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cut off a guy on the freeway and he threw his sand wip at me. >> another one, a guy got naked on a bus in china. >> "morning joe" starts right now. ♪ >> folks, remind me when i was watching with my brother when saddam attacked kuwait. and president bush said i warn you, i warn you, i warn you, do not. well, folks, if you think american style politics is nasty, you guys have just attacked kuwait.
>> awesome. >> do you follow? >> we have to have him here. >> good morning it's tuesday, november 19th. god, look at new york city. with us on set washington anchor for bbc katty kay, nbc contributor mike barnacle, nicole wallace and the chairman of deutsch inc, donny deutsch. he's bush. he's warning the city council who is saddam don't invade kuwait. i'm giving you fair warning if you invade kuwait i'm going to get you. quite obviously, right? you know, rudy giuliani was america's mayor. this is the world's mayor. >> there's no doubt about it. in addition took an adjunct professor of history some place,
clearly the metaphor is even put. >> wow. you're a guy that knows about everything because he's been around a long time. >> on tdonny deutsch going dirt. >> in the history of politicians, goofy politicians behaving absurdly, number one? >> oh -- >> think it through. i'm going to put this guy as the michael jordan. >> it's a short list. >> name one. >> blago is up there. >> blago was on my mind yesterday. >> marion barry. >> not as good as rob ford. >> let's walk you through what happened yesterday. the sir can you surrounding rob ford came to a head yesterday. the city council voting to strip the mayor of much of his official responsibility. he loses half of his staff.
most of his legislative duties. but mayor ford says he has no plans to go away as you heard there. here he is during that mimicking while a city council member is driving. that same member had been stopped and given warning at a dui checkpoint last spring. mayor ford has acknowledged he may have driven drunk in the past. the drama continues. people screaming shame, shame, shame from the public gallery. mayor ford taking them on. later ford takes off in the chamber, knocks over a female council member before helping her back. he said he was rushing to help his brother who is also a councilman who he said was in an altercation. the mayor did apologize but ford was defiant yesterday over the moves to undercut his authority. took a not plug his new tv show one which debuted last night.
>> this is nothing more than a coup de tat. if you don't know what it means it means you're overruling a government and some people said this is democracy. what's happening here today is not a democratic process, it's a deck "toda dictatorship. i want people to listen to me tonight from 8:00 to 9:00 on sun news. you'll get my side of the story, okay. unfiltered. >> what your going to do, rob, in moving forward, the gentleman asked you what your going to do in the next election? >> i'm dealing with health care professionals. >> no. what the we is what's the game plan. we're building subways in the next election. >> absolutely. how are you basically going to change. we'll be working out.
if i'm not down 30, 40 pounds in the next six months i'll eat my words. >> wow. must watch tv. the brothers have a new show. you wonder how much longer this can go on because through the laughter toronto is a major important city in the world. it's a great city. >> his approval ratings did well after the first stuff came well. a lot of this is about the demographics of toronto. he has this suburban base of support that he's feeling encroached upon by the city. it's a very diverse city. they see rob ford having a coup de tat in kuwait as their champion. >> are we all losing it? is it contagious? >> i wonder if people want to see him stay in because the show
ends when he goes. it's an odd -- >> there's such a thirst for the authentic. when you think about him -- >> too authentic. there's a line. >> why does everyone slow down when they see a car crash on the opposite side of the highway? this is what the is. we're witnessing a human car crash. every day on tv up there and now here. we see rob ford every day. >> i think there's something to any cole's point. he has a genuine base of support who sees him as a nonpolitician that can do this crazy stuff. >> normal politician apologizes, resigns, goes to rehab and then runs for mayor a few years later. but rob is just gutting it out. >> i wonder if he's completely unhinged. >> let's go to our image maker donny deutsch. what do you do with rob ford? >> i do what -- i keep leaning
into it. he is a cartoon at this point and say whatever you want you can't take your eyes off of him and he's fighting and slugging and absurd. but i walk right into the theater of the absurd and i go all in with what's he's doing. in a strange bizarre way i would love to see numbers of what people of that great city think about him and something bizarrely tell me they might be behind him. >> you're never going convince his critics he's a reasonable guy. he's not going win anyone over to think what a serious, sensible politician he really is. so you may as well play to your base which are the people that think you're standing up for them in some way in this very fast changing city. >> peter finch network. nothing sums up the absurd convergence of politic, media and entertainment than what's going on here. >> should we go from one
absurdity to another. we're staying high brow. >> you think joe and mika are watching? >> in just a few hours george zimmerman will appear in court again to face his latest round of legal problems. he was arrested yesterday at the florida home of his girlfriend. she called 911 in a panic saying zimmerman point ad shotgun at her. >> you just broke my glass table, you just broke my sunglasses, and you put your gun in my freaking face and told me to get the [ bleep ] out. >> it's the second time zimmerman has been accused of domestic violence since he was acquitted over the summer in trayvon martin's murder. in yesterday's incident zimmerman claimed his girlfriend who he says is pregnant became violent as he was moving out. >> at first she was letting me pack my stuff so that i could go, we could go our own ways amicablely. when she changed she just started spanishing stuff, taking stuff that belonged to me, throwing it outside, throwing it
out of her room, throwing it all over the house. >> there's no excuse for being violent against a pregnant woman. zimmerman is being held without bail on felony and misdeamnor charges. >> second, third time he's been in trouble with the law since the trayvon martin case ended in >> with a gun. >> i think it's the third. >> yeah. >> something tells me this story will not end will for george zimmerman. >> better ending than trayvon martin had. >> might be better ending for his girlfriend if she manages to get him occupant of the house. sound like that need happen. >> let's talk politics. former vice president dick cheney and his wife are breaking their silence on the feud between their daughters over gay marriage. liz cheney is challenging mike enzi in wyoming discussed her opposition to marriages between gay and lesbian couples. that led to mary cheney and her wife, liz's sister mary to respond on facebook criticizes remarks and highlighting the
fact that liz only moved to wyoming recently, a potential vulnerability in her campaign. then the cheneys parents got involved yesterday releasing a statement that want reads in part this is an issue we have dealt with privately for many years. and we are pained to see it become public. since i want has, one thing should be clear. liz has always believed train additional definition of marriage. she has also always treated her sister and her sister's family with love and respect, exactly as she should have done. compassion is called for even when there is disagreement about such a fundamental matter and liz's many kindnesses shouldn't be used to dissort her position. vice president cheney said he supports same sex marriage at the state level. nicole, you know the cheneys. what forced dick cheney to go out publicly yesterday and to put out a statement over a family matter? >> look, i think anyone in a family understands that families fight.
so i don't think it was the sort of thing that people couldn't relate to, a dispute among families. i think that what must have stunning is what gene robinson writes about in today's "post." heather writes about something that, some of liz cheney's critics believe is her greatest vulnerability and that's the suggestion, the hint this was a political calculation. heather poe took to facebook and wrote as liz moves from state to state she may fine her family isn't protected by the same laws as she moves. liz's greatest vulnerability in her senate run is this charge of political calculation, this charge that she set out, she picked wyoming on a map, she set out there to unseat a popular conservative republican. so, i think that what happened with something political not personal that may have inspired
this statement because what's perm is that, yes, families sometimes, you know, they love each other but sometimes they fight in violent ways that you don't see people outside of the family do. what's extraordinary to me is that this family for the entire duration of the bush years, this family stuck together like glue. and mary's sexuality became front and center when john kerry made it one in 2004. >> how did he make it one? >> it came up in a debate. pelter baker wrote about it in his book 0-liz cheney defended mary and called senator kerry out for raising the issue. i think it came out in the vice presidential debate too between dick cheney. all i'm saying, it's not like this issue has never been discussed in the political context. >> you mentioned the word personal. i always believe at the end of
the day voters vote for who they like best. say what you want. when you have a sibling who is living a life a certain way and they are happy and have children and you still come out on the other side -- wherever you are politically you just kind of go wow. >> it's not a liability in the republican party to say have a personal -- >> infinitely less appealing as a human become. forget where you stand on the issue. when you line up against your family member. >> have some qualms about people taking personal family fights on to social media, though, and making them public political discussions, don't you? in days of pre-facebook and pre-twitter we wouldn't be having this discussion about the fight between these two sisters unless they wrote an op-ed about it. the way things get dashed off with speed on facebook and you wonder where the afterwards, with a moment of reflection is that what you want to say to the
whole world about your sister. >> i think this feels to me like it has been long simmering as this campaign has rolled on. mary and heather seem genuinely stunned by liz using this as a political defining issue for her. there is history of very conservative republicans who have same sex relationships that they are around that they have -- they evolved on the issue. ron portman is one. vice president cheney is another. liz had plenty of very conservative people to look at in terms of bridging what may have been a prior belief. >> i would have to think, just looking at this story as it's played out over the past couple of days that liz cheney's biggest liability in running for the united states senate in a republican primary is the fact that she's not from wyoming and just proved with it this. she's a captive of the conservative tea party washington mentality. i would doubt seriously whether
gay marriage has, is on the radar in wyoming in terms of issues that affect people that people are interested in. and the fact that she's raised it, at least to me in my intimate knowledge of life in wyoming i don't think it's on people's screens. >> liz may be on the right side of her policy but voters make much more complicated calculations. >> this isn't making waves up wyoming. let's move on to education secretary arnen' arne duncan wh issizing. here's what he said last week. quote. it's fascinating to me that some of the push back is coming from sort of white suburban moms who all of a sudden their child isn't as brilliant as they thought they were and their school isn't quite as good as they thought they were and that's let scary. duncan admits it's clumsy
phrasing. he was trying to show every demographic group has room for improvement. >> it's interesting and in this world of political correctness anybody understood what he was trying to say there and obviously had to apologize but that was not a racial point. i think he was just trying to make a point, an establishment point and that's shorthand. does that make any sense? >> you can see why a white suburban mom would be offended by that. if you put the shoe on the other foot it would be a bigger story. >> as a white guy i would let that pass. it didn't phase me. in understood the point. >> is he getting into a real policy snish >> the biggest policy issue in this country is anybody with kids in public school, you know, if you pay attention to what happens and not all public schools but a preponderance in
public schools, everybody gets a trophy mentality that's been part of this country's culture the past ten years your wonder what's happening in schools. you go to parents night and told your child is one of the smartest kids in the class. he's the best kid in the class. he's so good natured and he does his homework you go home feeling good and your son who is 14 years of age and says by the way i'm doing my homework what's four plus four. you start to wonder what's going on in the school. you start to worry whether you're black, brown, white. it doesn't matter. the leveling out of public schools in the past 30, 40 years and i'm not blaming teachers here. let's get that straight. i'm not blaming teachers. >> parents are responsible. young kids have been told they are all winners. you don't get confidence by being told you're already a winner and you're already perfect. up get it by take on challenges. they are not being pushed to fail. allowed the fail. >> my mom is a teacher.
