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decade, if we're lucky. starting a way is not a very sure way to end a war, it is a good way it make enemies. that's all for now. "all in" with chris hayes starts now. good evening from new york. i'm chris hayes. tonight on "all in" if you think the tea party went away, think again friends. they are still here and still trying to kill obama care. while the cable world was hyper ventilating about reese witherspoon's arrest, i will tell you about the stories that got shafted in click 3. and the probably ill advised victory lap going on right now in houston, texas. the annual meeting and exhibition is in full swing tonight and one of the clear themes to emerge among the star-studded cast among convention speakers was victory.
victory over the expansion background checks for gun buyers which went down last month fo under a filibuster. the nra was itself, let's remember, invited to help negotiate and politely ending the proposal and putting everything it had into defeating it. that was a semi impressive an gross party trick on the part of the nra, but a trick they are incredibly proud of today. >> you fought and you beat president obama's misguided gun control proposals. h package that would have undermined in washington looked like an unstoppable freight train. >> can you point to what you just accomplished over the last few months bb when the entire tide of the national media and population culture was trying to erode a fundamental freedom. >> nra helped kill the expansion of background checks proposed in the senate last month and yes, that proposal small and popular
and seemed at first likely to pass. this is not the big victory of tonight's nra speakers seem to think it is. quite the opposite, in fact. celebrating the victory of killing background checks last month is a narrative in which the story ends last month. but story did not end last month. we learned by public policy polling that a half dozen senators from both parties who voted with the nra to kill background checks are suffering in the polls a as a result. the president, vice president and top senate behind the bill all vowed to press forward. and here is the strategic problem for the nra as this political fight continues. the nra purports to be a nonpartisan group. that's where their power lies. keeping democrats in parts of the country with high gun ownership afraid to cost them. that's something the nra in past has been successful add. until reisn'tly, he is not harry reid, endorsed for reelection and endorsed in 2004 and the
same year he did not support extending the assault weapons ban and the nra didn't enforce him in 2010, still had a b rating from them. a major political power because they've been able to hold sway over moderate red and purple state democrats like harry reid. but as nt ra becomes more and more clearly a partisan right wing organization it loses sway over not only harry reids but moderate republicans taking hits for towing the increasingly unpopular nra line. people are recognizing that the nra is not a nonpartisan organization. is a creature of the american political right, interested in victories by the american political right. it grows out of the culture of the american political right and embraces fringe margins of the american political right. if you want tangible evidence of that, just look at who is speaking at tonight's conference. rick perry, ted cruz, john bolton, seriously, rick santorum, paul ryan, sarah palin, scott walker.
this could be the lineup for the closing night of cpacc. sarah palin showed up with pretty much the same information she had in her cpac speech. >> the mayor trying to -- last time i saw my friend at the nra convention i was on stage doing a speech using a visual image to make a point about the big gulp ban. i took a sip of a big gulp. now i see that the mayor of new york now wants to ban public displays of legal tobacco product. can you i -- sorry. i tell ya. don't make me do it. >> and that is a pretty hilarious performance trick. of coarse the last time she saw her friends at nra conference
was cpac this year. just another stop on the right wing road show. it is clear that this is not some broad nonpartisan second amendment movement. this is a far right fringe movement full of exactly the kind of nongun related pet causes would you expect to hear from any other far right fringe movement. >> most of all, thank you to so many people o there who helped us out in the recall election last june. >> i want to thank the governor of the nra for standing with me last year. >> the governor wanted to transform america. >> this president promised americans hope and change when he first ran for office. instead he is giving us borrow and spend. >> the war on terrorism is far from over. first in benghazi on september 11th. >> for some reason the obama liberals want it disregard the tenth amendment and are trying to implement obama care and take away our liberties. >> forcing people against their
