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morning eastern time when he landed in tel aviv. as soon as he stepped off air force one, he was greeted not just by peres but also benjamin netanyahu. don't exactly have a warm relationship, but here he is, the live picture with peres. and you see all the school children waiting american and israeli flags and we are told in a little while, oh, there he is shaking hands, greeting them from pretty excited kids. the kids will be singing a very familiar song tomorrow in english, arabic and hebrew. we expect to hear the president also, as well. he spoke earlier today about the special relationship between the united states and israel. and as they do a photo-op, here's what the president said a little while ago. >> i see this visit as an opportunity. to reaffirm the unbreakable bond between our nations to reinstate america's unwavering commitment to israel's security and to speak directly to the people of
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israel and to your neighbors. >> in an unstable and uncertain middle east, the need for our alliance is greater than ever. it's the key to thwarting dangers to advancing peace. it's the key to achieve a stable and secure peace that the president of israel yearn for all our neighbors and with all our hearts. we seek a peace with our palestinian neighbors. >> so, again, this is just day one. tomorrow, the president's going to travel to ramallah. he'll be meeting with palestinian president mahmoud abbas and they'll visit a u.s. development center there. tomorrow he goes to jordan and will be meeting with king abd abdull abdullah. the former ambassador to morocco and former white house middle east adviser and michael singh
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for near east policy and former senior director for middle east affairs at the national security council. good morning, gentlemen, it's good to see you. >> good morning, chris. >> good morning, chris. >> so, you know, charming welcome there at the home and earlier today at the welcoming ceremony. seemed that peres and netanyahu gave the president a pretty warm welcome. peres called obama a great president and world leader. i think they spent like 15 or 20 minutes together and there he's signing the welcome guest book. did you read anything into what you heard, ambassador ginsburg so far today or see anything that you think is notable at this point? >> well, two things. first of all, chris, the fact is that the president made it very clear from the time that he landed at the airport that he was going to talk directly to the israeli people to try to reassure them that this alliance between the united states and israel is unshakable. and there's a lot of suspicion among israelis over the
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president's intentions given the turmoil in the region. number two, the president made it very clear that he also believes that israel's security is dependent on reaching the peace with the palestinians. that's why he used the euphemism that he looks for a peace in the holy land. and so there's no doubt that with respect to the messages that he sent on the ground, chris, it was, one, i have your back to the israelis, number two, the best way for israel's long-term security to prevail in the region is to reach a peace with the palestinians. >> i think, ambassador, we had that sound from the president earlier today that you were just referencing. let me play a quick -- another quick clip from president obama. >> and we stand together because peace must come to the holy land. for even as we are clear eyed as the difficulties, we will never lose sight of the vision of an israel at peace with its neighbors. >> but, michael, there is no plan that the president brought with him, not even a modest one.
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so other than listen, other than this symbolism, do you expect substance out of this trip? >> well, you know, chris, these are such highly kchoreographed and scripted trips. what struck me about his remarks in the beginning was the use of the prefix "re," reinstate, they need to reset their relationship. and they both need each other, they've both been reelected. they have to deal with one another constructively on these issues. i think, though, the real substance will happen in private. obviously they're both very concerned about iran and need to get on the same page on iran. syria is a big and increasing problem given the news coming out of there. and so they'll really get their business done in their private one-on-one conversations on this trip. >> well, we want to get into policy. but let me ask you first about the personal relationship widely reported, it seems, that the president and benjamin netanyahu really don't like each other.
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could this be an opportunity to change that or at least move it in the other direction? >> listen, chris, we have watched this dysfunctional relationship ever since the president was elected. there's no doubt that netanyahu preferred romney over obama in the last election. but the fact of the matter is, the president understands as well as netanyahu that the two of them are facing what essentially is israel's greatest peril in the next year, and that is iran's potential nuclear weaponization. and both countries are tied at the hip inso far as what happens to iran. if iran decides to proceed, well, both israel and the united states might find themselves in a conflict against iran. and so there's got to be a better relationship between these two men. not only with respect to iran, but also with respect to israel's growing challenges on its borders, particularly in lebanon with hezbollah in the south with gaza and egypt and, of course, with syria.
