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almost took her back to the shelter. >> but you didn't. you still technically get your degree so you're okay. we put the picture up. a good friend said obama care tn contest. people said obama care, you better cover this. "morning joe" starts right now. ♪ 113th congress is going to go down as the least productive in our american history. >> 55 bills have been signed into law. this is the least productive congress ever. >> the least productive congress in the history of the american penn. >> it's literally a do nothing congress. >> that's not fair. they are doing something. they are getting into the guinness book of world records and that's twice if you count john boehner's fingernails.
>> good morning it's thursday, december 5th. the tree lit up last night. that was quite an event. wasn't it? >> kate and jack were watching last night. very exciting. >> good night. >> for a tree that they senselessly slaughtered. >> welcome to the show. we got contributor mike barnacle, also dragged involuntarily from his family. katty kay. and senior political editor for the white house and white house correspondent for "huffington post," sam stein. and katy, quite a bit of news today. >> apart from the tree. >> apart from the tree and apart from willie. a press conference in tallahassee today that may shake up college football. >> yeah. the superstar freshman quarterback for florida state
named the acc player of the year yesterday they are going to announce the findings of an investigation, woman accused winston of rape. if those charges are brought about he can't play for the rest of the season. we don't know yet. they will announce it today. >> there's been some charges that the police were covering it up, that she was intimidated. i'll tell you what, it doesn't sound good. anyway, let's go to some other news. >> football is possibly behaving badly. >> to men behaving badly. it's so easy. >> new documents revealed toronto's mayor may have offered suspected drug dealers $5,000 and a car to keep a video of him smoking crack from becoming public. rob ford said he wants to see that tape. >> the best excuse i heard you give for using that crack cocaine was that you were in a drunken stupor.
is that supposed to make anybody feel better? >> no, not at all. show me the video. >> why does the video matter. >> because i can barely remember it. >> information comes from wiretaps of gang members toing talked about black mailing ford. ford used drugs regularly including heroin. ford has declined any kind of treatment. his reality show has not worked out very well but we'll have a segment on a washington, d.c. sports radio show starting this morning, calls -- wait for it -- the sports junky. i'm serious. as if washington needed any more of this. even this move is not without controversy. asked yesterday whether washington should change its nfl team from the redskins he reportedly replied no, adding quote, what are we going to call
the cleveland indians, the cleveland aboriginals next? >> good we got that out of the way. >> that was critical. >> the president yesterday gave a speech on the income disparity and a lot of people, a lot of supporters said it was one of his best in some time. >> it looked like he was making a real effort to reach out to liberals that may have been disaffected. whether he'll implement any of the policies he's talked about, raising the minimum wage, whether he's going to limit tax breaks for the rich, that, of course, is policy will be a lot harder for him to actually do. >> but he had to do that. you had a report coming out showing that income disparity had gotten much worse since 2009 and shows that this is not just a republican issue or a democratic issue, it's an ongoing crisis.
>> social mobility is a concern. social mobility in america is lower than in europe. is that the way americans think of themselves they have lower social mobility than in the country you threw over and threw off because we had -- i don't think it feels that -- that's not what americans feel. >> it's counter intuitive. i grew up hearing british people and french people coming to this country, we're coming here because we feel we're so chained down by class structure and all of these obstacles. in america you can come here and be anything you want to be. that's what i heard. >> it's harder. >> it's getting harder. >> i do think that's a problem. it's also the whole discussion about minimum wage with fast food workers across the country will walk off their jobs this morning as part of a 100 city protest. workers are seeing $15 an hour and a right to form a union.
in washington president obama is making income in equality one of the pieces of his second term agenda. >> the idea that a child may never escape that poverty because she lumberjacks a decent education or a health care or a community that views her future as their own it should offend all of us. the combined trends of declining mobility it poses a threat to our way of life. what drives me as a zbroond, a son, a father, as an american is to make sure that every striving hard-working optimistic kid in america has the same incredible chance that this country gave me. >> the current minimum wage is $7.25, adjusted for inflation. that's more than $3 less than the minimum wage was back in 1968. president obama said he'll support a senate bill to
increase the minimum wage to $10.10 but not going to be easy. >> what would the prospects of that be not only in the senate but the house? >> they are not good. it would be easier to do that than to increase taxes on the wealthy at this point in time because that's been ruled off the table by congressional republicans. if you're going after inequality with those brunt instrument, minimum wage would be easier to do. income in equality, the historical trends are staggering. with respect to fast food workers it's an example. i was looking at statistics last night. 26% of all fast food workers in this country are parents raising children. this notion of that kid leaving college orchid in high school flipping burgers is antiquated. we have a society where people have to take on two or three kids. you're raising kids as a dominos delivery man.
it's tough to get out of this system we're in. there's barely a policy covered here. one thing i would say, we were talking about health care, health care is a redistributionist law. it's designed to help poor people avoid bankruptcy associated with medical costs. >> so, we were showing your chart while sam was talking that shows the disparity. since 1978 ceo compensation went up 725%. worker compensation went up only 5.7%. mike, you can remember very well back in the '60s a ceo for a big company, a great company, well he was rich got paid $2 or $3 million a year. >> if that. >> by the way, if he wrecked the companies he wasn't given a $250
million golden parachute which is insulting. you wreck a company. your employees get fired because they are the ones that suffer and then they pay you a golden parachute to get out of there. it's outrageous. >> the disparity was nowhere near what it is today. but there's something, i think, larger than just numbers going on here. that if we break -- if the chain is broken, the chain that american parents have always felt that their children could do and would do better in this country than they have done in this country, that's broken, then something fundamental about who we are as a country is broken. and deeply flawed. the idea that we cannot raise the minimum wage. the idea that a majority of members of congress on both sides of the house and senate, both parties, somehow have come up with the conclusion that we can never again raise taxes on anything because we don't have
the courage to come up with a system where we'll raise a specific tax to take care of an issue. it's crazy. this is crazy. we can't go on as a country like this. >> so, mike, we're entering a time in this december where unemployment insurance is set to lapse. there's very little appetite among congressional republicans right now to continue the program. those benefits will end across christmas time. could affect a million people or so. the fact we don't have money around the holiday season to help the most needy is startling. it says where we are in terms of our politics. >> i understand there's opposition to raising the minimum wage but to sam's point of living a job off of mcdonald's the wage is $7.50. that comes out to $15,000 a year. if you're a single mom trying raise kids think about trying to get your family through the week on that kind of money.
it's not sustainable. the other point was about education. i think we all agree not a partisan issue. we got to do something off those scores to fix our educational base so that we do have upward mobility, so we can compete with foreign kids coming over here and competing in the gobble economy. education is at the core of this and goes to connecting that bond that has been broken. >> you have all this evidence that's truly offensive. take the detroit pension ruling. so we know what the ruling was and we know what the effect may be on people's pensions. they will be cut. city employees, firefighters, no matter how the pension deal was cut years ago the pensions will be cut. but before the pensioners receive their pension who gets paid first? the bond holders, the banks, the big boys and then, then the pensioners will get paid. there's something just deeply flawed with what's been going on
in this country and it's not one party or the other, it's the whole system and it's a couple of decades that it's been going on. >> there's a suspicion the people who have been having these massive hikes in their compensation packages are not reinvesting necessarily in job growth and productivity. they are actually -- it feels to a lot of americans on main street like funny money, it's getting recycled, reput into investment funds that are not necessarily then trickling down to create more jobs. that's a change too. you talked about a change over the course of a generation. people used to invest in making jobs. they are investing in making more money. >> you talked about your danielle adams putting you guys in a car on sunday and riding around, taking you to look this, is where the rich people live up on the hill in the big houses. but your father always thought and he was right you 0 get a big house some day. >> one day i will. one day i will. i always tell the story.
when we lived in meridian, mississippi, we lived out in the country, went into town to go to church. you had to go up the big hill, turn a left, go down country club hill drive, look at the doctor's houses. behind there was the country club. meridian country club if george and i step foot, they would have taken us down with one shot behind the ear. we always believed that you work hard, my parents told us, you work hard, wow look at that. two cars in the garage. my parents always said work hard and when you work hard, you know, joey you do well in school, i missed that part, you can do whatever you want to do. they would say because it's america. i'm sure your parents told you the same thing, mike. >> it was something we believed. there's so many reasons that we
have great concerns. i want to go back willie to education. i mean one of the great challenges is education, our numbers are falling. we learned that this week our numbers have fallen behind so many countries right now, and we have a class, a political class that has been protecting the status quo now despite all the talk of education reform, protecting the status queue. we got to go in and radically reform education in the poorest parts of this country. and the special interest groups that have had this iron like grip on public education, they've got to loosen that grip up and we need to start taking radical experiments and doing what they are doing down in new orleans. giving poor parents the same opportunity that rich parents
have. it's all conservatives are asking for. give the poorest parents the same opportunities that the richest parents have and let them choose. let them decide what school is best for their child. it seems like such a simple approach. and yet, my god, the special interests go crazy when you do that. >> it's not like there aren't people with great ideas. we talk to them every week on this show. there are pockets of people doing incredible things. there's the bronx charter school for excellence. they take a pool of kids from the exact same area, same kids, they don't screen them, it's allottery that go to a public school nearby and these kids are excelling in a way other kids aren't. you take kids side-by-side. they are the same kids coming from the same pool but they are excelling in a way other kids aren't. we can't have that.