>> there's no business in the world that's is going succeed if it's not a meritocracy. and when you have a union that let people stay in their job whether they perform or not that's a dangerous downward slope. in any business. >> we put too much on the teachers. >> i'm just saying the fact that educating at least half is in the hands of teach fierce the best don't rise to the top and weak don't get weeded out -- >> but katty is right. there's multiple issues. two people work in the household. single parent households. we get that. at one level you have an obligation, i think, to your child, boy or girl, no matter what age in their formlative
years -- >> i have a 2-year-old he's perfect. >> at some point you owe to it the child and say listen you're great, we love you, watch out, take a look over your shoulder there's always going to be someone better coming. prepare yourself. >> i want to go back for a second and tell you how republicans view a comment like this from someone very close to president obama. this is more of the dividing up by demographic, by the obama administration and micro targeting policies and messages. there's another side to his comments. there's a belief among many people in my party this is how the obama administration divided the electorate to win successfully two times. there's also a feeling to be a little critical of someone i know who has a lot of respect from both sides of the aisle but there's a sense among the republicans this is how the obama administration governs. this is how they talk behind closed doors. >> the republicans didn't do
that? >> the republicans were not talking about white moms. president obama's secretary of education was. >> by the way he'll be with us on "morning joe" on thursday. >> come in, nicole talk to him. coming up on "morning joe," congressman jim clyburn joins. chuck todd. michael haney as well here with "gq" men's year of the issue. up next top stories on the political playbook. bill karins has a look at the weather. >> do you see these bird's eye pictures from washington, illinois. winds 0200 mile-per-hour. eighth of a mile wide. went through this suburb here and this housing development. literally on one side of the street nothing and houses don't exist any more in the middle. death toll went up to eight yesterday. 250 to 500 homes deemed destroyed. just little a week away from thanksgiving.
let's take you into what's next on the weather map. a cool morning out there especially around areas in the northern plains, the great lakes. but nothing compared to our friends up in canada. i circled yellow. they are at minus 13. this is a cold blast, the coldest air in the northern hemisphere. guess where it's coming. here. we're talking january type cold will be invading the northern plains. chicago daytime high temperature of 28. they may not get to 32 in many areas of the east. tuesday forecast no problems whatsoever today. just a little bit of rain on the west coast. but if you have weekend plans, great lakes, ohio valley or in the northeast, be prepared. it's going to feel like the middle of winter. you're watching "morning joe" on this tuesday. americans take care of business.
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record breaking $13 billion settlement under the agreement the bank would accept responsibility for problems with mortgages marketed by washington mutual. the proposal is also expected to include $4 billion in relief for homeowners. a final agreement could be announced today. "usa today" conservative student organization at the university of texas announced plans to play a game called catch the illegal immigrant on campus. >> come on? >> the young conservatives of texas plan to have students wear signs -- this real that say illegal immigrant tomorrow. those who capture them will receive $2,500 gift certificates. campus administration say it's a violation of policy. >> it makes your party look more embracing of people. >> thereforery kid out of school immediately. >> $25 gift certificate.
>> "new york times" seaworld macy's thanksgiving parade protest is sparking outrage with 80,000 people calling for it's removal. the float which depicts killer whales is inappropriate. macy's says it plans to provide a range of entertaining elements without judgment, endorsement or agenda or tickets to seaworld. >> we have mike barnacles take muttering under his breath. >> i just, for the record i disagree with mike -- >> go home and take care -- >> aren't there killer whales in cages? isn't that float depicting we still have whales or isn't that the point? >> they are unhappy. >> they are unhappy. >> imagine how many parents will
be unhappy having to take their kids to the parade? what about them. >> in captivity. australian, incredible video showing 88-year-old man from australia narrowly escaping the path of an oncoming train. the man can be seen falling from the platform. whoa. >> oh, my god. >> then with seconds to spare the train conductor uses the emergency brake to stop inches from the man's head. they believe the man may have fainted before he fell. he only suffered minor injuries. >> "cleveland plain dealer" walmart store in ohio is under fire for collecting holiday food for its own employees. walmart spokes person said people came up with the idea citing the company's culture of helping those. in interviews with "the plain dealer" employees say it proof the retailer fails to prove adequate compensation. >> that's a hanging curve ball.
>> "new york times" new study shows curing insomnia in patients with depression can double their odds of a full recovery. 87% of patients treated for their insomnia also saw their symptoms of depression diminish after eight weeks of treatment. 18 million americans suffer from depression. >> i totally buy that. i vaguely remember what it's like to have a good night's sleep. >> it was a long time ago. >> san jose mercury news, selfie is declared word of the year beating out other buzz words like twerk. selfie got its start on instagram and twitter before going mainstream. i think it should have stayed there. >> have another definition of selfie. >> wow. >> plus no one of looks good in a selfie because you can't get your handout far enough.
>> people practice enough they get it. let's go down to politico. the president, the ceo, many other titles, politico, mr. jim van hind. let's talk 2016, jeb bush fueling talk with an appearance here in new york city at the 92nd street y. talking about his conservative credentials when asked. >> the big knock on him has been is he too moderate can he win a republican primary and he was arguing that listen i'm as conservative as any member of congress if you look at my record, look what i did as governor. what's interesting about jeb bush the assumption was a month ago there's no chance he arenas. more and more we're hearing from people talking to him that want he's interested and that he certainly has not made a decision to do it but much more likely to do it today than a couple of months ago. if he were to run he would be a
formidable force. his track record in florida -- his capacity to win over swing voters. there's an interesting moment last night in his interview where he was saying listen if we try to be pure party we'll be a minority party forever and he took congressman steve king fromway and others to task for saying things about immigration reform and other issues that are insulting to voters. he's willing to say he's conservative but take on his own party. >> nicole, if indeed you think jeb bush as jim just said is more willing to run today than he was two months ago why do you think that is? >> well, you know, i was jeb's press secretary during his first term and the notion he could not be conservative enough to me speaks only to how much the party has changed. it reminds me of miller and joe lieberman talking about how they didn't change but the democratic party changed in the late '90s and after 2000. so, i think this is possibly jeb
look at how much the party has changed and really harkening back to a time when the republican party was the party of ideas, party of intellectual curiosity and was a party of government works. that's how he governed in the state of florida. he got credit and criticism for being an intellectual force for putting conservative ideas to work and changing education and steam rolling the economy. what jim is talking about may be part of jeb's thinking through that. >> nicole, my big concern for jeb bush is the name bush is that with the republican party in tatters and people fed up with politicians in general -- >> they did turn the page with president obama. >> at this point i would have a hard time selling a bush. i just think america is ready to move on. >> there's an appetite for out
siders. i think president george w. bush has a higher approval rating at this hour than the current president. i also think that his father, bush 41 is one of the most revered political figures in the country and around the world. the bush name, both of them, all of them have done a lot to restore the bush family name. >> and what he thinks about the in current political dialogue. i'm a conservative practicing one. i would put my record up against anyone that's in congress right now and talked about how his tone -- >> if he runs, he is the one guy out there who i think perfectly matches these three things. an extremely conservative record. the ability to sit face to face, shoulder to shoulder with people who don't believe in anything he believes in and have a productive conversation with them. and a real maturity and understanding of the need to have a thick skin and really to have a long view in politics.