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the last thing that the united states wants is for netanyahu and the israeli people the belief that the president does not have his back and they would have to act unilaterally without due american consultation with israelis. >> and we know, michael, that the president is going to be going to ramallah to be talking to president mahmoud abbas. talked to one palestinian legislator who laid out conditions for returning to the negotiating table. either israel puts a six month freeze on the building in the west bank and they don't pursue international criminal court, or they come to some agreement on borders along the pre-1967 lines. do you see in any of this any hope for progress? >> well, unfortunately, not much, chris. i don't think that israel or frankly the united states are going to go along with those preconditions. and i think the only way negotiations are going to get restarted is if they're unconditional. and you know, one thing we haven't focused on very much in all of the talk about obama and netanyahu is that the
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relationship between president obama and president abbas in the palestinian authority is almost nonexistent. president abbas has given lots of interviews where he essentially blames president obama for leaving him out on a limb with the settlement freeze. and that's a relationship that needs to be reset, as well. but frankly, it'll be much more difficult because the palestinians aren't in a frame of mind right now to have negotiations. >> i want to bring in senator bob kasey, a member of the foreign relations committee. good to see you, senator, good morning. >> good to be with you, thank you. >> he and prime minister netanyahu as we've been talking about have had their differences. how important do you think some old-fashioned one-on-one time might be this week? >> well, i think that helps, but i think the personal relationship between two leaders is of less consequence and significance than what they do together. and in this case, you have really a very strong, unshakable bond and a relationship that has led to a worldwide consensus on
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sanctioning the iranian regime to stop their nuclear program. you also have the great cooperation between our two governments on the iron dome, missile defense system which is no longer theory, we've seen it work and save lives and reduce the risk to people in israel. so i think it's more important what they do together than whether or not they have a personal relationship. frankly, i think some of the reporting on this is a little bit inaccurate. but that's of less significance. >> you mean in terms of their personal relationship? >> yeah, i think it's blown out of kind of -- sometimes the journalism in this takes the form of some psychology analysis. i really don't think that's the key thing. what we do together and i think that's what they'll be discussing and i'm sure they'll be able to have a good discussion. and this is a critically important time because of the threat posed by iran's nuclear program. we've got to stop that. we've made a very clear determination now that -- and i
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mean we meaning the congress and the administration that containment is not good enough that we've got to make sure we prevent nuclear weapons capability, operative word being capability. and i think there's a consensus on that here in washington and also with our friends in israel. >> well, let me ask you about another important area and that, obviously, syria because you propose legislation yesterday with marco rubio to give more help, both humanitarian and things like body armor. the u.s. is still not confirming whether or not there were chemical weapons used. let me play for you what congressman mike rogers had to say about that yesterday. >> i have a high probability to believe that chemical weapons were used. we need that final verification but given everything we know over the last year and a half, i -- i mike rogers would come to the conclusion that they are either positioned for use and ready to do that or, in fact, have been used. >> what do you think is going
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on? and what is your position on arming the rebels? >> well, first of all, with regard to the news that you just talked about, chairman rogers probably has briefings that i haven't had access to. so i don't want to speculate. we'll wait to see what we hear from our intelligence folks in the administration. but, look, if that is true, that obviously is a significant and central threat that we've got to deal with. absent that, though, i think we've got to take some and even with that, i should say, we've got to take some very focused steps to help on humanitarian relief but also in nonlethal ways. we can provide them in the vision capability and body armor or communications equipment that gives them the ability to fight without getting into an exchange of weapons. while we do that, we're going to make sure it's with very heavily vetted members of the opposition.
