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marginalized. it was the largest crowd since the funeral of pope john paul ii in 2005. they were join by spiritual leaders have to jewish, muslim, buddhist, and christian faiths, including the head of the orthodox church, the first to attend an installation mass in 1,000 years. there were also heads of state from 132 nations, including our own vice president biden. tomorrow, he meets with 30 delegations from other christian churches in major world faiths. friday, he addresses the foreign ambassadors assigned to the holy see. friday, something that hasn't happened in 700 years, the pope meets with his predecessor, benedict xvi. all there before palm sunday mass. we start with nbc's claudio, and also with us, father james martin, jesuit priest and best selling author. his latest book, "together on retreat" hits book stores today. we start with you. you were there for the installation mass. what was it like for the
thousands that packed the square? >> reporter: well, it was both exciting and unconventional in a way we were there, way early this morning. about 6:00 in the morning. three hours before the mass was started. there were already thousands of people that were up behind some fences that the police put up before they opened it. then they open the fences and then went running for it. they went running toward st. peter's square to get a front row position to see the pope up close and personal. it was about ten years ago, this is a kind of a rock star pope already. even though he has been elected only a week ago. and the actual ceremony itself was as unconventional as every event that the pope has been presiding since he was elected pope. for instance, that long tour on the pope mobile, open deck pope mobile that he took around st. peter's square to greet the hundreds of thousands of pilgrims that came from all over
the world. certainly, that's the first time that a pope has done it. before the mass, certainly in a very long time. even in modern history, i believe, that shows how the pope wants to be close to the pilgrims. he wants to be a touchy-feely pope and not distant. there were many touching moments. of course, he was taking some babies and kissing the babies on their heads like a pope does. but the most moving moment was when he stopped the car. once again, very unconventional. he got off the car. to the bewilderment of the security, always worried when the pope go off script. and he went to bless and kiss on the forehead a disabled man which was just beyond the fence among all the other pilgrims. that shows you that this is a pope, he wants to be the pope of the poor people pope. the pope for the sick, the elderly, for those that are more in need. >> a lot of people since his
announcement now in the wake of his installation are trying to figure out who pope francis is. if you could, square for us his staunch conservatism on the social issues. with his social justice view of inequality. how do those things relate to each other? >> it is part of a solid defensive life from natural conception and natural death. that includes a life of the youngest, life of the unborn, life of the poor, life of the elderly, life of the sick. i really did think that today in the homily, he spoke about being tender to people and use tenderness five times. he showed that as your correspondent was saying, by meeting with this man and stopping the procession. the biggest day of his life, to stop the procession and meet with this disabled person. give him a kiss. you could tell he is someone who feels comfortable around people who are sick and disabled. he is a very tender man. a very humble man and i think a very approachable man. so i'm very excited and frankly, he really inspires me. >> father martin, your new book
is out today. interesting enough, my new book is out today, too. so something we share there a little bit. but seriously though, you're a jesuit. the new pope is a jesuit. how do you think that philosophy will affect his papacy in. >> i think you're seeing it in material of his attention to the poor. one of the thing we jesuits are known for in addition to our prayerfulness and our educational institutions is our attention to the poor and the social justice. he has taken name francis, the apostle of the poor, and has talked about the poor and marginalized ever since he started. i think the theme of poverty and taking care of the poor and as he said on sunday, a church of the poor and for the poor is going to be a theme of his papacy. >> by the way, father martin, i have joe in the second round of the tournament. claudio, you mentioned the dramatic gesture there of the pope getting out of the motorcade and working the crowd like that.
i just think the inaugural parade here in the united states when jimmy carter broke with tradition, got out and backed down pennsylvania. how dramatic that was. does that say anything about how the relationship of this pope, with catholic worldwide will be different than the relationship benedict had with them? >> indeed it is. the pope breaks with the rules and breaks with tradition and vatican security as well. on sunday, for instance, he was holding a small mass inside the small parish inside the vatican walls. of course, that is very protected. he saw that there was this very long line of people behind the fences that got out of the vatican walls and into the streets of rome, of course, where he is less protected. he came out of church and started strolling outside the walls with the vatican security chasing after him. just to hold hands with everybody. of course, he exposed himself to great risk. that shows that you the pope doesn't care. he is not worried. he wants to be among the people.
