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>> july 4. that was the initial day the accused marathon bombers decided to carry out their attacks on boston. we're now learning they assembled those bombs inside the older tsarnaev brother's home and finished assembling them far sooner than expected. instead of carrying out the reign of terror on the independents day celebration, they instead decided to target one of the largest marathons in the world. we know what happened next. pete william is in washington with the latest. explain what we learned today about new security checks for student visas. >> well, back to what you said a moment ago. we have to remember, this is all according to what dzhokhar tsarnaev has told his interrogators. this is based on his word. some of this will be very difficult to verify because presumably, only he and his brother know for sure what their plans were. and of course, his brother is dead. so it is going to be difficult to verify some of this. it may never be possible to know precisely what their plans were. but that's what they have told
the interrogators. that's what dzhokhar tsarnaev has told interrogators. the student visa question arises because of one of the three friends that were chargedier this week with taking things out of his dorm room. two of them ultimately accused of throwing away his backpack that was eventually recovered. one of those students had been a student at the university of massachusetts dartmouth campus. then left to go home for a while to kazakhstan. that meant during the time that student was gone, the student visa was suspended. he was still allowed to come into the u.s. because the examining officer at the airport didn't know that the visa was suspended. once he got back, he reenrolled and the visa was active again. nonetheless the department of homeland security said it wants to get more up to date information to those officers so that they'll know the status of someone who is here on a student visa. a it is a tiny loophole that they're trying to close. in this whole student visa problem, which is a tracking
problem which has been huge ever since 9/11. this is the latest effort to try to button that up. >> all right. thanks for that. let me bring in clark kent irvin, the former inspector general for the department of homeland security. welcome. we have a small cell, low tech equipment that you can buy anywhere. they weren't communicating with people overseas as best we know. homeland security is built to combat al qaeda. how do you deal with this low tech, small cell situation include may be seeing more and more of in the future? >> well, that's exactly right. really, this is counter terrorism officials' nightmare. it is not easy to track down a sophisticated network like al qaeda. but it is far easier to do that than it is to track down these lone wolves or small groups who don't communicate with people. we're learning how improvisational this plan was.
that's what pete just reported. it is very difficult indeed. >> when we hear dzhokhar tell authorities, according to the government's account, that the original plan was to go at july 4th gatherings, and then they expedited it to april 15 which is symbolic for patriots day and of course, the gathering at the marathon. do we have any insight into whether these kinds of suspects are looking for maximum damage in term of the people assembled? or these symbolic events important to us as americans. >> it is really both. terrorists want to do a couple of things. they want to maximize the number of people that they kill and injure. and then they want to terrorize everybody else. the way to do that is to pick these iconic targets on iconic days, to maximum applies the media attention. to maximize the public and psychic impact. and also, if you do it on a soft target and there is no softer target than 26 mile of open road, it is far easier to do
that than on a hard target like a military installation or a government building or even something like the world trade center towers. so the combination of these factors makes for a nightmare scenario. it will be very, very difficult to present -- to prevent these thing 100% of the time. >> clark, the other thing pete was talking about was the reform to the student visa system by dhs. how important is it to close that hole? and what other hole do you think still exist that we still need to work on and reform? >> that's a great question, krystal. we've been dealing with this student visa issue ever since 9/11, as pete pointed out. that was an issue then. a number of hijackers were students. we've gotten better but this is a tiny loophole still to be closed. another concern is the fbi watch list. the cia watch list. it is not clear even though the elder tsarnaev was on an fbi list, cia list, it is unclear