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and as we learn more about the opposition down the road, there might be another conversation or another debate about whether we should take the step of arming them. i'm not there yet, i think we've got to take these other steps, which can be very constructive. not only as it relates to the fighting, but also take constructive steps as it relates to what happens after assad leaves and we're certainly hoping for that day to be upon us. >> senator, bob casey, thank you so much. it's good to see you. >> thanks, chris. we were watching -- it was a ceremonial tree planting ceremony. but in the meantime, ambassador, let me ask you a little bit more about syria. and we heard both president obama and netanyahu reference the changing region. let me ask you about your -- your thoughts on arming the rebels. should we or what might happen to get us to that point. what do you imagine these conversations over syria are going to be like? >> this creeping incrementalism
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that we have engaged in over syria is for all intents and purposes is not going to really change the equation on the ground. we have so marginalized ourselves with respect to the events on the ground in syria. the rule and reason that the united states could comply is more or less dissipated. most are furious at the united states for not doing enough, depending on which side you talk to and which group you can wind up talking to. and so this debate, there's a dysfunction dysfunctionalty. almost an incomprehensible gulf between the debate here in the united states about arming the rebels and the fact that there are 70,000 people dead already, hundreds of thousands who are refugees, and most of the syrians who are sitting in those refugee camps will never give the united states credit for maybe finally -- what are we going to wait for? another 30,000 to be killed before we finally reach that point? it's really not going to make any difference inso far as how
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we're viewed by the syrians at this point. and that really in the end is the shame of it all. >> you mentioned the refugees, i think the latest number i saw, we should say the president is going to be heading to jordan on friday. 450,000 syrians have fled there. the refugee camps are absolutely overwhelmed. michael, do you agree with the ambassador that the u.s., though, is marginalized in all of this? >> unfortunately, i think, ambassador ginsburg is exactly right. that the united states seems oddly sort of paralyzed on this issue. and we are moving very incrementally, very slowly. and our allies in the region just don't really understand it. you know, i was testifying at the senate foreign relations committee yesterday, and the international representatives, the ngo representatives who had been to the refugee camps are reporting that people are resentful toward the united states, even more so, perhaps, than countries like russia because they see us as their natural ally, their friends as the ones that won't be helping.
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the united states has provided a lot of aid, a lot of humanitarian relief. but we're not doing much to help them win their war against assad and that's what they're identifying. >> thank you so much. >> sure, chris. >> for your insights today. always great to have you on the program. >> thanks. it's back to school for 15-year-old malalah. shot in the head in october. it's been just a few weeks since malala had her latest surgery to repair her skull. she says she misses her classmates back in pakistan but looking forward to going to school in the uk. >> i think it is the happiest moment that i'm going back to my school. and today i will have my books, my bag and i will talk to my friends. i will talk to my teacher. and i think there's no important day than this day. s ] you're probably muddling through allergies.
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at 2:00 eastern time, the senate judiciary committee will hear arguments on immigration reform. now, the urgency is clearly there, but the path to change isn't necessarily. the latest example, rand paul just yesterday called for comprehensive change before a crowd of hispanic business leaders. but he never used the word citizenship and says a secure border has to come first. behind the scenes right now, some senators are working on provisions for a path to citizenship. what does it all mean? joining me to talk about what that path could look like, nbc latino contributor raul reyes. it's good to see you. >> good morning. >> can we talk about rand paul first? because immediately his office pushes back on the whole idea of citizenship. but did you hear something that suggested to you that he's having a change of heart? that could, in fact, be
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influential with other conservatives? >> yes, absolutely. and i think, i would venture to say that maybe we've reached a tipping point. in broad strokes, it's complicated. you know, he -- first he says he's in favor of path to citizenship but doesn't want to use the words, but he is speaking about it. but that in itself, that is tremendous because look at who he is, you know, he won the cpac poll, he's a likely 2016 candidate. he represents the tea party. for him to be publicly giving himself this kind of political makeover, that's unprecedented and shows we've reached a point where virtually every major republican figure is on board for comprehensive reform. it's huge. >> you have a pragmatic reason for a lot of the republicans -- latinos make up 10% of the electorate they favor president obama, 71% to 27%, and then, you know, the rnc put out this autopsy on the election. >> right. >> and it clearly states, quote, we must embrace and champion comprehensive immigration reform.