so this is a completely, not entirely a flew style because of course, we all remember how pope john paul ii was with people. he was very similar. especially in the early stages of his papacy. but certainly, this is a massive break from the norm, compared to his predecessor, benedict xvi. >> cardinal dolan was on the "today" show this morning and he heard in pope francis' comments some potential glimmers of hope for an expanded and reformed role for women in the church. let's take a listen to cardinal dolan. >> they said tender love has to go to creation, to god's creatures, and especially to those who are most fragile. especially to those who are poor and struggling and who feel alienated. women are pros when it comes to tender love. will they have a more accented role in his papacy? i would not doubt it. >> did you hear what cardinal dolan heard there? i'm be sure i quite saw that connection. did you draw anything from those comments? >> i didn't draw the same
connections that cardinal dolan did but i'm very heartened to hear that he did. if cardinal dolan is saying that, that is a good sign that there are people inside the vatican who do think that. i think in terms of women's roles in leadership positions in the church. but as your correspondent was saying, the pope is the pope. and if he wants to change things in terms of the style and tone and even sort of certain kinds of policies, it is up to him. >> father martin, thank you. up next, the lasting impact of the iraq war. it has been ten years since shock and awe. but the decisions made then continue to affect our military, our politics and our bank account to this day. "the cycle" rolls on. the only thing we'd ever grown together
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at this hour, american and coalition forces are in the early stages of military operations to disarm iraq, to free its people, and to defend the world from grave danger. and i asure you, this will not be a campaign of half measures. >> to as you just heard, free its people. i wonder if they feel free a decade later, after a waving of bombings ripped through baghdad, killing 56 and wounding more than 200 of the citizens we invaded iraq to protect and to save. and to fortify as an example for
the rest of the middle east. after nearly nine years of war, 189,000 lives, $800 billion, and zero, count them, zero wmd later, we're faced with a tough question. is anybody better off than they were before we invaded. joining us to help answer that, former national security council spokesman, tommy who is what? two? three weeks out of white house? you're just fresh. >> something like that. >> you still have your card. i bet you can still get in there. >> they won't let me in anymore. >> so ten years, nine years since we invaded iraq. what do you think is the long term impact of having done that on our economy and on our standing in the globe? >> i think any way you cut it, the decision to go to war in iraq was a disaster and took our eye off afghanistan and al qaeda. and the human toll was enormous. 4,500 u.s. service members died. 100,000 at least iraqi civilians were killed. the cost estimate is between $1
to $3 trillion depending on what study you look at. it was an enormously costly mistake for our country. i think that the american people lost a lot of faith in their leadership to tell them the truth. to make decisions about war and peace based on facts and not misrepresentations of intelligence. and it hurt our standing around the globe. any way you cut it, this decision was a disaster. >> you work inside the white house. do you think they knew that they didn't have wmd? what do you think is the real reason why we went into iraq? >> that's a great question. something struck me having been in that building is how difficult these choices. are i remember hearing a very senior member of the intelligence committee say the circumstantial case for wmd in iraq was stronger than the case for bin laden being at the compound. the president made that very difficult decision to go after bin laden and it was ultimately
successful. he's the are really tough choices but i can't understand how given the dissenting voices in the intelligence community at the time that was shedding a lot of doubt on these cases being made publicly about the intelligence, how they could have made this decision. i think on its face, it was the wrong one at that time. >> well, what's striking to me when you look back at the vote to authorize the invasion in 2003. you look back 12 years before that to 1991 in the first gulf war. the '91 vote was much closer than the 2003 vote. i wonder if the real original sin was the gulf war in 1991. that's the war we said afterwards, america kicked its vietnam syndrome. it was relatively speaking in material of american casualties, there weren't that many. people got this impression that war was easy and we spent the '90s, what was the refrain? we didn't finish the job against saddam. >> that's a good point. i think there was dereliction of duty by a lot of people that
were not in the white house at that time. we needed to be stronger as an opposition in casting doubt on the decision or at least questioning them. there was not enough coverage of the lines being spun out of the white house. you talked to some reportes talking to lower level members of the community saying wait a minute. this canard about aluminum koobs is not accurate. or the connection between saddam hussein and osama bin laden are all but nonexistent. i think there were a lot of people at fault at that time. what it speaks to is the need for a really vociferous debate about these issues before we ever make these decisions. >> i think the other question looking retrospectively is the reconstruction effort. most americans agree going into iraq was a police take but given that we were there, the reconstruction effort did not have to be the catastrophe that it was. what sort of lesson should we draw from that?