>> that was jeb here in new york city 92nd street y. another potential candidate senator rand paul appeared on fox news yesterday where he responded to governor scott walk ears recent comment that the 2016 republican nominee should be somebody from outside washington. >> why wouldn't voters want an outsider in 2016? a republican governor, maybe a conservative governor of a blue state? >> i think they want someone outside of, you know, what's been going on. so, for example, someone like myself who has been promoting term limit, someone who says we shouldn't have decade after decade-long activity up here. i think i'm enough new here to be perceived as an outsider should that be the choice in 2016. >> is chris christie a conservative? >> you know, depends on how you define that. if you have a very loose definition probably. if you look at a lot of issue like on whether or not we should accept obama care, bring it to our state, end medicaid, those would be at best moderate
positions. so, but everybody has to make that judge. we have room for moderates in our party. >> speaking of governor chris christie, he was in washington speaking to business leaders at the "wall street journal's" annual ceo conference. he was asked about being characterized as a moderate by his colleagues. after coming off a landslide re-election win in the blue state of new jersey. >> now there's some republicans who say because i got 61% of the vote in new jersey he must not be conservative. how can a conservative win those. this is crazy to me. in other words among these elements the better you do the more voters you attract the more diverse voters you attract the more suspect you are. women there's a winning formula. let me tell you. there's a winning formula. notice don't feel i have any fence mending to do. i'm going to be me. and if i ever decide to run for anything again, if being me isn't good enough then fine i'll go home. >> jim, what does this insider,
outsider who is conservative who is not debate tell you about the state of the party right now? >> i thought that was a great juxtaposition. if you put chris christie and rand paul comments in front of a conservative crowd rand paul is the party right now. chris christie most conservatives don't think that he's authentically conservative enough. they don't buy the argument that he got 60% that's great for conservatism. they think that's great for electability. the momentum in the party is with the ran paul wing. they want somebody you a in this tickally conservative. chris christie's stock is high now. it won't be as high when you get the give and take of a primary process. nicole is right. up need to look at somebody who can bridge the two sides. jeb bush is the person out there who is best positioned to do it. i don't know if he wants to run. we heard he says he wants to run
to keep his profile high but not pull the trigger. he's the person that's out there natural you plopped him on spectrum he might be the person that can bridge. there's not another person out there that's obvious but that doesn't mean scott walker, a kasich or somebody doesn't come in and plop in that same exact spot. >> speaking of profiles, willie, our crack research staff picked up on a comment i made earlier about, you know, your fledgling beard and how you resemble a young orson wells. >> as long as i'm not the old orson wells. >> and thinner. >> that's amazing. >> citizen geist. >> jim, thanks. we'll see you. >> take care. >> coming up tom brady was not happy with the final play of last night's monday night football game. following the refs off the field we'll show the call that had
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carolina. carolina down four points in the fourth quarter. a minute left to play, tom brady and patriots got one last chance. three seconds on the clock. >> here's the game's final play. brady steps up. throws to the end zone. intercepted. flag in the end zone. panthers running away celebrating all if way. the game is over. no foul. game is over. the panthers with the win. >> tom brady obviously frustrated. the flag was picked up. >> the issue is whether it was a catched ball in the first place. clearly he got interfered with. could he have caught it even if no one was near him. >> hard to say. gronkowski was tied up there. panthers win the game either way 24-20. tom brady not happy. both teams 7-3. carolina panthers at 7-3.
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we begin with aneddiitorial headline in the "new york times." a new gop excuse for doing nothing. with unrestrained glee republicans are using the calamitous debut of the affordable care act as their latest justification for undermining all of the health care reform. but they are not stopping there. the obama administration's fumbling is patiently good. party members want to repeal the health law and let insurers go back to cancelling policies at the first sign of a shadow on an x-ray. they have no immigration policy of their own. they have no plan that will stimulate job growth. they are in favor loin of shutdowns and sequesters and repeals giving the public no reason to believe that they have a governing vision or even a legislative agenda? >> fair criticism, nicole?
>> i think it's a fair criticism of some. why scott walker and others are banging the drums for the next leader of the republican party. governors are addressing the health care needs of people in their state. a lot of states with republican governors have economies that are doing better than the national average. >> do you think it would be possible for a republican leader of that ilk to come in to washington and to change the nature of the party? >> that's the million dollar question. >> we'll have a program for immigration. we'll have something to do with infrastructure. we'll have a jobs creation program. we'll do these things. they may not be popular with everybody but still got take 18 members of the house with him. >> he or she of either party says a lot of things. president obama promised an to end childish things and we had the first shutdown in a generation. george w. bush campaigned as someone who wouldn't be the divider and ended up having a
very divisive eight years. i think candidates always say they will do things and they dome washington and find it pretty intractable. the honest answer is i don't know. >> one of the more interesting tidbits about this is you have a series of governors, republican and democratic across this country who couldn't behave the congressional republicans behave. >> because of state laws. you got to under this. governors are not allowed to run deficits. they must balance the budget. >> they would be impeached. >> the other point sue have a congressional republican party, a huge percent jack of them, a considerable percentage of them who were elected under the premise and the promise that many of them made not to govern, to obstruct government. it's just an interesting dichotomy in one party. >> what's interest cigarette some of those people have members of congress who are trying to obstruct federal
programs when republican governors are getting a lot of things done. some of this republicans inherent distrust of the federal government. it seems like a contradiction playing out. >> donny, the realnt poi of this "new york times" editorial, philosophical question can government do big things? >> my concern is for let's call at any time failed rollout of the legislation will setback progressive government for a generation. it's going to be their club to say see, see more government doesn't work and this is going to take a generation to play out. >> we should remember, of course, america has a lot of government-run health care programs already. >> this is a sound bite. this is a simple way to say you see they got it too short.
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what we have, unfortunately, in washington on both sides of the aisle at times are absolutists. there are a number of people in congress on the republican side of the aisle who, you know, just did not have an end game to a strategy. >> you talking about ted cruz. >> listen in get myself in enough trouble without your help. your job in trunk government is run it, and run it effectively and efficiently. and all the people down here from the leadership in congress have failed. why are people appreciative of
what's going on in the states is we're doing our jobs. >> new jersey governor chris christie down in washington. what a beautiful sunrise over d.c. right now. welcome back to "morning joe." katty kay, donny deutsch, and political analyst howard fineman. >> very long title. >> makes you sound very important. rightly so. >> i want to know why no one else has this shaggy stuff going on. did they not get the message? >> there's still time. >> the first two weeks were really bad. >> watched "morning joe" just as it was creeping in for you and i thought wow willie forgot shave. this is embarrassing. amazing what hd will pick up. >> for 19 days identify forgotten. >> how does it feel? >> it feels good now.
first it was itchy. at the end of the month i'll have a full beard. a full almost like adult beard. >> i think i'm going to do it next november. >> you should do it in the 11 remaining days. we haven't talked to you for a dan. chris christie won huge in his re-athletic. the tone he's striking, we heard it from scott walker saying the future of this party is coming from outside washington. governor chris christie went out of his way in his victory speech to talk about washington watch how we do it here in new jersey. good message, good outsider message? >> the outside washington comes to these republican governors, susanna martinez of new mexico, christie, walker, can you go on and on. it's less outside/inside washington. there's an interesting conversation happening in the republican party. itches frustrated as anybody what happened during the whole government shutdown and filibuster. i was for delaying obama care. i don't think senator cruz and the others approached it was the
right way to go. right now there's discussion. things christie said. walker is saying. there's a post about paul ryan and what he's doing to try to wage a big campaign a big war on poverty from a conservative perspective. you go around the country and see governors and members of congress having a real conversation. the conversation happening within the republican party today is much more richer and interesting conversation. >> which one prevails. the tea party point of view or slightly more centrist point of view. >> it will be mixed. you can't seal these different moments. there's a lot of overlap. one of the more interesting things that's going to develop, you'll see a crack up on the right in terms of its relationship with wall street. you're going to see a big business crony capitalism crack up on the right. you'll see distance between conservative, small government, tea party conservatives but also mainstream moderates, bigger disconnect between them and big
business and you'll see democrats actually owning relationships with big business in a way we haven't seen. >> the republican party finding themselves. what happens when you get iowa and new hampshire and everybody knows you have to dance to the right. it falls apart. >> look at a guy like chris christie who has gotten elected twice in a purplish state. you look at his governing agenda. it was a conservative reform agenda. look at scott walker who has taken on the unions, taken on collective bargaining in wisconsin, governed from the right. these are people -- you look what paul ryan did on entitlement reform, is doing on the war on poverty. these are people that can play in iowa and they are conservative agendas. >> having the last 24 hour beauty pageant of the 2016 hopefuls, on the republican side we've had chris christie, jeb bush, scott walker, rand paul all talking about how they are
effectively the guy who can lead the republican party out of its morass. which one can do what dan is talking about and bridge that divide between the conservative wing of the party and electability? >> well, prepared to quote extensively from joe scarborough's new book. >> he's not here you don't have to. >> he's not watching or producing this show from another city. >> actually not only die read joe's book i bought a copy of joe's book which for washington pundits it's unheard of. quoting bill buckley who started out as a ideological conservative and said what the republicans always need to do is pick the most electable conservative. not the purest conservative but the most electable conservative. i think it's basically a conservative party. we can argue what the label means. we all know what it means.