everybody has to have the same chance. >> they have a lottery system and kids that go away crying and parents that were assured their children will be doomed because they will go back into failing schools. >> look what jeb bush did in florida. raising literacy levels among hispanic kids. he took a big run in with the unions in the process. >> the unions killed him. >> you look at the numbers and how those literacy numbers raised particularly among the poorest hispanic minorities and it was phenomenal. >> just yesterday joe goodwin, doris goodwin's son he's ooh school teacher. he developed at the concord carlisle regional high school a program called a school within a school in which he, certain students if all income back keiths come to school within a
school and pick courses that are not involved in going from classroom to classroom. as he was explaining it all you could think of -- we have no draft in this country. but we ought to have a national service system where certain students in college are given the option to go teach for two years anywhere in the country. down in meridian, mississippi, concord, massachusetts, detroit, michigan. you choose to do it for two years we'll take care of your student loans. the federal government will pick up your student loans. two years of national service teaching in a school. 16%, maybe even fewer, maybe even smaller percentage 16% of college graduates want to become teachers, school teachers. we have to change that. >> i did it for a couple of years after college, substitute taught and coached football. teaching was the greatest. it was one of the greatest things i was ever able to do.
you know, i had a family of 18 if i could have afforded that, probably would still be teaching today. it's an extraordinary career. >> the benefits are just incredible. you can't calculate the benefits of both the students and teachers. you take sam stein who grew up in a terrific home environment, both parents -- >> spoiled rotten kid. rich boy. >> you take a job teaching in an inner-city school your eyes are opened to an entirely different environment you've never been exposed to. >> there's great programs like the new york city teacher fellowship which i applied forks teach for america. they do these things. we don't put enough resources human resources into our schools and every study shows if a kid has a quality education he's more likely to succeed socially
and economically. we need to invest our time, capital and resources into bettering our education system and getting kids a chance, essentially, at a decent economic life. >> especially the demands for an education are only going to grow. indications are you work on a production line in a factory you need a college degree. everybody will have to have that level of minimum education. it's not something that's optional. >> vocational training over the next decade absolutely critical. coming up on "morning joe" we'll talk to chris matthews ahead of his interview with president obama. plus, pastor rick warren will be here for a special part one of a special two day appearance. and why the richest man on wall street is taking aim at apple. the new issue of "time" possible files karl icahn.
and top stories in the politico playbook. but first bill karins. >> the east coast is warm but suffering in the heartland. this storm really like mid-winter, as cold as it gets and the snow and ice. it's a rough start to winter. let's show you first off what's happening yesterday. minnesota got nailed by this snowstorm. some areas around duluth three feet of snow. in colorado the mountains got it too and the temperatures -- it's minus 26 wind chill right now in denver. let me show you my airport concerns for today. again, the most impacts from this current storm will be felt later tonight and tomorrow in the deep south but denver, albuquerque, oklahoma city, dallas and atlanta all possible airport implications today but mostly late in the day. the cold air has made it down now to dallas. temperature yesterday were in the 70s, now we're at 37. oklahoma city is at 26. that cold air is in place and now some rain will head your way. it will freeze at the surface. ice storm warnings from areas outside of dallas through little
rock and memphis. winter storm warnings for dallas and oklahoma city. we're expecting up to a quarter inch of ice and power outages. some snow on the north side of this. bottom line is travel problems start today into tomorrow. you can get to the deep south do it today. it will be a mess all day friday. you're watching "morning joe."
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in an empty truck. it was carrying cobalt 60 from a hospital to a storage center. cobalt 60 is usually used for medical treatments but can be used to make a dirty bomb. authorities say thieves are either dead or dying after being exposed to the material. it's believed they opened the container not realizing what was inside. >> the florida sentinel ten whales have died and dozens others are stranded near the everglades in florida. they are trapped in three feet of water in the area the size of a football field. park staff and biologists are using boats to herd the whales to the ocean. "wall street journal," apple is extending its reach to china after signing a deal with the world's largest mobile carrier. china mobile will offer iphones later this month. it will have a customer base of
7 million users which is seven times the size of verizon wireless. "new york daily news" shows the generous of the late actor paul walker. ten years ago newly engaged couple walked into a jewelry store shopping for an engagement ring. walker struck up a conversation with kyle when he learned kyle served in iraq. the couple left without a ring because of the $10,000 sticker price but walker bought it for them and asked to remain nameless. store employee felt now was the perfect time to reveal paul walker's act of congress. a woman from ontario became a surprise millionaire ever misplacing a winning lottery ticket. they spent a year track down catherine jones. the best part, jones doesn't remember buying the ticket and was unaware she won before being approached by lottery officials.
one time when you might want to be tracked down by officials. >> let's go down politico. with us the chief white house correspondent is mike allen. good morning. tell us about top story this morning, gop men your headline says tutored in running against women. explain what's going on here. >> well, the first step is admitting you have a problem. that's what republicans are doing here. they have two problems, one is an amazing stat. more than 80% of house republicans are white males and they look at what happened unless they go with mistakes male candidates made including legitimate rape. they are trying to avoid that this time. there's some preemptive counselling by the house republicans campaign arm, the national republican examine committee. they are having clinics about how to run against a woman. there are at least ten cases
where an incumbent male republican is running against a democratic woman challenger. there may be more. a great quote in this story from somebody who has been watching these sessions is these guys have a lot to learn. so, one of the things they are getting is how to talk about -- so they are de-emphasizing, talking about their wives, more family friendly issues. >> katty kay, you're shaking your head over here. >> you need to have clinics on how to address women. in this day and age. what is it, mike? it's recalcitrant sexism from decades ago. these guys must be surrounded by professional women they have to talk to every day. >> well, there's no question
about that. we know going back to rick lazio it's easy for men to make mistakes when they run against women and the last time we saw the candidates say foolish dumb things on the air. so part of this is just warning them what could happen, and giving them some things to say so that they are not freelancing. we found out they are not so good at ad libbing. >> you talk about rick lazio. he walks across tries to get hilary to sign a pledge. looks like a bully. got in her space. i don't know. i'm sure she was nervous all night that rick lazio in his khaki pants and blue blazer was close to her. voters look at that. i tell you what, this is the one thing that really took me a while to figure it out. this was it. it was tough because you always are walking a very fine line. a woman can call you a pig, a
beast, a horrible human being, a whatever. you can't return fire. you just can't or you're a bully. i think the best debate i ever had in my four elections is against a woman and i did so well at the end that i walked out going -- she was tough. she was attacking me on every single issue. it got personal. very angry. i sort of -- i brushed it off. but it was so bad that i was walking out and they were booing her and i walked out. i felt sorry for her. right? even though she had been attacking he in whole time boy that didn't go well. the next day in the newspaper the screaming headlines were that, you know, i was a bully and it was terrible. i never raised my voice because it just went so bad for tonally it was a surprising and
jarring thing. the next day when you run a campaign against a woman, especially if you're a 6'4" man you got to take extra, extra care. >> right. but there's also a ton of studies and information and evidence that shows women are negatively portrayed when they express their views firmly. i have some sympathy with how men have to address women and you can't retaliate in a way you would against a guy but women are always being seen -- the speed which a woman gets seen as over aggressive, overly bullying, unfeminine if she just expresses her views forcefully as a man might do is a reality. >> no doubt. we said it around this table during hilary's campaign how unfair she was being treated much more badly than barack obama because she was a woman. it's a great challenge for both sides. >> a lot of stuff we're trying
to correct here is not just tone but policy. >> talking about rape. >> stuff like that. >> don't talk about the biological impact of rape, raping a woman. >> yeah. >> stuff like that. >> yeah. when somebody asks a question about rape, and then the guy goes you know i'm a doctor so -- that's when you cut the feed. when the guy back stage has a baseball bat he starts going for -- he starts smashing the satellite dish and the micro circuits. >> willie, you are right. when obama told hilary she was likeable enough. however he had a set of policies that were, you know, far more receptive for women, you know, he didn't struggle with the women vote. it's not just tonal and communication, if you're going to oppose, for instance 20 recaps on abortion that will
turn female voters off. >> sam, that's a great point. barack obama said something that new hampshire debate that i'm sure he felt was a tongue and cheek tone. it got turned around as being overly negative towards hillary clinton. she ended up winning that race three, four days later and shocked all of us. >> including herself. >> no, i knew that was coming all along. we were all absolutely shocked. >> except for state senator from new hampshire who told us the night before the primary that hilary was going to win and why. >> it remains one of the most shocking political upsets. we were out. we went to see hilary speak the night before. we felt sorry for her because the crowd was not responsive. all the plates in the parking lot at the national high school were from massachusetts. and we just thought boy what a