>> it is a critical lesson. something we talk about a lot with respect to syria. one of the disasters of iraq was the dissolution of the state. so when bashar al assad goes, and the government believes ultimately he will, those institutions, those governing bodies will be necessary for the day after. for those people who are left holding the bag, what has become basically a sectarian war, to put back a government. it is a critical lesson and a police take we cannot ever make again. >> as we look back and relitigate the war in iraq, i think it is easy to say on its face, it was a clear mistake and we'll never do this again, how could we do this. let's not forget that. a lot of democrats voted for this war. including hillary clinton. that's what i want to ask you about it. she voted for the iraq war resolution in 2002. 2007, refused to see that vote
as a police take. she has defended that since. i'm wondering if you think that is going to be a political problem for her. in 2016 if she ends up running. >> let me say a couple things. having been in the white house i realize how hard it is to govern and to make these national security decisions. it is not black and white and it never is. it never will be. i have more sympathy for the people involved than i would four years ago. with respect to secretary clinton and the democrats who made that vote, i think it is the case that that vote was a mistake. it led to this war. i don't think it will be a political liability for secretary clinton if she decides to run. her career since that vote is so extraordinary and so accomplished that i think that people will look at that time period far more than they will that vote. >> she has already paid a huge price for having made that vote. i don't know if she will pay that price again. see that? the academy folks can do well for themselves.
tommy, thank you very much. >> congratulations on the book. >> up next -- we have a big announce. and we have sanford and son and steve kornacki. the these jolly yift took his know from the e.r. and created a hangover kit. he took a bus and dubbed it hangover heaven. [ female announcer ] made just a little sweeter...
guess who's back? that would be former governor mark sanford. remember him? the guy who gave a whole new meaning to hiking the appalachian trail. the once disgraced governor is set to make a comeback among the 16 republicans running for the first congressional seat in south carolina. let's spin on this. this is sort of a three-phase process that's playing out in south carolina right now. this is preliminary election right now. if nobody gets over 50%, there will be a run-off for the
republicans in two weeks. then the nominee will emerge and will run against the sister of stephen colbert who pronounces her name colbert. >> good summation. >> so those are the basics. so yes, we said in the lead, it looks like mark sanford who was in the house before he became governor is going to be the top vote getter today in the preliminary. the real question is, is this going to be one of these things where he gets 32% and the challengers right behind him, or does he have a really strong showing like 45%? these runoffs can get really funky. >> look at all those people. >> he is the sarn and son theme song. i prefer the simpsons song, son of sanford personally. >> oh, boy. >> let's see what his percentage is tonight. one of the possibilities, he could run against ted turner's son which is in and of itself fascinating to see how ted turner has distanced himself from his famous father. i'm also curious about the idea
of the comeback after a sex scandal in politics. this has been pulled off before. but i think one of the common threads and the politicians who have gone through career threatening sex scandal and survived, generally it is, they don't immediately quit. take for instance, the story of mark sanford. this whole story broke a few years ago and there was immediate pressure for him to step down as governor. he did not. when he left office, the poll in south carolina, we're not nuts about voting for the guy in the future. his unfavorable rating was fairly high. but if you look at his job approval number, overall, it was very strong among republicans and i think it might be one of the reasons why he is in a decent position today. we've seen, you contrast that with anthony weiner. we see stories every few months that he wants to come back and run for office in new york city. i think if he had just somehow just held on and weathered that storm as the story showed a few minutes ago, the storm does pass. nobody will ever forget it but it does pass.
