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be the end of the story. in conservative media land, this scandal will never die because president obama killed god. everybody freak out. folks at media matters noticed the story today. >> this time he left the courthouse, wearing an ankle bracelet. george zimmerman's first appearance. >> facing domestic violence charges. >> aggravated assault and battery. >> the initial purpose of the hearing -- >> his girlfriend threatened her with a shot gone.
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awe his girlfriend called 911. >> he pushed me out of the house and liked me out. >> though police had arrived. >> he dialed 911, saying he never point aid gun. >> i just want everyone to know the truth. >> when the authorities investigated they did take him into custody. >> george zimmerman, spent the night behind bars. >> he can have no contact with his girlfriend. >> he can not have a weapon. >> the judge set zimmerman's bond at $9,000. >> i'm not increasing your bond. >> he is presumed innocent. >> as far as i'm concerned. this is a brand new case. >> george zimmerman's friends were not with him in court today. he stood in the florida courtroom today without the high powered defense team who got him a not guilty verdict in the murder of trayvon martin. george zimmerman's formerly publicly talkative brother was not with him in the courtroom today.
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his parents who testified in the trayvon martin trial about the goodness and kindness of their son. didn't bother to come to court today. after the latest george zimmerman 911 tapes were released yesterday. first zimmerman's girlfriend called 911. >> he is in my house breaking all my [ bleep ]. i asked him to leave. he has a freaking gun. breaking all of my stuff right now. no, this is not -- >> okay. >> i am doing this again. you just broke my glass table. you broke my sunglasses. you put your gun in my freaking face and told me to get the [ bleep ] out. >> then, even though the police were on the scene, outside of the house, trying to apprehend george zimmerman. he refused to speak to the police at the scene and instead called 911 himself. >> okay, the police is already there. and, so why are you calling? what happened? >> i just want everyone to know the truth.
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>> okay. the officer can speak with you on scene? have you already spoken with them? >> no, but they're pretty upset i think. >> even george zimmerman's friends at fox news have begun to turn on him. >> i was always of the feeling that zimmerman was a guy that was looking to be a hero. he should not have a gun. >> i think that he is a borderline psychotic at this point. >> george zimmerman was represented in court today by two public defenders. he said he could not afford an attorney because he says he has only $144 and has debts of $2.5 million. charged with aggravated assault, criminal mischief against his girlfriend. >> we are confident. he will be acquitted of these matters. then we will ask that you make sure that he is presumed innocent and stays that way. >> prosecutor told the judge that george zimmerman is even
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more dangerous than the charges indicate. >> the victim indicated there was a prior domestic violence incident that occurred approximately a week and a half ago that involved a choking. that she did not report to the police. she is in fear for her safety on the day of this incident. she indicate they'd had been discussing breaking up. he mentioned suicide in the recent past. due to the factors. the defendant indicating at the time. he was threatening to commit suicide. nothing to lose. the victim's safety, community safety is of paramount concern. >> the judge allowed george zimmerman out on bail and ordered hem to stay away from his girlfriend, samantha schott. >> no contact, not in person, not by mail, fax, tweet, facebook, no contact at all. next, no possession of any weapons, ammunition and on bond, for her safety and in part your own safety it may seem like.
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i am going to order the impact monitoring device to keep you away from her and away from those particular locations to make sure there aren't any further altercations between the two of you. as far as the passport, did you get your passport back after the last trial? >> i am not sure, my former attorney may have it. >> okay. i am not going to worry too much about your passport. i will put as a condition, no traveling outside of the state of florida while you are out on bond. >> joining me now is msnbc's joy reid and lisa bloom, author of the upcoming book "suspicion nation" and the trayvon martin injustice and why we are doomed to repeat it. when george zimmerman place his own 911 call. his girlfriend had gone crazy,
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she broke the table. he was frying to leave. she was obstructing him. he barricaded the door. she says he pushed him out. in 2005, with the former fiance. it was similar. the fiance, she asked george to leave her orlando home. he refused to leave. he pushed and shoved her. in that instance, she filed an injunction against him. a day later, he filed one against her. said she was the aggressor. she put marks on his face. she was the one that attacked him. it was sort of a similar construction. he re-created events with himself as the victim. in this case, you have her saying there was an incident of him pushing her she hadn't reported. in the 2005 incident. the victim. george zimmerman smacked her with an open hand. she had not reported that incident to police all. lisa bloom, what was your reacts, to there was a previous choking incident with the current girlfriend.
