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good morning i'm chris jansing. developing now, three months after three young women were rescued from a decade-long nightmare of captivity and torture, inside an ohio home, one of those women could face her be a abductor in court. michele knight is considering talking today at the sentencing of ariel castro which is going on right now in a cleveland courtroom. castro plead guilty last week to 937 counts in a deal to avoid the death penalty. today he stands to get life in prison plus 1,000 years. at the same time we're learning several new details about the hell his three victims endured from the diaries they kept as they were held captive for so many years and castro himself spoke briefly in court just moments ago. >> i would like to apologize to the victims. >> then there's this. cleveland police released a letter sent to them by michele
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knight, part of it reads cute, i am overwhelmed by the amount of thoughts, love and prayers expressed by complete strangers. it is comforting, life is tough but i'm tougher. we just heard from one of the first responders, one of the first police officers on the scene, barbara johnson and she recounted part of what happened in the minutes after these three young women were rescued. >> every time i was pregnant he punched me in the stomach and gina said he did that for two weeks and starve her and give her a pepsi and hit her until she lost the baby. they kind of corroborated back and forth about that. >> did you stay with the women when the ambulance transported home to the hospital. >> yes. i went with them all the way to the hospital and i stayed with them every time they went to the restroom. they wanted security with them at all times.
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>> did you see any change in their behavior? >> i little bit. i noticed gina was very, i'll say reserved. i don't know if she was just confused by the whole thing but a lot of the nurses and the staff at the hospital would come up and just give her a big hug and say we've been praying four honey and she just kind of stood there with her arms around the side and when they left the room she would say who is that. i said honey you're going to get a lot of that over the next few weeks. she wasn't sure what was going on. michele was still very frightened, like she just kind of held herself close. and amanda, she had her daughter, so she seemed to be a little more well-rounded as far as trying to protect her daughter, making sure everything is okay. you know she wasn't but she had that, trying to make it took like everything was okay for her daughter.
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such compelling testimony. we've only just started. i have to say, just listening to the statement from that one officer and this could go on for hours this morning. >> sure. or days. >> it's unfathomable even the things we've heard before about him starving and beating a pregnancy out of one of these women, it is just horrifying. so a lot of people are asking what's the point of this. he's already pled guilty. there's already been a plea so it spares him the death penalty. what is going on today? >> there's a few points. one a cathartic measure for the victims and their families. the other for appellate issues you want to protect the record and make as clear a record as possible that explains the narrative of what happened in
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that house for those ten years. and also there's this issue, if ariel castro is willing to show remorse, then, again, it goes to the cathartic element that the victims and their families will receive some closure. >> i'm trying to put myself in the shoes of the defense attorney. really is there anything they can say or do even though they've given some indication and ariel castro has talked about being abused as a child, about how he's a series of sexual problems throughout his entire life. is there anything that can happen today that's going to change the outcome here? >> there is nothing this defendant can say. whatever he says about remorse, whatever kind of explanation he offers about his own addiction or his own abuse nothing he can say is going to take a single hour off the life sentence plus 1,000 years. but i agree with the comments made. there are other important goals
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today and i think the law enforcement community, the community wants to understand. how did he get away with it for so long. all of us have our hearts open to these victims and are fascinated to know how did they cope, how did they survive? what got them through this? there are very important things we're going to learn today. >> what do we know about -- and there's some indication that one of the three women has talked about or given an indication she may be willing to speak, the others may have surrogates who want to make a statement to them. beyond that who can testify at a hearing like this? >> usually the victims, the families of the victims, other people who may have been affected. but additionally we see that law enforcement can testify. perhaps medical professionals can testify. and also, chris, it's important that the viewers understand there's a notice requirement.
