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♪ >> he achieved more than could be expected of any man. today he's gone home. we will not likely see the likes of nelson mandela again. so it falls to us as best we can to forward the example that he set. to make decisions guided not by hate but by love. >> president obama leading our nation in mourning. former south african mandela, his death 24 hours ago was not unexpected but caused a deep sense of loss and outpouring of memories and condolences. he spent 95 years on this earth. 27 of them in prison for treason. he led the crusade against apartheid and for human dignity
and reconciliation and won the 1993 nobel peace prize and became the first black president and nation's first democratically elected president and touched millions of lives around the world. mandela compares to dr. king and gandhi as nonviolent agents of change and progress. pope francis said the sted fast commitment in proving dignity and forging a new south africa built on firm foundations on nonviolence should inspire generations to put it in front of their political aspirations. plans are already under way for memorials and of course his state funeral. here in america, flags are lowered at the capitol and the white house. and candlelight vigils are planned for tonight. president obama, who was inspired by mandela's life and visited with his family this past summer will be among hundreds of world leaders heading to pretoria to honor him. michelle kosinski is outside
mandela's home and where the official memorial service will be held. it's 10:00 p.m. and crowds have been swelling for 24 hours. what's the feeling there? >> reporter: that's right. a lot of people didn't even find out what it happened until midnight here last night. several hours after he passed away. and so it was really early in the morning once dawn broke that people started flooding this place. as soon as they got wortd he died, this became a crowd. it has been nonstop. even though it's 10:00 here now, it is only gotten more and more lively over the last three or four hours. a lot of people are working and came here after work. it is not as if people are staying all day, it's an endless procession, people passing through and many bringing flowers and some of them are bringing gifts for the crowd and women baked cookies and baskets full of cookies and handing them out. it's almost become a sort of peace fest.
it's very nice. there's been constant singing. these beautiful african songs in several different languages. they were singing one saying nelson mandela, there was no one like him. when you think about what this means to people in a very real sense, many of these people have lived through apartheid. the ending of it was so recent. this is the recent past. and when you talk to people here, even young people, they tell you stories like my father served time in prison. he lived through apartheid and couldn't find a job or get the education he wanted. his only goal was that i could do those things. and with nelson mandela, i could. they feel that gratitude to him and these are very young people today. it's the sense this isn't really even memories, it's the active workings of his message and work he did in his life. it's important for people to feel like this is an ongoing
struggle. there's still difficulties in society here today, it's a democratic society now but there's a big gap between rich and poor. people feel they dont want that momentum he started and acted upon to be just words now. want to make sure it lives on in action. people are talking about that. people are coming here with their entire families and friends of various races and they are really making it known how they felt about nelson mandela and how they still feel about them. >> a dynamic slice of history you're going through. a lot planned in terms of memorials. what's on the schedule? >> first of all, this sunday, the president has declared it a national day of prayer and encouraging everybody to get together and have your own gatherings in your homes. this is one big gathering and we're waiting to see how long it's going to last. maybe days and days. it's been truly joifl. there's a memorial sofs open to
the public on tuesday, at a soccer stadium here that seats more than 90,000 people. where he gave his last public appearance in 2010 during the world cup. for three days his body will lie in state in pretoria where he served as president. finally there will be a state funeral for him in his remote hometown of hometown. >> michelle kosinski, thanks so much. we want to head back to new york in the studio is nbc news contributor charlayne hunter gauld. thanks for being with us. >> happy to be here. >> you have been a pioneer in your own right. in 1961 were one of two african-american students to be the first to enroll at university of georgia.
and i have to think at that time it must have seemed impossible that in this country we would now have seen the election of the first african-american president. for mandela, when he started his journey to also be seemingly impossible to end apartheid, how did he overcome that mental block of tackling something that seems so intractable and impossible? >> i guess it was the same way so many young people in america as well as south africa overcame the mental block of fighting against an unjust system. young people in this country change the face of the south and therefore america before the eyes of the world. you know, the struggle in south africa had ebbs and flows, even during the time mandela was in prison and so it was the young people in 1976 who rose up and launched a new phase of the struggle, a much more active
phase of the struggle. and it is believed that that was the beginning of the end of apartheid. those men in prison, like nelson mandela, were thinking about the future, many were young people with them in prison, my friends, those were young people then. and interestingly enough, although mandela and his comrades have been sentenced to life, they were still preparing those young people who were 16, 17, 18 years old for leadership. so it was a vision and it was faith. you now, i'm the daughter of a preacher an granddaughter of one. so i think faith is important. i think faith was what moved those people to continue fighting even in the face of what appeared to be insurmountable adds. >> we're so happy to have you on the show. you interviewed mandela several times.
