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which is the right to vote. >> all right. nina turner, we will stay on the story. thank you. and by the way, have a good birthday tomorrow. your birthday tomorrow, ohio state playing a big game against michigan state. i don't know. could be a real big day. could be a big day. >> thank you. >> good luck to you. that's "the ed show." i'm ed shultz. "politicsnation" with reverend al sharpton starts right now. good evening, rev. >> good evening, ed. and thanks to you for tuning in. tonight's lead, obama care plus success equals one massive right wing freakout. president obama's health care law is working. and many on the right just can't handle it. here's what i'm talking about. >> well, nelson mandela stood up against a great injustice and was willing to pay a huge price for that. that's the reason he's mourned today because of that struggle he performed. but you're right.
what he was advocating for was not necessarily the right answer, but he was fighting against some great injustice. and i would make the argument that, you know, we have a great injustice going on in this country with an ever-increasing size of government that is taking over and controlling people's lives. and obama care is front and center in that. >> yes. he just compared fighting the health care law to fighting apartheid. rick santorum doesn't have to like the health care law, but he's a former u.s. senator. does he really think it compares to government-backed racial segregation. but this is the ugliest we've seen from comparing the law that saves lives to hurricane katrina to saying the law was terrorizing the country. and now senator shutdown is also freaking out. >> we were talking a few minutes ago about obama care. and you mentioned it's the law of the land.
if it's the law of the land, the president shouldn't keep ignoring the law. a president under a constitutional system doesn't have the ability to pick and choose which laws to follow and that's the same pattern you see in dictatorial society where it says ignore the law, go with the power of the president instead of the written law. >> the president's a dictator. you know, they're running out of talking points when they turn to fear. and now creepy uncle sam is back. the group backed by billionaires is again trying to scare young people from buying insurance. so why the freakout? because the law is working. 27,000 people enrolled in health care plans through the federal website just on tuesday. 56,000 signed up over three days. and the demand's even higher.
more than 3.7 million people visited the site this week. these are real people who are getting covered. >> helen signed up for the market place wednesday. she's a single mom who's self-employed and putting her daughter through college. >> with my health conditions, diabetes, high blood pressure, this is a game changer. >> two hours online. i went through all of my information and then i clicked the signup button, which i wasn't happy because of the price, but it didn't sign up and i lost all my data and i got to start all over again and finally got through. >> wait a second. who was that last guy? oh, it's senator rand paul. even though he's being cranky that it took a few tries, he's signed up for obama care. senator paul, you're just like speaker boehner now.
congrats. you're both covered. this law is helping more and more people and the right is getting more and more desperate. i have to admit, it's kind of fun to watch. joining me now is congress woman karen bass, democrat from california. and former pennsylvania governor ed rendell. thank you both for being here. >> thanks for having me on. >> our pleasure. >> congresswoman, comparing the right wing fight against obama care to nelson mandela's struggle against apartheid, i mean, what's your reaction? >> well, i just think it's absolutely shameful. i do think you're right in calling it a freakout because they seem to be all over the map. and actually if i was going to make a comparison, i would make the opposite comparison. because i think the struggle for justice which nelson mandela led for so many years is similar and equal to the struggle for health care as a right for people in the richest country in the
world. and so the idea that they would make that comparison in the opposite wait is just tragic. and i really think when the history books are written in this time period, i think republicans of the future are going to be quite embarrassed and shamed by the way the anti-health care campaign is shaping up. >> now, governor, you were a democratic elected governor. how would you assess this week's signups, increased substantially. there seems to be a lot of interesting with a lot of people going to the sites. how would you assess this now that we're at the end of the week? >> i mean, it's been a great week for the aca, there's no question about it. the kinks appear to be out. we're not quite sure about the back end, but i think it looks pretty good. the kinks seem to be out of the system. more and more people driven to it. more and more people are signing up. and the sad part for the republicans is it's only going to get worse for them.
