rivals, including former maryland congressman john delaney. this is elizabeth warren. >> democrats win when we figure out what is right and we get out there and fight for it. i am not afraid, and for democrats to win, you cannot be afraid either. >> congressman delaney, your response? >> i think democrats win when we run on real solutions, not impossible promises. when we run on things that are
workable, not fairyrytale economomics. >> i don't understand why anybody goes to the trouble of running for president just to talk about what we cannot do and should not fight for. i don't get it. our biggest problem in washington is corruption. it is giant corporations that have taken our government and that are holding it by the throat and we need to have the courage to fight back against that. until we are ready to do that, it is just more of the same. the two democratic primary debates with an extended discussion health care. this is cnn's jake tapper. >> let's start with you. you support health care for all, which would take private health insurance away from more than 150 million americans in exchange for government-sponsored health care for everyone. congressman delaney just referred to it as bad policy, and previously he called the
ideal -- the idea political suicide that would get president trump reelected. what do you say to commerce meant delaney? >> you are wrong. [laughter and applause] right now we have a dysfunctional health care system , 87 million uninsured or under insured. 500,000 americans every year going bankrupt because of medical bills. dying while the health-care industry makes tens of billions of dollars in profits. five minutes away from me is a country called canada. have health care for every man, woman, and child as a human right. they spent half of what we spend, and by the way, when you end up in a hospital in canada, you come up with no bill at all. elf care is a human right, not a privilege. -- health care is a human right,
not a privilege. i believe that and i will fight for that. >> we can create a universal health care system that gives everyone basic health care for free, and i have a proposal to do it. but we don't have to tell half the country who has private health insurance that their health insurance is illegal. my dad is a union electrician and loves the health care he got from the ice w. he would not want someone to take that away. half of medicare fishy areas now have medicare advantage, which is private -- half of medicare beneficiaries now have medicare advantage, which is private. warren?or >> let's be clear about this. we are the democrats. we are not about trying to take away health care from anyone. that is what the republicans are trying to do. can we stop using republican talking points in order to talk with each other about how to best provide health. i want to have a chance to tell
the story about my friend. he is 35 years old. they have a cute little boy named carl. he also has als that is killing him. eddie has health i insurance, gd health insurance. this is somebody who has health insurance and who every month has about $9,000 in medical bills that his insurance company will not cover. his wife, rachel, is on the phone for hours and hours begging the insurance company, please cover what the doctors say he needs. she talked about what it is like to go online with thousands of other people to beg -- friends, family, and strangers -- for money so he can cover his medical expenses. the basic profit model of an insurance company is taking in as much money as you can in premiums and pay as little as possible in health care coverage. that is not woworking fofor
americans across this country. amy: that is senator elizizabeth warren. before that, congressman delaney and bernie sanders. we begin today in michigan where the first of the two nights of the presidential primary debates are taking place. we are going to ann arbor, to el-sayed, dr. abdul and in 20 he founded the political action committee southpaw michigan to help elect other progressive candidates in michigan. withr., they started health care. your response? >> that is the place to start. i spent the last 18 months of my life talking to people about the issues that they talk about with their families at the dinner table. there is no doubt that folks suffering from chronic diseases, they are frustrated with the private health insurance system that is just not working for them. instead it is working for the
ceo's, who are making tens of millions of dollars a year on a system that is intended to squeeze profits out of people who are sick. that is not working. if we do not have real solutions to that problem, the question has to be, what are we doing here? of some of the moderate democratic candidates, they kept pointing to the existing private health insurance system that many people were satisfied with, especially union negotiated plans. the billionaire -- but the reality is there are major problems with senanator sanders- that centered sanders and elizabeth warren said about the skipping us of this coverage and ess ofhe -- the skimping th the coverage, but also the coverage. it saysayed: progressives want to take away your health insurance.