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so before this sentencing day each party gives the other notice of who may or may not testify. >> so no surprises. >> no surprises maybe for us but not for who is in court. >> this is as we said potentially going to go on for hours and maybe even into tomorrow. is it typical that a hearing like this would take so long? >> no, it's not typical and some sentencings are almost perfunctory especially when everybody knows what it is going in. but this is so different. this case never had a trial. it never had a day in court for the victims. so, it's very appropriate in this instance the judge is allowing time for the prosecutors to explain what happened for the victims to know that their story is being shared and they are obviously courageously willing to accept some of the extreme violations
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of privacy that will implicate. . it to interrupt. we have detective harrison from the sex crime unit talking about michele knight. >> she was talking in an attempt to find a social worker that was in charge of her son and she wanted to speak with him. she was lost and she was in a store and she started to ask people for directions at which time ariel castro approached her and said he knew who she was looking for and offered to help her. michele knight knew ariel castro because she's friends with his daughter emily castro. so she accepted the ride. >> did michele relate to you what took place after she got in ariel castro's car? >> yes. they began driving and they arrived at ariel castro's home. he asked her if she wanted to come inside to get a puppy for her son. so she agreed to go in to get a puppy for her son. once inside the home she did not
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see a puppy. she did see a dog but there were no puppies. at this time she is physically restrained by ariel castro with an extension cord. she's left that way for several hours. when ariel castro returns, he takes her down the basement where she's physically restrained with a chain, plastic ties are put on her wrist and a material helmet that's placed on her head. at this time she's sexually assaulted. michele knight was left alone physically restrained in the dark basement overnight. during this interview michele knight described a pattern of being repeatedly sexually, physically and emotionally violated by ariel castro during her entire time of captivity. >> during this interview you're learning about the initial abduction as well as the crimes
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committed against her? >> that's correct. >> she was able to identify ariel castro as the perpetrator of those crimes? >> that's correct. >> what else did she tell you? >> during a subsequent -- excuse me. she stated that on the night they were rescued on may 6th, 2013, when the patrol officers entered the house she heard loud noises and she began to panic. she said that she heard somebody yelling police, police, police and the next thing she knew she had been rescued by the police. >> all right. did you have an opportunity to interview her subsequent to that initial interview you condoungtd may 6th? >> yes, i did. >> what did you learn? >> during subsequent interviews michele knight related she was pregnant on several occasions in the house and knew this because she felt the same way she was when she was pregnant with her son. she also relayed -- >> again, i think just the fact that we are hearing this from people who were there from
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people who witnessed it firsthand, very different from reading it in a newspaper as horrifying as these stories are the first time we heard them. >> it's much more compelling this way. i also think just a reminder, frankly, the constantly stated comment by parents be careful about strangers, hearing it, reminding us further absorbing the message that's important too. >> we'll continue to listen to this hearing and talk more about it later in the program. it's a very busy news day. developing now, edward snowden is on the move. his lawyer confirming to nbc news he left the moscow airport and has been granted refugee status. he can stay in russia for one year. so far no comment from the white house. but snowden is the guy who sparked this huge debate over the nsa. this afternoon the president is meeting with a group of lawmakers about the controversial surveillance programs that collect phone records and emails. they are members of the
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intelligence committee or senators with specific concerns about the issue. and it comes as momentum is growing against the nsa security agency program. last night the security chief was heckled at a conference in las vegas. >> think what you're saying is that in these cases what's the decision, where is the discussion, and what tools should we have to stop those? >> you lied to congress. why would we believe you're not lying to us now. >> haven't lied to congress. >> hours earlier senators questioned intelligence officials about how the program success run and if it's invading americans' privacy. >> we could have more security if we stripped searched everybody that came into every building in america. we won't do that. we'll have more security if we
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close our borders to everybody. we're not going to do that. you worked together on a bill to rein in the nsa. thank you for being with us. you just saw the nsa director heckled last night, the senate judiciary hearing a lot of questions were raised yesterday as well. do you think the momentum against the nsa programs is on your side. >> certainly would. i have been hearing from constituent, enormous public outcry about reining in our national security apparatus and making sure that we have reasonable checks and balances around access to our most personal information in honoring the spirit of our constitution. >> and the vote on your amendment, on this issue was so close, 205 for, 217 against, so you need to swing what six or seven votes. are you going to reintroduce legislation? >> we have stuntive legislation