it's only going to get better. as the kinks are totally smoothed out of the system, people will find this bill, they'll find it's like heaven. and for other people they're going to find they've got better plans and they've got the freedom to choose and they can compare and they can shop which we never had the ability to do in america. i think it's going to be more successful each month it passes. so the republicans better find another horse to ride, because they can't ride this one. >> you know, and as the success seems to be more and more obvious that it's beginning to turn that corner toward success, congresswoman, you hear the arguments against the affordable care act and the opposition to the president getting more and more shrill. we heard a lot of ugly talk about health care from the right. georgia's republican insurance commissioner, for example,
recently compared people with pre-existing conditions to reckless drivers. take a listen to this. >> say you're going along and you have a wreck and it's your fault. well, a pre-existing condition would be then you calling up your insurance agent and saying i'd like to get collision insurance coverage on my car. and your insurance agent said, well, you never had that before. why would you want it now? you say, well, i just had a wreck. it was my fault and i want the insurance company to pay to repair my car. and that's the exact same thing on pre-existing insurance. >> now, since the video came out, the commissioner admitted it was a bad analogy. but saying a cancer survivor, congresswoman, getting insured is the same as someone who wrecked their car and then tried to scam an insurance company?
i mean, is this what they think? >> you know what? actually, as a former health care professional, i think he needs to go see his doctor. because frankly, after you hit a certain age, everybody has a pre-existing condition. it's called hypertension, it's called part of the aging process. and so really it reflects either profound ignorance. it was a very silly analogy. but you know what's going on in california, rev. california's doing very, very well. so the republicans here have resorted to creating a fake website that looks like the state website to trick people into getting on a website and hearing negative things, misinformation. the fact that they would go to such lengths to prevent people from getting health care is really quite tragic. >> but, you know, governor, at least one republican is admitting the health care law is helping some people. virginia congressman scott
regal, quote, it's not in dispute that many americans lives are being disrupted in an important way by this law. it is also true that some americans lives have gotten better? yes. and to not acknowledge that is to deny reality. you think we'll hear more of this, governor? >> anywhere close to a purple area of represent a blue area, they're going to have to come out and tell the truth. and what's bad is there are republicans rooting for people to not get help. rooting for this law to fail. and it is true, the point that was made by the congresswoman earlier. we were the only developed nation in this world that didn't have health care as a right for its citizens. the richest country in the world didn't have health care as a right for its citizens. and the republicans are
attacking this law which gives citizens that right. and they have no alternative. it really is a shameful exercise. and they want this law to fail. and they want people to be heard or not to get help. and it's not all republicans. >> that is what's critical, congresswoman, what the governor just said. they want the law to fail. but they don't have a plan of their own. i mean, "the washington post" reports, quote, seven months after first unveiling the kids first bill to fight cancer, cantor has scheduled a floor vote on the measure. if it is that hard to unify the gop around fighting cancer in children, many republican advisers fear that crafting a full alternative to the health care bill will be impossible and merely lead to more divisions. they can't unite around a plan. >> you know, i've been in congress now, i'm in my third year. the mantra when i came in was
repeal and replace. my third year, i have yet to hear anything about a replacement and it's because their core is they don't believe there should be health care coverage for everybody. which for a party that wants to be fiscal conservative is really ignorant. because it's not that people don't get care. it's that people go to the emergency room which is the most expensive type of health care there is. i used to work in the emergency room. and i watched people die because they had to wait until the last minute because they didn't have coverage. and at the end of the day, it cost society way more money. and so it's really a contradiction. >> thank you both for your time tonight. >> thanks for having us. >> our pleasure. coming up, remember when they said obama care would destroy jobs? new job numbers are out. and guess what, the sky is not
falling. plus, gop hypocrisy on nelson mandela. now he's their hero. you may think we've forgotten, but we haven't. and president obama responds to his critics. he's unloading on the republican congress. wait until you hear why he says they should be embarrassed. and we have a major development in that new mexico police stop. news on the officer caught shooting at the van carrying five children. stay with us. people don't have to think about where their electricity comes from. they flip the switch-- and the light comes on. it's our job to make sure that it does. using natural gas this power plant can produce enough energy for about 600,000 homes. generating electricity that's cleaner
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>> premiums are going up, jobs are being lost. >> we're losing jobs because of obama care. we're losing a lot of jobs because of obama care. >> whoops. turns out they're wrong. really, really wrong. today we learned the economy added 203,000 jobs in november. that means 403,000 jobs since the health care exchanges opened in october. the unemployment rate is now down to 7%. that's the lowest in five years. when the bush recession was ravaging the economy, that's why today's news is so important. five years ago, this country was on the brink of financial ruin. between december 2007 and december 2008, economic growth dropped by $143 million. key stocks fell 33%.