will to purchase healthcare policies that are against their relingous beliefs. >> he doesn't believe we can trust americanes it make smart healthcare choices. >> when the mainstream media stays silent, what a monstrous mass murderer of innocent babies finally goes to trial, they stay silent? they are helping freedom destroy itself. >> you'll notice, there was nothing in that montage about guns at all. the nra's power depends on channeling the mainstream of gun ownership in america. don't confuse the 10 million gun owners with the gang on stage. while they did win the short term victory, that bill could prove to be the nra's undoing. it is a classic wedge issue vote in that it separated the nra from mainstream gun owners. if they lean into that vote as they appear to be doing, and mistake it for victory, they might spell their own demise. americans will see them for wh
they are, a right wing fringe organization. raerng than the mainstream representative of governors everywhere they become less powerful. nothing better exemplifies that shift than the man taking over as nra's next president. here is a taste of his politics. >> started by generals, who didn't like the way my southern boys had the ability to shoot, and in what we call the law of northern aggression. they call it the civil war but we call it the war of northern aggression down south. those greatest charges that we can have today is to train the civilian in the use of the standard military firearm, so when they have to fight for their country, they are toward do it. also, when they are ready to fight tyranny, they are toward do it. also, when they are ready to fight tyranny, they have the wherewithal and weapons to do it. i charge you ladies and gentlemen, that that is a very
important charge for all of us to take up. >> that is a new president of the nra. last night, i stood here and talked about a gun culture that manufacturers and designs and markets guns for kids. i got a lot of responses from people rightly pointing out there are many different kind of gun culture. gun culture is not a unified thing. the organization we are talking about tonight is theed withed to the darkest part of gun culture. the part that won't tolerate the idea that anyone would object to a 5-year-old being given a gun. that's the part of gun culture the nra represents. that the part the nra is committed to promoting and advancing. joining me tonight is aerin. she is a gun owner, veteran and nra member. it is pleasure for to you join me. i want to begin with the question, why are you an nra member? >> chris, that's a great question. i work at a very progressive think tank in washington. people ask me that all the time. mainly people who have never
touched a firearm before. i'm a veteran. i'm a gun owner. i had the pleasure of working at a civilian firearm range when i came home from iraq and didn't know what to o do with myself. i got to see both sides of it. i saw the military side of the culture where the purpose is to do violence on behalf of other americans who maybe aren't willing to pick up a firearm themselves and that's fine. and then i got see the civilian side where it was more for training and skill and marksmanship. i don't see any of that reflected in the tweets and reports coming out of the nra conference tonight. it is truly disheartening. >> what is disheartening about it? the question here is, there's an emotional and visceral appeal to guns, gun ownership, culture, as an activity. then membership of the nra. which you have chosen to do. and you didn't answer the question of why you are a member, right? then the question of what the
nra is doing politically on behalf of its members. >> you may know that adolphus bush resigned and made a big statement in saying that. saying i'm withdrawing my lifetime membership, saying, i don't want to be a part of this any more. you said it, the nra is very powerful. i would hate to think that someone with my values about the second amendment, that it is my right to bear arms, just as it is your right or anyone else's right it not bear arms or be affected by gun violence. i think that's the other side of it. i don't think that people like me, people who believed that there should be background checks. that is common sense as firearm sales that we should flee from the nra. if anything, we need to be more represented. even before sandy hook, reports came out that three out of four nra members support common sense background checks. so i don't really think that i'm in the minority.
>> so how -- then how is it the case, and i should say there's a hundred million gun own percent. i was off by the ten. how is it the case that nra has -- you worked for american center of american progress. you're on my little liberal television show. you're sitting here and that's not the folks in the room in houston, texas, driving the agenda for this organization. how do you close that gap? >> i got to tell you, i'm a little concerned about the stand and fight rally that's going on tomorrow. i got to tell you, i put on the uniform, i stood, i fought, and what i want to see tomorrow isn't a rally of people saying, let's all get together and hate the other side. what i would like to see is everyone, the kind of rally i would like to see is hey, let's sit down. let's chill. let's breath and talk to the other side. the so-called gun culture isn't necessarily a culture that's reflective of me or the other gun owners that i know.