whether there would have been the ability to question him when he left the country and when he came back to the country. whether that was legally permissible. if it was legally permissible, it ought to have been done under these circumstances. if it wasn't legally permissible, then that is a change that needs to be made in the law. these hearings that will take place i think starting next week in the house and consequently the senate will be key to finding out the answers to those questions. >> and clark, some investigators have been looking into the mosque that tamerlan tsarnaev was attending in cambridge. i'm wondering while we have you, if you can tell me your thoughts on the nypd mosque surveillance program. it is a controversial program but it has the support of mayor bloomberg and even some muslim leaders. is that something that you think can work? should it be replicated around the country? >> i think that, every counter terrorism expert thinks the new york police department really is the gold standard for downer trifl in the country. mayor bloomberg, commissioner
kelly have done a terrific job of reaching out to the muslim xlun community. finding allies to work with the muslim community to make it clear that the vast majority of muslims, like christians and jews and every other person in the country is not a terrorist threat. then finding allies there and helping, getting the muslim community to help the police to identify that subset that is of concern. in my own view, as you say, it is hugely controversial. i think this ought to be replicated around the country. >> we know profiling is not the answer. and as you asked the question yesterday, a lot of muslims are helping look out for people who are radical in their own xlun s communities. >> as is the case with the nypd program. >> we're not at war with islam. many are helping us rout out the more radical members. but the threat from home grown
terror, how do they need to look at more at people on the shores than people in other countries? >> to some degree we're a victim of our own successful thanks to the efforts since 9/11, it is much harder to come from outside the country to attack us here. as you say, the greater threat nowadays is the home grown threat. i think the answer to that is, we need to get a better understanding of what it is that can contribute to radicalization. speaking of the nypd again, back in 2007, their intelligence division did a terrific ground report about just that. the four stages of radicalization. invariably, there is some event, some signal event, eat in one's personal life or some external event and sometimes both that can lead the radicalization. then you identify with people who share your views and they push you toward it. that's what happened in the
elder tsarnaev case. this boxing was such a key part of his identity. when he was not able to compete in this match. when in his view, the reason was because he was a foreigner and not an american. not a native born american. that really set him off. and then external event was his concern about afghanistan and iraq and this notion that muslims everywhere are under siege by the west in general, the united states in particular. the combination of these factors. when he wept to the mosque and sought out like minded people, he was further radicalized. you had a combustible force that ignited on patriots day. >> people wonder where superman is. he is right here, clark kent irvin. >> thank you. it's the best number in four years, wall street breaking records. but it is being called a broken record. let's wish the legendary james brown a happy birthday.
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and that 332,000 is the highest monthly gain since 2010. even the poor initial number of 88,000 in march was revised up by 50,000. and on wall street, it is a party with a big day of gaming at the markets and records being set. we have our dynamic duo back. jarod, start with you. you must be dancing with joy, right? >> no, no, i'm not disastering with joy. i'm sort of shuffling about with some okay feelings. basically, look. especially with the revisions that you mentioned and they're big and they go in the right direction. i.e., up. there are two messages. the first mention is that we're doing better than we thought we were. we're talking about this last month based on those earlier numbers. it was gloomier. we're doing better than we thought we were. my view, we're just doing okay. the unemployment rate is coming down. that's good.
it is coming down too slowly. if you kind of average out over the past bunch of months, we're adding around 160,000 to 170,000 jobs a month. averaging out all the monthly noise. that's fast enough to slowly bring the unemployment rate down. if we could get rid of some of these nasty fiscal head wins, we could be doing better. putting more pressure on wages so that people might be able to enjoy some of the benefits of this recovery, more so than they have as we speak. >> so peter, if he is doing a slow shuffle, are you doing sort of a morose mope? what is your take? >> well, i don't know if we are that far apart. 160,000, 170,000 jobs a month is half of what we need to make the kinds of progress that jarod is about. we need 360,000 a month to get unemployment down to where we need it to be and we should be able to do that. and we do have a lot of fiscal head winds. but it is not the $44 billion in