and the private sector shed 3.7 million jobs. at the end of the bush years, the private sector was losing jobs month after month. lending and leading to fears of depression. but there wasn't a depression. in fact, president obama's stimulus helped jump start a recovery. we've now had 45 straight months of private sector growth. a remarkable turnaround. republicans were wrong about deregulation about president obama, wrong about the stimulus, and wrong about the minimum wage, unemployment benefits and cuts to the safety net. joining me are jared bernstein and randy weingarten. thank you both for being here. >> jared, i thought obama care
was supposed to be a job killer. what happened here? >> i thought the way you put it was right. they're going to have to go for a new talking point. not only did we add 203,000 jobs last month in november, but if you look over the past 11 months just over the year 2013, we've averaged about 190,000 jobs per month. so the trend of the last couple of months has actually been a lasting one. the unemployment rate fell from 7.3% to 7%. sometimes when we've talked about declining unemployment in recent months, it's been because people left the job market. but not in november. we had people coming into the job market and finding jobs. now, we're not out of the woods. 7% is too high an unemployment rate. i'm sure you would agree with me. but we're certainly headed in the right direction and perhaps at a faster clip than we thought. completely inconsistent with those talking points. >> no doubt about it.
but, you know, randi here's a comparison of private sector jobs. under president bush, we measured his first month in office. under bush the private sector added 156,000 jobs. under president obama, he's now added 3.86 million jobs. now over this weekend fast food workers in 100 cities staged a strike for minimum wage. listen to what they were saying. >> i deserve more respect, more money. i am tired of living in poverty wage. >> it's not right that we've got to live in poverty from paycheck to paycheck and borrow from peter to pay off paul. >> personally i've been doing this for over 16 years. i've raised my two kids working in fast food. and it's a struggle. >> now, when you listen to those
that marched around the country, trying to deal with the jobs on the ground which is why i showed the graph. you see people marching in a hundred cities yesterday. here's what republican congressman joe barton said this week about minimum wage. quote, i think it's outlived its usefulness. it may have been of some value back in the great depression. i would vote to repeal the minimum wage. that's what we're dealing with, randi. >> so, you know, when there's -- i've seen and i've been in washington now awhile, and it really is an evidence-free zone. it doesn't actually matter what the facts are. so maybe, you know, now that the pope has come out against trickle-down against austerity. maybe some of these folks will listen to the pope and to the church. but at the end of the day, what
we know from years of economic basic economics and basic life is that if people have more money in their pockets, if they had more money, they're going to spend more money. they'll spend more money in a small business. they'll spend more money on their kids. they'll spend more money maybe on a vacation. so the more money that people have, the more money they'll spend. so that's how we created the middle class in the first place. so it's not just jobs, but it's good jobs. and so what you see with the fast food workers and what you see with a lot of the parents of kids that come to our public schools is that if you're living paycheck to paycheck or if you need two or three jobs, just to put on the table, you can't do all the other things you need to do for your family. so it just makes common sense. and now we actually have some economic data. let me talk about retirees.
every pensioner, every dollar that a pensioner gets means $2.40 more in economic impact in a community. so raising the minimum wage is good for the person. it's good for the community. it's good for shopkeepers. it's good for their kids. >> it's good for the economy. >> it's good for the economy and the middle class. >> jared, in minimum wage good for the economy? you're the economist of the three of us. >> sure. very much so in the way that randi was just mentioning. obviously if you're in the bottom, say, third of the income scale, the folks who benefit from minimum wage increases, if they get a raise, if their paycheck goes up a bit, sure they're going to spend it and we're a 70% consumption economy. of course it helps in that regard. i wanted to add something to randi's analysis.