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called the liberty act been introduced by representative john coners the ranking democrat. i'm the lead co-sponsor on it and we have almost 50 co-sponsors now split almost evenly between republicans and democrats. we want legislation like this to move forward. i have faith in the chairman that we'll move something forward. there's a lot of other good ideas presented by republicans and democrats that we think will help rein in some of this government overreach. >> one of the things that maybe has surprised me smoft when you look at some of the polls is how unsurprised a lot of the american people are, especially the younger you are, you just assume that surveillance of some sort is going on. i thought pat leahy made an interesting point we don't close the border to keep the united states safe or strip search people to make buildings safe are. do you think americans would be more aware of things like that because, obviously, it's something they can see and feel versus these programs where say phone data is being collected
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but it's not obviously the same thing as being physically searched or even going through security at an airport. >> i think the point that the representative and i are making that american people feel is common sense, american liberty and security is not mutually exclusive. we need both. we can't give up what makes us special as an american under our constitution in the name of security. >> this program has fierce defenders in congress. i want to play a little bit of sound from one of them, diane feinstein. >> i think based on what i know, they will come after us and i think we need to prevent an attack wherever we can from happening. >> now, even she has said she's open to making changes, more public disclosure of the inqu y inquiries from the fbi and be
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ariel castro's yard and while there in the yard a man from next door also came over and was on the porch and began telling amanda to kick out the bottom panel of the door. after several kicks she was able to get the door panel out and then she crawled out with her daughter. >> did you have an opportunity to interview gina dejesus on may 6th, 2013? >> yes. >> what did you learn from that interview? >> during the initial interview with gina dejesus who was 14 years old at the time she was taken stated on april 2nd, 2004 she was walking home from school with her friend rosy. >> who is that >> ariel castro's daughter. >> what happened while they were walking home? >> they wanted to see if rosy could go over to gina dejesus's house. they stopped at a pay phone to make a phone call.
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asked rosy's mother if she could go over, she wasn't allowed to. the two girlsing walked home in their separate directions. >> what happened next? >> as she was walking home she was approached by ariel castro. he asked her if he could help her locate his daughter. and she assumed he was referring to rosy who she had just left so she said yes he could help her. she got in the van and they started driving. they turned somewhere where she didn't think they should turn. at this point ariel castro tells her he needs to go home to get some money. they go to his house. once at his house he asked gina dejesus if she could come into the house and help him carry out a speaker and put it in the car. she agrees to do that. >> what happened when she went into the house? >> when she was inside the house she became uncomfortable and wanted to leave. ariel castro told her that she
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had to exit the home from a different door she came in so they went out a different door and she wound up in the basement. at this time ariel castro physically restrained her with a chain that was touched the center support pole of the basement. put plastic ties on her wrist. at this time gina dejesus was first sexually assaulted. and that is the deck from the sex crimes unit talking about what he learned during the moments and the hours just following the escape of those three women who were held, most of them for a decade by ariel castro. i want to bring back in our legal contributor and our legal analyst. from a legal standpoint, from an emotional standpoint, obviously, kendall, there's no words to really describe how this makes you feel. but from a legal standpoint and the judge who has to bring down
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sentence on ariel castro, what legally, what in the statutes has to be considered here? >> well, there are many, many counts they have been pled guilty to. there needs be a sufficient evidentiary foundation. the testimony of the detective and other responders is certainly providing that. whatever we hear today it's going to be painful at times. it is going make sure that this man never steps out of jail alive. >> and in terms of the defense, where do you even start with a case like this? >> you start with remorse as we were discussing before, chris. and i have to tell you, it is so rare that someone who is accused and pled guilty of these types of crimes, even displays remorse. i have been doing this for a long time and sex crimes is my specialty and i've been around evil such as ariel castro on at least a weekly basis and even in these circumstances when they
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take a plea it is rare that people like this are able to show remorse. so i do applaud the defense for getting him, ariel castro, this far and being able to say even that he's sorry. >> you have to believe that one of the things that they could say to him because he's expressed in court and apparently to others his desire to see his daughter. and the prosecutors have said that's never going to happen. but perhaps -- >> thank god. >> perhaps, you know, that's one way he's thinking maybe he has a sliver of a chance to see his daughter again. i'm trying to figure out what possibly would be the rationale for doing that. >> it's hard to actually have a conversation about what ariel castro's rationale is because, again, it is really trying to look inside the criminal mind. and evil criminal mind. this is not someone that any of us can be connect with.