what was he like up close? >> initially up close he was guarded. i almost stalked him around his backyard waiting for my time to interview him so he could sort of become familiar with me and maybe tell me something he wasn't telling the other journalists. but he was very guarded. although he did relax a little bit when i told him about my experience in the civil rights movement, but it brought to mind for him maya angelou, do you know her? talked about how he had -- they had read her work in prison. but then, as i watched him over the years as he spent more and more time in the outside world, he became a little more relaxed and talked more and more about what it was like in prison. and talk more and more about his own vision. he was always a very humble man. he never really -- although he was the leader, he never took credit. for example, when i asked him at a day back in his yard a few days after prison, when everybody thought he was going
to be president, do you foresee a time when you will become president of this country? he said, well, you know, that's up to my -- i'm a loyal member of the african national congress and whatever they decide. behind the scene i understand he could rule with a kind of iron hand when necessary. but the face -- his face to the public was always of a genial giant. >> way he comported himself and humility is very genuine described with an ability to lead and be strong also of course was instrumental in the way he lived out his time in prison. reading from the "new york times" obituary, he credited the prison experience with teaching him the tactics and strategy that would make him president, almost from his arrival, he assumed a kind of command the first time his lawyer visz ited him, mr. mandela greeted them and to their amaizment as my code of honor.
the authorities began treating him as a prison elder statesman. >> you have to understand, nelson mandela grew up in a house of royalty, the king in his village or in the village next to his was where he grew up. so he had a royal bearing. and i think he commanded respect. and he knew that. he didn't throw it around but he used it when it was important. so i think that, you know, during his time in prison, he did in fact begin to -- even though he may not have realized that he would ever get out of prison, but he took the steps that were necessary both with his comrades and the younger ones and older ones to be in a position to rule if that time ever came. i think this was the faith that eventually they would succeed that kept them all going. >> i want to hear you talk about
the reaction you're seeing coming out of south africa to his passing. is the sense of mourning and sense of south africa losing its father figure almost, how universal is your sense is that feeling? are there any still vestages of the old south africa in the reactions or is this a nation that's reconciled and coming together universally to mourn the loss of such a figure? >> they've always been small pockets of resistance and i would suspect even today there are some. there are still some who are locked in the past as we have here in this country. but i don't think that at this point they would raise, rear their ugly heads. i think that the vast majority of south africans are sincerely mourning the loss of their icon. although he has been off the scene for some time, he represents something to south africans, an ideal. i think what we're seeing outside of the house there that
michelle is reporting on is people's aspirations and hopes. in south afterry ka, people don't talk about dead and dying but about him transitioning and they look forward to the time when he right now is becoming an an sester and they revere ancestors and many still go to the graves to take their problems to the ancestors and come away thinking they've been inspired. the troubles in south africa will continue. it's not the rainbow nation he hoped it would be. but it's getting closer. just like in this country, not a perfect union. it's a more perfect union and it will continue to be. i think south africa, has a long way to go but in about ten years, 20 years since our democracy, south africa will be 20 years into its, historically 20 years of a young democracy is just that, 20 years of a young democracy in which that democracy is taking more or less baby steps in its evolution to a
fully grown democracy, democratic system. >> powerful an esester he will be. thank you for your time. the first family will head to south africa next week. and president obama is far from the only dig teary remembering one of the most important icons of our time. >> at one point after he was released from jail the last time, echs asked, aren't you mad? are you going to do something about this, the people who did this to you over these year, don't you want to get even? he simply said, if i would feel that way, i would still be in jail. in other words, the past is the past. i think it's an example to all of what reaching out to others really means. every day we're working to be an even better company - and to keep our commitments. and we've made a big commitment to america. bp supports nearly 250,000 jobs here.