and that's probably not ted cruz because he's just too divisive. somebody like jeb bush for sure. governors start out with an advantage. the significance much what christie said is he's trying to knock out all of the senate ideological conservatives. rubio, rand paul, like a bowling ball sort of speak. he said it will be a governor. i think history has shown recently that that's the case. governors have a better shot, usually. barack obama was the exception to the rule. the democrats who got elected, bill clinton, jimmy carter governors, et cetera. you have to look at somebody like jeb bush a former governor or somebody like chris christie or scott walker. >> so much of the conservative energy right now going to defeating obama care. under more fire today. new polling shows a majority much voters believe it's not the federal government's responsibility to provide health insurance to americans. gallup finds 56% of american
voters say it is not the government's job. 42% say it is. that's a 27 point net swing from 2008 when a majority of americans said the government should be involved in the country's health care. the white house continues to do everything it can do to get people enrolled in obama care. yesterday press secretary jay carney telling reporters the administration is working directly with insurance companies toby pass the program's flawed website. but according to politico the problems with haerlts.gov go back to the early months of spring. last night president obama lined on some 200,000 grassroot supporters suggesting they make this holiday season political. during the conference call with organizing for action he said quote we have to remember the conversations that we we've got around the dinner table. when we're talking to co-workers at christmas parties. when we're out there in our communities our churches our synagogues, all of our places of worship. now is the time to remind people that we've got to make sure that
everybody takes the opportunity to get affordable care for first time. 42% approve of president obama's job. where does he go from here? >> willie, i think it's fascinating the president -- he made the big bet not in his first presidential campaign but when he became president to put it all on health care. there are other ways he could have gone achieve his goal of stronger middle class, bringing people out of poverty. he made the big bet on this. it helped arguably helped him get re-elected especially because hispanic voters responded overwhelmingly to the promise of health care. now he's in office and now he has to follow through. he's not backing down. i don't think he can back down at this point. he has to make the big case for what's morally right about it but he's got to execute. they got to execute the thing. and he's -- i said he should mount a third campaign. he's got to do almost a third
presidential campaign. but i'm not sure if it's going to work. i sort of agree with donny that this is a big, big, big bet on the american people's idea of the role of government. and it's potentially a huge disaster for the democrats. >> if the president does what howard is prescribing a big campaign the sequencing is tricky. at the same time he's contemplating the big campaign, you got senate democrats getting panicked. you ask mark pry or in arkansas, you ask mary landrieu in louisiana, these are all democrats who were elected in 2008, red states, states that mitt romney in some cases won overwhelmingly and they voted for obama care. they get one shot right now to distance themselves from obama care and distance themselves from that vote. the president is trying to make the case for obama care. >> what he's got to do in my view, what do i know. he can't allow that happen.
they are all is going rise or fall on this and he's got to do what he's not very good at, frankly, which is get them in the room individually and say look we got figure out a way. i promise you we'll fix it. we'll fix it technically. we'll do it. you've got to -- you got to be on board. still only november 2013 election is not until 2014. >> do they think he's reliable. >> he doesn't have much of a relationship with them personally. >> from a leadership point of view how damaging is this report coming out? basically listing a whole host of problems the website wouldn't be ready, enrollment numbers would be difficult. there wasn't enough test pornography. the fact that report was produced in the spring and politico and "post" reporting that everybody in the white house knew about it. who was there in the west wing
to go into the oval office and go to the president and say we have a serious problem. what's happening is not happening. you can be the bad cop in the west wing. >> the bad cop is president obama. what he said to the american people he misled them. >> an understatement. >> you can't spin i want any other way. we all know his personal ratings were always strong. my concern is perception, is reality. there is such zealous opposition to this. i don't see what will turn around. there's not enough facts out there proof points going forward in the next 18 months, 24 months that this is working that will overwhelm the passionate stories on the right because there will continue to be stories where it's failing. even if it's not failing. i don't know -- i think the toothpaste -- i feel badly -- >> you understand how the media works. the anecdotes will kill you.
it's anecdotes that help make the case for obama care to begin with and now it's the nature of politics that will turn it around the other way. >> republicans and conservative ideas have been put out there and there have been huge controversy around them and some of them failed. financial grip circumstance republicans basically own. the iraq war and the out come republicans own. george w. bush own that. this is the first time you had a major democratic policy experiment in a long time i can't think 30, 40 years that's put out there that will affect tens of millions of americans and i agree with you, putting the toothpaste back in the tube after that once it's out there all these people are experimenting with it and it's a failure very hard to do quick fixes. >> as if the white house didn't have enough problems president obama will meet with top senators today at the white house to discuss iran's nuclear ambitions. administration is calling on doing allow more time for diplomacy teen hold off on imposing new sanctions against the regime. that approach is strange american ties with israel.
prime minister netanyahu is openly criticizing a draft deal that would take initial steps to freeze iran's nuclear program while providing economic relief but two top foreign policy experts disagree with the prime minister's position. in a statement, brzezinski, mika's day write in part quote should the united states fail to take this historic opportunity we risk filing achieve our nonproliferation goal and losing the support of allies and friends while indeterioration probability of war. additional sanctions now against iran with the view to extracting even more concessions in the negotiations will risk undermining or even shutting down negotiations. if the united states is wrong to be handing the iranian regime a lifeline at a point when iran is crippled by sanctions why not just bring the iranians to their knee, carry on with the
sanctions and say we're going dictate the terms. >> i totally agree with you. in today's "wall street journal" there's -- i'm sorry in the "new york times" there's a quote saying we need israel, the administration, the israeli has a different view. we want to put constraints and limiteds on iran's nuclear program. israelis want to dismantle. it's a fundamental disagreement. i don't believe it's bridgeable. israelis believe iran cannot, must not have a nuclear weapons capability. meaning they can't even have the infrastructure to build a nuclear bomb. administration's position is -- >> they say they are a year and a half away. >> absolutely. but the administration is saying we need to keep the infrastructure in place. we can let the infrastructure remain in place. let iran have its nuclear program and just hopefully we can turn off their ability to turn off a bomb in the near
future. six months, 12 months why remove the pressure now just as you said when iran -- >> the white house's argument is they never had such good signals from iran. they have to test this. the responsible thing is to at least give negotiate ago as shot. >> looking at purely politically the problem he's got he's bringing senators in there and say trust me. i know the details of this. trust me. by the way the israelis claim they don't know all of what's going on in these negotiations which on one level they shouldn't but on another level they should. those senators are looking at barack obama saying we should trust you why. >> after this syrian thing. >> he's got a problem politically selling this. i would say to the israelis who are watching american politics, it's a dangerous thing to make support for israel into a purely partisan issue. and make it one party versus another party. that's never been the case. and republicans, conservative recognizes who would like to
make israel their issue -- >> can i make one very quick points. first of all the problem with the administration right now it's democrats, congressional democrats who are worried about these negotiations, it's not just republicans. secondly i just returned from the persian gulf a couple of weeks ago not just israel's leaders. go to any persian gulf country any country is panicked. barack obama has brought arab leaders and israeli leaders together not the way he envisioned. >> the way the issue is being framed something israel, it's israel versus the united states. where is the coverage of the other countries? >> you're in the news business i'm not. >> dan senor, howard fineman good to see you guys. >> a lot of not smart people including myself on this show but two smart guys. refreshing. >> about time we bring the smart guys on. up next congressman clyburn from south carolina joins the
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welcome back to "morning joe." assistant house minority leader democratic congressman from south carolina, representative jim clyburn. in washington nbc news chief white house correspondent and host of daily rundown chuck todd. we need to address chuck todd's glasses. chuck we saw you -- are these new? >> i wish. >> on the bridge of your news. >> look, my eyesight is so bad the contacts are not enough.
if i could have handled bifocal contact lenses i would have them. >> go to an optometrist not cvs. >> conman good to see you this morning. >> thank you. thanks for having me. >> let's talk about a comment you made the other day. you talked about the democrats that voted for the upton bill to keep your health care plan. you said most of them 39 of them were insulating themselves for primary season. do you believe they didn't have principled disagreements with what's happening with the affordable care act? >> well, thank you so much. what i said was several of them, i spoke with, were in fact insulating themselves from sound bites. i think we all know that up here one of the real dangers lies in
the fact that people are really afraid of these poison pills that get stuck in the bill. upton bill talked about people holding on the their policies if they liked them it also said in the second part that the insurance companies could continue to sell substandard policies. every democrat i know is against that. but the first part of that would end up in a sound bite when they are out there running for r re-elections felt they needed to insulate them. 32 or 34 members voted against the bill way back when we first passed the law. >> but, congressman, maybe members of congress are just in step with the american public. if you look at the new gallup poll that's just come out the numbers of people who think
health care is a government responsibility as we said earlier has decline significantly. clearly americans just don't think government is able to run this thing. so maybe those members who voted for the upton bill were reflecting what their constituents are thinking. >> well, you know, i think that may be current thought amongst some people, but social security seemed to be run pretty well to me. medicare runs pretty well. the veterans administration runs pretty well. the government k-in fact, run big programs. and when the american people had an opportunity to let their feelings be known as to whether or not we should privatize social security, they said with a loud resounding no, we do not want to see social security privatized. so they must want the government to run it. so, we're having a roll out problem. i think it will get fixed. i think the affordable care act allowing people to stay on their insurance policies once they get sick, i think the real big
problem to the american people is for you to pay your premium for decades and then all of a sudden something shows up on your x-ray or you go for your second treatment and you gate letter from the insurance company cancelling your policies. cancellation letters are not new. ever since i've been in congress for 21 years i've been hearing from my constituents about getting cancellation letters from insurance companies as soon as they got sick or because they've reached some limit for the year or for their lifetime. so, i think that we ought to keep plugging along, get this thing fixed and i think the american people are going to like the affordable care act once they get a chance to use it. >> chuck todd, congressman just touched upon a reality that's affected millions of americans over the years and that's the insurance companies' role in the deliverance of health care. no matter whether you have a
basic bare bones plan or a cadillac plan you feel the hand of the insurance company at some point during an illness or a hospital stay. is the white house at all concerned -- what's the level of concern, if any, they have about the alliance they have created, the marriage that they have formed between the insurance companies and the federal government, the aca in order to get something done? are they at all concerned about that? >> not any more. this is the deal they made. this is the decision they made at the beginning when they decided to build on the structure of what we have versus trying to create a new structure. trying to, you know, create a new way, maybe even getting read of employer based insurance and when that decision, you know, was made and part of that had to do with politics the insurance companies basically torpedoed efforts to reform health care in the '90s so this time if you can't beat them join them. they made that decision.