here is the thing. i love ice cream. if someone gave me a soggy cone with a little bit of vanilla on it and said, actually, let me take that back and give you a nice double scoop with all your favorite flavors, i would pretty have -- i would be pretty happy about that. in the process, they might take away my eyes can come and that is what these moderate democrats are saying. this is not taking away from anything. this is replacing the system we have that has been corrupted by corporations who are interested in profiteering off of very sick people and replacing it with a system that is more akin to every other high income country in the world that would provide us access to high-quality health care where we could see any doctor we wanted without having to working -- to worry about basic things like deductibles and getting on the phone with bureaucratsrance bearcat to get the coverage that we have already paid for. we have been trying to do this for the past 70 years, and right now is the time where people are
standing up there and i am proud to see people like senator warren and senator sanders, who put the issue on the table, fighting for the issue right now. this is not about taking away, it is about replacing with better. amy: you mentioned the candidates taking on republican talklking pointnts. bernie sanders talked about cnn doing the same. this is what he said. medicare --r of the let me clear up one thing. people talk about having insurance. there are millions of people who have insurance that cannot go to the doctor, and when they come out of the hospital, they go bankrupt. about, andalking others have here -- and others up here are talking about, is no deductible. jake, your question is a republican talking point. at the end of the day -- and by theway, by the way, health-care care industry will be advertising tonight on this program. amy: senator sanders was
referring to a question by jake tapper about whether the middle-class should pay high taxes in exchange for universals coverage -- ununiversal coverag. and the ending of insurance premiums. your response? dr. el-sayed: you have a situation in our country where you have huge corporations making billions of dollars each year and pay zero o taxes. they want the rights of corporations but they do not -- of people, but they do not want the responsibility. we have to ask ourselves, what does it look like if amazon was to pay the highest tax rate of the couountry, 37%? they would be payaying $4 billin a year in taxes. if all of those fortune 500 corporations did the same, not exporting tax loopholes that allow them to move money offshore and get credit for it -- what would it look like in terms of the money we bring in? senator warren talks a lot about her wealth taxes in important s because it fuels
important programs like medicare for all. mhe idea that this is zero su and all of a sudden there health care will be taken away, these are unfortunately republican talking points. i ran on a single-payer plan for michigan. what we found is that when you take away those deductibles, those copayments, those out-of-pocket costs from the everyday family, the average family of four earning $48,000 a $5,000 off the top. if you do not have to pay these costs and instead you are paying a tax, you save money because the whole system becomes more efficient. when you take corporate inputs because they have to pay their fair share, it more than makes up f for itself. we have got to push back on talking points. it is a goal of democrats to always aspire to solve the problems peopleace in theheir liveves through our democracy, through our government. this is exactly what medicare
for all would do. amy: we are going to break and come back to our discussion as well as be joined by other guests. we are with dr. abdul el-sayed, former candidate in the michigan gubernatorial election. in 2018 he founded southpaw michigan, to help other progressive candidates be elected in michigan. we are talking about the democratic presidential debate. the next one is tonight. we will cover that tomorrow. stay with us. ♪ [music break]
amy: "the passerby," by mariachi los camperos. last we continue to cover night's presidential debate in detroit. don lemon questioned elizabeth warren. >> senator warren, i am coming to you now. last week the fbi director said the majority of domestic terrorism cases this year have been motivated by white supremacy. the alleged shooter in this week's attack referenced a
well-known white supremacist book on social media p how are you going to combat the rise of white supremacy. >> we need to call white supremacy out for what it is, domestic terrorism, and it poses a threat to the united states of america. we live in a country where the is embracing environmental racism, criminal justice racism, health care racism. the way we can do better is to fight back and show something better. i have a plan, for example, on education that says we have to build a better education system for all our kids, but we have to acknowledge what has happened. tuitionhas universal free college for all of our kids , but it also increases the pell grant and levels the playing field by putting $50 billion into historically black colleges and universities. forancels student loan debt
95% of kids with student loan debt andnd helps close the black-white wealth gap in america. juan: that was senator elizabeth warren. the issue of reparations for slavery also came up during the debate. this is done whitlam -- don lemon questioning marianne williamson. opponents your -- you are calling for up to $500 million for financial assistance. what you makes you qualified to determine how much is owed in reparations? >> first of all, it is not $500 billion in financial assistance, $200 billion to 500 billion dollars, paymement of a debt tht is owed. that is what reparation is. we do not need another commission to look at evidence. i up she had what congressman o'rourke has said. -- i appreciate what," meant o'rourke has said. o'rourke hasessman