terrible way to end a political career. she turned around winning. i wonder again in large part if hit to do -- she teared up but barack obama seen as coming on too strong in that debate where he made an off handed remark. >> now there's a school for that you can go to. mike allen thanks so much. >> barnacle and i especially need it. >> we're sending all of you. >> coming up the number one team in the nation facing a major challenge from an unranked but well-known basketball team. a stunner in sports up next. >> huge. huge. every day we're working to be an even better company - and to keep our commitments. and we've made a big commitment to america. bp supports nearly 250,000 jobs here. through all of our energy operations, we invest more in the u.s. than any other place in the world. in fact, we've invested over $55 billion here
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let's do some sports. upset in college basketball, unranked north carolina down a little bit this year stunning number one michigan state at michigan state. giving the spartans their first loss of the season and tar heels never trailed in the game 79-65 was the final win by 14 points. carolina back in the top five despite losing to belmont and alb. spurs/t-wolves set to play when
a generator malfunctioned pouring smoke into the arena. the teams soon left. the game will be rescheduled back in minnesota. >> good news for the u.s. olympic team, lindsey vonn completed her first official training run since crashing and tearing ligaments in her right knee at the world championships in february. two weeks ago she partially tore those ligaments while training in colorado. vonn covered that course in the 26th fastest time. steelers coach mike tomlin is paying the price for his misstep. the nfl find tomlin $100,000 for this little move. remember he nearly stepped on the field just as the jacoby jones ravens kick returner was running up the sideline. the play may have cost the ravens a touchdown. baltimore did get the win. tomlin is taking full
responsibility for the blunder and says he'll no longer answer questions about it. the league didn't rule out further penalties. >> stop it. >> hundred grand is enough. >> steelers will pay it. >> of course. katty this one is for you. candidate for goal of the year. liverpool maurice suarez set this goal. >> electrifies goal. >> volleyed from 40 yards out. check it again. oh, my goodness. >> can you doctor a soccer ball? >> put some weight on it. >> look at the arc of this. >> the way it dances. >> graceful. it's norwich. >> also the other big story in sports we talked, that big florida state, jamison winston
in allegation of rape against him. coming up here bitter pill last march "time" magazine exposed shocking numbers on why the health care system is costing americans so much money. the author of that article is out with a follow up piece. results just as surprising. we'll talk about it next on "morning joe". [ imitating car engine ]
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he went after weak companies. now he's a shareholder activist. big difference. >> what's the deal with apple. why is it such a rich target. >> bankrupters go where the money is. instead of going after weaker companies they are going after wealthier ones. that's where holding a lot of money on their books, $2 trillion worth of cash on american corporate books and guys like karl icahn think that money should be in their hands. >> he says tim cook is doing a good job with the business. whether he does what i want or not but apple is not a bank. willie he's trying to shake the money tree. >> for people who know the name but don't know that much about karl icahn, why is he the most important investor in america? >> he's actually the richest man on weekend. he's had an astonishing year,
extraordinary for most in the financial class. he's doing this with apple very carefully. he's not unhappy with management. and the shares dropped yesterday. it's an attempt for him to increase his influence in that want company as he's done with chesapeake energy or tried with dell and did earlier this week an oil company in canada as an attempt to have more say over how the company is run. what's on the balance sheet. >> mike, the piece talks about shareholder activists. how are they different from those old corporate raiders. >> they come up with a better branding name. much better market position. i think you should become the shareholder activist. that's a wonderful phrase. basically it means what it meant before the age of the barbarians of the 1980s. >> you don't paint the guy as an activist. ate great photo.
>> the wolf of wall street. >> quite something if you're not karl icahn or maybe he likes it. >> i bet he likes it. >> he's very frank in the conversation with us about how he got to be the most influential guy. so -- >> why is apple holding so much cash? why do they have so much cash in their reserves. >> they have decided it's better place to put it. apple is buying all kinds of different companies in different parts of the technology world. at this point they don't see a better place to put it. they will say and there's some legitimacy they begun a significant buy back program. guys like karl icahn want them to give more back. and that's what this fight if it ends up being a fight will be about. >> you have another story here about hospitals overcharging the poor. we talked about this yesterday. talked about how inefficient the health system is in america. what did you find out?
>> after a bitter pill story last year, that story is followed up. he'll write a monthly column about implementing obama care. basically, the good thing, one of the gas things about obama care it actually sets some new laws saying you can't, hospital can't overcharge the way it did before and expect to have that nonprofit status they enjoy. what was discovered is 2 1/2 years after they wrote through they haven't written regulations that would for the hospitals to start charging them or force hospitals to stop going after poor or indy against or underinsured folks. it's a good story. the obama administration can't get the little things right. some of these practices and policies would start. >> is the stop of overcharge is part of america spend sewing much of its gdp spent on health care or is it a separate issue. >> it's one of the reasons we do spend so much on health care. you get into a minor scrape or
accident you go to hospital and easily rack up $10 or $25,000 worth of charges in a few hours. some of those charges are just completely, you know, unreal. what you're saying is if the private and public hospitals charge essentially what the government pays for these services everybody's cost come down here. >> here's a shot of peter jackson and a boat load of hobbits. another big christmas movie for peter jackson. what did we find out? >> what's great, i thought the series ended after three movies. i think this could go on -- >> forever. >> for quite sometime. have you seen it? >> i saw the first three. >> originally it was going to be one then two parts and then they figured out somehow how to stretch it to three parts.
>> i found the whole in the store first movie. >> they made too much money. >> this is the prequel. they did too goofed job. sam stein you actually grew up, you got beaten up in your prep schools growing up but you always read hobbit books and lord of the rings. you're excited about what's coming up, right? >> no. not really. but, you know, i might watch it when it comes to netflix. this is the prequel. everyone knows "the hobbitt" precedes the lord of the rings. that's what they are doing. >> i haven't read the book or saw the film. >> you never read the book? >> no. i know. i know. >> did you read lord of the rings? >> no. >> oh, my god. >> like all athletes in america, thought that only people that read tolkien was nerds. >> hobbit everybody proves can
be a nerd. >> i'm not judging in a way. it's a failure on my part. >> what i'm telling you you need to go back and read the lord of the rings triology. it's a great trilogy. >> more than indiana jones? >> different league. >> the second indiana jones was just pure garbage. >> also it's more band of brothers than indiana jones. >> beats "star wars." >> it does. really what peter jackson did over that trilogy -- >> he's proving there's not just one but more after that. i don't see a down side. >> hobbit is a drop-off from the lord of the rings trilogy.
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>> so kujo visits the white house and holy cow. i wouldn't go back to kujo. >> that good girl going back for the pet. >> mine would have been screaming at that point. >> we'll show it 12 times. there you go. oh, my goodness. okay, t.j., stop. >> look at the still photo. >> she's down. >> that's a tough, whole lot of something about nothing. nothing. cute girl, cute dog, cute white house. welcome back to "morning joe." mike marinecle, katty kay, sam stein is is the with us. and from "hardball" chris matthews. he'll have an exclusive interview with president obama. how did you get this? you and the president out
golfing and -- >> not the case. >> joe, you know how it's done. >> i don't, actually. >> yes, you do. >> constantly asking, suggesting over the last three or four weeks again and again that it might to meet before a student audience for him to make his points in fronts of a student audience. we provided what the our college tour. i got a call last week saying it looks like a go and i got a follow up call it looks like it was a go. very uncommon ply indicated. >> what do you think the president wants to get out of the appearance tonight on your show? >> well, i think he wants to appear before a young group. college age group they are not affected, a lot of them are under their parents' health care. he'll try to encourage young people to participate and join the exchange and take personal responsibility for their health
care especially if they get in an accident or hit by a disease. so, i guess he will take that opportunity to focus on the audience in front of him. >> all right. he's going to be talking about the president's health plan. katty, what's in the news? >> after announcing more than a million people visited healthercare.gov earlier this week, 29,000 people successfully enrolled through federal exchanges on sunday and monday. that's more than signed up on the website through the entire move america. one group not signing up the senate majority leader's staff. senator harry reid is allowing his team to remain on the federal health care plan becoming the only congressional leader to do so. reid's office said they are following the law which has a provision to allow committee and leadership staffers to skip joining one of the new health care exchanges but that doesn't look very good. >> does not look good. mike barnacle, you want -- when we ran in '94 we said we were
going make congress live by the same laws that the rest of the country lives by. one of those things americans get automatically. >> absolutely. you know, the fact that you in harry reid's office you can have a different plan than average americans are afforded, no, it's not good. not good. >> let's talk about the youth, katty because chris will be talking to the president about getting the youth engaged in the health care plan. there's some polls out there. >> it doesn't look great for him. yesterday the president took his health care pitch directly to younger americans, a group the white house has said it needs for obama care to be a success. >> believe it or not there are actually organizations that are out there working to convince young people not to get insurance. imagine what happens if you get sick. what happens with the massive bills? the people who are running those ads they won't pay for your illness. you're going to pay for it or your family will pay for it. and that's hard to imagine.