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and george zimmerman has had suicidal thoughts. >> very sad. very disturbing. not at all surprising. and we know what domestic violence victims, if she is one, that the, tend to be a lot of incidents that build up over time. a breaking point. at the breaking point that's when some one calls the police. we also know -- that with domestic violence victims the most dangerous time is when she attempts to end relationship, either by leaving, or by asking him to leave. so, putting together everything that joy read just said. we now have three different women, over the course of the last eight years, who have experienced they say, violence and threats. threats of violence from george zimmerman, when they wanted to end the relationship. it is consistent with domestic violence. >> let's listen to what the judge said, what he called strangulation information, new information, choking information. how that affected his decision on bail.
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>> those are the special conditions that i belief off to be reasonable. i think that is a reasonable amount based upon the additional allegation of a previous unreported potentially battery by strangulation, that is the reason for the increase in the bond amount. >> joy reid, zimmerman face, usually tells us nothing in this courtroom. >> yeah, that was at least according to the court. that was one of the times he showed any emotion. when strangulation was mentioned. it is important in terms of the bail that he wonder up getting. state asked for $50,000. in part because of that previous incident. and the judge, essentially split the difference, really, in favor of mr. zimmerman. because he had been asking his -- his legal counsel. asking for $4,900. he was indigent. so the bail was split up into the three count he's was charged with. but that previous strangulation incident did not get the bail to be the maximum. >> how much does he have to come up it? lisa, how much does he have to come up with for this and how
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did he do that? >> typically it is 10%. his public defender said that's what it is in florida. came up with 10% of the bail amount. here, $9,000, he had to come up with $900. forfeits the rest. his arraignment is in january. as to how he came up with the $900. i don't know. perhaps friends or supporters. because as you say, he said he had $100 to his name. he is in debt $2.5 million by the way. who does he owe $2 million to? it has to be his attorneys, o'mara and west. >> i want to go back to his wife, shellie zimmerman, she is divorcing him. said in september about george zimmerman. >> in my opinion, he feels more invincible. he is making reckless decisions. i have been married to a person for almost seven years and i don't think i ever really knew him at all.
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>> joy, that was right after she had an incident with, her father did, with george zimmerman. in which in the end they decided not to get involved by pressing charges because, it could be complicated for her but that invincible -- feeling -- seems to be, what, what is being demonstrated. >> remember the track record is that his encounters with law enforcement, ended in his favor. an additional incident with a police officer, he was accused, charged with battering an officer. ended up being adjudicated. served no time for that. you have domestic violence incidents. since his acquittal. we had three separate incidents. being pulled over by police with guns in the car. he seems to have, there is an intersect, with george zimmerman between the incidents and guns. firearms are involved in each of the incidents. shellie zimmerman, interesting, what she is saying now, is that she is not surprised by the incident that just happened.
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she also didn't know where george zimmerman was. this is the day that she was able to finally serve him with divorce papers because he was in jail. >> she had been trying to do that. couldn't find him. we are hearing from people who know george zimmerman better than anyone else. there is his wife shellie zimmerman, saying i don't think i ever really knew him at all. >> right. and think about it. think about his calls to the police. the one that you played at the top of the show. remember that george zimmerman called the police, 46 times before he called about trayvon martin. yesterday he calls to tell his side of the story. he is very calm. relaxed. he says the police are banging on his doors. and windows. but he has all the time in the
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world to have long pauses and just tell his side of the story. it is almost like his relationship with the police. his relationship with the law enforcement. and a criminal justice system is his primary relationship. and he just can't let go if it. >> joy, george zimmerman is not getting the chorale of support. there was a racial component in the trayvon martin case that is not present here. do you think abut this when you look at this case, you see there is a white woman on a 911 call complaining about george zimmerman and normal course of supporters for george zimmerman suddenly aren't speaking up. >> yeah, i find the fox news cadre particularly interesting in that regard. in the case of trayvon martin, must have been something, geraldo said, he was dressed like a thug. the people at fox news were very much in favor of mr. zimmerman. in the sense of vilifying trayvon martin.