said. we need to recognize that when it comes to the economic gap between blacks and whites in america, it does come from a great injustice that has never been dealt with. juan: that was marianne williamson talking about last -- talking in last night's debate. joining us is mehdi hasan. he is a host of upfront and al jazeera english. dr. abdul el-sayed, and 2018 founded the political action committee southpaw michigan to help other progressive candidates in michigan. and erika andiola, chief the refugeeicer for -- i want to start with mehdi hasan. i have been watching the presidential debates, i hate to say it, going back to the first
one between john f. kennedy and richard nixon in 1960. i have never seen so much emphasis in a debate on the issue of race and white supremacy and what presidential candidates might do about it. i am wondering your reaction to the exchanges last night on this issue. hdi: i am glad they discussed it. i will disagree with my friend about starting with health care. i wish they had started with a debate on race because that is where we have been the last few weeks. you have a racist in the white house making racist remarks, about people of color, backed by the republican party, which is basically a white nationalist party. that is where the debate should have begun. it is amazing we did not talk about that at the top of the debate, amazing we did not talk about impeachment at all. but i'm glad they got to it eventually, and elizabeth warren put it best when she said white demark -- that white supremacy
is domestic terrrrorism. aaron williamson talked about reparations. -- marianne williamson talked about reparations. i wish it was someone other than her. although she did so eloquently and passively, i will give her that. cnn talked about immigration reform. i tweeted last night that i wished the democratic candidates -- and there were only really two, had answered by saying let's talk about racism first because racism is underpinning this so-called immigration debate to begin with. but the framing of the debate was right wing from start to finish. amy: on that issue of race, this -sayedissue that dr. elsa ha knows well, health care and racism as the former head of the health department in detroit. i wanted to turn to moderator dana talking to marianne
williamson. >> what is your response on the flint water crcrisis? >> flint is the tip of the iceberg. i was recently in south carolina, where there is a lot of talk about it being the next flint. communities, particularly communities of color and disadvantaged communities all over this country who are suffering from environmental injustice. i assusure you, i live in grosse pointe. it happened in flint would not have happened in grosse pointe. the racism, the bigotry, and the entire conversation we are dealingere tonight, with thiss dark force that this president is bringing up in this country, then i am afraid democrats will see some dark days. we need to say it like it is. it is bigger than flint. it is all over this country. it is particularly people of color, people who do not have the money to fight back.
if the democrats don't start saying it, why would those people feel they are therefore? donald trump will win. amy: that was democratic candidate marianne williamson. el-sayed, this is a story you know very well. combining these issues from race to health care to the poisoning of an american city, flint. dr. el-sayed: there is no way to talk about health care in america without appreciating the subtext of the question of who gets to have it and why. in this country we have policy that is unfortunately said to us that we are going to allow the patterning of access to resource by race and also by socioeconomic position in accordance to where you sit with a particular framing of history of racism in our country. i served the city of detroit as health commissioner, and i had to rebuild a health department that had been shut down because policies took away the rights of
governance for people in detroit just like happened in flint. i used to do a l lot of work in the zip code that you talked about at the top of the hour because that was the space where environmental racism what is at -- racism was at its worst. you had the combination of the pollution put in the air that people have to breathe. that as athink about health issue. when we think about what we can do to address the systematic racism in our country, we have to remember there is a 10 to 12 year life expectancy gap between a white american and a black american in this country. solving that is about addressing what causes the ill health in the first place. and also making sure that people have access to the ability to heal, which is what health care is. made is athat mehdi good one. we cannot ignore race playing its role in shaping things like basic health care. when we stand up for medicare
for all, we are seeing everybody ought to have it. you should have it because you are a human, and a resident of our country. juan: we are also joined by erika andiola. i wanted to get your reaction to the debate. itit seems to me that compared o the first round of debates, the democratic candidates were a lot more muted in some instances on the issue of immigration and what their policies would be. i want to turn to an exchange between montana governor steve bullock and senator elizabeth warren on immigration. this begins with a question from dana bash. thirds support giving medicare to undocumented immigrants. you have not gone that far. why not? erika: this goes to show -- we have 100,000 people showing up at the border right now. -- >> this goes to show we have