sequester spending cuts. that's a be pro. with the real problem, the $165 tax increase which is now starting to bite. and i'm getting quite fearful that growth in the second quarter is going to be a lot slower. and a lot of good democrats who work for wall street banks agree with me. that they're very concerned that growth is going to be a lot slower. this may be the best we get for a while. that bothers me. >> go ahead. >> i was going to make a comment. did i some number crunching and i think you may have recreated a graft that i put together earlier. it gets to this issue that we're talking about. at this point in the 1990s recovery, pay rolls were increasing by about 3.5% a year. now they're increasing at less than half that rate. about 1.5% per year. if you apply the pay roe growth that we enjoyed back then to these numbers, the unemployment rate would be in the mid sixes or even lower. >> jarod, i don't know what that
graph says. i'm sorry, man. i think i need a class from you to break that down. more time than we have in this block. what have you got? >> it is friday afternoon. >> i'll happy any day he brings a reaggression analysis here. >> i'm glad to see he crunches some numbers. that's encouraging. >> below! >> snap! a little heat and shame. >> iced. >> a little time on television. >> a little shame from the bow tie there. i want to ask you, we're not going to see this shift, monetary policy based on what bernanke has told us. buying about $85 billion a month. interest rates stay low. so i think we want a little real talk from you. economists talk about the liquidity trap. the idea that in a bad market, people will stay in cash and that's obviously bad for the wider investment opportunities that we want to see. could you in good conscience given this jobs report and the fact the stock market seems overvalued, would you really be telling people to put their
money in bonds or stocks when they could use it? >> i do think the stock market is bate overvalued. especially if peter is right about a slowing growth perspective. if it is overvalued, it is not overvalued by much. the thing you have to understand, this is characteristic of i think a deeper problem in the economy. corporate america is actually very profitable. if you depend on a paycheck, you're not doing so well. if you depend on a stock or a bond portfolio, particularly equities, you're doing great. and so a lot of that has to do with this absence of kind of trickle down. the reason you're not getting that is because the job market, while it is improving, has not been strong enough to create the pressure on employers that would lead to a more equitable distribution of the growth we've seen. so you know, i might be in the stock market. but what i rae worry about is that the stock market is the only thing that's going up with some real alacrity.
>> can i have that question? >> if you're worried about the next quarter, the stock market may be overvalued. if you're worried about the next five to ten years, nice young people like you folks, you should be putting your money in the market. and you should be putting it, you know, a little bit each month. it really isn't terribly overvalued. and there is a lot to be optimistic about when it come to the u.s. economy. the pace of innovation, the improvements in manufacturing. the oil and gas fines we're getting. we're having some differences in agreement about how to jump start and exploit all this stuff. but long material, the profitability of the u.s. economy should be very strong. if you talk about putting your money in today and taking it out in 60 days, you may be in for a heart attack. talk about putting it in today and leaving 30th, i think you'll be very happy that you listened to me five years ago. >> why are you nicer to us than jarod? >> that's the way it is. >> the point is that you might be right about profitability.
it is one of the few variables in the economy that looks really good. but while it may be talking about our stock port foal yoerg let's face it. the vast majority of americans depend on their paycheck. and what is troubling is the disconnect between profitability and middle class incomes. that doesn't get better until the labor market improves a lot. >> since you both want to answer all the questions, this is for both of you. i'll throw to it peter because he throws more interesting jabs than you do, jared. the unemployment 58th what everybody wants to talk about, peter, it is a bit of a mirage. the more important number is the participation rate. that is at an historic low. >> absolutely. that's why unemployment will be so difficult to take down. with the participation rate that low, it means as we start to create more jobs, people will come back. a the lot of that is people between 50 and 65.
they are burning up their iras. it will be difficult to bring the unemployment rate back down. that is a considerable challenge. about the same percentage of people are employed today as were four years ago and that's not a good number. >> i disagree. i don't think it is going to be, there's no rocket science to bringing the unemployment rate down. and yes, there are some people retiring and more people out of the game because there's not enough labor/demand. what we played the to do is to get this economy growing. not aunderlying 2% rate but something closer to 3 or 4%. if you look at the economics of the sequester and some of the tax measures that peter talked about, especially getting rid of the pay roll tax break. that bites people right in their paycheck. again, if we got rid of these fiscal head winds, we would have faster growth and lower unemployment. this is not that complicated. and we shouldn't make it that complicated. >> was that a jab at peter?