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saying it must have been something about him. he must have caused what happened. whereas in this case, this is some one with whom the people can relate. they instantly view her as a victim. the family. the chief complaint about the coverage. when i have spoken with the parents. spoken with attorneys. there was never a sense of people viewing as either a chimed or victim. that seemed to be too much of a leap for too many people covering it. particularly in conservative media. that's not happening now. >> so that 911 call, by that, that white woman, for geraldo turns george zimmerman into a psycho. >> borderline psychopath. not blaming her for the way she behaved, dressed. >> didn't matter if she was wearing a hoody or not. joy reid. lisa bloom. thank you for joining me tonight. >> thank you. >> coming up, bill mahr joins me to discuss dysfunction in north american politics from toronto to washington.
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well, that didn't last long. canada's sun news network announced today that the new tv show ford nation starring toronto mayor rob ford and his brother doug, city counselor has been canceled after exactly one episode.
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who better than to analyze the antics of mayor of toronto and everything wrong with politics in north america than bill mahr, host of -- real time with bill mahr" live new year's eve in honolulu, january 1 at maui arts and cultural center. bill, it is hard to pick my very favorite mayor ford sound bite. when they begin, you don't have any idea where he is going. he should stick with the crack, not with the analogies. i don't know. first that is so unfair to kuwait. which is not as big as rob ford. i have to say, lawrence, just being a contrarian. he is growing on me.
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i would never recommend being a crack addict, and nothing like that. i have never smoked crack, i have done most drugs, never done that one. i heard it is addictive. probably not good for you. there is something, a politician, pointing at accusers and saying really you never did anything. there is an awful lot of hypocrisy. and self righteousness that, that makes me even sicker than what he does. >> well, got to tell you, he has grown on me. right from the start. it is that refreshing thing. you have no idea what he is going to say. and he has breathtaking moments of honesty when you ask him things like, you know, have you bought drugs in the last year or so. it is toronto. what could go wrong. the mayor of toronto. canada has hat the reputation of
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being boring. some one that is not boring. we have the commercial, beer commercial. most interesting man in the world. i think rob ford should do the most interesting canadian in the world. the toilet hugs him. i may not always smoke crack. >> i mean this as a compliment to toronto. we, i think our image is, canada is a very well run country. governing there is smooth. we never read any big problem as the but the terrors of life in toronto, what is going wrong. may not have much coverage of it. working from the notion, which may be naive. it is toronto. everything looks smooth to me up there. ford presents us with nothing but entertainment. rob and his brother. >> his brother doug. >> doug.
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>> remember on setv. when they played bob and doug. they're actually, posers named bob and doug. i've look at them as kind of the kennedy brothers of canada. the kennedy brothers were blackout drunks the size of port-a-potties. one is just as out there as the the next. they are in lock step in that. you have to say that. you can not, you cannot get a wedge in between the ford brothers. it was doug in the city council who pointed his finger at every one of the members and said have you ever used marijuana. have you ever used marijuana. for some strange reason he got no answer that whole line. bill, sarah palin. go ahead, sorry. >> no, go ahead. >> i was going to go to sarah palin. i wanted to listen to what she had to say about the -- the war on christmas. >> we need to protect the heart of christmas and not let an angry atheist, armed with an
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attorney, scrooge, tell us we can't celebrate traditional faith in america. >> i think she is talking about your attorney, scrooge, trying to shut down christmas in america. i am telling you, bill. you are losing here in rockefeller center. the tree is up. they haven't lit it yet. you are making no progress here. >> well, and i have said many times. i am one of the biggest fans of christmas in america. i think people have atheists all wrong. we don't care. that's the thing. they have this idea, that we're out there marching in the streets. the great thing about atheists, we don't have to organize. we don't have to meet. sunday we can worship nfl football package that i have. no, i mean -- what i love abut christmas is the tradition. i don't want to change the word even. i remember christmas, christmas to me -- is my family memories.