100,000 people showing up at the border right now. don't take my word. that was presidedent obama upon homeland security secretary that said that. the biggest problem right now that we have with immigration is donald trump. he is using immigration not only to rip apart families but to rip apart this country. to the point where we have safe borders, where we have a path to citizenship, where we have opportunities for dreamers. you do not have to decriminalize everything. you have to have a president in there with the judgment and decency to treat someone who comes to the border like one of our own. your plan isid unrealistic. how do you respond to that? >> what we have to do is be an america that is clear what we want to do with immigration. we need to expand legal immigration, we need to create
the path for citizenship not just for dreamers but for grandmas and for people who have been working here on the farms and for students who have overstayed their visas. we need to fix the crisis at the border. a big part of how we do that is we do not play into donald trump's hands. juan: that was senator elizabeth warren, and before her, montana governor steve bullock. your response? i definitely think it was a different type of debate this time around. hooley andthat julian castro, and last debate, there was a shift in the conversation. i was listening also to the debate around trade policies,s, and d to me it is like how are u not speaking to the ultimate
push factors? how are you not speaking -- why is this the reason we are having people coming into the u.s. from countries we have done so much in either because of trade policies or intervening with the government? a lot of these conversations are not coming up. to the sameg back talking points of we need a path to citizenship and to secure the borders. but in reality, there is a lot more to that. president obama was saying the same thing when he was running for president. he came as a democrat, deported millions and millions of people, and now we are in a situation where that machine he created was turned into a trump machine, and to me it was really shameful to see that none of the actual candidates are saying that. to me it is scary because i don't want another democratic president who is going to like -- to act likike president t oba on immigration. amy: i want to turn to bernie
sanders on immigration. >> the main point i want to make is that what trump is doing through his racism and demonizing a deemed num group of people. as president, i would end that demonization. if a mother and child walk thousands of miles on a dangerous path, in my view they are not criminals. they are people fleeing violence. and i think the main thing we have got to do, among many others, we have got to ask ourselves, why are people miles to a strange country where they do not know the language? the first week we are in the white house, we will bring the hemisphere together to talk about how we rebuild honduras, guatemala, and el salvador for people who got up to flee their own country. amy: erika andiola, if you can respond to what senator sanders
said. erika: this is what it is speaking to. to me, why is the democratic party already recognizing that there is something bigger when they talk about securing the borders, sending more border patrol agents, sending the military, and a lot of the things we have done within the democratic party and in the trump administration. we are not talking about what are the real issues, how we can actually solve them. it is important to have a conversation. not every democrat cares about immigration, but i can sayay a t of people in o o community who are supposed to be rightow, they should be going out to vote, whetether it is in the community or with people of color, they need to go out and goingn 2020, and that is to happen. we are talking with them about the issues they care about, and immigration is an issue that a lot of people are really waiting to hear what is different.
like i said before, that we are not going to have another democratic president that will deport a record number of people. are decriminalizing people coming into the united states for a reason, because they are fleeing violence and many other issues, fleeing to america. we need to have a different strategy because once democrats have used in the past have not worked. the way itself, and frames the questions around forgration -- you saw, example, bernie sanders taking on cnn around health care and saying they are using republican talking points and framing their questions. what about immigration? ways, some of them were doing the same thing. me if the comments that to could not help myself from laughing, people need to find the doorbell, and i even tweeted, where is the doorbell? because my family could not find
it, and a lot of people could not find it at the border. to me, there is frustration that i feel, that even within the democratic party, a lot of t the issues have not if all, and they are not going to convince our communities -- our communities are not going to vince the people who right now need to be feeling -- are not going to convince the people who right now need to be feeling, not a push, but democrats sealing the border. we do not want another president obama. he did not do a good job on immigration. he might have done a lot of other great things for america, but immigration was not one of them. debate, the democratic i hope there is a recognition deported a lot of people. hopefully that will not happen in the next administration. be kamalaht it will
,my: this is democracy now democracynow.org, the war and peace report. juan: this is jake tapper questioning former governor hickenlooper. >> governor hickenlooper, you ran a facebook ad that warns that socialism is not the answer. the audit -- the ad also said, do not giv let extremes give trp four more years.