now, mike, i think this, they are in bed with the insurance companies. and i think this is -- you can tell it's an uneasy alliance. i can tell you that the white house is disappointed that the insurance companies aren't being -- aren't promoting health care reform more. did an examination of this yesterday on my show about the lack of -- it's amazing how little insurance companies have done to at all promote the law and you would think it's good business for them to now. of course part of that could be there's no website to point to. >> they are not surprised by it, i hope? >> no, they were not surprised but i think that they are disappointed that the health insurance companies aren't more publicly enthusiastic since this law was essentially designed to give them more business. >> congressman, this is nicole wallace. >> yes. >> wonder what could the white house do to make your job
easier? >> well, i think we got to get the website fixed. but i really believe and i argued this early on, that we need to push this out into the insurance companies if we're going to be in bed with them, let's bring them into this process. because a lot of these insurance companies have been signing people up, informing their policy holders. this letter they are sending out don't just cancel the policies let them know what the alternatives are. you're going to benefit from this in the long run because you'll get more business. so you ought to be saying to your policy holders these are the alternatives. the policy you got does not cover a child with diabetes or it has lifetime limit. here's what the alternatives are and how we can make your life much better and sell you a policy that may be cheaper and will cover more. i think that burden is on the
insurance companies and they ought to go out and sort of man and woman up and get it done. >> real quick. we're a few days from december 1st next line in the sand. behind the doors of the white house, are they jittery. will there be a turn there? >> i would say somewhere in between what you just said. i mean they are jittery. they know everything is on december 1st, you know november 30th december 1st for to it work. there's more optimism. i think they think it is going to be a working website. now, this time it seems that they learned their lessons about expectations and they are trying to sort of damp things down. they don't mind the articles in the last 48 hours maybe only four or five will have success or maybe they will find other ways that they are trying to, for once under promise. we'll see. >> have to explain too the
findings of the front wage of the "the washington post" that said they knew about these problems with the website back in march. >> congressman, appreciate your time. chuck todd we'll let you get back to your wise looking gases and see you on "the daily rundown." >> we'll see you in 90 munns on the daily rundown. want to turn to that ongoing saga regarding rob ford. it came to a head yesterday. city council voting to strip him of much of his official responsibility. he loses half of his staff, most of his legislative duties. ford has no plans to go away quietly. here he is during the meeting mimicking drinking and driving while a city council member is talk. that member had been stopped and given a warning at a dui checkpoint in the spring. mayor ford acknowledged he may have driven drunk in the past. the drama continues. screaming shame, shame, shame they scream from the public
gallery. he taunted back yelling at the voters in the gallery. later mayor ford takes off and knocks into a female council member. he said he was rushing to help his brother who was a councilman who was in an alteration. the mayor apologized for that and he spoke with matt lauer yesterday shortly after that meeting. >> let's say you go on one of those billings and the phone rings at 3:00 a.m. on a saturday night and something terrible happens in toronto. a terrorist attack, a disaster. will you be capable and stable enough to handle? >> very few isolated incidents that happened. you're absolutely right. i'm very fortunate that hasn't happened. but that could happen with anybody at any time. say you were out drinking or you're drunk and say something happened to your family -- hold on. >> the lives of a million family is not on my decisions. >> hold on. say your son or daughter got killed in a car accident and
your plastered at 3:00 in the morning can you handle that. >> i take personal responsibility for my family. you have taxpayers depending on you. >> i take personal responsibility for them too. >> great job by matt lauer keeping a straight face. joining us from toronto, ashley roe. we appreciate your time. this has become a laughing stock around the world but not so funny to people who have to live in the city of toronto. what's the mood there as the spectacle goes on to another day? >> people are still laughing, unfortunately. there's some very serious and unprecedented stuff that's going on here at city hall in toronto and yet the entertainment of it, the come divisive it is really taking center stage. yes. historic vote took place yesterday. the mayor has been stripped of much of his powers. he's pretty much mayor in name only, a certificamayor only to cuttings.
the powers have been handed to the deputy mayor. >> this is about toronto's demographics. where does the mayor's support come from. and where do they say enough is enough. >> this is just an incident. the four brothers in particular the mayor are rewriting the rule book on political pr. it's amazing to see how divisive this has become. he's really got -- he's a polarizing guy. we got the so-called ford nation, self-proclaimed ford nation which really is the suburban parts of the toronto area and greater toronto area. downtown core if you ask them many of them think this is a joke, auth circus and they are not supporting him. but there's a significant number of people who are saying they are going to stick with him until the end. everyone makes mistakes who cares what he does in his personal time p.m. he saved the taxpayers some money and to his credit he really does care about the city and he shows it time
and time out. however, there's all of this that has come to the fore that some people are saying enough is enough. we're really seeing a division as far as the supporters, the staunch supporters who will stick with him until his dying day and those people who are saying enough is enough. >> you just wonder how much longer this can go on. ctv ashley roe joining us this morning from toronto. thanks for your time. >> my pleasure. >> coming up next "gq's" magazine men of the year featuring five separate covers. we'll go inside the issue with our good friend michael hainey, deputy editor of "gq." that's ahead on "morning joe." ♪
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years ago, certainly ten years ago would be close on being the cover. >> he got lost in that place but he is back. "mud" and this movie and a great hbo series. buyers club. >> he realized he got lost in rom shs com hell. he had the movie. >> where was this guy all along. fantastic performance. >> nice guy. one of the nicest guys around. >> he said the same thing about you. >> which speaks -- >> next year. >> don't even try. >> you don't want to go there but you kind of naturally go -- matthew mcconaughey -- >> yeah. >> donny, stop. >> this cover made me sad.
>> ifts a nice tribute to him. you talk about a "gq," it's an inspiration to a whole generation of "gq" readers and it's a poignant story about his best friend and looking back at james. >> this picture was taken when? >> we tight few years ago for our 50th anniversary issue. it was a photo that never ran. we had it in the files. >> can i go low brow. such a high brow profile. >> up say low brow. >> ron burgundy. >> high art. >> exactly. i think willie took all his accuse from ron burgundy school of broadcasting. >> i drink a lot of scotch on the air. what goes into the selection of these guys because all five of them are so different. >> justin timberlake had a great
year. very scientific process. a bunch of editors sitting around and making the case. >> why five? not one? >> we always like to do multiple cars for man of the year. who can be one man of the year. we like to do four or five. you get a comedy hit. >> nobody from politics. interesting. >> what's that? >> nobody from politic? >> we have politicians inside. we have chris christie inside. we thought of him putting him on the cover. he's the elephant in the room. >> very interesting marketing move for "gq" to put a guy who is not seen as in shape, overly handsome fellow, would have bean bold move. >> we want him on the cover. he's a difficult guy. you saw how he's going craft his image over the next few years. that will be interesting to watch as a marketing man. >> he also wouldn't wear a skinny tie for the cover. that ruled him out.
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♪ we are the bears shuffling crew shuffle do you think ♪ >> oh, my goodness. sweet, sweet music. 1985 chicago bears doing the world-famous super bowl shuffle. by the way, they were nominated for a grammy for that. great piece of trivia. with us now, "new york times" best-selling author rich cohen, author of "monsters: the 1985 chicago bears." good to see you. >> great to be here. >> people who weren't bears fans or followed football around this
team, explain why this team meant so much not just to the people in chicago but nationally. >> this was the first team to break out and become pop stars. the beginning of the nfl ascent and leaving baseball in the dust. that '85 bears team was like the beatles. there was a bear for every fan. there was jim mccann for the punky daredevils, kicked out of brigham young for violating the mormon code, sweetness, and they completely destroyed teams that year. they had the best defense in history. they made the "super bowl shuffle, "like the theme song for "the brady bunch." it told you the entire story of the team. mostly they had a revolutionary defense. seemed like they were having such great fun destroying everybody else. >> didn't they make "the super bowl shuffle" sometime around thanksgiving, in november, pretty cold a couple months before the super bowl? >> the background for this team is the 1984 cubs. and the chicago cubs last won a world series when my grandfather was in poland walking behind a
mule. the cubs have this republican strategistry of making songs. when "the super bowl shuffle" came out, my brother burst into tears, like, my god, they've done it again. every team made a cop i cycatco. l.a. rams made "let's ram it." >> the interesting thing with the coach, mike ditka, you're correct, the first nfl team in my memory that had a real vivid personality. and i'm wondering how much ditka played a part in the development of that personality and then in the lance armstronger sche ee e larger scheme of things the disappearance of the personality in the national football league. >> there's this huge back story with the bears like out of the godfath godfather. they were started by george halas, who started the nfl. ditka won a championship for halas and then was sent into exile. he said halas was so cheap he
throws around nickels like manhole covers. he went to dallas. halas brought him back. the way he coached was ready, fire, aim. that's what they always said about him. he ended up sort of letting a thousand flowers bloom with all these different personalities. in ditka's career, he wins with that team, then ends up with the saints, like a spruce tree growing on a beach. doesn't make any sense. by that time the game had so changed, the franchise was so valuable, you couldn't have guys like the '85 bears who were all completely nut, completely characters. i always said the two things every bear did after winning the super bowl, write a book and open a bar. 22 guys opened bars. >> is that why it wasn't sustainable? because the truth is, i mean, it's like i if maybe the '86 mets, such great players on it, why they didn't win more. is it because there were so many moving parts, there's no way it could come together again, because you rode them so hard? >> i spend a whole chapter in the book trying to figure out
the reasons. there are a lot of reasons. one was that, they ran so hot, they couldn't do it again. another is jim mcmahon, my favorite player on that team, the quarterback, was so important, not only a great quarterback but flaky enough to stand up to ditka. ditka famously ground down quarterbacks. watch him deal with jim harbaugh when harbaugh was a quarterback. ditka would yell at mcmahon, mcmahon would give him the finger, ditka would call a play, mcmahon would change the play and the bears would score and win the game. when ditka was out, that was it. after '86 mcmahon asked on tv what position the team should draft for and mcmahon said "owner." that was the beginning of the end of mcmahon. he was traded not long after. that had a huge part of it. >> i have a technical question. do you know all the words to "the super bowl shuffle"? >> unfortunately i do. sometimes i'll be in the shower and they'll come to me. >> i think willie does too. >> i do. >> do you know every word?
