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we know we're not the center of your life, but we'll do our best to help you connect to what is. good evening. i'm in tonight for chris matthews. leading off, this is a major weekend for the white house and supporters of the affordable care act. the white house has marked november 30th as the deadline for fixes many of the glitches that plagued a health care law's website. many republicans have already written off the law as doomed to failure. but polls show that most americans still believe the law can and will be fixed.
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so this weekend is shaping up to be a major test. what's indisputable is that while the national exchange has stumbled out of the gate, the picture is different in a number of states that are managing their own enrollments. 98,000 people have enrolled in washington state. nearly 80,000 people have signed up for private health plans in california. and new york has seen more than 75,000 people enroll. in kentucky there have also been encouraging numbers. 60,000 people have signed up as of yesterday. of those, nearly 49,000 qualified for medicaid. steve bashir is the governor of kentucky. howard fineman is the editor of the "huffington post." governor, you're the only one who in the south who has taken the position that you have with regard to expansion of medicaid and building your own exchange. if others were to emulate your approach, would they, too, be having success? >> certainly, they would, michael. you know, we've done this right. we've done it simple,
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straightforward. and it's working like a charm. i mean, since we kicked it off october 1, we've had now, 500,000 visitors on our website, about 150,000 calling in to our call center to get the information. people are hungry for affordable care. and when they can get it like they can in kentucky, it's exciting for them. it's exciting for us. we've had over a thousand small businesses in the process of signing up so their employees can get insurance. it's going to work. it's working in kentucky. it will work at some point every where else. it's not one of these things where you can set up an artificial deadline and say okay, it's a successor failure at that deadline. this is going to take two or three years before we really get everything done and most of these people enrolled. >> governor, those who are medicaid recipients signing up for the expansion of the medicaid program, where would they have been previously? would they have been provided no coverage?
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would they have been those showing up at an er? and treating it as a primary care practice. help me understand who 24e are changes taking place in their lives? >> well, michael, like i tell everybody that i talk to, we've got 640,000 kentuckiens who don't have any coverage. and a good part of those qualify for the medicaid. they are not aliens. they are neighbors and friends. they're folks that we shop in the grocery with, we sit in the bleachers on friday night and watch our kids play football and baseball and basketball. some of them are our family members. these are folks that are working every day to support their family, and they get up every morning and roll the dice just hoping and praying that they don't get sick. because they know that they're one bad diagnosis away from bankruptcy. nobody deserves to live like that. >> i don't mean to disparage those folks who are taking advantage of the medicaid
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expansion, quite to the contrary, but i guess my thought is, the economic model is that it requires that the young invincibles are also part of the drill and they too need to be signing up for this to be successful. >> that's true, michael. and that's the problem with the shortfalls on the website and the rollout on the national level, because the national model won't work, but what's the governor say about kentucky? >>ing exactly. >> michael. >> go ahead. >> 41% of the folks signing up here are under the age of 35. so the young people are signing up. >> hey, governor, i want to show you something and ask you to respond to it. congressman tim huelskamp doesn't like the fact that kansas is trying to expand their medicaid. we don't need the likes of kathleen sebelius or barack
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obama telling us what we should like or need, obama care is on life support. president obama keeps giving it another jolt to keep it alive. you would say what, sir? >> i would say, just look at the facts. you know, you go to these states where our exchanges are working. people are signing up in droves. and that's what's going to happen, once they get the federal exchange set up. you know, forget about the politics. you know, as governors, we don't have time to worry about all these ideological battles. i've got 4.3 million people to take care of. and i'm going to take care of these 630,000. we're going to end up with a healthier workforce and a important productive workforce and it will attract more jobs for kentucky. >> howard, help me understand the politics. oum trying to square the success he's having with mitch mcconnell jolly stomping on the grave of obama care. put the two of those together.