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we've lost one of the most influential and profoundly good human beings that any of us will share time with on this earth. he no longer belongs to us but belongs to the ages. >> that was president obama last night moments after learning that one of his own inspirations, former south african president nelson mandela has passed away at the age of 95. he was consid he was in prison for nearly three decades only to go on to be elected president of south africa in 1994. it is extremely difficult to put a life like that into words but we'll do our best with the help
of a former u.s. ambassador of south africa where she's with president mandela as secretary of state for african affairs when he was at the white house in 2005. and national journalist and chief correspondent to talk about whether anyone could live up to mandela's legacy. ambassador, we mentioned is a visit to the white house in 2005, part of the back story to that visit, he needed a special waiver to get into the country because he was still actually on a terrorist watch list. it wasn't until 2008 that legislation was signed by george w. bush administration until 2008 there was actually legislation to take him off that list. can you tell us why it took so long for that to happen and how he got there in the first place? >> well, it actually took a very long time. president bush and condoleezza rice started that process to get
nelson mandela and comrades off the terror watch list. frankly the nationalization immigration law, once you labeled someone on a terrorist, it's very difficult to take them off. and that did happen as you said in 2008, it took an act of congress. we actually had to pass legislation, condoleezza went to the hill and asked them to pass the legislation and finally president bush signed that law, signed that legislation into law. but today, i understand from many high ranking anc officials homeland security continues to treat some of them as needing a waiver to get into the united states, which is an embarrassment and what secretary rice said today, at the time, we can't allow president mandela, a man of his stature to be continue to be treated as a terrorist by the united states.
we needed to do this and do it before he passed away. but also, we need to honor his memory today by also making sure that homeland security honors of legislation that secretary kerry and for that matter senator obama when they were both senators, helped to pass. so, yes, officially they are off the terror list but the way in which homeland security continues to interpret the laws, they are creating problems for the united states. >> that history is a reminder as we're in a moment of what we call international unity, the foreign policy legacy of everything related to the apartheid regime was divided in this country and many other nations. you look at say the early origins of investment campaign where a young barack obama as a student was involved, many other young idealists and international humanitarians but it was not seen at the time as a way to actually break the
regime. it was seen as first a symbolic step and then got traction. the international program against the apartheid regime was a huge factor. walk us through that. >> that's right. it took a long time to gain motion. it seemed idealistic at the beginning, like many younger obama, i remember taking part myself in the protest on college campuses. and but it gained speed, just because so many people caught onto it. in a sense it was the last really coherent global social protest movement. and of course, it was all rallying around mandela. i can remember very well from those days, free mandela was the great rallying cry as sit-ins and protests were formed on these campuses.
so it really in the end had the impact that it was intended to have, not something you can see about most protests. >> indeed. ambassador, the anti-apartheid movement was global and it helped bring people around the globe into the act of campaigning around racism, not as an abstract thing but something concrete to work together to battle in terms of doing a sit-in, doing divestment or if you're a dock worker refusing to unload products that came from south africa. >> absolutely. and we continue to see that type of global opportunity for social mobilization with injustice. you see it through social media today and other ways in which for instance, the struggle in zimbabwe, where over 3 million refugees are now in south
africa, the dock workers in south africa and in angola refuse to offload chinese arms going into zimbabwe in solidarity. when nelson mandela came to the united states in 1990, he went to many different communities around this country to thank american people, civil society leaders, academics and others, to say thank you for being supportive of the anti-apartheid movement that helped to liberate that country very much in line with the civil society of uprising the anc leadership taking place internally in south africa. >> michael, something you've been writing about, the mantle of great leadership is sort of passed forward from one great leader to the next. do we see a likely successor to the leadership and legacy of nelson mandela? >> no, you really don't see that. you look around the world and i
think in many respects he was the last great sort of world historical leader on a scale of gandhi or churchill or fdr to be with us still living. there really is no one that comes close to his stature. aung sang sue key was kept in burma and there has been controversy other things she had said and done he was really head and shoulders and it wasn't an accident that president obama invoked the words of lincoln's secretary of war when he said, now he belongs to the ages, which was said about lincoln after he died from his assassination -- during his assassination. it really is just the example of mandela that remains. there is no one you can point to and say, this is also a hero for