look, i do remember what it's like being 27 or 28, and aside from the occasional basketball injury, you know, most of the time i kind of felt like i had nothing to worry about. of course that's what most people think. until they have something to worry about. >> however, support for the affordable care act among 18 to 39 years old is waning. according to a poll by harvard institute of politic, 38% of the young invincibles approve of the president's health care law. 57% disapprove. 29% of young americans without insurance plan to enroll for health insurance through obama care. nearly 80% say they think the quality of health care will either stay the same or get worse because of the affordable care act. and more than 50% think that obama care will make their health costs increase. president obama may have won the youth vote back in 2008 and 2012
with 60% of the vote but what harvard poll finds 40% of young voters approve of his job. he'll have a lot of convincing to do. >> chris, there are other polls much more popular with young people. that grabbed some attention yesterday. >> where is the surprise in all of this. >> i was going to ask you about this. >> why anybody in their 20s with very little money want to shell out anything for anything long term? they want to shell out what they have to shell out especially if they are married with kids. this is the old consumer curve. the indifference curve. economics 101. people prefer this stuff now. that's use get paid interest to lend your money and deposit it in a bank. it's indifference. people want the money now. so clearly for a young person to think ahead or take personal responsibility to say you know what if i'm in a motorcycle accident i want somebody to come
pick me up off the highway. i don't want a sign on me that says leave me alone. i want to go to a nice hospital, the best surgeon, best nurses, best sheets over me. who is paying for all that? that's what the president asked the other day and it's a damn good question for young people especially. >> without giving away your questions for tonight obviously you'll go heavy on the obama care, affordable care ac. >> not necessarily. i want to get to the issues -- >> what's at the core of obama care four. what's the one big question he needs to answer about it. >> it's about the rollout. it's about what it says about executive command. and it's stuff that it talk about all the time on my program which is you need to have a plan or a design for executive performance. how do cabinet members respond the president's demands. how does he make sure what he wants to get done gets done. what's his method. presidents have different method. it's hard to see what his method
is. is it strong chief of staff system? doesn't look like one. does he have personal contact with people like sebelius where he's talking to them every day. hard to see that. you have floaters in the white house that can speak for him but it's not a clear system of accountability. executive accountability. american people back in the 60s about three quarters of them said they had confidence the government will do the right thing. how do you know it's the right thing unless it's under the control of the person you elected. i'll get to executive performance, chain of command where people get in trouble if they don't deliver. this goes back to jim baker. he was the best chief of staff ever. what's his model of running the white house? i want to know what it is. i'll be asking that tonight. >> sam, if i'm in the audience, one of the kids in the audience and i put a question for the
president. i worked hard for you in 2008 and campaigned for you in 2012, now i'm disappointed in your presidency. >> that's a good indictment. i think that's a fair indictment. certainly in the andy poling. i think that, you know, we'll see what happens. my job is not to referee it's to make sure he answers questions. the president will say what he wants to say. i'm going to ask him about the questions i asked about executive management because it's a key question. ezekiel emmanuel said there should have been one person in charge of the rollout. there wasn't one person with that unique responsibility. no other responsibilities but that. unique accountability system. doesn't seem to have been there. that's a great question. also talk about what boehner said, the speaker, we can't get nothing done because we have a divided country. darn it we'll have a divided country the rest of our lives. this is not a one party state.
there's going to be two parties and some parties will control the house and some the senate and some the white house. veried to have a sustained period -- we don't a sustained party where one party runs all three. get used to it. boehner is wrong. divided government is not an excuse for doing nothing. we had successful compromises in the past. we got stuff done. this is just piss ant to blame our government failure to move. 9% approval rating of congress. they have an aisle down the middle. it's always been divided. you have to learn how to be a grown up. i hope i can get to all these questions in a half hour or so. >> i'm sure the president read your latest book -- >> well, joe, you are generous. >> no. i'm sure the president has. and looks back to that example and that famous part where tip
o'neill turn all of his lucent technologies after the huge reagan landslide and says he'll oppose, we'll fight tooth and nail but not obstrujectobject. >> every time boehner leaves the north lawn of the white house by the time he gets in his car i have this sense, don't you guys, his chief of staff is on the phone you can't make that deal with the president. you're in trouble. eric is going crazy up here. the tea party nuts are going crazy. by the time he gets back to the capital the diesel a kabosh. >> so sam stein let me bring you in and chris is going to be talking to the president in front of a group that's increasingly skeptical. we hear about this harvard study but that's far from the only poll that's come out recently.
it shows young voters are critical of the president the most recent pew poll shows the president has a 36% approval rating among young voters, 54% disapproval rating. quinnipiac poll shows they trust republicans by a 10% margin and health care by a 5% margin. how things have changed in a year. >> it's been a really bad year for this white house. and it extends back to -- >> can i ask you, sam, why is it that young voters, have a lower approval rating among young voters than the general population? >> if i had to guess, and i thought about this a bit, it's not just the poor execution of health care, the penalties that come if you don't buy coverage although those are a contributing factor. consistent dripping revelations about the security state i think is resonating with young voters
as well. this morning "the washington post" is reporting that the nsa collects, you know, data on our cell phones and they track our locations via our cell phones. for young voters they don't like the concept of government intruding on your personal life, knowing where you are. i think that's repulsive to them. my guess is that several months worth of continuous revelations along those fronts has damaged the president. >> sam, let me ask you about that. let's stick with the young voters and their growing apparent disapproval of the bristol-mye obama administration and the president himself. do you think, those that a larger part of their disenchantment with this particular president has to do with the fact when they get out of college they won't be able to afford a cell phone because there will be no job for them, because the economic landscape is so bleak for them? >> sure. i totally think that.
that's very accurate. you know the thing is one time where the white house was doing well politically this past year was during the government shutdown. it's a weird way to say you're doing well when the entire government stops. i think young voters and i don't speak for young voters obviously, happen to be the youngest on this panel but young voters have been through a lot in the past four years with respect to the economy and job prospects and student debt which is a huge issue and they look at the landscape and say who has anything to offer -- what are people offering me. they look at obama and say you haven't done a great job. but then they look at republicans in congress and say you guys aren't helping. there's a reason why republicans in congress and congress as a whole has a 9% approval rating which is worse than fortunate. they are looking at the situation and wondering where it gets better. >> you got to be careful. i always say this. democrats, sort of used that 9%
as a lullaby to put themselves to sleep. when you have them saying they trust republicans in congress more than president obama on budget issues, on the economy, on health care, on the deficit. that's very specific and has an impact on next year's elections. >> tonight, chris will afford us all the opportunity to watch the president of the united states. >> "hardball" is kicking you know what? it's kicking it old school, man. remember we used to watch "who wants to be a millionaire" and regis had to be on every night. chris was on at 2:00 and 3:00, 12 times a day. he's on 7:00 now. boom. the number one show. >> more popular than peanut butter and jelly sandwiches.
>> you embarrass me, joe. >> not so easily embarrassed, chris. i assure our audience. >> i think it's interesting, joe. you ask the greatest question tonight. you know the business. i don't usually need them. i enjoy just duking it out with politicians at a distance. i don't need to beg them to come on my show. i always thought, i see the president pop up on different kind of show, entertainment shows like letterman and leno and i'm thinking why can't we get them. they made some decisions in the white house and may have to do with these numbers you guys are talking about. the president is thinking, he may be going his base, going to look for the more aggressive voter and hold that 40%. when you dip below 40% you got to fight. you got to go on offense in this country. that may explain why he gave that populace speech. when you're in trouble in efficiency and competency you
shift the topic to ideology. you change the subject. when reagan was about to lose that second debate back in '84 and worried about it they said let's create a different situation afterwards. the question is who isn't the smartest but what side are you on, do you want to go back to mcgovernism. it's very important. they are trying to change the lens now because they can't make competence over health care the next six months. the news will not be wonderful, blue skies. so if you want to grind it out over the next six months of daily report on health care, do you want change the subject to what kind of a country do you want to live in and hopefully hold your rear guard, hold your 40%. >> chris, this evening before this audience at american university, you're going to be in front of a group of very diverse group. but two elements of this country will not really be represented in this group. the urban and rural poor. i'm talking about them specifically in terms of the file lure of young people to
enroll in the health care deal. okay. because i think a lot of the people, not all of the people who will be seated in that audience represent the terrible combination of ignorance and entitlement. they figure they are never going to get sick because they are young and healthy as the president alluded to in that clip and if they do, someone will take care of them. in other words, us. we'll pick up the tab. >> you heard what sam said, what are they going offer us? answer, nothing. why should the two political parties bid for your love. who is giving it to them to give it to you. that's my question. this is zero sum. they will take it from someone and give to it. tax someone to give that stuff to you. don't count on it. >> if you get the president of the united states this evening jacked up enough to recreate a moment that occurred in 1968 at the university of kansas when robert kennedy was there. a young person stood up and said
if he were elected as president what would he do about the draft. this kid was in danger of being drafted. senator robert kennedy at that moment in time looked at that kid and said i'm going speed it up meaning his draft status. >> it helps bobby was an enlisted man teenager. he had that credibility to make that charge. we're going to where kennedy gave his great american university speech. i'll allude to that. kennedy gave this great speech there the peace speech. but he said something i remembered ever since i read it. problems of man are manmade. they can be solved by man. in the past man has solved the seemingly unsolvable. he can do it again. that sense of national confidence that we can solve our problems especially the ones we create can we bring it back. i think that's what the country want back. they want trust. there's a lot of trust problems out there because promises were made for health care. that's a trust problem he has to
deal with. i think he's also a very difficult opposition out there of people on the other side not boehner but people behind him that boehner has to deal with who from the very beginning wanted to destroy this presidency. some is just good old ideology. the way they treated this guy is unusual in our history. that ought to be pointed out. maybe tonight is not the night to do it. >> i would like to debate that with you at some other day, chris, because i was there when we went after bill clinton and people were accusing bill clinton of killing vince foster -- >> i know all that. >> clinton chronicles, killing people left and right. let me just say we were pretty savage, not me, but what right detector >> let me give you another example. >> pretty savage on bill clinton as much so as on barack obama. >> remember how al gore handled his defeat and the way supreme court addressed that issue and got the presidency for george w.