it has turned into this culture of fear that they will take away our guns. that's simply not true, chris. and the other side is guilty of it too. i see web sites like stop the nra.com. coming out. and i think to myself, hey, wait a minute, i'm the nra. i want common sense background checks. i want my well regulated militia as written in the second amendment. don't try to stop me. >> when you were working at the gun range, how much of the culture there was informed by precisely this kind of fear about the government overreach and how much of the emphasis of the culture is on the aspect of gun ownership that is about as jim porter said, being able to strike when tier any happens? the idea that guns need to be stock piled for the eventuality and we just saw a high percentage of republicans believing in armed rebellion might be necessary. how much driving the culture in the range that you worked in was a culture driven by the year of
the moment when tyranny became so intense that americans had to take up arms against it? >> well, chris, i was in los angeles. and if you know anything about los angeles and los angeles firearm regulations, it is some of the strictist in the country. maybe new york and new jersey can rival us. we gave fire instruction every saturday and sunday. it didn't affect our sales. the people there, seemed happy that -- they weren't necessarily pleased with the ten-day waiting period that is in california. but i got to tell you, it probably prevented a lot of people from coming in even making a hot-headed decision about a firearm purchase. it didn't hurt our sales any. we felt very safe. then the emphasis there was more on training and marksmanship and the art of marksmanship that i've come to love. and not on the ideologies that are clearly polar aizing. who want to come to the table with rhetoric like that?
>> eryn, if they are watching this interview and said, we should put her on take and you got to go to washington and talk to the folks, what would you tell them? >> i think that's two different audiences for me. if i'm talking about jim porter and wayne lapierre and other gun members. to jim porter and wayne lapierre, i say, you make this as transparent as possible. we are supposed to be a nonprofit nonpartisan organization. what happened. there are people, good people, who have been affected by gun violence. there are people that haven't been affected by gun violence and they don't want to be. they want to come to the table with us right now and we need to do it. to the membership, i say, speak your mind. in whatever form that you can. take to the internet. take to the stage.
and speak your mind. say like i sam saying, that we support common sense background checks. if it saves one life, it's worth it. >> eryn sepp, nra member, iraq war vet, thank you so much for joining us. >> thank you so much, chris. >> more than 32,000 gun-related fatality per year. it may surprise you how two thirds of the deaths occur and why that number is getting larger. that's next. both tylenol and bayer back & body
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in 2011, 62% were sue sidicides. middle aged americans are killing themselves at an alarming weight. from 1999 to 2010, the suicide rate among middle-age americans jumped almost 30%. that increase is more pronounced among men in their 50s. a group in which suicide rates jump over 50% in over a decade. numbers are more striking if you break them down by race. suicide rate jumped 40% between white men and women. 6% increase in black suicide rate over the same period in 3.5% increase in hispanic suicide rate. in 2010 black women had the lowest rate of suicide in the country with less than three suicides per hundred thousand. though it is not completely understood why.
national journal took notice with the headline, black women easing military suicides, question mark. there is a mystery for researchers as to what the heck is going on. and why when crime and other violence are on the decline suicide is on the rise and what we can do to reverse it. joining me tonight, dr. kelly pasner, great to have you here. >> thanks. >> let's begin with these new numbers. it was interesting to me, one of the most e-mailed stories on the new york times. there's a kind of grim fascination with the topic. also a mystery. what is going on over the last ten years that we are seeing this increase particularly among the baby boomers. what do we think is happening? >> there is never one reason. there could be multiple reasons. economic downturns we've had. baby boomers with higher rates in adolescence and that could be for various reasons, different outlook on life. more access to drugs. the national guard is an old are population. and the national guards
statistics have been going up. they literally doubled in 2010. there are other stressors that people are having to face. like caring for elderly parents. caring for unemployment kids. you know, so there are a number of factors that could be contribute together increase. but the fact is, suicide happens to be one of our world's greatest public health epidemics. leading cause of death, across the world, across ages. we are seeing this increase across the board. now in under 25 it has become the second leading cause of death, sur passion homicide for the first time ever. >> wow. i want to talk about guns and the way they intersect with suicide. there is this amazing -- guns are very lethal. as an implement, there is an effectiveness and this amazing quote, i'll always remember from this incredible new yorker piece a while back. and it is about the regret, about the fact that people who do survive suicide attempts,
there's an huge rate of resit vice em. you can intervene and make sure they don't do it again. and this is ken baldwin. he is talking about jumping off the golden gate bridge and surviving. he counted to ten and vaulted over. i still see my hands coming off the railing and across the court in flight, baldwin recalls that i instantly realized that everything i thought was unfixable was totally fixable except for having just jumped. what role does the presence of guns in households play in terms of what our overall suicide rate is? >> access to lethal weapon says one of the biggest we have. when there is this imprulsive moment that someone decides to end their life when they can't get to something to do that, they won't do it. it is a huge crisis and problem when they do have access to weapons. >> and how much more lethal are
guns than other weapons. >> the most lethal. hanging is right up there. that's why men die by suicide more than women. because women choose what people say are more painless methods. >> you said to me, as you sat down, you said this is actually a hopeful story. because we do know how to prevent it and what it do. what is the hopeful aspect. how can we reverse the trend? >> we think this is our one preventable cause of death. we know that 90% of people who die by suicide have an underlying mental illness, most of often is depression. we know with anti-depressants, the suicide rate dropped dramatically. across the world, across ages. reversing prior it their introduction. we know if we can get people treatment it will make a big difference. the fact is though that most people who need treatment do not get it. we have to work hard there. but also we need to identify the people who are suffering in silence. you know that 50% of suicides
see their primary care doctor the month before they die. 70% of elderly suicide the month before they die. we should be asking these questions the way we monitor for blood pressure. we know if we identify more and subsequently treat we can do away with this terrible cause of death. >> so we know there are interventions that we know, have worked, and can apply and bring the rate down. >> yes. >> center of suicide assessment, thank you very much. >> up next, i'll roast the stories that got way too much coverage this week and shine on stuff that got the shaft. i did?