mr. sandersng that policies are too extreme to beat president trump? >> many do want to get rid of it but some don't. many don't. the green new deal, make sure that every american is guaranteed the job that they want paired that is a disaster at the ballot box per you might as well fedex the election to governor truck -- to president trump. >> how do you respond to governor hickenlooper? >> the truth is that every credible poll i have seen has me beating donald trump, including the battleground states of michigan, where i won the democratatic primary. and with pennsylvania. the reason we are going to defeat trump and badly is because he is a fraud and a phony and we will expose him for what he is. the people of america want a
living wage, minimum wage, 15 bucks an hour. the american people want to pay reasonable prices for prescription drugs, not the highest prices in the world. governor hickenlooper, i want to bring you back to respond. >> i think if we force america to make these radical changes, throw your hands up. you have not implemented the plans. us governors and mayors are the ones who have to pick up the pieces. the government is supposed to take up these responsibilities, and there is no preparation, no details. you cannot spring a plan on the world and expected to succeed. >> i was a mayor and i helped transform my city. i have some practical experience. interestingly enough, today is the anniversary of medicare. 54 years ago under lyndon johnson and a democratic congress, they started a new program.
please do not tell me that in a four-year period we cannot go from 65 down to 55 down to 45 down to 35. >> thank you, senator. juan: that was an exchange in last night plus debate between senator bernie sanders and former colorado governor john hickenlooper. i would like to bring you into the conversation. react to their exchange and the reality that donald trump is trying to run against what he appears to believe is a tide off socialism swsweeping acrcross america. mehdi: i am not lying about what they want to run on. pete judy judge last night -- pete buttigieg last night said that republicans will call you crazy, left wing, radical, socialist. so run on what you believe in, not just on what republicans are going to say.
on hickenlooper, let's take a step act. what is the point of john hickenlooper? what is the point of john delaney? why are they there on stage? it is irrelevant. it is a complete waste of time. they werere there to be kind of right wing foils for sandeders d warren. eleni is pulling at something poe 0.7% -- d delaney is lling 0.7%. it was absurd. i find this whole framing of the debate, where you have people asking -- hickenenlooper is bere sanders too extreme. we have all internalized them as moderate. what is moderate about an out of touch millionaire like john delaney? sanders, when you look at the polling, bernie sanders and elizabeth warren are more in line with mainstream
america, on health care, tax cuts for the rich, climate change, immigration reform than any of those candidates who are ling at 1%.oli amy: you are right. i want to turn to the issue of nuclear weapons policy. this is ththe debate moderator,j jake tapper. >> senator warren, you want to make a u.s. policy that the u.s. never uses a nuclear weapon unless another country uses one first. president obama considered that policy but decided against it. why should the u.s. tie its own hands with that policy? juan: because -- makes the world safer. the united states is not going to use nuclear weapons preemptively, and we need to say so to the entire world. it reduces the likelihood that someone mis-calculates, someone
misunderstands. our first responsibility is to keep ourselves safe. what is happening right now with donald trump, as we keep expanding the different ways s e have nuclear weapons, the different ways they can be used, it puts us all at risk. senatornor bullock warren's proposal? >> i would not want to take that off the table. that is steve bullock and senator elizabeth warren. mehdi hasan? steve bullock went on to talk about nuclear weapons, reminding me of george w. bush in his folksy way. had a wholeuld have debate on foreign policy. i find the format of these debates so frustrating because you have a l ludicrous n numberf candidates on stage, 10 candidates, trying to touch on all of these different issues throughout the night. i wish we could go into more depth.