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if we do not, our party's appeal will continue to shrink to its core constituencies only. does it matter if it's pragmatism or not? whether they really want it or not. >> i'm not sure how much it matters. the important thing is it's happening. and especially for the young people, the dreamers, for so many people who have been struggling and looking for a way to be part of this country, it does matter. and for the republicans, it's not just a question of, say, political survival, there really is a tremendous potential for rewards for them. because polling by latino decisions shows that about 1/3 of latinos would be open to a republican candidate if the gop supports immigration reform. so there's a big benefit for them there. but looking at comprehensive reform, one thing to remember when rand paul and other leaders talk about people going to the back of the line or not wanting to create a special path. what we're doing as we talk about immigration reform, comprehensive reform, that is
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creating the path, that is making the line, because right now there isn't one. that's what we have -- >> i guess the complication is what will that path look like? and how many sort of requirements will there be along the way? we've got the bipartisan group of senators who are working on something. they say they're on track to unveil something, maybe the end of this month, early april. what do you think that might look like? >> i think right now what the senate is favoring ten-year wait for naturalization before you can apply -- three years for citizenship while the white house, they have -- in the leaked report they favored 8-5, either way, you're looking at about 13-year period, which is considerable and the polling among latinos from latino decisions shows that latinos want a waiting period of -- and this is voters. they want a waiting period of roughly five years. so there are many parameters to be worked out here. but the fact is that conservatives are coalescing around this issue, it seems to
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be happening and the momentum is there. that's tremendous for our community and for the country, for this issue. it's a big deal. >> raul reyes, thanks for coming in. always good to see you here. the pentagon has banned the use of 60 millimeter mortars and firing tubes until an investigation. seven marines died when a mortar round unexpectedly exploded during a training exercise in the nevada desert, eight others were hurt. people in the small community of hawthorne held a memorial service last night to remember the marines lost. ave diabetic n. i worked a patrol unit for 17 years in the city of baltimore. when i first started experiencing the pain, it's hard to describe because you have a numbness but yet you have the pain like thousands of needles sticking in your foot. it was progressively getting worse, and at that point, i knew i had to do something. when i went back to my health care professional, that's when she suggested the lyrica. once i started taking the lyrica, the pain started subsiding. [ male announcer ] it's known that diabetes damages nerves.
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she's decided to run. they're calling it a vote-a-rama. in the chamber that's usually slow to move. senators will be allowed to offer unlimited amendments to the budget. attorney general eric holder is back to work today after taking leave to do his civic duty. the former judge reported for jury duty yesterday. he was dismissed. and a new children's book teaches kids about the national debt. now, the villain in "mr. penny and the dragon of domeville" is a dragon that eats money, designed to represent a bloated federal government. the author says he wants to remind kids and their families that the country is in trouble. and if you read only one thing this morning, a lot of pundits have predicted the new pope, francis, may surprise people. well, today the "new york times" reports on how he once suggested compromise on gay marriage. up on our facebook page. a trimmer? no. we got nothing.
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coming up on half past the hour. and breaking news out of france, nbc news has confirmed that the head of the international monetary fund has had her apartment in paris searched. all goes back to the sale in 2007 of adidas. and she's beinging investigated to see if she participated in the abuse of public funds. she says she is innocent and does not plan to step down as imf chief. meantime, mark sanford has completed phase one of his improbable comeback. once the butt of jokes, he finished first last night among 16 republican candidates with an impressive 37% of the vote. and he's advanced to next month's republican runoff for an open congressional seat. over on the democratic side, elizabeth colbert-bush easily won the democratic primary. now sanford's showing leads us to the question, what
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separates the political wrecks from the rebounders? >> indeed i did have a relationship with ms. lewinski that wasn't appropriate. >> i have not been honest with myself, my family, my constituents, my friends, and supporters and the media. >> here to talk about political comebacks, democratic strategist and former edwards campaign communications director chris kafinas. good morning to you both. >> thanks for having me. >> so, kristen, sanford was having an extramarital affair with an argentinian woman. hiking in the appalachian trail became synonymous with cheating for a while. did you think you'd ever see this? what we saw last night? >> i didn't think so. but as soon as he entered the race, hooest got the sort of name i.d. that would make him a strong contender. let's not forget besides, if you set aside this very public