>> i think the key isn't quite letting the storm pass but it is being a really good retail politician. and if people in your district, the state, really, really like you, then they'll let you do a lot of things. you can get away with a lot of thing. like mark sanford. he has that charisma, that retail politician connection. he reminds me of marion berry. >> i make that connection all the time. >> the three-term mayor of d.c., super retail politician was really known and loved by his people. he gets caught in 1990 as mayor doing crack. the famous, the beset me up. he is convicted for six months, come back and wins mayor again for a fourth term in '94 because the people still loved him. they really like, they'll forgive almost anything. it is like the sort of europeanization of america that we'll accept bill clinton fooling around, that we'll
accept what mark sanford has done, we'll accept what david vitter did. >> go tell the south carolinas they're becoming europeans. they won't understand that at all. >> well, and going back to anthony weiner, also his other problem is he could not have handled that whole thing in a worse way. less than the infidelity is the dishonesty initially about what was going on. once he came out with it, he seem very contrite. the american people are very forgiving. i thought of another politician who could offer some advice. one of my favorite moments from the republican 2012 primary. let's take a look. >> as you know, your ex-wife gave an interview to abc news and another interview with the
"washington post" and this has gone viral on the internet. she said you came to her in 1999, at a time when you were having an affair. she said you asked her, sir, to enter into an open marriage. would you like to take some time to respond to that? >> no. but i will. [ cheers and applause ] i think the destructive, vicious, negative nature of much of the news media makes it harder to govern this country, harder to attract decent people to run for public office, and i am appalled that you would begin a presidential debate on a topic like that. >> that was the presidential debate in charleston, south carolina. newt parlayed that into a win in the primary. one of the biggest applause lines and a victory. >> an open marriage request.
allow me to have other women or we're done. that's not a request. >> and he turn that into a win. i have one other thing though from my south carolina insider source, jimmy williams. >> i know him. >> i know him, too. >> he said if sanford gets below 49% in the run-off, he's in real trouble. and as for elizabeth colbert bush, he is impressed with the race she is running. he thinks she has a tough up-hill battle but she's been super focused on jobs. has been laying low and really doing a great job. their this is a district south carolina win, that mitt romney won by 18 percentage points. so it will be a tough role for her. >> i will say i think having a woman against him is probably a plus. >> i think you're right. >> i am wondering -- >> there is another thing we haven't acknowledged, which is that perhaps it makes it easier. the rt sof scandal is bluntd a bit by the fact that he married
the mistress. it sort of makes that whole thing a little more palatable. >> i found my true love. >> i'm wondering as i thought back about some of these in the past, brad pitt, for example, and angelina jolie, you mentioned -- >> the other connection i made right away. >> tom hanks married rita wilson. and the best of this, the best at this was of course, prince charles and camilla. they managed to change the p.r. around this story so well that the p.r. firm handling them during this time received an award for their work. getting these people back into good favorability numbers. >> if you're right about that, it will be interesting. you think about marrying the mistress. i think of nelson rockefeller who left his wife. he was going to be -- >> the other brad pitt. >> we wouldn't talk about that.
the 1964 primary. rockefeller was going to win and it then the baby with the mistress was born the sunday before the primary. and it may have been why goldwater won the primary. >> maybe. maybe rockefeller. he didn't have as much of a chance as you're talking about. >> well, in your heart you know he's right. >> rockefeller '64. that's a whole other thing. in your guts you know he's nuts will. >> in your heart. you know he's right. i prefer that one. >> 39% of the popular vote. >> wait, wait, wait. hold on. >> chill out, dude. >> there's something else. you're too humble to sayett. so we're all thinking about it. the elephant in the room. twitter is blowing up. so we just want to let everybody know what is really going on out there in cycle land. that i have a new book. it is called prince. it is called "i would die 4 u."