the world to use president obama's term. >> thank you for joining us. straight ahead, death of nelson mandela is hitting home. >> i think of him quite often. because some of the things he's said to me over the years, be bigger, be better. as best a person as you can be because it does make a difference. ♪ [ male announcer ] playing in the nfl is tough. ♪ doing it with a cold, just not going to happen. ♪ vicks dayquil powerful non-drowsy 6-symptom cold & flu relief. ♪ no matter what city you're playing tomorrow... [ coughs ] [ male announcer ] ...you can't let a cold keep you up tonight. ♪ vicks nyquil powerful nighttime 6-symptom cold & flu relief. ♪ i'm here to say a few words about the power of baking stuff
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>> nelson mandela is a man of e enormous discipline. in everything that he did, represented his values. we talked to both his fellow inmates and his jailers and to a man he moved them all with the strength of his character. >> that was friend of the show, tom brokaw reflecting on nelson mande mandela. a special spin about the impact
he's had on us. i had a huge nelson mandela poster on the wall in college because he was an amazingly inspiring figure in terms of con quering racism. i'll rant about him later but found this quote today, the 27 years he spent in prison were absolutely crucial in mandela's spiritual involvement and difficult to gain in other ways, gave him an authority and credibility that otherwise would have been difficult to attain. no one could challenge his credentials. he proved his commitment andselflessness and had the authority aattractiveness, as with gandhi, mother theresa and the d--
>> one of the qualities was the forgiveness he had shown and it was a personal choice, humility and something inside him i don't know i can fully understand but i can marvel at it. but it was also because he was a prag ma tist, he was about more than obviously simply sounding consistent or looking good. it was also a political philosophy that applied to as he put it ending the enslavement for both the black and white population and forgiveness was essential and there are policies associated including truth and reconciliation commission that is a model around the world. there were policies to back it up and to ensure he didn't come out and set off a cycle of retribution or violence. which is incredibly powerful thing and many historians observed may not have been possible without his leadership in that country. >> incredible. >> you hate to bring hollywood into this and everything and think of invikt us, the moment
in 1995 when you have the rugbb team in south africa, all of the apartheid years, the colors they wore were of white south africa and having their championship match in 1995 and who comes out on the field wearing those colors with the crowd, 77,000 basically all white, nelson mandela. and the scene and power behind that and crowd is chanting his name. not just hollywood. that is a man who genuinely believed this should and could be one nation. and that's the ultimate action to prove it. >> i mean, one quote i was struck by from him, ari, about the forgiveness was he said hating clouds the mind and leaders cannot afford to hate. which speaks to the fact it was both a personal choice and personal attribute and also a
strategy. what i hope that people also take out of this is that when you remember a great leader, you remember them as almost a saint as almost a super hero, someone completely unattainable. i hope we take this moment to look inside ourselves and see the parts of ourselves that are brave and that are courageous and recognize the fact that he was only a man. he is an incredible man. he was a man who did things we could never expect anyone to do. and yet he was only a man and he changed the course of history and that ultimate power resides in that possibility resides within each of us. >> a man who rows to extraordinary circumstances. some of the other news of this friday, calling it the worst ice storm in years. right now it's sliding east and the economic clouds appear to be clearing. lots of cheer in the jobs report. first, the world continues to remember nelson mandela.
>> what i find so special about him is his capability to believe in doing the right thing and then evolving in that direction, showing that people are not born exactly the way they turn out, but the evolutionary process of learning and teaching. nelson mandela really taught us all, much more powerful and useful to forgive. ♪ ♪ i want to spread a little love this year ♪
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arkansas. >> reporter: hey there, ari, getting in front of this storm in the arkansas area. we've seen driving sleet, snow throughout most of the morning and into the afternoon. right now thankfully its let up. can you see for the most part crippled things. a few people getting out but just creeping along. the problem is this slush you see them driving through and a lot of it still ice, is going to refreeze. the temperature only dropping right now and will continue to drop. another problem, there could be another round of snow and ice through the weekend. they don't expect temperatures across the region the central part of the country that's been hit so hard to climb above freezing to maybe late sunday into monday. and right behind that another system looks like it's going to move through and deliver more winter weather. right now in this area alone, more than 40,000 people without power. there are concerns that that number is going to grow as ice
accumulates, it's going a tough go for quite some time into next week. really right across the plains and across the midsection of the country. ari, if i only paid attention in school, maybe listen to my parents, maybe i would be inside with you instead of out here. >> we'd like that but you look good in the outfit. stay safe out there, jay gray, thank you. >> we're going to head inside for the latest track on this big weather storm. chris warren is at the weather channel headquarters in atlanta. >> where jay is we're starting to see things winding down in arkansas. but the purple and pink, that is your winter precipitation, sleet and freezing rain, green is the rain. this is all moving to the northeast. we're watching this. this is the future radar, what we're expecting the radar to look like according to the computer going through time tonight and through tomorrow. you can see the ice moving into west virginia, pennsylvania and overnight tonight into tomorrow. when it's all said and done, the