bush. that's how our constitution works. al gore went out there and basically accepted that without complaint. al gore accepted the fact and then he won by 600,000 votes that w. was president. there were no legal challenges. there is an asymmetry between the hard right and the left. to say they are the same not true. >> there's an extraordinary speech by al gore that night and many observers thought if al gore had spoken that way over the campaign he probably would have won that election. >> if he had richard goodwin throughout the campaign instead of the concession speech it would have helped. >> we'll talk about the
interview tonight. good luck. >> i hope i can do my job. katty, what's next? >> coming up, we'll have more here on "morning joe" with the economist which is looking into its krystal ball for the year ahead. we'll break down the magazine's predictions from music industry to president obama getting his second term back on track. stay with us for more "morning joe." we'll be right back.
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it is 7:25 and here with us now executive editor of the economist, daniel franklin. the economist is out with its issue of the world in 2014. you get christmas, you get presents and the world in print 2014. daniel what will happen to america next year >> america has mid-terms but in the broader world it has an opportunity, because it's going to be wanting to -- it's going to be growing faster and china
is in a bit of trouble. it will be pre-occupied at home. the balance is shifting between america and china and i want has an opportunity, i think, to set the global agenda a bit more than it has done in previous years. >> that's funny because all of the polls that came out and there was a big poll in americans attitude of america's role and the consensus is that america is in decline. it's global footprint is less important than it used to be. there's an element of entrenchment going on. >> it has the opportunity, i won't say it will be retreating from afghanistan, the southwest going to be pulling back. the west craves western leadership. all the problems that president obama has, second term presidents turn abroad to get things done. there's an awful lot done on the agenda particularly with iran and the wider middle east. >> what about that call of the
middle east, american involvement with iran, as minimal as it is and it's going to grow one way or another, what happens there? >> well i think this is the making or breaking of the obama presidency in terms of foreign policy. so, the next six months are going to be absolutely crucial. it's a temporary agreement and there's going to be a question of whether iran can be trusted and take tot the next stage. >> what about afghanistan? many of us in this country expect over the next 12 months or so, that would effectively end or a deal to keep some troops on. when america leaves what will that mean for the country? >> there needs deal. it's a bad thing president karzai is playing politics with this and not getting on and doing it. it is crucial. there's an election in afghanistan next year. the question will be is there enough credibility in that
election to keep the security situation under control and it will require some continued presence of american forces there. >> you mentioned china and perhaps the continued slow down on the chinese economy but we're seeing think it week, a rise in regional tensions driven by chinese nationalism over this disputed set of islands. what happens in that region in terms of national security and how, if you were sitting in the white house or if you were taking your magazine to the white house tomorrow what would you be warning them about regional tensions? >> i think it's another very good example of where america is so essential that without the american presence there, without america being prepared to hold the fort, that situation could easily get out of control very fast. >> we're looking at the prospect of some sort of military conflict? >> potentially unfortunately you could be looking at that particularly by accident. it's in neither side interest,
the chinese or japanese want a military confrontation. with this flight zone being imposed the chance of a mistake and than crisis that ratchets out of control rises dramatically. america needs there. >> some predictions outside the world of politics and foreign policy. richard branson's prediction that 2014 is the year that for the first commercial space flight. >> you signing up, willie? >> no. i want to see how that one goes. >> he's planning to be on the first flight. >> of course. >> with his two children. >> do you think it will be first commercial space flight as richard branson indicates there might be in the coming year or what will happen first? first commercial space flight or the shuttle to boston will be on time? >> well both have been delayed. but first commercial space line as he calls it, he has very big
ambitions for private space travel and putting increasing access to space and beyond that using that to improve life on earth and to, he thinks the space age will undergo a dynamic development much like the jet age in the last century. >> where does he plan to go. did he indicate? >> not very far. >> just around the block. >> around the block. but it is, actually -- private astronauts have been up in the past but as guests, high paying guests of state-run space missions. this is a private space line. we got people from spacex. an exciting development. >> i want to ask about tory birch. you have tory birch in the magazine saying we need more women entrepreneurs.
at what point do we accept the argument that more women in business is better for the global economy. we had the imf make it, different surveys show this. the message is not necessarily getting clear. >> it's not just a good thing in its own right but women entrepreneurs reinvest their profits, 90% or more in their families and communities. the point she makes is a lot more needs to be done to encourage it. there are things you can do to provide education, particularly to provide finance. women find it in emerging markets, in poorer parts of the world difficult to get access to get a start. >> what happens in europe to countries like greece and spain and portugal, do they continue to slide away from the more prosperous european -- >> unfortunately still have recess in greece. most savage recession. what we have in the wider europe
and wider world is a huge year for elections. it's probably the biggest year ever in terms of voting around the world. in europe there are elections for the european parliament and we'll see a massive rebellion against the established parties. we'll see perhaps in france, for example, marrying the far left. no one cares about european parliament. voters will feel free to send a strong rejectionist message to mainstream europe. . >> it is great bedtime reading. my husband is halfway through it. daniel frank lynn the new issue of "the economist," "the world in 2014." coming up, major snowfall out west an now a major ice storm is forming as well. watch out, bill karins with a look at the changing winter weather forecast. "morning joe" will be right back. a subaru...
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we'll have an ice storm on the way. we have ice storm warnings in areas of southeast, oklahoma through little rock, through memphis. dallas is under a winter storm warning. you'll get in a wintry mess. oklahoma city will 0 go from freezing rain to sleet and snow on top of it. our winter storm warnings are up there along the ohio river. the greatest concern for power outages from this ice storm will be from fort smith, arkansas to little rock. paducah and memphis. most will happen later tonight and into your friday. again, a lot of people buying goods and being prepared in case power goes out. and snow on top of this. nothing major. a couple of inches. >> bill, it looks horrible. coming up new andy poling snows younger americans aren't enthusiastic about obama care. we'll talk to two of those millennials who are making their voices heard. that's next on "morning joe."