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when unworthy stories get uncovered in the news, some stories are left in the dust. let's see which deserve our scorn and which deserve our attention. this is over under. reese witherspoon was arrested last month in georgia for disorderly conduct. first the mug shop. then the apology tour. now the dash cam arrest video. tmz posted this footage of an irate widtherspoon being arrested. >> you better not arrest me. i'm an american. you are arresting me as an
american citizen. >> this coverage is beyond. reese witherspoon will be fined because she is a famous person with a job. but many cohorts aren't so lucky. undercovered, the impact of weak job numbers and recurvery efforts on a once vital part of the american work force. as the new york times puts it, the new york states has had the highest share of employed 25 to 34-year-olds to large wealthy economies to having the lowest. te write, companies are doing more with less an companies are reluctant to hire new workers which is bad for young workers. there are job numbers on our website. you should check it out. overcovered, freak out over dna found on a fragment of one of the bombs detonated at boston marathon. federal investigators disclosed finding traces of female dna on one of the pressure cookers. that doesn't mean there was a female accomplice. it could have come from a
spectator or store clerk. but it sure did help fill air time. >> dna on one of the pressure cookers. what might it mean? >> what could it mean? >> we don't know. >> this doesn't necessarily mean anything. >> this could be a significant development. it is not clear whose dna it is. >> all we know is they have dna. they are not sure what it means. >> they do know though that it is female dna. that potentially could be significant. >> we got that one locked down. now we may not know whose dna is on the bomb fragment but we know another dna of a female is all over the sub prime mortgage. penny prits ker is a billionaire heiress. they bought a failed bank and received over half billion under tax credits for it. renamed it superior bank and superior bank bought alliance
funding which moves aggressively into sub prime lending. superior collapsed leaving many casualties behind. a banking analyst who testified tells cbs news the kinds of lending they were doing was outrageous. when superior failed there were uninsured depositors who took losses. penny pritzker took a direct line role in persuading people to park their money in a bank that was taking wild-eyed risks. a pennsylvania woman who mysteriously disappeared 11 years ago reappeared. she said she was trying to escape her problems so she walked out and vanished. last friday she turned herself in in key largo. while the media focuses on this one woman found in florida, the ability of local governments to actually govern in the state is said to all but disappear. under cover, the big government swagger of florida house republicans. state gop lawmakers are looking
to limit the power of local government. a series of bills circulating from the florida state legislature would leaf it up to the state it implement policy. the measures undercut a number of issues from gun ordinances to environmental protections. and forbid establishing a local living wage or paid sick leave. this is hypocritical by the gop's own principles. so hey, miami, you can't establish a local minimum wage. law makers in tallahassee will do that for you. it is a back door boone doggle for special interest. we'll be right back with click 3. arrison ] is there anything you would not do for your family? punch it. ♪ [ male announcer ] back here on earth, your family is your crew. you would do everything in your power to protect them.