areas getting the most significant ice here from little rock all the way up from louisville, we're still seeing that come down right now. snow will be an issue with this. we'll watch some of the snow piling up to about 5 to 8 inches when it's all said and done going all the way into the northeast. this again from the first round as jay mentioned, there's another round on the way for the second part of this weekend. >> chris warren, thank you. we're going to turn to the economy. wall street is reacting positively despite today's better than expected jobs report. i say despite because series of positive results could signal it's time to turn the policies. a net gain of 203,000 jobs. the unemployment rate slid to five-year low of 7%. over the past four months, the economy gained an average of more than 200,000 jobs each month. that's up sharply from the previous four months. okay, if it's jobs friday, it times for our dynamic economic
duo, jared bernstein and peter marchi, even you have to feel good about this jobs report. >> i think this is a good jobs report given what we've been through. >> easy, jerry. >> i would like to have more jobs and be around 300,000, 400,000 but i think next year will be even better. so much so i think it is time to start to withdraw the stimulus and start focusing on budgetary priorities in terms of what do we really want to do. what do we really need and worry less about stimulus but more about the fundamentals. we need to rebuild bridges. let's not do that because it's stimulus but because we need bridges. >> i think we've got an optimist in a peter suit. i'm suprprised what i'm hearing from you morici. jared, you have an article talking about the relationship between income inequality and economic growth. let me quote a little bit. in a highly consumption driven
economy such as ours, the upward distribution of growth to those with lower propensities to consume should lead to slower growth. i know you caveat that it's hard to find all of the evidence to prove it but you seem clear that income inequality is bad for economic growth. >> yeah, well, the thing that you just quoted is widely accepted by economists and the idea is simple. it sounds narly but it's simple. the idea is that if you're somebody with a lot of money, you're not very income con strained. if you want something or need something, you have the means to go out and get it. so if we get you an extra dollar, the propensity for you to spend that is pretty low, relative to a middle or low aged worker. inequality which channels growth up to the top of the scale is bad for a growth and 70% consumption economy like ours. it's hard to find evidence for that and there's a lot of reasons for it. one of them has to do with the
wealth effect. housing wealth really boosted the consumption of middle class families for a while but that's behind us. let me say one thing about peter's comments on the jobs report. i agree it's a strong report and i'm glad to see it. it happens to be the case that almost all of the stimulus, at least from the recovery act has been out of the system for a while. if anything there's a great deal of fiscal drag, fiscal head winds pushing against economic growth for a while. >> jared, there's also speculation that the fed may take their foot off the gas and the sort of the quantity take tif easing stimulus they've been doing. number one, do you think they should take their foot off the gas? number two, if they do, who is that going to affect the most? wall street or sort of the working class folks? >> well, that's a great question. a lot to unpack there. i don't think they should taper yet. i think they should wait -- the job market is improving
considerably so. but it's not healed yet. and we've had a bad habit of removing counter cyclecal policy too soon. seeing green chutes through rose colored glasses as i commented earlier. it hurts on the mortgage rate side. they went up a lot when they talked of tapering a lot before and that could affect middle income people. >> peter, one of the most urgent issues facing washington, we've got some news of congress working its way towards the budget deal with the budget deadlines looming and part of the talk emerging now is the question at least, will an extension of unemployment benefits, 1.3 million americans who are due to lose their long term benefits, will an extension of benefits be part of the deal? democrats saying absolutely. what will -- if that doesn't happen and that extension does not go through, 1.3 million people lose those benefits, what will do that do to the next
month's report since you're optimistic? >> i don't think it will affect the growth and economy all that much. it will affect those people a great deal because they won't have that source of income. we need to take a hard look at the long-term unemployed and ask ourselves about discrimination in the job market. i find it difficult to believe a manor woman that worked with a college degree worked for 30 years got laid off at the age of 52 and then because of the nature of the economy was laid off for 18 months or two years, all of a sudden so at trow feed and disqualified that nobody wants to talk to them. we need to have an honest conversation about bias towards not the elderly but older americans that find themselves unemployed. similarly, we're going to have a large batch of people as we come out of this thing for good i hope that graduated from college in the last several years and didn't really get their foot on the ladder. simply there were not enough sort of career type