it's not just that families will get more money and spend it on things they need. what we saw in the 2000s is that they'll spend more money even if they don't have it and they'll do so through credit. and we have had these massive credit bubbles that have proved to be not only unsustainable but deeply damaging when they bust. so when the economy is growing, if all that growth concentrates at the top, president obama spoke about this eloquently this week. not only is it obviously bad for low income people, but it's unsustainable because it generates. >> on monday you are helping lead a national day of action on public education. tell me about what you're doing. >> just like we're fighting income equality, we have to fight education inequality. and that means the places that have gotten hurt the most by austerity, by privatization, by attesting fixation.
they have come together. parents, community-based organizations particularly in low income neighborhoods with our union to say we need a new direction. we need to reclaim the promise of public education with our solutions for our schools. we need to fix, not close public schools. we need to actually have a fixation on children, not on testing. we need wrap around services to actually mitigate poverty. pre-k, different pathways to graduation. what's happening is it's not just our union talking about it. it's in 60 cities over a hundred groups coming together to say let's together have this new direction to help all of our kids succeed. >> we'll be watching it monday. >> thank you. >> jared bernstein, randi weingarten, thank you for your time tonight. >> thank you. >> thank you. coming up, the right wing hypocrisy on nelson mandela is at epic level. all of a sudden he's they're hero? we've got a history lesson
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spouting this nonsense this week. >> i think the president has decided congress can't challenge me. they can't control me. he will spend money if he decides to, he'll write regulations if he decides to, and he will defy the constitution if he decides to. and we're down to that "i" word. >> he should know this. but he's grabbing as much power as he can. >> it is a long list from this president. an uber-president with no respect or little respect for the constitution itself, sean. >> an uber-president? really? the party responsible for giving us the least productive congress in history wants to blame this president. that makes no sense. and during an interview with msnbc's chris matthews last night, the president unloaded on the gop. >> the big challenge we've got is you've got a faction of the
republican party that sees compromise as a dirty word, that has moved so far to the right that it would be difficult for ronald reagan to win the nomination for the republican party at this point. they've got to be embarrassed because the truth is they've been in charge of the house of representatives one branch of -- or one chamber in one branch of government for a couple years now and they just don't have a lot to show for it. >> republicans should be embarrassed. the president knows we need action, and so do most americans. 69% support increasing the federal minimum wage. 63% favor creating a pathway to citizenship. and 57% said the growing income inequality is a bad thing. americans want action. they want sensible gun control. they want affordable health
care. and on issue after issue, the gop has the ability to work with the president to get things done. it's time for them to stop playing games and get to work. joining me now are angela rye and ryan grim. thank you both for coming on the show tonight. >> thank you. >> thanks for having me. >> angela, let me start with you. what do you make of the president's statement that the republicans should be, quote, embarrassed by their tenure in congress? >> well, i hope he's right. i hope there are many of them that are actually embarrassed. they were elected to do a job, rev, and that is to pass legislation that would ultimately go to the senate or vice versa and be signed into law by the president of the united states. well, they're not hardly getting anything done. and as you mention, they are on track to become the least predictive congress in history. so how do you reconcile that with the job you're setting out
to do? you really can't. so the fact they're calling the president the uber-president and all these other things merely distracts from the fact that they are not doing what they were elected to do. they're not elected to keep a stalemate or to ensure that the president is not successful or accomplish. we've seen in the senate the fact there are so many that they continue to filibuster. that he's not been able to appoint people in key conditions. >> eventually these polls will take hold. they're going to have to do something eventually. >> right. the house republicans probably don't think they have to do anything in the short-term. that's how a lot of members of congress think. they just want to get through that day, through that week and hopefully get re-elected. but you're right. the party that holds the house of representatives agrees with the american people on a host of
issues. in fact, more people voted for democratic candidates than republican candidates in the house of representatives. just because of the way it's structured, republicans still control it. but you're right. that can only hold for so long. >> now, angela, the president also hit back at the fact that screwups get coverage while achievements don't. take a listen. >> when we do things right, they don't get a lot of attention. if we do something that is perceived at least initially as a screwup, it'll be on the nightly news for a week. if we go in after sandy or after the tornadoes in oklahoma or missouri and we're helping a lot of people effectively and quickly and they're getting what they need, nobody hears about that. >> is the problem that a lot of the things that are being done