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>> the governor knows kentucky politics better than i. even think the governor doesn't want to put politics in the equation, the fact is there's a very important senate race in kentucky next year. mitch mcconnell is known for his opposition to obama care. i think one of the things that the governor is doing is trying to provide a positive example of how it works in kentucky, which i must say, is not going to be irrelevant in that senate race next year. >> there's a new cnn poll that says the majority of americans still oppose the law. 58% vrs 40% who say they favor it. this is interesting. if you dig deeper into those numbers, you see that think are not as black and white as critics might want you to believe. the people who oppose the law, 14% say they oppose it because it's not liberal enough, meaning they want it to go further. only 41% oppose the law because they say it's too liberal or goes too far. put the 40% together with the 14% and you get a completely different reaction from the andy
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poling data, one that suggests that people still believe in this case and want it to succeed. does that square with what you see and hear on the ground in kentucky? >> it certainly does. you know, you've had a mound of misinformation being thrown out there for months. and people are confused. people here in kentucky are confused. but i'm so glad to tell you that kentuckians decided to find out for themselves. so they went on the website. they called the toll free number. they sat down with our navigators. and, you know, when they did that, they said, wow, i can get affordable health coverage. they're signing up, walking away with a huge smile on their face and it's going to make a big difference in our state. >> how important is the weekend coming up with this self-imposed deadline of saturday and presumable lei lot of folks will go take a look. there's the idea that the website could crash. how important is the weekend? >> i think it's important. as everyone says, the rollout has been a disaster. on a national basis as opposed to islands of progress like
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kentucky and washington state, et cetera. and it could long-term affect the economics of it. it could make the rates higher if not enough health y people sign up. you recall the other day that the president said he advised people to discuss the affordable care act at thanksgiving dinner. i talked to tech people who said it's inexcusable the administration did not design the site, the national site for what's called a super bowl size event which means 100,000 people on the site at the same time. even if they get the 50,000, it's nowhere near where they should be. it sounds trivial on one level, but if they turn off too many young and healthy people, if they turn off those so-called invincibles, it could pose a long-range risk to the economics of the program which is going to make it an even more bitter fight in years to come.
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>> senator ted cruz talks about stories on texans scared about being kicked off their current plan. let's watch. >> when i go back to texas i travel the state, and men and women come up to me and grab me by the shoulder. and they're afraid. they say, ted, you know, i just lost my health insurance. i've got a child with diabetes. i need my health insurance. i'm scared. please stop this from happening. those are real facts. >> and what do you say to them? i've looked at the list of bills that you've sponsored. there's not one that offers a solution to the current problems with health care except to get rid of the existing law, is that enough? >> that's the only solution that will work. >> and he has little to say with all of those children with diabetes and other illnesses in his state who have no insurance and would be helped by the new health care law. here are the facts about texas. in addition to having the highest rate of people without health insurance in the nation, texas also has the largest number of children without health insurance and the highest
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rate of poor adults without health insurance. more than 852,000 texas children lacked health insurance in 2012. governor, you face some of those same obstacles. yet your approach in kentucky is significantly different than that being offered in texas. >> you know, you got to put the politics aside, because this isn't political to me. this is a moral decision that i made that people deserve this health care. we can afford it. as a matter of fact, i did an economic study of it before i expanded medicaid. and price waterhouse coopers came in and told he, said governor, you can't afford not to expand medicaid, because it's going to create 17,000 new jobs. it's going to put about $15 billion into your economy over the next eight years. so this was a win/win situation for kentucky. it is for every state. if they could just get over the politics and look at their people, they would be doing this right now.
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>> howard, one of the big problems, one of the impediments is that folks who have alternatives, they can't see them. i'm one of those people because i have invested a lot of time at the website. i was told there are nine different plan's available to my family, but until i can download it and print it out, all i know is i get to a screen that freezes. >> yeah. there's no sugarcoating the fact that it's, on the national level it remains pretty much of a mess. and i know the president's attitude is that he's going to soldier on, soldier through and get these problems solved. and i would anticipate that over the next couple years that might be the case, but he's running into a situation to look at the politics for a minute where he's got the 2014 elections coming up. if the rates are jacked up significantly, in part, even beyond where they might otherwise have been because of problems with signing up people who can pay, not just people who need the big subsidies of medicaid, but people who can pay
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into the system, it's going to skew the economics of it and mean that the rates are going to be higher than otherwise, and those new rates will be announced in the fall of 2014, right before the midterm elections. that could pose a real problem for the president's own party and might send a message that makes the last two years of his administration very contentious ones over yet this same issue. >> governor, quick thought from you, sir? >> you know, michael, the same arguments were made against medicare in 1965. the same arguments were made against social security back in the '30s. today, those programs are an essential fabric of our lifestyle. it's going to be the same way with the affordable care act. it is going to take a while, and you've got to soldier through this because it is a process. but in the end, this is going to work. and i'm proud of the president for shouldering through. he's going to have to keep pushing, and he will. >> thank you. coming up.