>> it is not that complicated. >> i think it is pretty straightforward. >> what people don't realize about television magic is that you two are in the same location, one room apart from one another. i can't wait to see the fireworks when you guys leave. peter, let me ask you this. the economic policy institute economist today reported that there are still 8.6 million jobs missing from the u.s. economy when you factor in population growth. at this rate, it will take about five more years to get back to prerecession job market. is that a good pace or does that get into the two slow recovery territory? >> that's complimentary to what we've been talking about. if we continue to grow at the pace we're at, it will take some five to seven years, if ever, to get unemployment down to an acceptable level. if we had 6 to 7% unemployment, the kind is terrible. about half the college graduates working as baristas or walmart or something like that.
we're really not putting them properly to work. and that's very, very disturbing, too. while i am hardly soul mates with them, really, i'm not. it has to be taken seriously. i think the number are serious number that have to be given some credibility. >> fun as always. >> keep it clean out there. >> i am here in the gambling capital of the world. i'm also in the unemployment and foreclosure capital. coming up, a man who advised on foreign policy. he said it is time we place a bet on ourselves.
where are the biggest threats coming from? you might say iran. our biggest threat come from within. we have to clean up our house. he is not talking about home grown terror. he says we have jeopardized our power on the world stage by compromising the domestic foundations of our power. and only through greater investment inside our borders can we keep our ability to lead globally from diminishing. that's the thesis of foreign policy begins at home. a fantastic new book by richard haass. an honor to have you on the show. >> you just did a better job of describing my book than i'm able to do. >> if you want me to do your book tour for you, i have no problem with that. >> consider yourself booked. >> take him on the book tour. >> not my first rodeo, krystal. you say we need to perform to remain rich enough globally to remain the world leader.
quote, americans always do the right thing after they try everything else. do you think we'll end up doing the right thing or we'll do it once it is too late and we've lost our status as the world leader? >> i think we'll ultimately do it. the real question is whether it takes a crisis to get us there. and if that's the case, that's the worst possible circumstances to start turning things around. think about greece, think about what's going on throughout southern europe. we don't want to find ourselves in those kinds of straits. i can sit here and give you an easy answer, a glib answer and say of course we'll get it right. the answer is we may not. so far at least, at best, the jury is out and probably skeptical. we haven't begun to tackle long term entitlements. what recently lamd on background checks and gun control does not give you a sense that our political system is working. we'll have a test on immigration reform. all things being equal over the last few years, you have to be discouraged by what's going on inside the beltway in
washington. >> i want to echo toure's comments that it is an honor to have you here. it really is. i want to ask you about the economy. folks like jim demint have said balancing the budget is a moral imperative. when we're a prosperous country we can be a generous country. at home and abroad. whether it is taking care of our own poor and sick. where would you rank balancing a budget within our list of priorities? >> i don't think balancing a budget, there is anything particularly sacred about that. what you want to do, more important, you want to grow. and you want to keep the level of debt. and the ratio of debt to the size of your economy under control. there are time in history when the last thing you wanted was a balanced budget when you need to stimulate. that's the whole core. there are other times you want to go in the opposite direction. >> yes. >> to me the real question is how do we grow?
so we can do all the things we need to do and should do be it at home, fix our schools, k-12. fix our infrastructure, our airports, our roads, our trains. get people back to work. put into place lifelong education. what we need to do is things abroad. i think we need to do more in asia where the great powers are colliding. i would say we probably need to do a bit less in the middle east. we may want to do more for ethical and moral reasons torborg fight disease around the world. all of this takes resources. what worries me is the resources won't be available just paying the interest on the debt is going to start crowding things out. as will the fact that when the babyboomers start retiring as their medical bills go up, i worry there won't be enough left for good old-fashioned investment. >> on that point, you talk about the moral core of the foreign policy. i finished your book and i was not sure whether it was a realist book or a humanitarian book in terms of the foreign policy perspective. maybe deliberately so because it
is nuanced and you've spent time in both national security and diplomatic posts for several administrations. it seem where we are currently facing that test in the most severe way is in the middle east which you write is the least successful politically speaking. the least successful region in the entire world. that while we might wish to support democracy there, that often leads to islamist agendas and outcomes that we wouldn't support even if we would support the process. what do you think we should do in applying a realist or humanitarian foreign policy in the middle east and specifically, in syria today? >> well, syria is a good test case. i don't think we want to ignore it. there is already probably a million refugees. close to 100,000 people have lost their lives. it is a geo political battleground that could spret and destabilize and be part of the world that quite honestly is already messy enough. noon, syria is only one square on the chess board.