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rips are zeroing in on the logistical problems of implementing what is fairly complimented and ambitious piece of legislation. even managing too spook a number of democrats including senator max baucus. >> with the economy stagnant, if we implement obama care now it'll kill jobs. >> still trying to figure out how to implement it. >> definitely a problem on your hands when the chief of obama care has said it will be a quote, train wreck to implement. >> i urge my friends on the other side to join with republicans and stop the train wreck. stop this train wreck before things get even worse. >> i love it when mitch mcconnell gets passionate. in the house in senate committee, on the senate floor with 36 repeal votes by
underfunding it and by challenging in the courts, but none of that has worked. here is what they are trying to do now in perhaps their most cynical move yet. they are making implementation of obama care as much as a disaster as possible so that in 2014 they can run against what a disaster it is. there are 15 states of republican governors who said they will not participate in the medicaid expansion and are setting up exchanges. that doesn't include legislators from state houses who are balking at appropriating the money it would take to make the law work. what is so absolutely craven about this that while it may very well prove to be strategy what it means is intentionally wrecking the lives of millions of people. over 5 million people will not get medicaid coverage because states opted out and there are millions more caught in a poorly or half implemented healthcare system by design by the design of republicans so focused on killing obama care they don't care who gets killed or hurt as a result. joining me tonight, senior fell
yost manhattan institute, former member of mitt romney advisory group. dr. valarie and richard kim, executive editor for thenation.com. are there any political costs to obama care as to the single plank of the republican healthcare agenda. >> only a single plank, yeah. i think there needs to be a constructive alternative but i'm not convinced that repeal will be likely in 2017. i think that if you're going invest all of your political capitol only on repeal and not on the possibility that well be stuck with this law that we don't like, and what do we do to reform it or build on it, i think that's challenging. having said so by mid term elections there will be problems with the law and so, there will be issues of rising premiums, things like that, that people hope they can run on and get elected to congress on that basis. >> is a fascinating moment in the house.
lal there last week in which they would put forward a bill of the republican vergts and it had to do with catastrophic insurens and the first place it deal with this issue of the uninsured, right? and it was repealed at the last minute. >> hi ricing. >> right, right. which is a subsidized set of money for others that can't get coverage for preexisting conditions. people in favor said we support high risk pools so why shouldn't we support this element of the law. >> but they couldn't bring it to the floor. anything associate said toxic. is this is like polarity affect.
like the two north pole magnets doing this. >> it is small and petty, concerns about the implementation are. it boils down to a logistics question. the whining is about the forms are too long. or bill is 2,000 pages or rules are too complicated to understand. those are easily addressed concerns. in fact the form is a draft form now only three pages. >> starting with 21 pages and going down to -- >> it takes seven minutes to fill it out. it is pretty easy to do. the thing that really strikes me about that is that how different that is from the death panels mean. i think this just lacks the necessary paranoia to actually have a populous right wing strategy. so i wonder in 2014, will it drive the mid term elections the way in did in 2010.
>> valarie, there was always this sense, i think what is interesting here is, there was always a sense and bill clinton said this before, that obama would be easier to attack politically than really and bill clinton said once you pass it then people come to love it and it will be there forever. and it seems to me that some democrats are now getting spooked that's not going to be the case, right? that's the max baucus line. chuck schumer made this sort of gaff in an interview about premiums going up and partly because of obama care. he today walk it back. once the plane gets through the turbulence, it is in the air and flying and it'll be a smooth ride, or the concrete implementation, this will be politically dangerous? >> i don't think it'll be politically dangerous at all. i think we are seeing so many people that were helped insome ways and once that broadens out to the rest of the country, i think people will love it. there are 3 million young adults that had health insurance that they couldn't before and that
resulted in a reduction of 1 million people uninsured in this country for the first time last year. and as a mom, i have three kids and i now can take them for their preventive cares with no co-pays. >> so here is what is fascinating. you are talking about the concrete results, right? 3 million kids. but it is genuinely unclear, that the country knows this. here is this latest fascinating pfizer foundation family polling. 42% of americans, listen to me, 42% of americans are unaware that aca is still law of the land. that's shockingly high number. that's like, where did we end up on that whole supreme court thing? 588% of uninsured. the people that law is most, whose lives the law will most change and who it is most designed to benefit, a majority of the folks who are the beneficiaries of the law passed with tremendous political risk at great political cost, don't know the law exists. >> i think both theorys are