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it's, used to go to church back then. it's my mother. my father. my sister. it is robert gullet records. sitting around the tree. i love it all. a national holiday. nothing to do with religion. no one is trying to take that away. so funny the way the christians are always standing up in an 80% christian country. and feeling so persecuted. we will celebrate christmas. you know, there is a guy who stood up in the house of representatives the other day. talking about -- take that complete christian body. persecution complex. what is going on in the republican party. doing some coverage this week. they have internal battles going on. the establishment side, rising up against the tea party, senate elections in the past couple years. they're having some success with it. took them a wheel to figure out that the republican establishment was seriously
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threatened by the tea party. looks like they don't want to see any more christine o'donnells, which, bill, could hurt your monologues? >> well, i felt i created her. >> you did. you did. >> i deserve to have her. >> yeah. actually i think this is a little overblown. a giant rift between the tea party and the, what i call the potty train republicans. because there was a -- there was a poll out, recently. and -- i think that, the question that was asked was -- is the tea party, has too much influence on the republican party. not enough influence, or just the right amount. 41% of republicans said the tea party had too little influence. 32% just the right amount. that's 73% of republicans, who are just fine with the tea party. i think the people who were upset are the old wall street 1%. these are the people who are worried about the tea party.
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because after all, if the debt ceiling debacle had gone their way, they probably would have actually lost a lot of money. so, this tea party -- frankenstein's monster they created, now they're worried because it could lose them money which its what they care most about. the tea party was fine. and now it is starting to, you know, throw little girls into the lake, they have to rein them in. but i think the other thing you have to remember about the tea party. they keep portraying themselves as outsiders. they're not outsiders. they're insiders. controlling the works. gumming of the works in congress. they're making former insiders look good. tom delay looks good next to the people. >> he does. let's talk about the guy who wall street will want to run for president. chris christie. who has been saying things that put him definitely in contradiction with the tea party. he said sawing but -- how when you are elected to run
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government you really should run government. instead of shut it down. let's listen to that. >> you can rail against obama care, and be opposed as i am in new jersey. not then subscribe to the notion matt your job in running the government is to close it. your job is to run it. run it effectively. efficiently. bill, when we says it on a republican presidential debate stage. ted cruz, rand paul, does chris christie get applause when he says that to a republican audience. >> absolutely not. but he won't say it in ape -- in a debate. chris christie is an excellent politician. i agree with what he is saying. i never understood why people who hate government, go into government. that's why i am not a priest. but you know for those people that say, chris christie is not going to work down in texas or the south. i disagree. i think chris christie has positioned himself perfectly. what i hear, from the left, is oh, you don't realize how
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conservative chris christie is. not really a moderate. what i hear from the right is the opposite. when both side think the other side. a little close to the other side. that its the sweet spot for a politician. chris christie does every once in a while say something that mollifies, the moderates, independents and democrats. i'm sure that is how he got elected in my home state. which is after all, a blue state. he is a very conservative politician who is perfectly capable of throwing the red meat to the tea party. he will do a little of each until he gets the nomination and maybe the white house. >> bill mahr, last word from bill tonight. thank you very much for joining us tonight. >> always great to see you, lawrence. >> coming up -- ezra klein on implementation of the affordable care act and possibly the next government shutdown. and later, the extraordinary story of a rape survivor who won the miss world pageant and
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>> in the spotlight tonight, the next government shutdown. yeah. you might not be able to hear it yet, but the clock is ticking toward our next budget crisis. >> although we put our
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priorities forward we have not seen any plan, not any plan, from our republican colleagues. it appears they just want to play politics with affordable care act. run out the clock on the budget negotiations, and, and that would be a great disappointment i know to the country. >> the american people are very, very worried. >> what we are seeing here is a pattern of broken promises from the administration. >> moms, dads are worried. >> just one more reason why this health care law need to be scrapped. now. >> the american people are very, very worried. >> look the republicans have a one-note agenda. it is to repeal the affordable care act. >> we have got to have a real budget. >> the democrats on the budget committee are putting forth pro jobs, pro-growth priorities. off awe paul ryan, are you listening? >> it is important when we do appropriation bills to fund the government. >> we will not have a government shutdown. >> one side of capitol hill is invested in failure.