we've got to ask ourselves two really big questions. what can we afford to invest there given everything else we need to do in the region, around the world, and here at home. and second of all, what is smart to invest there? syria has a long history. a very complicated social situation. you've got a minority government. a majority that rejects it. we shouldn't kid ourselves. it is not clear to me that even a sizable american investment would ever deliver as a result that would justify that. we can't make everything right. we cannot make every place in the world in our image. >> the flip side of that, you said we maybe need to do a little less in the middle east. a little more in asia. what would that more in asia look like? >> i love that we started a trade negotiation. that's important. we might want to have a little more air and naval presence. we want to be very active diplomatically. the last thing we want to see are clashes between china and say, an ally such as japan. that for us is a losing situation.
the other part of the world we want to do more is where the president happens to be which is mexico. if you add up mexico, canada and the united states, you've got a market now of 450 million people. we could be energy self-sufficient. we already are in many ways. we could be the engine of global economic growth. we want to get there part of the world right as well. >> you talk about how there is no invisible hand that will make the world act justly or properly. don't we do that in our own self-interests rather than as some sort of referee? >> absolutely. we do it not as a favor but we have a vested interest. to put it bluntly is not las vegas. what happens there doesn't stay there. bad stuff that happens there come here. we have a real self-interest in keeping thing stable. my only point is, if we don't do it no, one else will do it. no one else has the ability or the habits or the inclination. as you say, this world will not
organize itself. the alternative to a world that the united states leads and organizes is a world that is day on theic. that would be bad for the 7 billion people out there. it would be bad for the 300 million people here. >> if the world isn't las vegas, is it new york city, perhaps, where everybody comes? >> to some extent, yeah. borders increasingly are not barriers. everything travels for better or worse. you can have terrorists come across borders, you can have computer viruses or real viruses. you can have trade, investments, goods, services. globalization in and of itself is both positive and negative. what we want to do is take the lead in organizing the world so the poseit of. wept out and we get control of the dark side. >> thank you for being here. it is a fantastic book. best of luck with it. a quick note earlier today on msnbc, we played a sound bite from the vice president in which we stated, he was speaking about gun control, the vice president
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the soviets invaded afghanistan and hard liner took control in iran where ayatollah khomeini led the revolution. the new book, strange rebels, 1979 and the birth of the 21st century reveals how these five developments shaped the religious, economic world. and that paradigm rebuts the conventional story that the fall of communism in '89 marked the end of history. in the guest spot today, thank you for being here. >> thank you for inviting me. >> i want to start with your section on iran. you basically argue that everything we deal with in iran started in 1979. and you say specifically, that iranian revolution and the type of constitutional system that was created was institutionalized chaos. it was forced to contend and w and the executive power held by
the religious leader. has that shifted at all or is any negotiation with iran ultimately always a negotiation with the hard line religious overseer of the punitive democracy there? whenever it is in doubt, the hard line religious leaders, the supreme leader above all who really decide the issue. so i guess we can try to negotiate with them. but they're not the easiest negotiating partners. that chaos that i describe in the book, i think it still continues right now in the lead-up to the elections. we have a huge rivalry between supreme leader and mahmoud ahmadinejad, the president. so that whole issue is still very much alive. >> christian, describe the importance of the soviet invasion of afghanistan and the rise of the mujahideen. >> it was hugely important the in the 1970s, afghanistan was a country trying to develop and move toward modernization.