number one right now. and also, steve kornacki has a new job. we're extraordinarily proud of you. you are going to be on saturday and sunday. we'll be watching because we're super proud of you. we love you. >> thank you, thank you, can be be the new chris hayes because chris hayes is still going to be chris hayes at 8:00 at night. but it took an extraordinary am of humility for me not to mention toure's book will. >> but you just did. thank you very much. >> i think the old tv show, the critic with jay sherman plugging his book, his cardboard went this way. buy my book, buy my book, buy my book all day. >> straight ahead, our obsession with evil. it is ominous, right? from the hit tv shows to arias mania. the fbi profiler tasked with down killers delves into the dark side. carfirmation.
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everyone is in daytona having fun. >> eddie? are you okay? >> a serial killer joe carroll has escaped from prison. >> he's finding people to help him. it is like they're his followers. >> you don't want to do this. >> that creepy clip is from fox's the following. the latest series playing to america's obsession with serial killers, murder, and other general evilness. our next guest is a man that has work more than 5,000 cases during his 25 years at the fbi and actually, invented criminal profiling as we know it. he has been inside the minds of ted bundy, son of sam, john wayne gacy. he has helped fight for the freedom of amanda knox and the
west memphis three. he is the real life inspiration for fbi agent jack crawford on silence of the lambs. joining us in the guest spot in the flesh. legendary fbi profiler, john douglas. and his new book, "law and disorder." i see what you did there is on shelves now. now that you're retired and unshackled, tell us about some of the more notorious cases that you've worked. >> well, i work cases that receive national publicity and some of the most interesting cases that never received the national publicity. the cases like from david burk wits to the ted bundy, john gacy, to a case in anchorage, alaska, to a plan hunted women down like wild animal. i was over in england on the ripper case. i was in california on the trail side killing case. the unibomber. pretty much a who's who in the types of cases that i work.
>> john, i'm kind of curious. not sure exactly how to phrase this. the term would be like a successful serial killer. but somebody who actually gets away with it for a long time. somebody like that have to be of high intelligence to be able to pull it off? >> not really. because sometimes with a high intelligence, they think they're much smarter than law enforcement. i interviewed the btk strangler, bind, torture, kill, a couple years ago. i worked that case back in the '80s all the way until he resurfaced again. he was kind of smart. smart in a way but then he was pretty darn lucky. he stopped killing for years and years and years. when i went to interview him, my main objective was why did you stop killing? and one of the things with him was, he was into cross dressing. and he would take clothing of his victims. kind of as a memento. as a souvenir. when he would get home, his wife was away at workering put on his clothing. he had a plastic mask on his face that look like a woman.
one day as he was doing this, his wife came home and caught him. and she said what's going on here? well, i have a problem. you're darn right you have a problem. just knock it off. so she contacted the friends of hers who worked at a v.a. center. she never really put two and two together that she was married to the btk strangler. so, he didn't have a high i.q. at all. he was just lucky. he worked for adt security and he was able to cut phone lines. he had a badge. he was able to gain access to people. it was just more luck than being smart. >> well, and with these serial killers, is there like something that happens where they snap and then they go on these killing sprees? or are they exhibiting traits throughout their lives that make them susceptible? is it something that sort of came on very early in life? >> almost without exception you see what we call early on in their lives a homicidal triangle. fire setting, animal cruelty is
another area, and they are obviously abused. abused very, very early on. having said that, just because someone fits many of these characteristics doesn't mean they'll grow up to be a violent anything. they may be someone very impressionable in their life that can take them astray. the serial killers, when they finally start, usually around their mid 20s and it is a precipitating stressor or event. i've been into the pen at the present timeries throughout the united states and, through the penitentiaries. it is always a mother thing, more so than the father. they may love their mother but they hate her at the same time. and that is something that will trigger that event. or it could be something coupled with that. they lose a job. there are other conflicts in their life. they decide, aha, i'm going out. it always begins with fueled by fantasy. fantasy starts it. the fantasy, through pornography, through their own drawings. it may not satisfy them. they have to finally go out and
do their thing and see if that that appease them. seat their urges. >> you've explained the urges of a lot of the guys in this evil. i want to talk about aileen. >> women usually knock off their husbands. they kill an elderly person to collect social security. hers was a combination of criminal enterprise and obviously, she was a serial killer. she was with another woman. she needed money. so she would get these guys alongside the highway. she would jump in the vehicle. have sex. but the primary motivation with her was to kill these people and get their money. she was very, she was a lot different than men. men, it's a question of power and control and domination. and again, a fantasy that they have.