people just are not hearing enough about it? >> i do think that is in large part the issue. the other issue is that people thrive and love scandal. there's a tv show named after it now. so whatever, you know, is garnering the most attention is what's most negative. it's something salacious and juicy. people don't necessarily want to hear about accomplishments. the white house does a good job of touting how health care will make a difference in communities of color and these other things. why the american jobs act really would have benefitted so many of us, but you don't hear about it because it's not salacious enough. >> now, ryan, in that light, the president's critics have counted him out repeatedly. look at the long list of things that were supposed to take him down. the national journal writes it's a dark time for president obama. his approval ratings are sliding as confidence wanes and his competence and the government's ability to do anything right. i'm talking, of course, of the
2010 bp oil spill. or perhaps hurricane sandy. or maybe the irs controversy. disasters that seemed sure to doom the obama administration, but they suddenly didn't. all of these got widespread long coverage in terms of a lot of plays particularly by the right on these issues. these were the things that were going to bring the president down and people heard it over and over and other again. >> sure. and the president even seems more determined than even a couple years ago. you saw it in his speech that he gave the other day where he highlighted inequality and he challenged republicans to put their ideas forward. but he was isolating on what he sees as the problem. republicans. whereas in the past he would use the term washington. now he's saying well it's not
washington. it's republicans and particularly it's how republicans. the president's in much more of a fighting mood which means writing off the rest of his presidency is going to be dangerous. >> so calling them out by name is something that could be interesting in 2014 midterm election if the president goes directly at them and not washington as a whole as he used to say rhetorically. >> absolutely. at this point, the president is fighting for his legacy. it's not a re-election that he's fighting for. it's about cementing his legacy and covering his accomplishments. aca is major. and just like sydney hoyer pointed out on the house floor the other day, there was the prescription drug deal that had just as many issues. so he's fighting for his legacy and he's got to continue to do that. >> angela rye and ryan grim, thanks for your time and have a great weekend. ahead, a big update to a
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bipartisan affair. with tributes pouring in from both democrats and republicans. but it wasn't always that way. in the 1980s, president reagan labeled mandela's organization the african national congress a terrorist group. and he vetoed a bill calling for mandela's release from prison and imposing sanctions against the apartheid regime in south africa. >> archbishop desmond tutu reacted on a bill that would have imposed tough sanctions on south africa. tutu said mr. reagan would be judged harshly by history. >> he has been and so has members of his party who sided with the apartheid regime. 21 republicans voted against that bill in the senate. 79 republicans against that bill in the house. including dick cheney.
in fact, then-congressman cheney voted against sanctions for south africa at least ten times. during the '80s. but even years later he said he had no regrets. when cheney was running for vice president in 2000, he justified those votes by saying, quote, the african national congress was then viewed as a terrorist organization. i don't have any problems at all with the vote i cast 20 years ago. back then republicans like dick cheney and ronald reagan were on the wrong side of history and on issue after issue today. immigration, gay rights, health care, inequality. republicans are on the wrong side of history once again. joining me now is karen finney. thanks for being here tonight. >> good to be with you. >> karen, this isn't ancient history. as recently as 2003, the right
wing national review magazine was blasting mandela for his, quote, vicious anti-americanism. and his, quote, praise for terrorists. do these conservatives think we've just forgotten what they've said about mandela over the years? >> and i think they've all forgotten history. if i'm not mistaken, he was talking about the iraq war. there was some substance to that and he was not alone in some of the things he was talking about at that time. but as you said, now everybody wants to be on the right side of history. they don't want to talk about the times when gene kirkpatrick tried to block sanctions. >> now, it isn't only in history. last night rick santorum comparing the fight against apartheid with the fight against obama care. and when you see things like this and you look at what nelson
mandela stood for and how they just tried to use mandela now on a analogies that are nowhere remotely alike. and then look at what mandela's political views were. you mentioned iraq, but he imposed economic inequality, opposed iraq war, supported anti-poverty programs. these aren't exactly views that are in line with the current republican party. >> no, they are not. and he also was a supporter if you look at the constitution that was enacted with him, women's rights, gay rights. i mean, they definitely were not in line with him. but, you know, we have to remember our history here as well that there was an expose about groups founded specifically to undermine the anc and to try to boost the image of south africa here in the west. so in terms of history when they -- you've got bill o'reilly saying he was a communist. >> last night. let me show that.