when the soviets came in, it triggered a war that is basically still not over. that war flooded afghanistan with weapon. it flooded pakistan with weapons. it promoted radical elements ultimately including the taliban. so i think we're living very much with the consequences of that war 30 years later. >> and margaret thatch here obviously ushered in an era of conservative economics and politics in a lot of ways. are we seeing now a sort of shift away from some of thatcher i, the rise of president obama could be seen as a shift away from that, the new coalition, we're seeing a failure in questioning of austerity policies across the world? are we at that moment again? >> well, my friend far i had zakaria wrote a piece about. this he pointed out, when thaemp promoted austerity, it was the
perfect answer to the 1970s which were really high uninflation, high unemployment, budgets out of control. and for a lot of reasons, though conditions aren't given today. now i think we're seeing a very justified critique. nobody is trying to renationalize countries in britain or europe. i think that part is unattack. >> i want to push you a little bit. for america, 1979 was also a water shed. there are many technological development that's lead to consumer and cultural developments that are massive impact on america going forward into the '80s. home video takes off. the vcr begins to become huge. the sony walkman is introduced. the compact disk begins to be sold. these have a massive impact. not only on the record of records or cds that are sold in the 1980s but the way we consume
these privately. not always the same time. and part of this sets the staining for michael jackson, prince who both came out with albums that year. and hip hop's first song, recorded song rappers, leading to the landscape that we see in the '80s. what do you think about those cultural and technological things that start in 1979 and shape the 1980s? >> that's all true. you're absolutely on to it. the moment i'm describing in my book is all about, for example, the rise of the personal computer. it is also the moment when mtv comes on for the first time. when cnn comes on for the first time, if i'm allowed to mention them. >> no, you're not. but espn and nickelodeon come on for the first time. focus on them. >> okay. in any event, you're right. >> he likes to hear that. >> christian did not mention that 1979 is the beginning of s.e. cupp. we don't talk about that. >> i was born in 1979.
i can't believe you did not mention that in your book, christian. >> we like hearing your ideas for the five most important things in '79. walkman, afghanistan, war, these are toss-ups. tough calls. >> really? really? you're going to do that on remote? >> all right. we'll see. >> thank you for joining us, christian. >> it's my pleasure. when we do come back, "the cycle" will go to the movies. our picks for the summer season. because yes, we're qualified to do that. i describe myself as a mother, a writer and a performer.
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as the third installment blasts into theaters today. it seems all shell head hasn't lost any of his charm. in eight days, the movie has made more than $307 million overseas. if the movie gurus are correct, it could make more than $200 million in the u.s. just this weekend. our facebook fans seem pretty stoked for it. randy snow is one of the many pro iron man responses we've received. while my money won't be part of this iron man's haul, the great thing is there is something for everyone. let's talk about the movies we're excited about. i can't wait for only god forgives. the new money from the director who directed drive and valhalla rising. it is about a guy who runs a thai boxing front for his family's drug organization and has to go out and avenge his
brother's death. he described it as a thriller produced as a western. all in the far east with the modern cowboy hero. looks really good. ryan gosling who toure has a big crush on. >> stop it. he is a fantastic actor. >> as he great actor. so i'm really looking forward to this. >> and his girl, eva mendez. >> naturally. >> i am pretty excited about the great gatsby which has a fantastic cast including leonardoicaprdicaprio. i read it in high school, that and the grapes of wrath had a big impact on me. i think it coming out obviously based on the scott fitzgerald book about the '20s and the excesses at that time. new money and old money and that whole world. i think it is coming out at an interesting moment when we are at a place when income and equality is back to the levels that we had in the '20s.