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we can't begin to understand what happened in his mind and also it's important to realize that what he's going to try to do today in court is tell the judge about his history and have the judge feel some sympathy towards wip and also it's because he wants an easier time when he's in prison and he's concerned about his own security in prison as is his defense team is. >> we'll take a break as a forensic scientist takes the stand and we'll listen in. we'll be back with more on "jansing and company" after this. if you have yet to master the quiet sneeze... you stash tissues like a squirrel stashes nuts... well muddlers, muddle no more. try zyrtec®. it gives you powerful allergy relief. and zyrtec® is different than claritin® because zyrtec® starts working at hour one on the first day you take it. claritin® doesn't start working until hour three. zyrtec®. love the air.
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it's a fair question. look, you, sir, know some embarrassing things about me in my personal life. that's part of the cost of being an elected official, i guess, people look into those things. i'm embarrassed by it. i dishonored my wife. but, sir, i didn't do anything to you. >> weiner said he'll not quit the race for new york city mayor. republicans are trying to connect anthony weiner and san diego mayor bob filner to create a democratic war on women. i want to bring in the bureau chief of "chicago sun-times" and "time" reporter. so let's start with anthony weiner. every where he goes he's surrounded by cameras and reporters. this exchange came from a voter. does he really think he can pull this off? >> well i think at this point he's digging his heels in because he really doesn't have a whole lot to lose. he's got 4 million plus dollars
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in the bank, six weeks to go. he's been humiliated as much as any human being can be you had my l -- you hhumiliated. >> his most recent advertisement where he came out and came on and said, you know, i'm a fighter and i'm resilient just like other new yorkers, staying in this race. i think to a certain extent he isn't really embarrassed and staying strong. >> on the other coast problems piling up for san diego mayor bob filner, eight women have accused him of sexual harassment. his attorney says he never got sexual harassment training. while to para phrase bob die man
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many might argue that you don't need a weather person to tell you which way the wind blows and an adult male should not need sexual harassment training. >> oh, my goodness. >> i'm just reading the quote. >> chris, this is the most ludicrous defense. you know, i heard you talk about remorse before in ariel castro, horrible case. why don't these -- someone like filner who actually did something, you don't need training to tell you you don't steal things, you don't touch people inappropriately. you need, you need to have some common sense to what your lawyer should be saying about you. so, yes, chris, i think that's a ludicrous defense you don't have training. so what you get permission to do what you want? please. >> we've seen some republican groups try to connect these two scandals.
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cpac the conservative group tied to sarah palin emailed this. liberal men are leading a violent war on women and liberal women's group emily's list is helping them. the national republican senatoral committee writes democrats invoke the war on women charge repeatedly but they head for the hills when asked about their democratic colleagues actual mistreatment of women. i wonder are they preaching to the choir here, lynn or is it possible these things code is illusion democrats and democratic women in particular. >> the brassness and audacity of anthony weiner is different than the kind of filner thing. the republicans as always are entitled just like democrats when they complain about war on women on the republican side. but the point is this is not a war on women, this is not in any case these are two men, public officials or want to be public be officials who are democrats
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who are behaving badly. i think it's is going to be very tough for the republicans to make it more than this with what's on the table now. >> then i should say it is categorically untrue democrats are heading for the hills because an awful lot of them have been very critical of these cases. democrats are calling this ridiculous. one says when we talk about a war on women we're talking about less about misdeeds and more a systemic issue of gop leaders pushing a policy that affects all american women. and democrats have a list of republican cheaters that they can point to. i wonder if the solution is maybe what tina brown suggested is more women candidates. >> yeah. certainly more female candidates. >> when have you heard of this kind of sex scandal involving a woman in elected office? >> you know, you really -- you
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haven't. i mean i remember hearing one story, though, at the bush white house there was a bunch of worry about h.w. bush white house about male campaign workers sleeping with women on trail and were worried about their affecting getting a job in the administration and mary madeline who was part of the administration, what about the women. women don't have affairs they have learning experiences. >> that's quite different than sexual harassment or sexting on this. chris, to underscore your point, usually when you talk about war on women you talk about health policy, you talk about economic policy that, you talk about programs that help single women with children. you talk about help getting better jobs. as the democrats are doing now you talk about raising the minimum wage especially people and single women who don't have it. once you get into this world of