i wish we could have a foreign-policy debate where we could get into some of this stuff. we touched on it and then moved on. we did not even talk about israel-palestine. and elizabeth warren is right about not having this ridiculous preemptive policy. bernie sanders has been the most progressive candidate on foreign policy. what is interesting about foreign in 2016, bernie dominated on domestic policy. now everyone else has pulled his direction off of that debate with the way that he has dragged the party leftward over the last three years. he has moved out there. he has said things about foreign policy. i would love the candidate response to bernie last week that we use usaid and leverage to force agyeman and yahoo! and force netanyahu --
tlaibhis is where rashida comes from. i do not know if that is what president trump meant when he said she should go back where she came from. we are going to turn to this issue of foreign when jake tapper asked mayor pete buttigieg about the war in afghanistan. >> will you withdraw all u.s. servicemembers by the end of your first year in office? >> we will withdraw. we have to. >> in your first year? >> yes. around the world, we will do whatever we can to keep america safe. i thought i was one of the last troops leaving afghanistan when i thought i was turning out the lights years ago. every time i see news about somebody being killed in afghanistan, i think about what it was like to hear an explosion and think about whether it was somebody i knew, a friend, roommate, colleague. we are pretty close to the day where we will wake up to the news about a casualty in
afghanistan who was not born on 9/11. hickenlooper, you disagree. you are open to keeping some servicemembers in afghanistan beyond your first term. >> i believe this is a humanitarian issue. with all due respect, you are looking at conditions for women, if you pull the troops out of there, you will see a humanitarian disaster that will startle and frighten every man, woman, child of this country. we do not have the troops in over 400 different locations around the world. most of them are small, peacekeeping. we will have to be -- look at the process that has happened in that country. we are going to turn our backs and walk away from people who have risked their lives to build a different future for afghanistan? john that was governor hickenlooper and pete buttigieg. their exchange over afghanistan. i wanted to ask mehdi hasan --
react to their exchange. also, they talk about the u.s. troops in afghanistan. but there is not much mention about all the carnage and the deaths that have resulted from this disastrouous, long-term u.. occupation. mehdi: indeed. to go back to my earlrlier poin, john hickenlooperr -- why do we care what john hickenlooper, the foformer governor of colorado, thinks about afghanistan? what d does he know about afghanistan? pete buttigieg is s talking rirightly about people serving n afghanistan who were not born on 9/11, and we will have the first casualties, which will be deeply frustrating. amy: alsoo the number of afghan children who died there, born after 9/11. mehdi: very good point, and we never talk about the victims, because those people are u npeople, who do not get covered
by the united states media. that is part of the problem. there was not a discussion about endless war. we dipped in and out of subjects. we did not get a big picture of u.s. foreign policy, what it is for. what will the ex-president use it for? under what circucumstanceses? -- what will the next president use it for? undeder what circumstances? asking people like steve bullock and john hickenlooper what they will do. pete buttigieg had a good line. i do not know if you hurt him, but he said, "i want to be i in the debate with donald trump because i want to stand d theres a veteran next to a guy who pretended to be disabled to get out of fighting in vietnam." chaiai thought was a g good lin, but then i remembered sadly, in 2004, john kerry, the great veteran, against george w. bush, the chicken hawk -- that did not work. >> elizabeth is absolutely
right. if anybody here thinks corporate america gives one damn about the average american worker, you are mistaken. if they can save five cents by going to china, exit co., vietnam, or any place -- mexico, vietnam, or anyplace else, that is what they will do. , they wantline up military contracts. under my administration, they ain't going to get those contractcts and leave american workers out on the street. , if you couldyed respond to this. we will go around the table and see what you see -- what you want to see tonight in the debate. dr. el-sayed: we make this differentiation between foreign policy and mx the policy -- and domestic policy.
when foreign policy dominates so much of our budget -- we are involved in 80 countries in the world, 14 of which our troops are seeing active combat. that costs a lot of money. beyond that, we are subsidizing the foreign military. that is all money that is being used to kill children abroad when we could use that same money to save children's lives at home. we are not doing that. that is the point we have to be making. on that broader point, the dominance of corporations, in the ways they have lobbied our government to make policy that is fundamentally about moving american material into countries where it does not need to be -- into selling our health care system to the highest bidder, these corporations have dominated it. into making decisions about who can and cannot have prescription drugs. babasic things people need in their lives. this question of whether or not we are willing to deal with the system of inequality and the way corporations have created that,
that really is a differentiator between people like senator sanders and elizabeth warren and the other folks. are we willing to deal with that system? andiola, what you want to see tonight? i mean, i really hope again that they can speak to racism. i am particularly interested also in hearing from joe biden and a few others that they are not going to repeat obama cost mistakes on immigration. i also hope we can hear some -- at least a question of puerto rico, given what has happened on the island. i was completely shocked there was no mention of f what just happeneded in puerto rico and wt we shohould be doing to support the island. amamy: mehdi hasasan, 10 second. takes downhope, harris