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welcome back to "hardball." we want to take an even closer look tonight at the new issue before the supreme court involving the affordable care act. the court will consider whether a company can refuse to offer contraceptive health care as is mandated by the affordable care act on the basis that it would violate its religious beliefs.
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here's the background. the company hobby lobby has about 13,000 employees. it was founded by people of faith. they close on sundays. its stores play religious music and its employees get free spiritual counselling. they say we believe wholeheartedly that it is god's grace and provision that hobby lobby has been successful. they said the affordable care act left the owners with two bad choices. they must either violate their faith by covering the mandated contraceptives. or pay crippling fines that would destroy their livelihood. a circuit court ruled for hobby lobby. but in a similar case for a company owned by mennonite cab bet makers, the court ruled the
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other way. now the supreme court will decide. joining me, president of narol pro-choice of america. can a for-profit business object to a law on a religious basis? and if so, why? >> of course it can. if all else fails -- it's why we celebrate thanksgiving tomorrow. it's the foundation of liberty in our country. religious freedom says that our government cannot be the arbiter of our kindnesses and individuals are. we wouldn't be the nation we are if we didn't allow people like hobby lobby and the other business the ability to abide by their own conscious and provide what they think is constitutional ly acceptable or not to their own businesses. >> what about the slippery slope argument? surely you know this is going to be raised in this discussion. if you have a different company that says we don't want to provide hiv screening because
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our biblical idea is at odds on same sex couples. >> no one has made the argument that we should provide hiv screening. we are getting down to the fundamentals of the constitution. >> if you're saying you're going to allow that privately held business, for-profit business because of their religious principles. if you're going to give them the latitude in case a, how you could not in case b? >> abortion, sterilization are the point that we're arguing now. the question is whether these are legitimately -- they are, whether it is okay for these businesses, for these individuals to say this defies my conscience. and it defies my conscience because i am of a faith that undermines it. it is the killing of a human
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being. should i be required to provide that to my employees. or should i be allowed the individual liberty to not do that. this is not the case when we're talking about hiv screenings, which is clearly a basic health care need. >> our judicial system is governed by precedents. and precedents hold and are applicable to cases that come after it. let me switch gears. elise, for your position on this issue, isn't the citizens united case problematic? if in citizens united the supreme court has recognized a speech right among corporations, doesn't it then likely follow that they also have a religious freedom right? >> that's not the way that we see it, michael, no. and i think it's not the way the majority of americans see it because what's not being denied is either marjorie or hobby lobby's religious freedom to make their own choices about their own health care and their own family planning. what's at issue here, whether we're going to let our bosses
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enter our bedroom. this is a medical health issue. 99% of american families have used contraception during the course of their reproductive life, sometimes for family planning. sometimes for other reasons. and we do not need our bosses coming between our doctors and our family decisions about what's best for our health and our family planning. >> marjorie, i don't want to get too far into the weeds legally on this. but you would agree with me, i take it that citizens united is a case that's going to help your argument because that is a way in which they've interpreted the first amendment. by hog -- logical extension there's a free speech right presumably there's a religious freedom right as well. >> speech is very different from the issues here. they denied a right to religious freedom and conscious. to force a business or individual to provide a service
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that they believe undermines their conscience is wrong. it's the first time in history there are many members of congress that are not currently in congress that thought this issue was resolved before the obama care law was passed. in fact, this is the last issue. this is the very hang up before the law was passed. they asked whether they thought this was resolved. they are believing catholics. they would never have affirmed the idea of abortion inducing drugs should be required to be provided to employees -- >> but a contrary way of looking at it -- >> let me add this one thing. access is not provision. we have to make a difference between that. the supreme court has already said it's not the same thing. you can go tot any -- access is clearly available to anyone. it's a question of how it's provided. >> but elise, a different interpretation of what marjorie
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is saying, a different interpretation would be one that says wait a minute, we aren't imposing anything on those folks as individuals. they can go out and take whatever stand they'd like to with regard to contraception, but when they hang a shingle. and when they do business as a public entity and live within the laws of this country, they can't sit back and arbitrarily make decisions for their work force. is that not the response? >> i think that's absolutely correct, michael. and i also think it's really, really important to ask where does it end? we are talking about opening a door to our bosses saying, you know what, i'm sorry, i can't allow you to vaccinate your children on your own insurance. these are people who work in craft stores or work for cabinet makers. these aren't corporate people. that's money that these people want to spend on their children's education that they already have. so i think it really is about, as marjorie said, individual
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here's what's happening. we're expecting a decision soon from new york city officials
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whether giants balloons will float over the macy's thanksgiving parade. if winds are too strong the balloons will not fly. new york police department said weather reports look good. president obama joined his family at a d.c. food bank wednesday handing out food and presidential boxes of m&ms. more news at the top of the hour. stay with us. welcome back to "hardball." it was almost a year ago that 20 year old adam lanza shot his way into sandy hook elementary school in newtown, connecticut. in less than five minutes he murdered 20 children and six adults in one of the nation's deadliest school massacres. this week a report was released on the rampage but failed to answer the why question. why did adam lanza do this? and why was intervention not a possibility?