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sexual aberration or inappropriate sexual behavior that is really more about an individual not about the political ideology. >> great conversation. thank you both. >> thank you. >> checking the news feed this morning, secretary of state john kerry made a surprise trip to pakistan. talks stalled in 2011 after u.s. air strikes accidentally killed 24 pakistani soldiers. the reshounl of talks indicates some improvement. o.j. simpson has been granted parole on five of the sentences he received following his 2008 kidnapping and armed robbery conviction. but he's not getting out any time soon. the former nfl star serving other sentences consecutively. philadelphia eagles wide receiver riley cooper was caught on video making a racial slur during a confrontation at a concert. today he's doing some
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hearing for ariel castro. michele knight is one of these three women who we are told is considering taking the stand and facing her captor. i want to bring back in our two guests. you were talking earlier about having so much experience with dealing with people who have faced the horrors of this level of sexual abuse and identify said many times on this program that one thing that's stayed with me of the many stories that i've covered is seeing elizabeth smart face her captor for the first time, how brave she was and how extraordinarily moving it was. talk a little bit about how you would prepare someone to decide to make that decision whether or not this is the right thing for them? >> well, chris, i actually am a former prosecutor and currently a criminal defense attorney so when i see the horror it's usually on the defense table now. however, as a former prosecutor
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i would absolutely encourage my victims to talk in court. being in court in this scenario, it is more intimate and a trusting environment than people usually think. the judge is going to make it a comfortable environment and it is cathartic that the victim finally, finally after all this time gets to say exactly what she wants and look the person who has committed such violence and just utterly unspeakable agents upon her, give them that day in court. so, i would encourage all my victims to do that and as well as their families, chris, because we have to realize that the effects of the last ten years have spilled over into these people's families and their community and they have a right to say in court how this has affected them and how it's going to continue to affect
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them. >> it would seem to me that the right word here, kendall, is cathartic. this is not about impacting the decision that the judge is going to make, this is really about what's right for these three women, right? >> yeah. of course, it does provide a validation when the anguish, the nightmare you suffered is expressed in a court of law to a judge who completely understands and respects what you suffered and then pronounces sentence. so this is a very important part of the process. and i think that if there is going to be closure and in some way there never be closure for these victims but this is an important part of getting at least the legal part of their nightmare behind them. >> all right, we'll continue to listen in and follow this and we'll continue to watch to see michele knight if and when she comes into the courtroom. meantime there's another run in with the law for george zimmerman, but this time it was
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on a highway just east of dallas. kerri sanders is live in forney, texas. what happened here? >> reporter: well, good morning. it was a relatively calm encounter. george zimmerman was pulled over for speeding but it was noteworthy even to police because in the car george zimmerman had a gun. george zimmerman was driving west on u.s. highway 80 in forney, texas near dallas when he was pulled over for speeding. zimmerman who was found not guilty of second-degree murder or manslaughter in the shooting death of trayvon martin was quick to tell the officer that he had a gun in the glove compartment. >> where are you headed? >> nowhere in particular. >> nowhere in particular? why do you say that? >> you didn't see my name? >> huh? >> you didn't see my name? >> reporter: the officer looks
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down at zimmerman's license again. >> we the jury find george zimmerman not guilty. >> reporter: just days after a florida jury found him not guilty, zimmerman was back in the news, stepping out of seclusion to help four people escape from their overturned vehicle in florida. and now this police stop last sunday. his older brother robert zimmerman tweeted on wednesday, a heavy foot, nothing more. >> are you clear of warrants and stuff. >> absolutely. >> reporter: the officer then says he'll make a routine check. >> and as long as you don't have any warrants you'll be cut loose. just take it easy. shut your glove compartment. >> reporter: the firearm zimmerman was carrying was not the same one he used to kill trayvon martin. that gun is still being held as evidence by the fbi. but having been acquitted zimmerman can legally carry a firearm once again. in a second tweet robert
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zimmerman said, our family receives many death threats. we all continue to take our security seriously and to ensure our safety in accordance with the law. the traffic stop lasted about five minutes. >> all right, sir, just slow down. here's your license. you received a warning. >> reporter: police here say under texas law george zimmerman traveling from county to county here was perfectly within his rights to have a gun in the glove box, and authorities point out that because he has a concealed weapon permit in florida there is reciprocal per noigs have that gun concealed in this state. we reached out to dim zimmerman's legal team. they didn't say why he was in texas and they didn't say if he's even still here. chris? >> just a point of fact i assume that's not true of every state but it is true in texas that that concealed weapons permit sort of carries over. >> yeah.