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there was a time when i was a young invincible. [ laughter ] after five years in this office people don't call me that any more. [ laughter ] i am not allowed for security reasons to have an iphone. [ laughter ] i don't know what your bills are. my suspicion is that for a lot of you between your cable bill u-phone bill, you're spending more than 100 bucks a month. the idea you wouldn't want to make sure that you got the health security and financial security that comes with health insurance for less than that
price, you know, you guys are smarter than that and most young people are as well. >> that was president obama pitching obama care at the white house youth summit yesterday. here with us now from policy mike ceo and found er. policy mike is inviting young people to share ideas for what their generation and white house can do to make the affordable care ac. what does president obama have to say to young americans tonight to make them change their minds and it's worth signing up for health insurance? >> i think the key point is they haven't made up their mind yet because they are not educated enough on what the law means for them, how it will impact them in the short term and long term. the most important thing president obama can do is start a conversation, start a discussion which is really what he's set out to do and so this open mike conversation the white house will be responding to the
most voted on submissions from young people all across the country. so i think president obama is very committed to starting a conversation that will hopefully get our generation educated on the details which are critical about this law. >> you know, jake, before -- you know we don't get into poll numbers about disapproval rates of obama care among younger people. where do you sense this cynicism, this disinterest in anything that government can do or might be able to do for young people comes from? what's the root of it right now? >> i think we don't put too much stock into one poll or another but generally speaking the climate has been very partisan and with the website issues. it feels like the air is clearing more now and generally speaking one thing that we do know from polls is young people aren't educated about this law. it's our position that if we start a conversation and young people learn more what this law
means for us and our generation we can have a meaningful conversation about the law that will get our generation engaged and people will be able to make the decision one way or the other i'll sign up or not sign up. >> is the thinking -- it's my feeling some young people have written it off completely because they don't know about it or they think they will fund the health care of older people because your demographic at policy mike is younger, your trying to get to people who have already stopped listening? people aren't even paying attention to it any more. >> yeah. so, i think that's right. and one of the reasons people have somewhat written it off is because there's been so much political back and forth that hasn't been focused on the law itself. but really partisan positioning and partisan bickering. that's one thing our demographic responds to. it's true for a lot of kids they
will pay more and they would say why would do i that. >> why not pay the fine. >> we have young people across all political spectrums. people are divided. some people are positive on this law, think it's a great thing they can be on their parents' plan until age 26. some are worried about long term cost struck purr. there's that discussion and debate amongst our generation. the two of us come from different political leanings. that's why we're excited for this conversation no matter what you're leaning to have a discussion with people. >> let's take a jump past the aca and a discussion about the health care act and young people's interest or disinterest in it. this is a newspaper. this is where you get your new physician you're under 30 years of age. news out of washington, correct me if i'm wrong, if you're your age, 25, 26 years, news out of
washington, you think you get 535 tools in washington trying to tell us how to live their lives and they can't get anything done amongst themselves. why would i listen to them. is that happening >> that's exactly right. people sometime tune out. the key thing, those is they still care about tissues. they still care about changing the world. care about changing the world. they voted in a higher rate in 2012 and 2008 even though obama was much less exciting the second time around. and so what we found is if we can start a real discussion that gets beyond the partisan bickering then you can have a conversation and the exciting part is in something that hasn't been done before is that you're right the phone is now our new source and i want allows for you to participate in the conversation from your phone as well as, you know, as well as responding to politicians in real-time. so it's a really exciting conversation that wasn't possible ten years ago.
>> you can be involved even though you think your members of congress are being what was your word -- >> a tool. >> then you can get around that by being part of the conversation and taking much more initiative. >> jake, could you not put on the tie and chris you could have come in with -- made us work harder. >> it's blue and red. >> chris and jake, thanks very much for coming in both of you. on tomorrow's show, "vanity fair" editor in chief graydon carter joins us. and will farrell's latest stop on the anchorman promo tour takes him to the college campus. that's next when "morning joe" comes back.
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believe in god and i believe in his word. the bible teaches us no one has all the answers. only god does. neither political party is always right. this is my compass. my north star. it gives me comfort and guidance to do what's best for arkansas. i'm mark pryor and i approved this message because this is who i am and what i believe. >> the national republican senatorial committee attacked pryor for the ad, noting that last year he said the bible is really not a rule book for political issues. the committee's communications director wrote so is the bible mark pryor's compass providing the guidance to do what's best or is it not a good rule book for political issues and rules in the senate. guess it's which mark pryor you ask.
they write that is an incredibly bizarre and offensive e-mail from the press secretary. we should all agree that america is better off when the public officials in both parties have the humility to seek guidance from god. marco rubio's pack is spending six figures promoting the military service and conservative beliefs. they have to go to our special guest, joe scarborough. thank you for coming in and visiting the program. >> i'm kind of nervous. >> have we given you something to talk about? >> get to the point. >> boy, he said he had to show courage. >> a lot of courage to run that type of ad. i'm not afraid to admit. a lot of courage to run that? arkansas when you are in political trouble. i don't know how he did it. >> making a tough statement like
i believe in god. >> i will save you guys. how about ron burgundy? he relates -- >> the pace moves so fast here. >> the promotional tour moves quick as well. ron burgundy in boston. they are renaming their school of communication in honor of not you, but the fake news man. >> of all the colleges to give me this esteemed award and being recognized by this electoral college, it's extraordinary. i thought you met once every four years to pick the president. to know that the ron burgundy school of communication will stand here for the test of time. a thousand years from now when the planet is controlled by robots and newtons from the x
men series, one thing will still be standing. >> the irony is they renamed the school of communication for one day. burg uundy stopped in boston an he was in north dakota for a real newscast in that great state and australia last week sing afternoon delight. in november, mr. burgundy for the mtv emas. it's not in theaters until december 18th. >> a lot of promotion. sometimes it's not funny. anything with him in it is funny. a car wash would be funny in ron burgundy was there. step brothers was okay. >> probably he has money in this and that's why he is promoteing it so much. >> would he have the courage to come here? >> he has been here before.
>> now i think -- >> a dress update. >> this seat is available. if i can get into it, ronburg u you understand -- ron burgundy can. >> gets, can you pipe down? president obama is bringing income inequality into the spotlight. the wage differences between an average worker and average ceo. joining the conversation with joe scarborough will be right back.
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it's 8:00 on the east coast and 5:00 a.m. on the west coast. katy kay and sam stein. a press conference in tallahassee today that may shake-up college football. >> yeah. winston the superstar freshman quarterback in florida state named the acc player of the year yesterday. they will announced findings of the investigation. a woman accused winston of rape. if the charges are brought about, he will not be able to
play for the rest of the season and it will be interesting to see the rest of his career. >> the police were covering it up that she was intimidated. >> it doesn't say i'm good. anyway, let's go to some other news. >> football is possibly behaving bad. >> to men behaving badly. >> toronto's mayor may have offered suspected drug dealers $5,000 and a car to keep video of him smoking crack from becoming public. rob ford has said he wants to see that tape. >> the best excuse i heard you give for using that crack cocaine is you were in a drunken stupor. is that supposed to make someone feel better? >> no, but i want to see the video. i can't remember it.
>> the information comes from wire taps who discuss trying to black mail ford. they suggest ford regularly used drugs including possibly heroin. ford declined any addiction treatment and rob ford's show didn't work out very well, but he is going to have yes, a segment on a washington, d.c. sports radio show starting this morning called, wait for it, the sports junkie. >> no, no, no. >> i'm serious. i'm totally serious. as if washington needed more of this. this move is not without controversy. when asked whether they should change their name from the redskins he said what are we going to call the cleveland indians, the cleveland aboriginals? >> good to know. i'm glad we got that out of the way. >> that was critical.
>> the president yesterday gave a speech on the income disparity and a lot of supporters said it was one of his best in sometime. >> it looked like he was reaching out to liberals who may have been disaffected. whether he is going to implement the policies he was talking about raising the minimum wage or going to limit tax breaks for the rich, that of course is policy that was going to be a lot harder for him to do. >> he really had to do that. you had a report saying income disparity had gotten worse since 2009 and this was not just a republican issue or a democratic issue. this is an ongoing crisis in america that many in the west of having. >> social mobility in america is lower than it is in europe. is that the way americans are thinking of themselves? they have low social mobility
that you threw over? i don't think it feels -- that's not what americans feel. >> it's counter intuitivintuiti. people who came to this country came here because they feel like they are chained down by class structure and all of these obstacles. in america you can be anything you want to be. that's what i heard and now you are hearing that is getting harder. >> i think that's a problem, but it's also the whole discussion about minimum wage is working across the country. they walk off the jobs as part of 100 city protesters. workers are seeing $15 an hour and the right to form a union in washington. president obama is making income inequality one of the major piece of his second term agenda now. >> the idea that a child may never be able to escape that
poverty because she lacks a decent education or health care or a community that views her future as their own, that should offend all of us. the combined trends of inequality pose a threat to the american dream and our way of and what we stand for around the globe. what drives me as a grandson and son and father and as an american is to make sure that every striving hardworking optimistic kid in america has the same incredible chance that this country gave me. >> the current minimum swage $7.25 adjusted for inflation, $3 less than the minimum wage in 1968. president obama will support a senate bill to increase the minimum wage to $10.10. it's not going to be easy. >> what would the prospects be not only in the senate, but the house? >> they are not good. it would be easier than to
increase taxes on the wealthy at this point in time. that has been ruled off the table by congressional republicans. if you are going to go at inequality. minimum wage will be easier to do. income and equality, the trends are staggering and with respect to fast food workers, it's an example. i was looking at statistics. 26% of all fast food workers are parents raising children. this notion of that kid leaving college and the flit in high school flipping burgers, we have a society where people have to take on two or three jobs and is the job where you are raising kids and working as a domino's delivery man. it's tough get out of the system we are in. there is barely policy covered here. if you are talking about health care law, it's a
redistributionist law. it's designed to help avoid the bankruptcy benefit cost. that will probably accrue. >> we were showing the chart that talks about disparity. the great divide from 1978 to 2011 it went up 725%. worker compensation only went up 5.7%. you can remember well in the 60s, a ceo for a big company, a great company. he was rich. he got paid $2-3 million a year. >> if that. >> by the way, if he wrecked the companies, he was not given a $250 million golden parachute which is insulting. you wreck a company, your employees get fired and then they pay you a golden parachute
to get out of there. it's outrageous. >> the disparity was nowhere near what it is today. something i think is larger than just numbers going on here. if we break -- if the chain is broken and the chain that american parents have felt that their children could do and would do better in this country than they have done, if that's broken, something fundamental about who we are as a country is broken. deeply flawed. the idea that you cannot raise the minimum wage and the majority of congress on both sides of the house and senate, both parties somehow have come up with the conclusion that we can never raise taxes on anything because we don't have the courage to come up with the system where we raise a specific tax to take care of an issue is crazy. this is crazy. we can't go on like this.