opportunities for them and they have spent considerable time in graduate programs that have done them little good or at starbucks. i think it's time to start to say, how do we get these people integrated into prosperity. my feeling is no matter who is president three or five years ago or what mr. obama and the congress do, there's a lot of very positive dynamic things going on in the world that really play to america's strengths. just think about the consequences if nothing as fundamental as 3-d printing, good will be the cheap hands in china. it plays in our strengths in many ways, the cheap energy revolution and so forth. i want to see the full scope of american talent and going in other areas that we have to look at the minority population. they really haven't been sucked up into the digital revolution
the way the rest of us have. >> a quick comment and this reflects on what i've been listening to all day on nelson mandela and what an important hero he was. i was thinking about that in the context of the today's jobs report, the black unemployment rate, 12.5%, that's twice that of whites. whites are 6.2. where is it written in law that african-american's unemployment has to be twice that of whites? but it's been that way as long as i've been a -- looked at these numbers. it xbrujust goe me to thinking, taking nothing away from this lost hero, it got me to thinking that his work is obviously not done. >> yeah. >> important words from both of you on unemployment and thinking about bigger issues. up next, our executive producer profrz being the man in charge gives you a long leash. join us monday for a special
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winner of last saturday's up against the clock, hosted by steve kornacki. but emily hiehle of the "washington post" could not with be us today, even though she did win. i will see you in the march tournament of champions. but steve, before we talk about you, i must say, all of us up against the clock viewers have noticed some changes lately. the sports jackets worn by you are both good, but how come the new one? >> well, we actually -- the one on the left there, that eminent domain where the city takes people's property, we tried to apply it to wardrobe issues. so that jacket belongs to nick tusk, a producer on this good show "the cycle". we found this out after five weeks. we couldn't claim nick's sports jacket by eminent domain and were forced to buy a new one. >> going to the supreme court as we speak. we now move on to the tale of two announcers. >> you'll also get to play in
our bone oh bonus round. >> back to you, steve. >> why the new announcer? did you fire bill wolf? >> no, that was bill wolf. >> there was a new one -- >> what happened last week, it being the thanksgiving week and people were, you know -- their turkey hunts ran long, we had to reschedule guests at the last minute and bill was off as family farm or whatever. >> so you're on the record, bill wolf's job is safe. >> oh, well, i mean, i don't want to disthe stand-in either. it came in and was fantastic. >> and finally, a change of restaurants from polish to hot dogs? >> what's the story there? >> we thought we would add a new place into the mix. there you go. the roughs in the greater meadow lands area. >> and why would you ask would i be so interested? on december 14th i am filling on up and against the clock, two contestants have been selected. a fellow named ari from -- toure
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political emancipation. we pledge ourselves to liberate all our people from the continuing bondage of poverty, deprivation, suffering, gender and other discrimination. we succeeded to take our last steps to freedom, in conditions of relative ease. we commit ourselves to the construction of the complete, just and lasting peace. we have triumphed in the effort to implant hope in the press of the millions of our people. we enter into a covenant that shall build society, in which all south africans, both black and white, will be able to walk tall, without any fear in their hearts, or short of their
inalienable right to human dignity. a nation at peace with itself and the world. as a token of this commitment to the renewal of our country, the new interim government of unity, will, as a matter of urgency, address the issue of amnesty for various attacks of our people who are currently serving terms of imprisonment. we dedicate this day to all of the heroes and heroins in this country who sacrificed and surrendered their lives so they could be free. their dreams have become reality. freedom is their word. >> nelson mandela is about revolutionary love. i'm talking about a love so big, it powered a revolution. i'm talking about a love for his enemies, for his oppressors that
is hard to imagine after centuries of oppression. and yet was necessary in order to dismantle apartheid. mandela is also about forgiving your enemies and that act of extraordinary grace reveals a man of super human dignity, whose body came to symbolize moral power beyond that of most who have ever lived. when he was in prison, south africa was in prison. the world ostracized it. and free mandela became a global symbol, but it was abstract. at that point, many people didn't really think he would ever be freed. but it's indom i believe optimism buoyed him. he could have gone home after 13 years, but he refused, and grew larger and more powerful. his sacrifice for his nation speaking volumes, allowing him to cumulate attention and the moral power and financial might from the international divest want movement which provided force that brought apartheid to
an end. that 27 years as prisoner 4664 shows him to be about undying optimism, and unbreakable resilien resilience. and as governor mario cuomo said, the indestructibility of the human spirit. how you can chain a body but can't lock down a spirit that's big and that powerful and that driven by love. thanks for watching "the cycle." up next, a special encore of last night's chris matthews interviewing the president. we'll see you monday. i promised you the president of the united states, and he's here. let's play "hardball."