obviously, the '20s were precrash. now we're in a post crash world. i wonder if that has a strange familiarity to a lot of americans. >> i'm looking forward to the great >> we've got baby sitting lined up, so we're going to be there may 10th, but the film i'm looking forward this year, the new film from neil bloomcamp, who made district 9, one of the greatest films of that year. it was about apartheid or segregation with aliens. this one is is about class w warfare with matt damon and jodi foster. this guy's into edgey scripts, really smart take on science fiction and something that's coming out in 2014 that i'm looking forward to. american sniper, a friend of the show chris kyle, a late great sniper. this is going to be directed by
spielberg and starring bradley cooper as kyle. bradley cooper is on a very fast decent. got to take him very seriously as an actor. speaking of the opposite of serious, totally unqualified to do this work, so you going to sit out the segment? not sure where the shade is coming from today. are you a little lonely? was this about the walkman? >> stealing jokes from ryan now. >> there's one thing toure and i can come together on, we're both against alien apartheid. don't want to see the alien ghettos. my pick is now as highbrow as some of my colleagues. i am pumped for the hangover 3. have fun, but not too much fun. don't fight with strangers, with mike tyson and this applies to you as you're out there in vegas today, don't get married in
vegas under any circumstances. even if it seems like a good idea. the second one was kind of weak, but it still felt right. they've kept the vibe and it's a way to feel like you're partying without taking as much risk. i think that's why they work. it's like a vicarious bachelor party without having to get drugged or fight with mike tyson. >> krystal, can you and i not go see this movie together? >> yes. >> definitely a vicarious bachelor party. two was horrible. hopefully three is not. >> i can believe they're making a three, but part of me -- >> they're going to make a three. >> yeah, i guess so. >> still ahead, toure getting the final word of the week. how poetic. i had enough of feeling embarrassed about my skin.
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a new poll finds 29% of americans think an armed revolution to protect our civil liberties might be necessary in the next few years. what? 44% of republicans think yes, an armed revolt may be required and only 31% said no, it won't. what? this is part of the sigh kpsych lurking inside our gun debate and why it went the way it did. a portion of america is against all reform because they see their guns as necessary in a future u battle against the american government. this fear of the federals is also in our immigration debate
where some restrictions think mexicans are using up our welfare, killing our system which will result in every man for himself post apock liptic survivalist future. americans pay taxes and contribute millions more than they get back, but some don't let facts get in the way of a good conspiracy and some use facts to build a better conspira conspiracy. perhaps you've heard of -- dhs has recently bought a lot of ammuniti ammunition. 1.5 billion rounds in 2012. why does the government need so many bullets? could it be as they've said to train their 100,000 law enforcement officers who use about 15 million rounds a year in training? also because buying in bulk gets you a better rate or could it be that the government is trying to deprive gun owners of bullets in
preparation for armed battle against its citizens? friends believing in this stuff, that would be one thing, but congress has held a hearing to investigate those claims and a bill has been introduced to the house and senate to limit the ability of government agencies to buy ammunition. how can government function properly when a large portion of one of the major parties believes government is the enemy, an armeded battle is in the near future and congress has to respond to those beliefs and take them seriously? yes, preppers ready for life after the government collapse, they'll be eating from emergency gardens, they are tapping into something primal. self-reliance and rugged individualism, but the country built out of armed revolt against the government formed a community that makes each individual stronger. every american stronger because america is strong and because we are supposed to take care of each other. a nation of 325 million independent contractors equals divided we fall.
but sadly, we have conspiracy entrepreneurs, political televangelists selling doomsday fantasies and getting rich off of disinformation that's dangerous because they're yelling fire in a crowded theatre by telling us our paranoid fears about a coming war against the government is justified so go prepare for it. fear because americans have strong feelings about how great we were in the past, so both parties use that force. but this armed revolt madness is the crack of means and crack is -- cocaine is isa hell of a drug. >> just say no. america. to the pushers and means they're selling, which are as dangerous as any drug. okay, that does it for "the cycle" and now, a man who's going to give it to you straight, no chaser. martin bashir. >> good afternoon, it's friday,
may the 3rd. the sun is shining. it is a beautiful spring day. what better time than this to gather with 70,000 friends and worship at the alter of the nra. >> stand, fight. >> make sure our second amendment rights are respected. >> we wanted to make the 1022 look like a modern assault rifle. >> we don't mistake battles for war. >> leave our freedom alone. >> everyone who voted against it is suffering and are going to continue to suffer. >> i have a lot of concerns about that leading to a gi