>> i got the vhs tape that christmas in 1985. my whole family's from chicago so we were coming up as bears fans. i got the vhs tape, had it memorized in about two days or so. my favorite verse the probably the last from the fridge. we can't talk about your book without talking about the phenomenon. william "the refrigerator" perry scoring the touchdown in the super bowl. he just exploded. >> a big back story to that is the bears lost the '84 nfc title game to the 49ers to bill walsh who ditka referred to as the genius, in quotes. at the end of that game to run out the clock, walsh gave ball to a guard and called it the angus formation. to ditka, this was like a coded insult. when they got back to san francisco, running out the clock, they gave it to a big fat offensive guard. last year we're going to give it to a big fat defensive lineman. they gave it to the fridge and he became a phenomenon to the point in chicago we had the
fridge-ette cheerleaders, big, giant cheerleader who is looked like the fridge. it was like a frankenstein monster. when you mention that team, they'll say, the fridge. >> that's right. looking at the fridge on the rookie, i may be large cattie but i'm no dumb cookie. >> very good. >> the book is "monsters: the 1985 chicago bears and the wild heart of football." you don't have to be a football fan to enjo i this great story. thanks so much. >> thanks. up next, george zimmerman facing new domestic violence charges, the 91 calls from his girlfriend that had police rushing to their home. ahead on "morning joe." ♪ does anybody really care life's an adventure when you're with her.
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folks, remind me of when i was watching with my brother when saddam attacked kuwait. and president bush said, i warn you, i warn you, i warn you, do not. well, folks, if you think american-style politics is not deep, you have just attacked kuwait. >> 8:00 in the morning on the east coast, 5:00 a.m. on the west coast. back on set, catty kay, nicole wallace, mike barnicle, and donny deutsch.
if you didn't follow that parallel, this is the first gulf war. >> right. >> he's george h.w. bush, mayor ford is. >> he's bush. >> he's warning the city council, who is saddam, don't invade kuwait. i'm giving you fair warning if you invade kuwait, i'm going to get you. >> i'm going to get you. quite obviously. right? rudy giuliani was america's mayor. this is the world's mayor. >> there is no doubt about it. in addition to being an adjunct history -- professor of history some places clearly because the metaphors he employs. >> wow. you're our resident stuff about -- guy who's gone through the ages and knows everything because you've been around a long time. >> wow. >> donny deutsch going dirty. >> are you related to rob ford? >> at least he leaves his clothes on. >> we don't have doris kearns goodwin here. in the history of politicians,
goofy politicians behaving absurdly, number one? >> oh -- >> really think it through though. i'm going to put this guy as a michael jordan. >> it's a short list. >> name one that beats him. >> blago is up there. >> blago was on my mind yesterday. >> marion barry obviously. >> not as good though. >> not as good? >> as ford. >> let's walk you through what happened yesterday. the circus surrounding toronto mayor rob ford came to a head yesterday, the city council voting to strip the mayor of much of his official sont responsibility. he loses half of his staff and most of his legislative duties. but mayor ford says he has no plans to go away. here he is. what's he doing there now? >> driving. >> mimicking drinking and driving while a city council member is speaking. wow. that same member had been stopped and give an warning at a dui checkpoint last spring. taunting the member. mayor ford has acknowledged he
may have driven drunk in the past. the drama continues, people screaming "shame, shame, shame" from the public gallery, mayor ford taking them on. later, ford takes off in the chamber, knocks over a female council member. >> oh my god. >> before helping her back to her feet. he later said he was rushing to help his brother, who's also a councilman, who he said was in an altercation. the mayor did apologize but was defiant yesterday over the moves to undercut his authority, even took a moment to plug his new tv show, one which debuted last night. >> this is nothing more than a coup d'etat. and if you don't know what a coup d'etat means, it means that you're overruling a government. and some people said this is democracy. what's happening here today is not a democratic process. it's a dictatorship process.
i want people to listen to me tonight from 8:00 to 9:00 on sun news. you'll get my side of the story. okay? unfiltered. >> what are you going to do, rob, in moving forward, the gentleman asked you what are you going to do in the next -- >> well, i'm dealing with the health care professionals. >> no, no. what the question is, what's the game plan? we're building subways in the next election. >> absolutely. i think personally how are you going to basically change your -- i'm going to be working out. if i'm not down 30, 40 pounds in the next six mos then i can eat my words. you know? i'm dealing with a team of professionals. i haven't touched a drop of alcohol. >> the brothers had their new show debuting last night on sun news. you wonder how much longer it could go on. through the laughter, toronto is a major important city in the world, a great city. >> his approval ratings did well
after the first stuff came out, the crack video stuff. i think a lot of this is about the demographics of toronto, that he has this suburban base of support he's feeling slightly encroached upon by the city, becoming full of immigrants, a very diverse city now. they see rob ford having a coup d'etat in kuwait as their champion. >> are we all losing that connection? i mean, is it contagious? >> you wonder if the people want to see him stay -- of course the show ends when he goes. it's an odd -- >> the other thing, it's like there's thirst for the authentic. whenever you think about him -- >> might be a little too authentic. there is a line. >> he is authentic. >> why does everyone slow down when they see a car crash on the opposite side of the highway? this is what this is. we're witnessing a human car crash every day on tv up there and now here we see rob ford.