true. there will be people who benefit from the law. that will be very active in repealing the law. so the society of actuaries, estimated that absent subsidies, the average cost of insurance in the individual market will go up 32%. now it depend, it depend on your state and income level because on the subsidies will kick in. if you are a single person who is say 30 years old and you make $who,0 $40,000 a year, your premiums will go up. that's not everybody. that's a slice of people. there will be constituent of people that will be upset and people who say my premiums went up, and i blame obama care. >> i think that's what they are worried about most politically is that the idea that people don't like the healthcare system in the country. they like their individual insurance and once you pass the bill changing healthcare, you bone everything in healthcare, right? >> i also think that number will
go down as campaign to educate people about opting in to the exchanges takes place. you can't opt in until october is when you can first sign up for them. they go into effect in january. so it is this summer where the admin sthags will put out information on the exchanges. for the vast majority of americans, their own private health insurance wasn't touched by this bill in a way they can perceive. >> i want to play this sound. you know, the president kind of trying, i think, to lower expectations or at least say look, there are some bumps along the road. take a listen. >> when you're doing it nationwide, relatively fast and half of congress who is determined to try to block implementation and not fund implementation and then a number of members of or governors
republican governors, who know that it is bad politics for them to try to implement this effectively and some have decided to implement and then republican controlled state legislators, say, don't implement and won't pass an enabling legislation. when have you that situation, that makes it harder. >> how hard is this going to be? how much of a problem is this really? i know folks that work in the bureaucracy. i know civil servants. there are thousands of smart dedicated hard-working people in the federal government who are working like crazy to make this thing happen. and it isn't a trivial task that they are tasked with. >> no, it is not trivial. but i think the important point is that so much of the law is implemented in the way that is seamless for folks. so now, getting preexisting conditions cover and their children, that just happened. people getting preventative care with no co-pays, that just happened seamlessly. for the vast majority of the
people in the country, that insure suns more secure and has better benefits. but for people without health insurance, they open in october and they will have by and large a good experience. people making it hard are governors and others working desperately to make that -- >> very quickly, do you want to see the exchanges succeed or fail? >> yi want it see them succeed. a federal exchange is back stop and does the same things. this whole thing about weather governors implement the ex changes or not, a lot of state exchange director that i talked to say i wish they had another year. deadlines are too quick. we need another year to get this going. >> richard kim, i want to wrap you now. we have breaking news. andrea mitchell will join us after the break. so don't go anywhere.
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breaking news tonight. a senior official confirms that israel did indeed strike targets inside syria tonight. official declined comments when asked if it was chemical weapons related. joining me now chief foreign affairs correspondent andrea mitchell. andrea, what do we know about this strike and when it happened and when the intent was and whether the americans knew beforehand? >> it is not clear whether the americans knew beforehand but whether they yellow-lighted this or green-lighted it, they will deny knowledge beforehand. what we do know is several sources are now telling us from u.s. official sources that israel did on friday strike against targets believed to be connected to be delivery systems for chemical weapons.
it is not clear whether or not israeli airplanes crossed into syrian airspace but these were targets that were involved in weapons being delivered to lebanon. that is something that israel has said that they would prevent happening. a spokesman for the israeli embassy has said that while not commenting on reports they tell me israel is determined to prevent the transfer of chemical weapons or other game-changing weaponry by the syrian regime to terrorists, especially to hezbollah in lebanon. some weapons were allegedly being delivered to hezbollah and it came at the same time as u.s. government, chris, was getting more intelligence today from a top u.n. weapons inspector visiting washington, that there had been chemical weapons used by the regime. chris? >> thank you, andrea. we also know that the israelis have struck once before if january. there is one other confirmed airstrike inside syria. i guess my question is, does
this escalate things or cross some line or escalate things in a way that there is no going back now in terms of israel's involvement in terms of the original nature of the conflict or can we see things walked back from this point? >> it is unclear what will happen. >> good evening. this week the george w. bush library opened in dallas --- >> the proxy for the united states by much of the anti-american sentiment in the region. but this is a clear shot across the bow and it is saying to the assad regime, you have crossed a line that rest of the world is not willing to tolerate except for of course iran and russia who are the strongest backers right now of the assad regime. >> andrea, i wonder here what this, what this now puts on the table of the