>> one point to that, we are entering a time where unemployment insurance is said to lapse. there is very little appetite to continue the program. those end around christmas and could affect around a million people or so. we don't have money to help the most needy is startling and said a lot as to where we are in terms of politics. >> i understand the opposition of raising the minimum wage, but to the point about a family trying to live off a job in mcdonald's, the minimum wage is is $7.25 an hour. that's $15,000 a year if you get $40. if you are a single mom trying to raise kids, think about getting through on that money? it's not sustainable. the other point was on education. not a partisan issue. we have to do something off the scores we saw earlier to fix our educational base.
we have upward mobility and can compete with foreign kids coming over here and competing in the global economy. education is at the core and goes to connecting the bond that has been broken. >> in addition, all of this evidence that is truly offensive. take the detroit pension ruling. we know what the effect might be on people's pensions. they will be cut. city employees and firefighters and tension. no matter how the deal was cut years ago, they will be cut now. before they receive the pension, who gets paid first? the bond holders and the big boys. there is something dopely flawed and it's not one party or the other. it's the whole system and a couple of decades that have been going wrong. >> the people who have been having these hikes in
compensation packages are not reinvesting in job growth and productivity. it feels like fun money, but it is getting recycled and put into funds that are not necessarily then trickling down to create more jobs. that's a change too. over the course of a generation and people used to invest in making jobs. i don't think that's happening. they are investing in making more money. >> you talked about your dad putting you guys in a car on sunday and riding around and taking a look. this is where the rich people live up on the hill in the big houses. your father thought and he was right, that you could get a big house one day. >> one day i will. we lived in mississippi. we lived out in the country and we would drive into town to go to first baptist church in meridian and to do that huh to go up the hill and go down
country club drive and we would look at the doctor's houses and we would ask who lives in those houses? behind there was the country club. i think if george and i stepped foot on there, they would take us down with one shot behind the ear. we always believe that you work hard and my parents told us that. you work hard. wow, look at that! two cars in the garage! my parents said work hard and when you work hard, do you well in school. you will be able to do whatever you want to do. they would say because it's america. i'm sure your parents told you the same thing. it was something we believed. there so many reasons that we have great concerns. i want to go back to education. one of the great challenges is
education. our numbers have fallen behind so many countries right now. we have a class that has been protecting the status quo now despite the talk of education reform and protecting the status quo for decades now. we have got to go in and radically reform education into the poorest parts of the country. the special interest groups who had this iron-like grip on public education, they have got to loosen that grip and we need to start taking radical experiments and doing what they are doing in new orleans. it's giving poor parents the same opportunity that rich parents have. that's all we are asking for. give the poorest parents the same opportunities that the richest parents have and let them choose.
let them decide what school is best for their child. it seems like such a simple approach yet my god, the special interests go crazy when you do that. >> it's not like there not great ideas. we talk to them every week and there pockets of people doing incredible things. there is a school called the bronx charter school for excellence. a public school in the bronx and they take a pool of kids from the exact same area. they don't get to screen. it's all lottery. the kids at the school are excelling in a way that the others aren't. you take kids side by side. not because they are richer and have an advantage. they are the same kids coming from the same pool, but they are excelling in a way that other kids aren't. we can't have that. everybody has to have the same chance and we can't leave it up to a lottery. >> kids go away crying and make sure their parents would be
doomed because they go back to failing schools. >> you look at jeb bush in florida. >> he did an amazing job. he took a run in with the unions in the process. >> you know what? >> you look at the numbers and how the literacy levels are raised. it was phenomenal. >> just yesterday joe goodwin, doris goodwin's son was on with us and he was a school teacher. he developed at the regional high school a program called school within a school. certain students from all income brackets come to the school within a school and they basically take courses that are not involved in going from classroom to classroom. it's an exciting school and environment. as he was explaining that, all you could think of was we have
no draft in this country. we ought to have a national service system. certain students in college are given the option to go teach for two years. anywhere in the country. down in mississippi and concord, massachusetts. detroit, michigan. if you choose to do it, give us two years and we will take care of your student loans. the federal government will pick up the student loans. teaching in a school. there is only 16% or fewer, maybe even a smaller percentage. 16% of graduates want to be school teachers today. we have to change that. >> i did it for a couple of years after college. i substitute taught and taught football. it was one of the things i was ever able to do. i would have a family of 18 if i could have afforded that.
i would still be teaching today. it is an extraordinary career. >> the benefits are incredible and you can't calculate the benefits. the students and the teachers. take sam stein and we drew up in a terrific home environment. >> spoiled rot on. the connecticut rich boy. >> i take a job teaching and your eyes are open to a different environment. you never have been exposed to. >> exactly. >> there is great programs like the new york city teacher fellowship. they do these things. you are absolutely right. we don't put enough human resources into our schools. every study shows if a kid has a quality education, he is more likely to succeed. regardless of how to get there, we need to invest our time and capital and resources into bettering our education system
and getting kids a chance at a decent economic life. >> coming up, house republicans are doing everything they can to keep another todd aiken moment from derailing the vote. what not to say when running against the opposite sex. please. don't try to redefine ray. that's a good place to start. here's bill with a check on the forecast. what's it look like? >> a nasty forecast in the middle of the country. if you are in colorado or minnesota. i hoped you shovelled when it was warm and snowing. you don't want to be outside this morning trying to clear the car or the driveway or the sidewalk. it snowed up to two to three feet and now look at the temperatur temperatures. it is minus 20 in fargo wind chill. minus 11 in minneapolis. in denver of all places one of the lowest wind chills we had anywhere on the map. minus 31.
only montana is colder at minus 38. that's brutal temperatures all through the central plains. that air is heading south and knocking on the door in houston. enjoy that 73 while you can. 36 in dallas. we are looking at freezing drizzle in oklahoma. soon that will colorize and we are talking enough that we can deal with power outages for a couple of days in some cases. it will be cold on the tail end. the areas of greatest concern, dallas and just outside of nashville and louisville. travel in the areas now if you can. tomorrow at this time in arkansas that whole picture you are seeing will be covered in the half inch of ice. you are watching "morning joe." [ lane ] do you ever feel like you're growing old
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>> let's take a look at the morning papers. a pair of thieves stole a truck with dangerous radio active material in mexico. the car was found in an empty lot. it was carrying cobalt 60 from a hospital to a storage center. it is usually used for medical treatments, but can also be used to make a dirty bomb. the thieves are likely dead or dying after being exposed to the material. it is believed they opened the container not realizing what's
inside. >> dozens of whales died near the shore in the everglades national park in florida. 11 whales are trapped in three feet of water in an area the size of a football field. 41 whales. park staff and biologists are using boats. the whales are in extreme distress and may not survive. >> the "wall street journal," apple is extending reaches to china after signing a deal with the world's larger mobile carrier. china mobile will offer iphones and opens the door to a customer base of 700 million possible users which is seven times the size of verizon wireless. >> "new york daily news" shows the generosity of the late actor paul walker. nearly ten years ago, the newly engaged couple walked into a jewelry store shopping for an engagement ring. walker struck up a conversation when he learned kyle served in
iraq. the couple eventually left without a ring because of the $10,000 sticker price, but walker bought it and asked to remain nameless. the employee felt now was the perfect time to reveal his act of kindness that day. >> that's a great story. >> a woman from ontario became a millionaire after misplacing a winning lottery ticket. the canadian official spent a year tracking down katherine jones using credit card records and surveillance. jones doesn't remember buying the ticket and was unaware. one time you want to be tracked down by officials. >> not a bad surprise. mike allen has a look at the playbook. >> tell us about the top story. gop headline said tutored in running against women. explain what's going on. >> the first step is admitting
you have a problem. that's what republicans are doing here. they have two problems. is an amazing stat. more than 80% of house republicans are white males. they look at what happened and unless they go with mistakes that male candidates made including legitimate rape, they are trying to head this off. preempted counseling by the house republicans campaign arm, the national republican campaign committee have clinics about how to run against a woman. there at least ten cases where an incumbent male republican is running against a democratic woman challenger. there may be more and a great quote in the story from somebody who has been watching these sessions is these guys have a lot to learn. one of the things they are getting is how to talk about it. they are deemphasizing social
issues and talking about their wives and early childhood education. some of the more family friendly issues that we heard and the number two house republican talking about on this show. >> you are shaking your head. >> i find it staggering that you need clinics on how to address women. in this day and age. what is it that that sexism from decades ago lingered over? don't they know? they must be surrounded by professional women they have to talk to every day. >> no question about that, but going back to rick lazio, it's easy for men to make mistakes when they are running against women and last time we saw the candidates saying foolish dumb things on the air. part is warning them what can happen and giving them some things to say so that they are not free lansing. they are not so good at ad
libbing on the topics. >> that's the perfect example. he walks across and tries to get hillary to sign a pledge and looks like a bully. got in her space. i'm sure she was just nervous all night that rick lazio and his khaki pants and blue blazer. voters look at that and i tell you what. this is the one thing that really took me a while to figure out. this was it. it's tough because you always are walking a very fine line. a woman can call you a pig, a beast, a horrible human being or a whatever. you can't return fire. you just can't or you are a bully. the best debate i ever had in four elections is against a woman. i did so well at the end that i walked outgoing -- she was tough. she was attacking me on every
single issue. they got personal. very angry. i brushed it off. it was so bad that i was walk out and they were booing her. i walked in. i felt sorry for her. she was attacking me the whole time and i thought that didn't go well. the screaming headlines were that i was a bully and even though i never raised my voice. tonally, you have to be so careful. that was one of the most surprising things and i did say that if you are a 6'4" man, you have to take extra extra care. >> there is also a ton of studies and information and anecdotal evidence that suggest that women are constantly negatively portrayed.