every day. >> i think there's something to nicole's point. i think he has a general base of support that sees him as the total nonpolitician who can do this crazy stuff without apologizing because there's no contrition in rob ford whatsoever. talking tact drunk driving mimicking. >> a normal politician apologizes, resigns, goes to rehab, and runs for mayor a few years later. but he's just gutting it out. >> completely messed up. >> let's go to our image maker, donny deutsch. what do you do with rob ford at this point? >> it's interesting. i actually do exactly what nicole -- talking about i keep alluding to it. you know, he is this cartoon at this point, and say whatever you want, you can't take your eyes off him. and he's fighting and he's slugging and he's absurd, but i walk right into the absurd and go all in with what he's doing. in a strange, bizarre way i would love to see numbers of what people of that great city think about him. and something bizarrely tells me
they might be behind him. absurd as that is. >> you're never going to convince his critics at this point he's reasonable guy. right? he's never going to win anyone over the thinking what a serious, sensible politician he really is. so you may as well play to your base, which are the people that you're standing up for them in some way against this very fast-changing city. >> it's the peter finch network. >> saddam hussein who maybe at the gates of -- >> look, there's nothing that sums up the absurd convergence of politics and media and entertainment than what's going on here. >> should we go from one absurdity to another? because we're staying really high brow this morning. unbelievable. in just a few hours george zimmerman will appear in court again to face his latest round of legal problems. he was arrested yesterday at the florida home of his girlfriend, samantha. she called 911 in a panic saying zimmerman pointed a shotgun at her. >> you just broke my glass table. broke my sunglasses and you put
your gun in my freaking face and told me to get the [ bleep ] out. this is not your house. get out of here. >> it is the second time zimmerman has been accused of domestic violence since he was acquitted of trayvon martin's murder. in yesterday's incident, he claims his girlfriend, who he says is pregnant, became violent as he was moving out. >> at first she was letting me pack my stuff so that i could go -- you know, we could go our own ways amicably. when she changed, she just started smashing stuff, taking stuff that belonged to me, throwing it outside, throwing it out of her room, throwing it all over the house. >> i think there's no excuse for being violent against a pregnant woman, but anyway, zimmerman is being held without bail on felony and misdemeanor charges. >> this is the second, third time he's been in trouble with the law since the trayvon martin case ended. >> and with a gun. >> and with a gun. >> i think it's the third. >> something tells me this story is not going to end well for george zimmerman. there won't be a happy ending
there. >> it will be a better ending than trayvon martin had. >> it might be better for his girlfriend if she manages to get him out of the house. sounds like that needs to happen. let's talk a little politics. dick cheney and his wife, lynn, are breaking the silence on the family split on the issue of family values. liz cheney challenging mike enzi in wyoming discussed her opposition to marriages between gay and lesbian couples. that led to mary cheney and her wife, heather, her cyst, to respond on facebook, criticizing the remarks and highlighting the fact liz only moved to wyoming recently, a potential vulnerability in her campaign. then the parents got involved yesterday releasing a statement that reads in part, "this is an issue we have dealt with privately for many years and we're pained to see it become publ public. liz has always believed in the traditional definition of marriage, always treated her sister and her sister's family with love and respect, exactly
as she should have done. compassion is called for, even when there is disagreement about such a fundamental matter and liz's many kindnesses shouldn't be used to distort her position." former vice president cheney has said he supports same-sex marriage at the state level. nicole, you know the cheneys. what forced dick cheney to go out publicly yesterday and put out a statement over a family matter? >> yeah, look, i anyothink anyon a family understands that families fight so, i don't think it was the sort of thing that people couldn't relate to. a dispute among family. i think that what must have stung is what gene robinson writes about in today's "post." heather writes about something that -- some of liz cheney's critics believe is her greatest vulnerability, and that is the suggestion that the hint that this was a political
calculation. heather writes -- heather and mary are married, have two children together, and heather took to facebook and wrote that as liz moves from state to state she may find her family isn't protected by same laws that she is. liz's greatest vulnerable this her senate run is this charge of political calculation, this charge that she set out, she picked wyoming on a map, set out there to unseat a popular conservative republican. so i think that what happened was something political, not personal that may have inspired this statement because what's personal is that, yes, families sometimes, you know, they love each other but they sometimes fight in violent ways that you don't see people outside the family do. but what's extraordinary to me is that this family, for the entire duration of the bush years, this family stuck together like glue. and mary's sexuality became a political issue front and center when john kerry, who ran against george w. bush, made it one in
2004. so this family has dealt with same-sex marriage -- >> how do you mean? >> it came up in a debate and the cheneys felt compelled -- peter writes about it in his book, how lynne cheney felt compelled to defend mary and call then senator kerry out for raising the issue. i think that it came up in the vice presidential debate, too, between tidick cheney. all i'm saying is it's not like this issue has never been discussed in a political context. >> you mention the word personal, and i believe at the end of the day voters vote for who they like best. say what you want, when you have a sibling who's living a life a certain way and they're happy and they have children and you still come out on the other side. wherever you are politically, you just kind of go wow, wow. >> it's not liability in the republican party to say i have a personal -- >> it makes you infinitely le l
appealing as a human being. when you line up against your family member. >> i have some qualms about people taking personal family fights onto social media, though, and making them public political discussion, don't you? this was clear -- in days of pre-facebook and pre-twitter we wouldn't be having this discussion about the fight between the two sisters unless they'd written an op-ed about it. but the way things get dashed off on with speed on facebook and after a moment of reflection you wonder if that's what you want to say to the whole world about your sister. >> i think there have been calls. i think this feels to me like it has been long simmering as this campaign has rolled on. mary and heather seem genuinely stung by liz using this as a political defining issue for her. and there is history of very conservative republicans who have same-sex relationships that they are around, that they
have -- they've all done the issue. rob portman is one of them. vice president cheney is another. liz had plenty of very conservative people to look at in terms of bridging what may have been a prior belief. >> i would have to think, just looking at this story as it's played out over the past couple of days, that liz cheney's biggest liability in running for the united states senate in a republican party is the fact she is not from wyoming and just proved it with this. she is a captain of the conservative tea party washington mentality. i would doubt seriously whether gay marriage is on if radar in wyoming in terms of issues that affect people, that people are interested in. and the fact that she has raised it, at least to me, in my intimate knowledge of wyoming politics and life in wyoming, i just don't think it's on people's screens out there. >> i think liz may be on the right side from a policy standpoint, but as we all know, voters make much more complicated calculations.
>> politico has a story saying this isn't making waves in wyoming. doesn't seem to be a big factor there. let's move on to education secretary arne duncan apologizing for controversial comments he made while defending tougher common core educational standards. last week he said, "it's fas mating to me some of the pushback is coming from sort of white suburban mom who is all of a sudden their child isn't as brilliant as they thought they were and their school isn't quite as good as they thought they were and that's pretty scary." he admits it was clumsy phrasing that he now regrets. he says he was trying to show every demographic group has room foor improvement in education and many wrongly assume it only applies to poor minority students. >> it's interesting, and obviously in this world of political correctness, anybody understood what he was trying to say there. and obviously had to apologize, but that was not a racial point. i think he was just trying to make a point, an establishment point, and that's a shorthanded
for saying that. make any sense? >> you can see why a white suburban mom would be offended by that. if you put the shoe on the other foot it would be exponentially more offensive and a bigger story. >> as a white guy, didn't phase me at all because i understood the point he was making. >> coming up, he'll check in with politico's jim vandehei. and controversy on campus as students stage a "catch an immigrant" game. and the moment an elderly man falls onto train tracks. the frightening footage ahead. first bill karins has the forecast. >> frig tong shtening to say th. while we continue the cleanup from the tornadoes, we're talking about arctic, bone-chilling cold, january-style cold. the temperatures in alaska, where the cold air is coming from, we're at minus 4 in anchorage right now.
it is 3 in barro, alaska. by the way, they saw their last sunset yesterday. the sun will not rise again until mid to late january. i don't know how they do it. as far as the lower 48 goes, here's wh where the cold is coming from. it's spread to yellow neck y it's minus 15, and this cold air will alive in the northern plains thursday. by sunday it will make its way to the eastern seaboard. be prepared for a frigid weekend. ohio valley, great lakes, the east coast. a little rain out there in the northwest, snow showers in the higher elevations. otherwise an easy travel day across the country. we leave you with a shot of a cold, chilly chicago. temperatures this morning down near freezing. bundle up. you're watching "morning joe."
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let's take a look at the morning papers. "wall street journal," ben bernanke says digital currencies like bitcoin have long-term promise. at a hearing yesterday regulators did not propose any new guidelines but did acknowledge the risk of using the new money. the price of the bitcoin soared to $900 yesterday before dropping 15%. >> the "l.a. times," jpmorgan chase and the justice department are closer to a final deal on a record-breaking $13 billion settlement. under the agreement, the bank would accept responsibility for problems with mortgages marketed by washington mutual.
the proposal is also expected to include $4 billion in relief for home owners. a final agreement could be announced today. >> "usa today," a conservative student organization at the university of texas announced plans to play a game called "catch the illegal immigrant" on campus. >> come on. >> the young conservatives of texas plan to have students wear signs -- is this real? -- that say illegal immigrant tomorrow. those who capture them will receive $2,500 gift certificates. participants say it's a way to open up a discussion about immigration. campus officials say it's a violation of the school's honor code and are threatening expulsion for those who participate. >> your party not looking more embracing of people. >> $25 gift certificates. wow. >> "new york times," seaworld's float at the macy's thanksgiving day parade is sparking outrage with nearly 80,000 people calling for its removal.
animal rights activist says the float, which depicts killer whales in a tank, is inappropriate in light of a recent documentary which focuses on seaworld and the negative effects of raising killer whales in captivity. >> please. >> macy's says it has to, quote, provide a range of entertaining elements without judgment, endorsement or agenda or tickets to seaworld. >> we have mike barnicle's tape, muttered under his breath. how about this from -- >> the animal rights people, see what they do. >> i just -- for the record i disagree. >> just go home and take care of -- >> aren't there killer whales in cages? don't we still have whales in -- or is that the point? >> they're at seaworld. ? they're unhappy. free willy. i got it. >> and the killing of a young trainer. imagine how many parents will be unhappy having to take their kids to the parade? >> talk about captivity.
"the australian" an 88-year-old man from australia narrowly esz caping the path of an oncoming train. he can be seen falling from the platform. how is he going to get out of this? with only seconds to spare, the train conductor uses the emergency brake to stop inches from the man's head. they believe the man may have fainted before he fell. suffered only minor injuries. >> wow. >> "cleveland plain dealer," a walmart store in ohio is under fire for collecting holiday food for its own employees. walmart's spokesperson says associates at the store came up with the idea to set up the collection citing the company's culture of helping those facing hardship. yet in interviews with the newspaper, employees say it's proof the retailer fails to provide adequate compensation. >> i was going to say. >> hanging curveball. >> "new york times." new studies show curing insomnia in patients with depression can double the odds of a full
recovery. a reporter from ryerson university in toronto found 87% of patients treated for insome knee also saw their symptoms of depression diminish. nearly 18 million americans suffer from depression. >> i totally buy that. >> sleep is everything. >> i vaguely remember what happened in my sleep. >> a long time ago. >> amnesia as well. "san jose mercury news." the term selfie has been declared the word of the year by oxford dictionaries, beating out other words like twerk. it got its start on instagram and twitter before going mainstream. i think it should have stayed there. >> different definition of selfie. >> wow. wow. wow. >> plus no one ever looks good in a selfie because you can't get your handle up. >> but people practice enough they get good at it. they get the duck lips and the whole thing. >> the young orson welles. >> let's go down to politico. look at the playbook.