and this fantasy is never really fulfilled. when they commit a crime, it doesn't go down as good as how the fantasy was. so they are never fulfilled and that's why they keep going and going and going. up fortunately for law enforcement sometime we have to wait for them to make place take. >> what do you think about america's overarching sort of fascination with these sorts of people and all the television shows, the books we consume. are we misguided or do you kind of understand that attraction that we have? >> you're misguided. no, there is this attraction. the latest one, the following, i watched one episode. the informing, i deal with the worst of the worst. too much gratuitous violence. at that time of the evening. there are not 400 serial killers in the united states. that is an erroneous statement. they're quoting the fbi. when i started doing this research as a very young agent, i was the yichkt at quantico at
32. the offenders that we saw you know back there were perpetrating crimes to serial killers but we only came up with 35 to 50 at a time in the united states. any city where you have prostitution, runaways, so-called throeaways. we have a drug culture, street people. these are fertile grounds for serial killers so it is very conservative. 50, 35 to 50. 400? no. they're off base. >> all right. john douglas, thank you. >> thanks for having me. appreciate it. up next, the first lady honors women vets at the white house. a new public/private partnership is helping them take their battlefield experience to the business world. do we have a mower? no. a trimmer? no. we got nothing. we just bought our first house, we're on a budget. we're not ready for spring. well let's get you ready. very nice. you see these various colors.
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celebrate our women veterans. that was first lady michelle obama this morning honoring 14 women vets as champions of change in their communities and giving an update on her push to get the country's biggest corporations to hire more veterans on this tenth anniversary of the iraq war. let's remember that the unemployment rate for iraq and afghanistan veterans stands at 9.4%. well above the national average. and for women, it is actually even worse with an 11.6% unemployment rate. our next grefts two women on a mission to change that by giving our veterans the tools they need to go from battlefield to boss. with us now, the founder, president and ceo of count me in for women's economic independence, and c.j. scarlet, a former marine and founder of roving coach. and c.j., let's start with you. do you think that military service gives women a particular leg up when it comes to being entrepreneurs and actually striking out on their own, starting their own business?
>> absolutely. i believe that the military gives you this opportunity to develop discipline and leadership skills that you don't get in a civilian world. and so the opportunity to have access to these kinds of tools serve you very well in the corporate community and in the entrepreneurial community. >> we have that statistic about the 11% unemployment rate for women coming home. i guess i wonder why the emphasis particularly on business ownership and starting your own business as opposed to employment and just getting a job. >> there's a real opportunity to create your own job in starting a business. and i meet women like c.j. when i move around the country, helping women grow businesses. i met a woman last weekend who employs seven other veterans. so there's an opportunity to not only create a job for yourself but for others. and employment for someone else isn't always what everybody wants to do. about a quarter of the population are entrepreneurs.
and we're finding that that is true in the veteran population as well. that there is a real opportunity for them to create businesses and create jobs. >> c.j., in preparation for this segment, i was reading a vet-epreneur magazine. in an interview, she now hems vets assimilate into corporate work. she said when you see commercial that's just depict fathers coming home and husbands coming home, instead of mothers and wives coming home. maybe it creates the impression that women coming home from war want to get right back into motherhood and wifedom. is that sort of a misperception that you would agree with? >> i do agree that's a misperception. i think women who come back want to continue serving in the communities and the corporate world and they have so much to offer in their experience as leaders.