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the report notes that lanza was afflicted with mental health problems, including an obsession with violence, which should have set off red flags. instead, his solitary behavior and potential for danger was often enabled by the only person close to him, his mother nancy. she became his first victim on the day he shot her to death before heading to elementary school. the release of this information is sure to add to the anxiety in newtown in the coming weeks. but it also continues the debate over effectiveness of our mental health care system. dr. gardear, often people say this doesn't answer the why question. my reaction really end a little bit different. it really doesn't help us in assessing risk factors. there are many families that have troubled young adults in their midst. and they're trying to read the tea leaves and determine, is this person really capable of causing harm to themselves or
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others. how did you interpret that question based on the report from the police department? >> i think there were clear signs that this young man who had some sort of autism, pervasive developmental disorder, asperger's as it's also been called, had issues with communication, obsessive/compulsive disorder, didn't like to be touched. certainly had a lot of issues, but it seemed like he was getting worse and worse, he was decompensating. and we see an overlay, possibly, of some psychosis. i think the signs were there. the problem with the mental health system is, unless a person is a clear danger to themselves or others we can't force medicate and we can't hospitalize. they were sting a no man's land there. i certainly agree with you, there were indicators there and more help should have been given to this mother or she should have done more herself.
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she made a lot of faux pas, especially introducing him with supporting him with guns and violent video games. >> you have the expertise, i don't. i'm an arm chair psychiatrist. it seemed to me she was probably furthering his interests in the weapons as a means of protecting the relationship that she had with him. and ultimately, it cost her her life. >> i certainly agree with you. it's very clear to me that because you have these communication disorders, family members had abandoned the two of them. at this point, she felt this was the best way that she could connect with him and try to keep some sort of a relationship with him and keep him off the streets. but, of course, we see that was a fatal mistake. >> that report from the connecticut state police was nearly 50 pages long. what did you take away from it? what did you think was most significant in their findings? >> the report was broken down in two sections. one dealing with the events of
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the day, which we had a clear picture, we had the details. but really what was new was about adam lanza's life and his relationship with his mother. while we don't want to draw conclusions on snippets of his life. there were signs going back all the way to the fifth grade that he had this obsession with violence. he wrote something called the big book of granny in the fifth grade which the main character had a gun in her cane and would shoot people. he collected clippings about mass killings dating back to 1891 and would make spreadsheets. so there's clear signs. in the report, it's not clear how aware she was of some of his more dangerous obsessions. >> when adam lanza was diagnosed with asperger's in 2005, he was diagnosed with significant social impairment, lacked empathy and had very rigid thought processes. one person said that the shooter did not have an emotional connection with the mother.
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recently when his mother asked if he would feel bad if anything happened to his mother he said no. he had trouble with anxiety. he refused to take medication. he did not engage in behavior therapies. he had multiple daily rituals. an inability to touch door knobs. repeated hand washing and obsessive clothes hanging. if you knew what we know today about him, preceding the shooting, would you, as a health care professional, do you think, have been able to meet the threshold in front of a court that said this is a young man who needs to have treatment, even treatment forced upon him because he was not a minor. >> we're talking about an asperger's here. and we have to be very clear that there is no kind of a relationship between asperger's, autism and violence. so what we're seeing here are clearly signs of the autism spectrum.