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personal failing, he was very popular as governor. he was actually talked about as a potential contender for the republican nomination for president at one point. so, you know, he was well liked setting aside this one really public personal foible. makes a little more sense when you think about it in that context. >> well, meantime, former new york congressman anthony weiner is another politician most people left for dead after he resigned in that sexting scandal in 2001. now i'm sure as you know, chris, he's eyeing a run for new york city mayor and the "wall street journal" reports he's already spent more than $100,000 on polling and research this month. is he going to make a comeback too, do you think? >> well, i guess you could never underestimate the desire of former politicians to become current politicians. i think it's possible -- i mean, it depends on -- a lot of this depends on where you're running. with sanford, he was running his old district. it's a congressional race, very different dynamics than, say, if you're running for governor, let
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alone if you're running for national office. you know, and congressman weiner's position, in terms of running for mayor, a little bit more challenging, a lot more serious opponents. that, i think, becomes more of a difficult road to go down. but, you know, i guess it's possible. it really kind of depends on how you reintroduce yourself. becomes very difficult depending on the type of scandal you went through. and he went through a doozy. >> let me name some other names in that case. you've got louisiana senator david vitter surviving a prostitution scandal, bill clinton has never been more popular. on the other side, john edwards and larry craig, of course, of the infamous bathroom footsies. what do you think separates someone who can come back from someone who doesn't? >> i think if you look at a lot of people who have come back. bill clinton being perhaps the best example. someone who was able to sort of get back to focusing on
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substance and allow that sort of salacious conversation to become a side conversation. for someone like mark sanford, in order to have a big rebound, he's going to have to focus on things like his record as governor, things that make him popular from a policy perspective so that the conversation isn't just one about personality. >> is it mostly about that, do you think, chris? or is the key you've got to apologize and look somewhat sincere? you've got to get punished and seem to suffer. more than just, say, get your name recognition up by being mocked by leno and letterman. >> you can never underestimate the ability of the american people to forgive someone. that is a truism of politics. that being said, you know, for a politician to go out there and say sorry after they made a big mistake, that's not a profound strategy. it really is a long road to basically rehabilitate yourself. and it's more than just saying it, you've got to do something like substantive. and i think some of the mistakes that some of these politicians who have been in these scandals,
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and i know a couple -- >> worked for at least one. okay. >> yeah, exactly. >> and so i think the problem i think -- the mistake they make is not being serious about how they come back. they jump too fast. i think sanford is jumping too fast, i think congressman weiner is jumping too fast. you've got to step back sometimes and do something nonpolitical in order to become more established, more credible again. and that doesn't always, i think, happen because they're so eager to get back in the game. >> yeah, and i wonder, kristen, too, if you have to know somebody who you can really listen to and have the humility after going through a humiliating experience to listen to someone from the outside who has a little more perspective than the sycophants who hang around and say, don't let this get you down, you know? >> yeah, i think that's got to be a really important thing for a politician who falls out of the limelight. though, i would say going through a scandal, you probably lose a lot of the sycophants along the way because you become damaged goods. in a weird way, going through one of these scandals where
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you've done something terrible and suddenly your stock has fallen a lot, i suppose at the end of that you find out who your true friends are who are the ones sticking by you. i think a good humbling is probably very good for most pop tigss. and maybe what's enabling some of these comebacks. >> kristen, chris, thank you, both. >> thanks for having us. and checking the news feed this morning. colorado police say a gunman is on the loose after killing the head of the state's corrections department. tom clements was shot when he answered his front door last night. police are going door-to-door and searching the nearby woods for the suspect. saying he's never worked with a better person than tom. police have released new video that shows their response to a 911 call at the university of central florida. police say he pulled a fire alarm as part of his planned shooting plot. his roommate called 911 after the suspect pulled the gun on him. >> like a gun, like large
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assault gun. i don't know if it's a real gun. i don't know what it is, but i just saw it. i slammed my door shut and locked it. >> police found the would be shooter dead along with guns, ammunition and explosive devices. several major south korean banks and broadcasters are at a stand still today after their computer systems were hacked. south korea is investigating. the shutdowns come just days after north korea accused the south and the u.s. for cyber attacks that shut down websites in pyongyang. the statue of liberty will reopen to visitors on the fourth of july. hurricane sandy submerged 75% of liberty island but spared the statue. workers are building a new dock, improving electrical systems and repairing flooded buildings. lululemon is anticipating a temporary shortage of yoga pants in the stores after recalling its black luon style. customers complained the pants were see through. the company is trying to figure out what happened.