i have some sympathy with the idea that men have to be careful with how they address women and you can't retaliate the way you would against a guy, but women are always being seen -- the speed with which a woman is overaggressive and overly bullying and unfeminine if she expresses her views is also a reality. >> no doubt. i think we said around this table how unfair it was and how she was being treated so much more badly than barack obama because she was a woman. >> a lot of the stuff they are trying to correct is not just tone, but tell us. >> like don't talk about rape? >> stuff like that. >> don't talk about the biological impact of raping a woman. >> stuff like that. stuff like that. >> when somebody asked you a question about rape and the guy
goes i'm a doctor, that's when you cut it. when the guy back stage has a baseball bat and he starts smashes. you are right though. remember when obama told hillary that she was likeable enough? because he had a set of policies that were far more receptive. it's not like it's tonal. if you are going to oppose the lily led bedder act or abortions, that will turn a lot of female voters off. >> that's a great point. barack obama said something that new hampshire debate that he thought was sort of a tongue in cheek joke. it got turned around as being overly negative towards hillary clinton. she ended up winning that race three or four days later and shocked all of us.
i knew that was coming all along. all of us. absolutely shocked. >> except for the state senator from manchester, new hampshire who told us that hillary was going to win and why. >> remains one of the most shocking political upsets. it does. we were out and we went out to see hillary speak the night before and felt sorry for her because the crowd was not responsive. all the plates in the parking lot at the high school were from massachusetts. we thought boy, what a terrible way to end a political career. i wonder again in large part whether it had to do. she teared up and barack obama is seen as coming on too strong in that debate. he just made an off handed remark. >> mike allen. up next, rick warren is leading by example when it comes to a
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with us now, pastor of saddle back valley community church in california and author of the purpose-driven life. i am not good with this book thing, but best selling book, do you qualify for being a best selling book if you only sold 36 million copies? just curious. >> not if you are these guys. >> you are on the bubble. maybe, make the turnament and maybe you don't. these guys who sold 36 million. we will get rich. it's a great honor to have a great friend with us and he is joined by a psychiatrist and family physician dr. mike hyman. they coauthored the daniel plan, 30 days to a healthier plan. talk about the daniel plan and the challenges he made. where this title comes from. >> the idea is daniel was a guy who held a food contest and said
you eat your fatty foods and i will eat healthy and see who wins. we took that title and what happened is a couple of years ago i was baptizing about 850 people on one day. we put them under the water. i realized we are all fat. that was the thought going through my mind. we are all fat. but i'm fat. i'm fat. >> a new life in jesus christ, you are fat! >> i got up the next sunday and said i only gained two or three pounds a year, but i have been your pastor for 30 years. anybody want to join me? 12,000 signed up that day. 15,000 signed up the first week and in the first year with the plan with these two doctors helped me put together, they lot of a quarter of a million pounds. >> why does the daniel plan work? >> it's more than about food and fitness. it's about faith, friends and focus. the three what we call the
special sauce. you have to have the right motivation and friends. you have to do it with other people. you have to have a small group and change the way you think about food and your and things like that. >> daniel, how do you change the way you think about food and your life? >> the first thing is you necessary a war for the health of your brain and your body. everywhere you go, someone is trying to shove bad food down your throat that makes you sick. 140 studies who say as your weight goes up, the physical size and function of your brain goes down. it is not based on two studies. 140 studies. the first time i read that, i lot of 25 pounds. without ever doing anything to have a smaller brain. we call it the dinosaur syndrome. big body, little brain you will be extinct. it's telling people the truth. when your brain is better, are
your decisions are better. we give tips on how to optimize brain function in the context of doing it with a group. >> the impack on your is extraordinary. >> we got them off the junk. they were having donuts and rib breakfasts. >> boy. oh, lord. >> i think they got them to church. ribs for breakfast. >> living in glass houses. >> eat food that was made by god and not man. food that came from nature and not made in a factory that was grown in a plant and not made in a plant. people had extraordinary charges. it wasn't a weight loss program. it was to create health. it happened as a side effect and it was extraordinary. it was the love diet because what worked here was the power of each other. it was small groups working together and supporting and helping each other and cook and
shop together. the people who did it together lot of twice as much as those who did it alone. >> how important is accountability? >> i have a question for you. as soon as we finish hiding the munch kins. >> you have the bugles under there. i see that. >> how does faith play a part in this diet? >> good question. on a theological basis, god made your and jesus died for your and the spirit lives in your body. you better take care of it. the bigger issue is most diet plans are motivated by guilt or fear. or the mirror. this one is motivated by love. there is two ways you can change your life. one is will power and one is change what i call the auto pilot. if i'm in a boat anded heading north, the auto pilot said go north, i want to go south. i can grab the steering wheel and force it to turn around and that's called will power and
pretty soon i get tire and i let go and i start smoking or go off my diet or whatever. the other thing is to change the auto pilot. we talked about how do you change the auto pilot and renew your mind so you think differently. >> people change the behavior not because someone tells them to, but if your friends are doing it. it's the social connections that drive our behavior. that insight is at the core of the plan. it's the love diet. >> you talk about 40 days to a healthier life. >> it's true that is it is 40 days. it takes six weeks to develop a habit. do something every day for three weeks to be comfortable and every day for weeks to be habitual in your life. 40 days is not the turning point, but establishing the habit you will have for the rest of your life. >> it's like purpose-driven life. >> i did that in the same way.
>> people said i'm national league going to get into this bible study and get friends into it. it is built around the same concept. >> it's more than a book. it's a movement and we are seeing a lot of people change lives. if you never have been able to stick with it, you ought to try this. >> will power and the mind. how do you strengthen your brain's will power? >> there is a couple of things that are simple. we talk about how important sleep s. you get less than six hours, have lower blood flow and more bad decisions. >> that explains a lot. >> we hava the right audience today, guys. >> if you know your motivation, get sleep and eat healthy food to start. our plan you have to eat to lose weight. if you go too long without eating, you have lower blood sugar and lower blood flow and more bad decisions. this is about abundance. the food is amazing. when you get well, your kids get
well. your spouse gets well. people at work get well. that's why it spread in such a fast way. >> all right. you guys have to go and i greatly appreciate it. the book is the daniel plan. 40 days to a healthier life. we will see you tomorrow. >> faith on fridays. we are so excited to talk about your life and your ministry. what your wife is doing and everything. really exciting. coming up next, surprising new jobless claims coming out this morning. business before the bell is next on "morning joe."
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>> six-year low on the unemployment figures that you discussed. better than expectations. gdp also better than expectations. what are we seeing in the markets? they moved lower because when we get strong economic data, the federal reserve will be less easy with money. we are seeing a pull back. for main street great numbers out and that feeds into the stock market. good news does become good news. >> does this mean tomorrow's number with the jobs report are we now to assume it will be better than expected? >> there is a lag. it will be next month's, but we have seen a trend out of the weekly numbers. it could suggest that tomorrow will be done. tomorrow is the mac dad i number of the month. the monthly super bowl that will be super important. >> thank you very much. i want to see this.
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river and also passed deep cuts in food stamps if are the poor which is good solid governing because the poor don't need food stamps anymore now that they can fish near dams on the coupler withland river. >> time to talk about what we learned. we learned a lot. i learned you can catch a munch kin in your mouth if it is delivered right. >> it's not good. really bad in my case. we have a champion. is donut hole capture in chief. >> he's good at it. >> it should surprise no one. not just because he loves donuts, but the athlete. he can still bring it. >> what did you learn? >> besides that, that he's better at catching donuts in his mouth. i don't know what else is on my mind. >> i learned thing. sam stein said it. the conversation tonight that young people want to hear about the nsa is something they will
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