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that makes -- i think -- the kind of process of fixing glitches as they come up and fine tuning the law, more challenging the i am optimistic we can get them fixed. >> joining me now is msnbc analyst ezra klein. i want to take suspense out of the government shutdown possibility by playing something that paul ryan said today where he took a swipe at ted cruz without of course mentioning ted cruz's name. let's listen to this. >> it is very clear a government shutdown does not stop obama care. government did shut down and didn't stop obama care. so i don't think that will be repeated. it is in the past. it is clear that won't stop obama care. we will keep the government funding at current levels if need be at the end of the day not have a government shutdown. >> so, ezra does that settle it? >> i think it does actually.
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they will not have a government shutdown. i think they don't think the other one worked out that well for them. now the government shutdown has ended. people can focus on how obama care is going. that worked out better for them. the other thing happening. if they don't get a budget deal, the 2014, sequestration hits. they were deeper than 2013. worse for the economy. worse for government parties. particularly bad. upset republicans. the appropriators, wrote a letter saying, please, please, please, don't let it happen. paul ryan can go back and say, look we got new spending cuts. we are doing great. the democrats have to deal with this latest round of sequestration. which they hate. they have something aside from a government shut down. they can have happen. they can go back and say they have got a win. >> astonishingly how silently the cuts have been proceeding. they were designing something neither side would stand.
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i want to move off to the affordable care act. where we stand tonight. with implementation -- always looking for perspective on this. not, i don't want to do government earning by anecdote. what do you think the measures out there now are indicating, just too early to tell? >> it's -- some ways too early to tell. right now the law remains, the digital architecture, remains quite poor. it's not working that well. you are seeing a rise in enrollment. seeing that in the federal exchange. actually the most optimistic sign you saw out of california. currently their enrollment is going so quickly. they are on track to hit the targets. what i would say that actually shows, is one. california is a big state. they were able to make the exchange work. capable of doing it. you want to do it. you've implement it well. also, in a state where you want obama care to work. and they get the people signing up. get them signing up for medicaid.
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getting them signing up for the exchange insurance. and for them to hit the target. very big deal. the way you see the law going forward. that is ditch rent than a law that can't work. you are seeing in california. competently, effective leave done it can work. >> you know, as i live in california. i watched it come to california. there was an eagerness, in sacramento, abut this implementation, a lot of coverage all the way through. there were great expectations. great expectations seem to have been met. ezra klein, thank you for joining us tonight. >> thank you. >> coming up -- a powerful story of a woman a rape and survival led her around the world to help other survivors. >> rape is so isolating. because even if you tell people
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>> one in four women worldwide is raped or sexually assaulted in her lifetime. a new documentary follows one of the women who won the miss world beauty pageant, a few weeks after surviving the experience that would change her life. >> i sat in the front. i was a little tired. he said you can move off to the back. and we drove for like -- 1 1/2 hours. i fell asleep for a bit. i woke up, and i said that's where he took out the knife and
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he said, "take off your clothes." the moment that it is happening you're soul is just not there. it is just a valley. >> there is only one more prize here tonight and that's the big one. miss world, 1998. it is one of these girls! and miss world 1998 is miss israel! >> the crowds of israeli fans
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welcomed the new miss world. no one knew of her ordeal just two months earlier. [ speaking foreign language ] >> you know, i think that we would look to thank you very, very much for this wonderful warm welcome. >> this is so much what she has wanted to come home. it is with great pride and the tears are of joy. >> joining me now is the director of brave, miss world. those were not tears of joy. what had she win through up to that point? >> well, six weeks before the miss world competition, she had been abducted and raped violently by a hebrew speaking travel agent in milan where she was modeling.
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she managed to escape with her life. that story is told in the film. but she had to represent her country in the miss world competition just six weeks later. she was in terrible trauma. and she, she won the miss world crown to her complete shock. and she felt that those two events must have happened so close together for a reason. it was her mission to one day tell her story and reach out to other survivors. >> she then goes on a multiyear sag a where she comes to terms with this. puts herself through law school eventually. becomes deeply religious to the surprise of her family. in israel. it is a stunning transformation that she goes through. and in the process becomes a crusader, and, helper, to survivors around the world. >> well i think the film is really her fight for justice. it follows how she put a serial rapist behind bars.