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the pants sell for between $70 and $10 0. a california teenager has high hopes, asking model kate upton to his prom in a youtube video. 17-year-old jake davidson got the surprise of his life. >> joining us on the phone is the woman herself, kate upton. good morning to you. >> what? >> good morning. >> jake, kate. >> jake's not speaking. >> hi, kate. nice -- >> how do you feel? i can't believe you're on the show and everything now. it's amazing. >> this -- this just got so much better now that you're on the phone. >> but it did, of course, kate upton, "sports illustrated" swim suit cover model. she said, yes, if her schedule allows. in any case, she says she hopes to meet him at some point. investors on wall street keeping a nervous eyen on the tiny island of cyprus.
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michelle caruso-cabrera. what is this controversy all about? >> reporter: well, this country about six months ago went to the other countries in europe and said we need a lot of help. we need 17 billion euros because we have a bank that's on the verge of collapse and we need -- we've gotten less tax revenue because of the recession. and so, remember, the europeans have already bailed out greece, portugal, ireland. so when cyprus went to them, we'll lend you $10 billion. you guys have to come up with $7 billion. and the way the cyprus economy is structured, it's almost all banks. huge banks relative to the size of the economy. and so the solution they came up with was taxing deposits in banks. that has turned out to be incredibly controversial. last night the parliament here voted it down even though there had been intense negotiations for weeks about it. now today, it's about plan "b"
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and it's not clear whether there will be a plan "b." the banks are closed, only get money out of atms, the financial system here on the verge of collapse. and if things don't get resolved quickly, this could be the first country that leaves the euro, chris. >> obviously, investors around the world are watching this really closely. what about here in the u.s.? what kind of repercussions might we feel here? >> well, the biggest repercussion that we saw is when they decided they were going to tax the deposits in banks, just like we have in the united states where we know that if one of our banks fails, we are protected up to a certain amount, 250,000, they have that law in europe, as well, 100,000 euros, but by doing a tax below 100,000, they violated this idea that there was a lot of insurance behind your bank deposits. and so now there's a growing concern about whether other people in other parts of europe, in italy and spain, whether they're going to be worried that
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if things get really bad in their countries, are they going to lose money in their bank accounts too? even though they're supposedly insured. that's what we're watching for. >> michelle caruso-cabrera, thank you so much. some u.s. cities recently plagued by the housing crisis are actually seeing a population boom. forbes is out with its list of fastest growing cities, some of them surprised me. charlotte, north carolina's population up almost 33% since 2000. orlando, 34%, vegas almost 44%. at number two, austin's population has grown 45%. the fastest growing u.s. city is raleigh, north carolina. up almost 48% in the past 12 years. a link to the full list up on our website [ female announcer ] research suggests cell health
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waiting to give your newborn peanuts, milk, fish or eggs due to food allergy concerns? new recommendations suggest these foods can be safely given to children as young as four months contrary to prior recommendations of waiting up to age 3 and may prevent food allergies later in life. in less than two hours, the governor of colorado will sign the most aggressive set of gun control laws outside the northeast. in a state that's always prized the second amendment, but also saw two mass shootings. the bill includes a 15-ammunition limit on magazines and leaves the bill for the background checks to the gun buyer. nationally the news was different, an assault weapons ban will not be in the proposed gun bill. instead, that will be voted on as a separate amendment, which means dead in the water. i'm joined now live by john
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rosenthall. good mortgage. >> thanks, chris. >> senator reid argued that stripping away the assault weapons ban makes the bill more passable. it would leave a bill that would require universal background checks, gun-trafficking a federal crime. a program that gives funding for school security. do you think harry reid made a good move? >> well, it's disappointing. but he's done the calculus and knows that an assault weapon bill will not pass the senate. sadly, i think he also knows that even in the democratically controlled senate, a background check for criminals, a universal background check for all of gun sales, including for criminals will not pass the senate. and it was certainly not going to pass the house. so that's what we're up against. and just so everyone is clear about this, you know, i'm a law-abiding gun owner. i own firearms, i go to a gun
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store where they run a background check. but it's perfectly legal in 33 states to buy guns from private dealers without a background check. so law-abiding gun owners go to gun stores, criminals go to private gun dealers legally and buy 1,000 weapons a day. it's amazing to me that our members of congress cannot find their backbone enough to require a criminal background check for criminals. >> well, senator feinstein and obviously the assault weapons ban was really what she was pushing hardest. but she says it's the nra, it shows how much clout they have in washington. in spite of the fact that since newtown there had been some talk about whether their power had been diluted. what do you think is going on here? >> well, since newtown, over 3,000 more americans have died from guns. 87 americans that woke up today will be dead from firearms. assault weapons in these high-capacity ammunition clips are the weapons of choice and