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back live inside a cleveland courtroom. these are pictures that an fbi special agent is showing in that courtroom. inside the house where amanda berry, michele knight and gina dejesus were held for about a decade. let's listen. >> 7'2" x 11.5 feet, approximately? >> correct. >> in the course of the
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investigation, what did you learn as to who occupied the first room that we saw as we entered through the door with the hole in it, who occupied that room? >> that would have been amanda berry and her daughter. >> then the smaller adjoining room was occupied by who? >> michele knight and gina dejesus. >> then we're currently looking at a five-day forecast of the bedroom. who shared that bed? >> that's in the room where gina dejesus and michele knight were. >> next slide. there the window in that small adjoining room was there any obstruction as to that window? >> yes. >> can you describe it? >> underneath what's clearly
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shown on the photograph as a sheet underneath that is a very thick wooden panel that was screwed in. >> next one. apparently what's on -- is there a commode there present in the room? >> yes. >> the fabric pulled back shows the heavy boarded window? >> yes. >> next window, please. >> you see the photo that's before you? >> yes. >> i'll reference defense 10w. what's that >> that's a chain that's in the room that amanda -- i'm sorry gina dejesus and michele knight
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shared. >> next one. 10x, what does this photo depict? >> that is a hole through the wall, i believe that were photos on the side of gina and michele's room through theirs running a power cord that's plugged into the other room and the chain. >> now, for that small side room, the 7 x 11 room with the window nailed shut was there any attempt to provide ventilation in that small space? >> there was a small cut out in the ceiling and a box fan in the attic. >> so, the actual plaster was cut away, an opening made and some electrical service to the attic was providing a fan? >> correct. >> next, please.
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>> showing you states 10y do you recognize what's shown there? >> yes. >> what is it? >> chains. locks. >> do generally where those were found? >> those were found in the upstairs bedrooms. >> next photo. we're now on state's 10z. we're in the basement. what is of significance in this photo? >> this is a view from the bottom of the stairs, the stairs are slightly visible at the far right margin of the photograph and you're looking in a southerly direction through the house. basically the long axis of the house. there's a support pole, that's a pole that we've come to understand that the women were restrained to at various points. >> next photo, please. now, there's two things i would
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like to you talk about in this photo, please, 10aa, the center pole and the rear washing machine. why are they of significance. >> again, the pole is what the investigation has shown was used to restrain the women in the early stages of captivity. and the washing machine at the far end, significant amount of cash was found sequestered in the washing machine. >> do you know how the team collected the evidence, do you have any indication to look for cash in the washing machine? >> they were directed there by ariel castro. >> next photo. >> you see that's a depiction of a written document found near the kitchen counter sink.
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are you familiar with that document that's roughly dated 4-4-2004. >> aim. >> what do you know that to be? >> i know that to be letter written by ariel castro. >> i'm going to represent state's exhibit 12. now, does mr. castro talk about his conduct in that document? >> he does. >> does he describe himself through his own choice of words as i am the sexual predator? >> yes. >> does he describe his victimization of the women in this case? >> to some degree, yes. >> seeing that slide just before
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you right now, is that an enhancement of the actual page where it says "i am a sexual predator"? >> yes. >> now, before you the photograph of a full faced motorcycle helmet. how many motorcycles did you know mr. castro to own >> multiple motorcycles. >> how many helmets? >> there were also multiple helmets. >> fair to say many more helmets than there were motorcycles at the time of the investigation of the scene? >> fair to say, yes. >> this item here, this light brown wig, does that bear significance to the investigation >> yes. >> in what man center >> the investigation shows that on a limited number of times that some of the survivors were
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allowed outside, they were instructed to wear a wig ear multiple other elements of disguise. >> now, moving away from the photographs for a moment, you talk about some cash that was found in the house. did mr. castro use his assets in terms of his cash monies that he had on hand to run an internal batt barter economy, if you will, with his victims? >> on occasion. >> would he after sexually abusing them throw money at them saying here, you're being paid for this, in essence? >> there were reports of that. >> and would he then in turn if they wanted something special from the store demand payment of them for tse


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