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i don't think it was enough to have to force medicate him. however, i do believe, and we don't see it in the report, but many clinicians believe that as this child was getting older, there was a psychotic process that was beginning to develop. he was at the age of onset as he was getting older as a teenager. so yes, he should have had the behavior modification. the behavior treatment, not enough to put him in a hospital, but certainly, you wanted to make his life, get a better quality of life than what he was experiencing. >> but mark, if he's 20 years old, and he's of majority status, you can't force him to do anything. and this comes back to the doctor's point that you've got to be able to show that he's at risk to himself or society. >> no, and here you see where the mother is clearly overwhelmed. he seemed to control her life. he didn't like the cat in the house, so they got rid of the cat. he didn't like holidays, so she couldn't put up a christmas tree. people wouldn't come up to the
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house to visit. she was thinking about selling the house, but since she wouldn't let them in the room, she was thinking about buying an rv. she was struggling and overwhelmed with what she had to deal with. >> he submerged himself in a culture of violence. among the items found were bookmarks pertaining to firearms and mass murder and ammunition. two videos showing suicide by gunshot. movies depicting mass shootings. the computer game titled school shooting, a five second dramatization, numerous magazines in his pockets. documents on weapons and magazine capacity and large materials dealing with the columbine school shooting. of that laundry list what most would have alarmed you? what would have been the red flag that would have caused to you say we've got trouble brewing? >> i would think the obsessive amount of time on the videos,
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and of course, just the information, admiring and focusing in on previous mass shootings. i think, to me, that was the red flag where he should have then, at that point, gotten some sort of hospitalization or, or medication. but this mother was overwhelmed. i don't think she knew how to handle the situation. we're seeing an overlay of several mental health issues going on. it was just too much for her. and inevitably, it spelled her own death. >> if you want to follow me on twitter all you need to do is learn how to spell smerconish. this is the place for politics. . it's the no-game-playing, no-earning-limit-having, deep-bomb-throwing, give-me-the-ball-and-i'll-take- it-to-the-house, cash back card. this is the quicksilver cash card from capital one.
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we know we're not the center of your life, but we'll do our best to help you connect to what is. we're back. tomorrow we celebrate thanksgiving. it's a time to gather the family
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around the dinner table and give thanks for our health, happiness and good fortune. but in this cynical age, the symbol that's supposed to remind us of a harmonious time can be more like a scene out of "meet the parents." awkward. obligatory. on that note, we're going to imagine be being the fly on the wall at three political thanksgivings, each with potential for back room drama, the bushes, the cheneys, the clintons. dana milbank and joy reed, let's start with the bushes. here's a family that clearly has a lot to be thankful for. after all two presidents from one family nothing to sneeze at. but tensions may lurk under the surface now that jeb has an eye on the white house himself. after all, it's practically a family tradition. but he couldn't be very pleased when his own mother played down his prospects in 2016. here's how she responded.
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she was asked if jeb should runback in april. >> he's by far the best qualified man, but no. there are just, there are other people out there that are very qualified. and we've had enough bushes. >> if you were a fly on the wall at the bushes, do you think this is an issue to be discussed? >> i think the other thing for jeb bush that's really unfortunate for his potential plan is that the neocons are back. i know he wants to reach across the table as he pass the turkey, and say george, please get the neo-cons to stop talking about me. >> you're talking about iran. >> absolutely. >> your assessment of how thanksgiving plays it out at the bush compound? >> i think the dynamic is that you have the older brother has crashed the car. and now the number two brother did not get to drive it to the prom. the other thing is the older brother's irritating everybody
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by trying to draw their portrait. so he's really adding insult to injury. >> i think the guy's got a gift. i looked at those paintings, i was impressed. >> if only he had gone into art in the first place. think where the country might be today. >> next up, the cheney family feud. it has to be an uncomfortable situation at best. since mary cheney publicly declined to support the candidacy of her sister, liz, over gay marriage. this is more than just a wedge issue, it's personal. politico magazine has build it as the race that broke the cheney family. does it get discussed at thanksgiving? >> i can only imagine the most awkward moment when liz tries to express her compassion for mary and her poor family for being gay and all that. it is going to be awkward. >> there is a great piece in the times that talked about, what is normalcy in 2013 around the thanksgiving table and otherwise. i'm sure you read it.