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the common denominator in all of the mass shootings. when i go for a duck hunting license, i'm limited to three rounds to protect the duck population. but congress says it's perfectly fine for the criminals and mentally ill to have 30 and 100-round clips to fight police officers who are limited to 13 to 15 rounds. what's going on here isn't so much the nra, it's cowardice in congress. it's allowing the uniquely unregulated gun industry to buy congress and intimidate the democrats and own the republicans. until the public stands up and says 87 dead americans is too important not to act to reduce. this is going to go on. >> well, let me show people some of the senate seats up in 2014. democrats have seats up in alaska, arkansas, louisiana,
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montana, north carolina, south dakota, west virginia, states obviously where voters love their guns. but then again, an estimated 1/3 households in colorado have a firearm and they've got legislation passed. does it take mass shootings in a state to move people? what do you think will move people if that's what you believe has to be done to get more strict gun control legislation. >> well, you know, again, 87 dead americans every day doesn't seem to move america, and certainly hasn't moved congress. i mean, i was at the white house this week and meeting with members of congress up until yesterday. and you know what, the republican party is most concerned about right now is the sequester and the fact that white house tours are canceled. and the easter egg hunt has been canceled. not 87 americans killed every day from firearms. so we have a long way to go. now, i believe that the white house's calculus is that if democrats and republicans don't act on gun violence prevention,
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i mean a simple universal background check limiting ammunition clips. and the assault weapon ban. if they don't act, then we have an opportunity to change congress. and, you know the democrats are better on this than the republicans because they're just intimidated by the gun industry while republicans are owned in congress by the gun industry. we'll have to change congress in 2014 to make a dent in gun violent prevention. >> john, thank you so much for coming on the program. >> thank you, chris. today's tweet of the day comes from president barack obama's twitter handle. quote, fact, since 1968, more americans have died from gun violence than in all of america's wars combined. #timetoact. [ dog barking ] ♪ [ female announcer ] life is full of little tests, but your basic paper towel can handle them.
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as we showed you at the top of the hour, president obama is in israel for his first trip there as commander in chief.
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just a couple of hours ago, he got a firsthand look at israel's iron dome missile defense system. israeli prime minister benjamin netanyahu took the president on a tour of the defense system that the u.s. has poured hundreds of millions of dollars into to protect israel from rocket attacks. richard lui here now with the drill down of how this high-tech iron dome defense system works. good morning, richard. >> good morning, chris. iron dome offers israel protection without parallel. here's a challenge, israel has faced hailstorms of missiles from the north and hezbollah and more frequently from the south and the gaza strip where militant forces lob rockets dozens at a time. israelis running for cover, some 4,000 rockets have been launched since 2005 from gaza says "time" magazine. but then iron dome was developed.
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>> after just months in action, performed at success rates that normally takes years, the systems are mobile, trucked around the 8,000 square miles of israel depending on where conflicts exist. now, iron dome's key parts include a 20-missile battery and this transmission station which i'll show you here. this transmission station is just part of that. and the way the system works is there's a ground radar section that detects enemy missiles once they're launched. and you can see them here on the right-hand side. and what happens is iron dome intercepters are deployed in response. they are faster than the enemy missile and can get them head on or explode when they get close. the concept results in what israeli officials say is an 84% effectiveness rate unheard of before in missile defense systems. the reason why it's more effective, it ignores enemy missiles going into farmlands
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and rural areas, saving the intercepters for populated areas and uses stronger wide reaching ground radar to scan the skies. before, all the radar was built into the intercepter itself. now, fewer eyes or radar devices means huge savings. iron dome is $3,000 each missile versus $300,000 for other designs such as the patriot. israel can't rest easy, chris, it only has five systems at the moment, needs 15 to cover the entire country. the u.s. is giving $300 million to help, an amount almost equal to what the obama administration gave earlier. one questions critics asked now with iron dome and missile resistant bus stops in schools such as these as you see here, does it embolden israel? >> conversation for another day. richard lui, thank you. that's going to wrap up this hour, i'm chris jansing, alex
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