the president, the ceo, many other titles of politico and capital new york, mr. jim vandehei. good morning. >> how are you? >> doing okay. let's talk a little 2016. former florida governor jeb bush fueling some talk in new york city at the 92nd street y, kind of talking act his conservative credentials when asked. >> yeah. the big knock on him has been that is he too moderate, can he actually win a republican primary. he was arguing that, listen, i'm conservative as any member of congress if you look at my record, what i did, as governor. what's interesting about jeb bush is the assumption was month ago there's no chance that he runs. more and more we're hearing from people who are talking to him that he actually is interested and certainly has not made the decision to do it but much more likely to do it today than he would have been a couple months ago. if he were to run, he'd be a formidable force. obviously his track record in florida, i think his capacity to win over swing voters. there's an interesting moment
last night in his interview where he was saying, listen, if we keep trying to be a pure party we're going to be a minority party forever and he took congressman steve king from iowa and others to task for saying things about immigration reform and other issues that are insulting to voters. so he's willing to say he's conservative but also take on his own party. >> is jeb bush more willing to run today than he was a month ago, two months ago, why do you think that is? >> well, you know, i was jeb's press secretary during his first term and the notion that he could be not conservative enough to me speaks only to how much the party has changed. it sort of reminds me of zell miller and joe leishman talking act how they didn't change but the democratic party changed in the late '90s and after 2000. so i think this is possibly jeb looking at how much the party's changed and really harkening back to a time when the republican party was the party of ideas, was the party of
intellectual curiosity, and was the party of government that works. that is exactly how he governed the state of florida. he got credit and criticism for being an intellectual force for putting conservative ideas to work and changing education and stimulating the economy and all these things. i think what jim's talking about may be part of jeb's thinking through that. >> nicole, my big concern for jeb bush is the name bush, is that with the republican party so in tatters and just people fed up with politics in general, 9% congressional approval rating, people want to turn the page at this point. >> they can turn the page. >> at this point it would be -- i would have a hard time selling a bush. i just think america is ready to move on. >> i think there's an appetite for outsiders but in the republican party we have an insatiable appetite for successful conservative governors and jeb is at the top of that list. i think that counteracts. i also think president george w. bush has a higher approval rating that the hour than the
current president. i also think his father, bush 41, is one of the most revered political figures in the country and around the world. i think the bushes, both of them, all of them have done a lot to restore the bush family name. >> jeb gave me some idea about what he thinks about the current political dialogue. he said i'm a conservative and a practicing one, not a talk-about it one. i would put my record up against anybody in congress right now. his tone. maybe -- >> if he runs he is the one guy out there who i think perfectly matches these three things -- an extremely conservative record, the ability to sit face to face, shoulder to shoulder with people who don't believe in anything he believes in and have a productive conversation with them, and a real maturity and understanding of the need to have a thick skin and really to have a long view in politics. >> that was jeb here in new york city at the 92nd street y. another potential candidate, senator rand paul, appeared on fox news yesterday where he responded to governor scott
walker's recent comment that the 2016 republican nominee should be someone from outside washington. >> why wouldn't voters want an outsider in 2016? a republican governor, maybe a conservative governor of a blue state. >> i think -- >> no names. >> i think they want someone outside of, you know, what's been going on. so, for example, someone like myself who's been promoting term limits, someone who says we shouldn't have, you know, decade after decade longevity up here. i think i'm enough new here to still be perceived as an outsider should that be the choice in 2016. >> is chris christie a conservative? >> you know, depends on how you define that. if you have a very loose definition, probably. if you look at a lot of issues like on whether or not we should accept obama care, bring it to our state, expand medicaid, those would be at best moderate positions. but everybody has to make that judgment. i think the room for moderates in our party. >> speaking of governor chris christie and new jersey, he was
in washington speaking to business leaders at "the wall street journal's" annual ceo conference. he was asked about being characterized as a moderate by his colleagues after coming off a landslide re-election win in the blue state of new jersey. >> now, there are some republican who is say because i got 61% of the vote in new jersey he must not be conservative because how can a conservative win those? this is completely crazy to me. in other words, among these elements, the better you do, the more voters you attract, the more diverse voterious attract, the more suspect you are. there's a winning formula. >> who's conservative and not talking about the state of the party right now? >> i thought that was a great
juxtaposition. if you put chris christie and rand paul and those comments in front of a conservative crowd, rand paul is the party right now. chris christie, most conservatives don't think he's authentically conservative enough. they don't buy the argument because he got 60% that that's great for conservativism. they think that's great for electability. so i think the energy and the momentum inside the party is much more with the rand paul wing, the idea that they need somebody who is authentically conservative. i think it's the reason that chris christie's stock is very high now. i don't think it will be as high once you get to the give-and-take of a primary process. that's where i think nicole is right. you need to look at somebody who can bridge the two sides. and i think jeb bush is probably the person out there who's best positioned to do it. i don't know if he actually wants to run. we've heard a long time from his friends that he's going to say he wants to run and keep his profile high but he'll never actually pull the trigger. i do agree with nicole, he is the person out there if you plopped him on the spectrum,
rehe might be the person who can bridge. that doesn't mean a scott walker or john kasich or some governor, governor martinez, that somebody doesn't come in and plop in that exact same spot on the spectrum. >> you know, speaking of profiles, willie, our crack research staff -- >> uh-oh. >> -- picked up own a comment i made earlier, you know, your fledgling beard, now you resemble a young orson welles. look at that. >> that is kind of interesting. >> wow. >> as long as i'm not the old orson welles i'm good. >> willie is thinner. >> that is amazing. >> yeah. >> scitizen geist. >> political coe's jim vandehei, thanks. coming up, why 2014 may turn out better than you think. bloomberg business week is out with its year ahead issue tracking the big trends and breakthrough products from around the world. we'll look through the magazine's new issue next on "morning joe." don't be shy! try some pie! you're giving away pie?
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let's start with the big picture. what are you looking at in terms of business trends for next year? >> this is going to be a great year for business. avocado, not so much. i know that's what you were going to ask me about. >> obviously. >> appliances, stainless steel, we're saying a little more color, a little more white, black, maybe gray, but not avocado. i decided to start with the most important thing of the year. >> i won't go with the avocado. >> do you have an avocado question? >> i have a question because to me there seems to be a kind of contradiction in terms. on the one hand a lot of things pointing up. >> yep. >> but then you feel the bubble at the same time. >> yep. >> something's telling you. and i've never seen such kind of pop sit pull. >> right. i wrote the economic info to this package and the first thing i hit was janet yellin, what the challenges for her are going to be in 10 to 20 14.
on the one hand we've had this stimulus, the stock market hit new highs, yet the economy still underperforming, unemployment still over 7%. she has a dilemma on her hands. if she acquiesces to the pressure to remove stimulus, we could have the unemployment rate go right back up and fall into a recession again. this coming summer is going to be five years since the last recession technically ended, which is about the length of a normal business cycle. if we hit a recession this coming year, we won't have any ammunition to deal with it. we already have high federal budget deficit, already have interest rates at zero. it would not be a good situation. >> when do we see interest rates rise? everyone has a mortgage, right? >> this is the question e. when i was at cnbc three years ago, everybody said inflation, right around the corner, and yet it never came to bear. so what's going to make inflation kick? a little bit is not a bad thing, by way. >> we need more inflation. actually, we are below the fed's target. they're trying to get the
inflation rate higher, which such an unusual thing for a central bank. we're not going to have high inflation in 2014 or 2015 or 2016. the risk is that we'll be stuck in this rut, and that's what the fed is trying to get us out of. we don't want to be another japan. >> i want to bring this to politics for a second. more than ever we're seeing two cultures divided in the income, mainstream america and corporate america going opposite directions. we're seeing initial failing of the health care act, which is more government. >> yeah. >> tend to believe, then, going forward we're going to see more and more of that divide? of course the great equ equalization, for lack of a better word, is is not working. >> right. that's another big theme for 2014 is happens in this gridlock that we've been in, this 2013 was a record-breaking year for that kind of gridlock. we almost defaulted on the national debt. the prediction is that because it was such a catastrophe for
the republican party in 2013 that hurt their rate sogs much, that the republicans in congress are probably not going to push for -- to use the debt ceiling as a weapon the way they did this year and will probably raise the debt ceiling this coming year. we'll probably have a continuing resolution that will get a new budget in place, and yet we won't get what we need, which is a long-term plan for dealing with the federal budget deficits. over the longer term the result is that we won't have what either party wants. it's going to be sort of a tie. >> has business sort of forti fortified itself against the urn certainty? three, four years ago you heard about how all that instability was having a bad effect. it seems like with all your optimism about 2014 -- >> i'm not super optimistic about 2014. the bloomberg survey of the economist has the u.s. growth rate around 2.6%, which is okay but not great considering how much slack there still is left in the economy.
but one of the ceos we quote in this article is a guy you guys might have heard of named jeffrey immelt, general electric, who says, look, we have a lot of things we want out of washington but we are not building our business around the expectations we're going to get those things. >> when i speak to investors and you ask the question, where is the growth coming from, the jobs? the two areas they seem to point to over the last year, energy and health care. >> that's right. >> recently i've been hearing even the energy sector is looking a little weaker. >> energy remains a very strong sector for the u.s. it's not just north dakota where you hear about negligible unemployment, it's texas, it's throughout the shale belt, you know, up upstate new york is benefiting, pennsylvania, ohio. so that strong -- health care is just, you know, a juggernaut. it keeps going and going and going. it will be interesting to see how the affordable care act affects 2014. >> big picture for our people out there. buy low, sell high. >> great idea. >> thanks, donny.
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