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this cheney dynamic might be the most normal, the most rockwellian for 2013 of all of them. >> perhaps or perhaps a little exaggerated. their thanksgiving will need individual food tasters for each member of the family to make sure there is no foul play. i suspect they will rally together in the end as they decide to how to expose of the body that dick cheney shot when he was searching for turkey. >> i've seen so many stories stay away from politics come tomorrow. these three families -- joy, you don't think they would be able to get through the meal without discussing what's going on. >> there is no way. the thing for mary cheney is more awkward is that she is trying to get more front and center on issues of gay rights which a lot of the gay rights community complained she hadn't been. liz is so nakedly ambitious. she may try to push mary cheney back in the closet during the dinner. finally, the clinton family
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thanksgiving, the irony here is that the clintons may be the most likely to have a drama-free thanksgiving. what's going on there, dana? >> it is surprisingly a low drama time for the clintons it could be a culinary drama. the vegan former president wants his tofurkey and the president want to run want to have red meat. >> express what you think, joy? >> i think hillary is going to want to get to her meal and bill clinton is not going to want to stop talking and give her campaign advice and she is going to want to put an entire turkey in his mouth and make him stop talking. >> you can be a guest at one of these tables. where are you going and why? dana? >> i am going to put on my hunting vest and go to see the cheneys. as you've pointed out, that is the classic american
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thanksgiving in the year 2013. i would like to be a part of that. >> joy reid, where are you tomorrow? >> i have to go to the most fascinating political mind in the business and go hang out with the clintons, man. >> because you want to hear the big dog? >> i have to hear the big dog. hillary is not going to want to let him talk. i will listen. >> i was thinking the same thing. you probably wouldn't get a word in edgewise, not that you really need to. just to sit back and listen to what he is offering, could be worth the price of admission. i would love to hang out with bush 41. it's kind of sad no one wants to hang out with our third choice? maybe you should go, michael. >> i would take any of the above but i'm spoken for tomorrow. >> hope you two have a great day. >> you too. happy thanksgiving. when we return, let me finish with my own very personal experience with the health care website. you are watching "hardball."
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let me finish tonight with this. saturday marks the self-imposed deadline for making the obama care website work. i sure hope so. for the last month and a half, i have been in health care purgatory. since sunrise on the day of the launch, i've attempted to shop for health insurance at
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healthercare.gov. 1 1/2 months later, i haven't been successful in getting quotes online of insurance. i have had telephone roadblocks. i am legitimately in the market for health insurance and have been optimistic about my ability to get a competitive rate as a result of the affordable care act. for the first few weeks, i couldn't gain access to the site. the screen was all white space with no information and one day, eureka, i got to the home page. when i was next asked for a user name and password, the screen froze. days later, my next roadblock came when i could input data and now it was time to finalize my application but data i had repeatedly inputted was not saving. i was constantly back to square one. finally i-called the toll free number and walked through my application with an operator that took all of my information. after 45 minutes, she was able to quote for me nine different plans for my family including an independence blue cross, keystone, hmo for about $2,000 a month with no deductible and an independence blue cross ppo,
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less coverage for half that price. she assured me all the information i had provided would be inputted into the online application and merged with my online endeavors via my social security number just as soon as the bugs were out of the website, whereupon, i would be able to go online, review all nine plans that were available to me. that was great news except for the fact that a few days later when i finally could access the website, none of the data that i had provided over the phone was on my application. i had to start all over again. when i finally inputted all of my information, i was now asked to prove my identity by uploading my driver's license. it seems that my multiple efforts to get a quote convinced the computer model that i was a fraud. hey, if a crook invests this much time trying to impersonate me, i say he deserves my insurance. my fingers are crossed for this weekend. i'm convinced the conversation will change in this country just as soon as people can competitively shop. apparently, i'm going to have
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nine choices. now, if i could only see them, especially, because mental health is now provided and after this process, i need some. happy thanksgiving, everybody! va happy thanksgiving to you. i'm richard lui here at msnbc. black friday shopping is starting to creep. we're live outside one store opening its doors right now. congress is off for the holiday and most of december. what it means for unemployment benefits set to run out. it's almost time to get the bird in the oven. the butterball turkey talk line joins us with some tips for you that could save your holiday meal. and we check in with our troops stationed overseas as well on this thursday morning. but first we start off this hour for you, thanksgiving travellers may be a bit weary after their first leg of traveling to their holiday destinations, dealing with over 600 flights cancelled yesterday while

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