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at age 18. and at the time, after her trial, after the verdict, she turned to the camera, and she said to the women in israel. if i can do this, you can do it too. don't be afraid to press charges. the incidences of rape reports rose significantly. laws were enacted in israel because of her. she really changed the culture. the film is her way of trying to do that on a global scale. >> they got a conviction on the guy in her case. she was not allowed to speak directly to the parole board consider paying role. but allowed to write a letter. we have of a scene from that. [ speaking foreign language ]
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>> that was her mother with her in the scene. and you used, news footage that already existed in the story. you created your own footage. a fascinating mix of the source material that put this together. how long did it take? >> we filmed for five years. partly because funding was hard to come by. a big challenge, making documentaries. we had amazing executive producers come on when we needed them most. so we could do one more shoot. but it happened to allow us to follow -- this, this transformative journey that she went on. and, the rapist comes up for parole in the middle of the film which totally shattered her stability. she began to suffer ptsd.
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she goes on the hunt for his previous victims. so she can convince the parole board he need to stay in prison. >> brave miss world, oscar buzz nomination. one of the women from the film. morgan carpenter will join us. we will be right back. marching] [ male announcer ] the rhythm of life. [ whistle blowing ] where do you hear that beat? campbell's healthy request soup lets you hear it in your heart. [ basketball bouncing ] heart healthy. [ m'm... ] great taste. [ tapping ] sounds good. campbell's healthy request. m'm! m'm! good.®
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after it happened. my experience with the da, everything, didn't work out as i hoped. i went into a deep depression. i didn't tell anyone about what happened. i didn't go to therapy or anything. and, just went numb for years. until i met her. >> and in brave miss world. we see lenore in africa. speak with rape survivors. talking about talking. the importance of being willing to talk about it. >> yes, she said in the film. rape is isolating. it is. i never understood until i felt it. you feel look you have no one. in a room full of people. not feel like anyone would understand you. and i, i can't express how important it that's you do talk to people. people will understand you, if you reach out to them. people were less afraid to talk about the subject. survivors, we would be in a better place. we could help each other more. >> there is, cecelia, the extraordinary moment with african girls, with the scene,
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looking at on screen. where one of them says, people don't want to hear from us. they think we need attention. her reply is tell them you want attention. >> and cry louder. >> yes. >> that's the moment for me when she really became an activist who could make a difference. and realize that -- what you need how to do is, give somebody credibility and listen and love them. and the film is kind of a guide to how you help somebody recover from a trauma. >> morgan, the numbers are stunning. one in four worldwide. in the united states, one in six. when you do start to talk, do you then discover, oh, this -- the girl in the dorm down the hall, and suddenly, there are more of you? >> yes. that -- it's been incredible. just since i started opening up. i've found, friend, very close friends, family members. co-workers.
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i mean, all most, sadly almost everyone i know has been touched by this. they have been assaulted or they no some one that has been assaulted. they shared their stories with me. and some of my -- my close friends have even gone on to get help. and -- you know? lenore changed my life. if i can change one other person's life. that as it amazing. that's what happens when you talk? >> you had an unsatisfactory, to put it mildly, encounter with law enforcement over this. what would you say to women in this situation, in terms of dealing with law enforcement, based on your experience? >> file the report anyways. you know, even if they tell you you are not, don't have a case, there is no chance you are going to get anything. i think it is important you do it anyways. make yourself heard. not only is that good for yourself. you've can help heal, a little bit better with that. also, you never know where it could lead. and, if, if the perpetrator tries it again. maybe there will be some kind of record there. it could help the next girl.
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maybe not you, but maybe the next victim will get justice. >> cecelia, you have women, young women, women of all ages speaking about this in the film. many have not spoken publicly before. >> especially on college campuses. lenore focusing on making campuses safer for girls. and in shock how hard it is to report a rape or get some one to listen to you. she was 18 when she was raped. it is a big way we hope the film can make a difference. >> cecelia peck gets tonight's last word, the film "brave miss world" screens here tomorrow in new york at the doc, nyc, festival. opens next month.
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