>> c.j., let's talk a little about why there is this difference between the women vets and the male vets. the unemployment rate for female vets is 11.6%. 2 1/2 points higher than for male vets. why are there extra challenges for our sisters when they come home from the theater? >> well, i think, my experience as the former wife of a military veteran. when he was deployed overseas, he came home and the community was ready to embrace him. when the women come back, we tend to forget they're in a combat situation as well. they're in harm's way. when they come home they want to be with their families and children and they also want to have a useful job. they want to do something that fulfills them. it is harder for them to get out there. they have that pull of the family against them, i think. >> what are some of the specific challenges and the specific skill sets that women veterans need in order to go from their military service into being a
business owner? what sort of skill are they being provided with? >> what we see and what we're providing, they have a great deal of confidence, i think, more confidence that a lot of women who have not been in the military. that's a great asset if you want to grow or start a business. i think where challenges is around business planning and getting really clear about how to finance their business. these are challenges that i think are common among businessowners, but it's particularly true for women who have been in a situation where they've been of service to others in the military. they haven't spent a lot of time thinking about business plans or financial arrangements for their business. in the same way other people may have. that's what we provide in our -- in the kind of program that we offer. many veterans, women, have come through our programs that weren't specifically for vets which is why we created the women veteran entrepreneur corps to specifically focus on them and really help them grow their companies, because they're doing
extraordinary things. c.j. is a brilliant example. >> well, it's fantastic work that you're doing. i have to say, from my experience in politics, one of the hardest things for all women is getting them comfortable with making the ask. right? asking for help. and i think that fund-raising piece getting them comfortable there for their businesses is incredibly important. mel, and c.j. scarlet, thank you so much. >> thank you. when it comes to sports on "the cycle" i'm the wo-man, so to speak, apparently. listen up. we take you to boston last night where the champ, miami heat, went after their 23rd straight win. a win at the garden. the heat would have the second longest winning stretch in nba history. has warner wolf, whoever that is, sorry, i don't know anything really, guys. let's go to the videotape. end of the first quarter boston went crazy. with jeff green leading the way, a big lead at halftime. celtics were ahead 59-53.
miami led by king james stormed back and tied the game. with ten seconds left he put the heat ahead 105-103. when paul pierce missed, as the clock was running out, miami had its 23rd straight win. >> yep. >> because of this, we asked on facebook, will miami continue winning and catch the lakers of 1971 and 1972 streak of 33? our own tracy oshiro says. eli suarez says they have a better chance at the record than congress does at finding some sort of compromise. eli turning sports into politics. a kornacki kind of response. we like that. like us on facebook. while you're there, check out the new episode of s.e.'s tweet bag. this time jonathan capehart joins her. you know it's going to be good. i'm sure there's something on there about tour e's book. up next, per s.e., why rand
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historically conservatism has succeeded when it's offered either a strong intellectual argument or convincing emotional one. over the past four years it has done neither particularly well. and republicans have suffered the consequences. with cpac over and the rnc's growth & opportunity project report out the talk now turns to implementation. to look ahead, first let's look back. in the 1940s, '50s and '60s conservatism was the domain of daring intellectuals like ayn rand, russell kirk.
goldwater and irving crystal. negotiating issues like anti-utopianism, free market economics, objectivism, federalism, and natural law, conservatism was an exercise for academics, literadi and internationals, young minds at yale, a mixture of cocktail matters. in the '80s, conservatism, overtures to evangelicals, blue collar workers and middle class entrepreneurs. the messengers and messages were different, but the supply side economics, kirk's christianity, and crystal's neoconservatism were alive and well in ronald reagan in george w. bush who promoted a conservatism marked by compassion and common sense for the every man. today's conservatism is perceived as matter high minded nor of the people. existing instead in some nether reger