about nelson mandela on fox. nelson mandela, i spent some time in south africa. he was a communist, this man. he was a communist. all right? >> don't you wonder where it was in south africa? it wasn't like he was hanging out in soweto, that bill o'reilly. i'm quite certain. and of course he doesn't understand the complexity of what the communist party in south africa was at the time. they had a short-term similar goal. >> well, let me show you what the head of the republican party rush limbaugh had to say. or let me let you hear it. >> nelson mandela has more in common or had more in common with clarence thomas than he does with barack obama. mandela had much more in common with clarence thomas. and a lot of conservatives. >> i'm not too good on limbaugh
lingo, so could you interpret? >> remember this is the same guy who was attacking the pope. he thinks he understands christianity better than the head of the catholic church. but limbaugh, obviously, this is part of the concerted effort to take down some of our greatest heroes. i think about it this way going back to the santorum comment. if you go back to what the word apartheid means. apartness. it was all about separating and dividing people. that's what this republican party has been about for the last several years. >> and castigating and demonizing people. because on the very same station, the very same day that o'reilly was calling mr. mandela a communist last night, another fox news personality said about president obama on the same network, now, just hours earlier, listen to this. >> more class warfare, more radical wealth redistribution because this is who he is.
he is essentially a statist. he is essentially a socialist. >> socialist, communist. so, i mean, this is almost like talking to sound bites being thrown around purposefully. >> they said the same things about dr. martin luther king jr. we can't judge what the obama presidency will be perceived 20 years from now. my suspicion is that a man that tried to make sure people had access to health care, i don't think they're going to say you know that's a lot like slavery or apartheid. i don't think that's going to be the legend of barack obama that we remember. >> you know, i think that people don't have a sense of how controversial these struggles were and how to fight opposition. i mean, i've been in the civil rights fight for the last several decades. and i remember the beginnings of the fight against apartheid
here. robinson and gray and others who were castigated and attacked for that. and they were able to turn public opinion around. having to fight people like dick cheney and others who are now with these great eulogies on nelson mandela. >> that's right. i think people forget that. when people like you and mary francis berry were in the beginning of that fight, it was demonized and you were attacked for that. and it was not a popular position. and so i think there's a lot about the history that people. he oversimplifies everything. so does rush limbaugh. they don't care about what the facts are. that is here is a man who stood for justice, stood for freedom, stood for equality. we have a president who seems to -- i'm not saying he is nelson mandela, but he seems to be trying to accomplish some of the same things. >> karen finney, well, he's getting called some of the same names. thank you for your time tonight.
there's a major development in that new mexico traffic stop gone wrong. we first brought you the story last month. a mother driving with her five kids in a minivan was pulled over for speeding. she asked to wait, but she disobeyed and drove away. when she was again stopped, chaos ensued. [ screaming ] >> please, please. >> no! no! >> get back! get back! >> get on the ground! get on the ground! get on the ground! get on the ground! get on the ground! get out right now! get out!
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mourning his loss but rejoicing in his legacy. the death of this great man was the top story across the globe. [ speaking in foreign language ] >> president obama will travel to south africa next week to attend the memorial service. there is no doubt nelson mandela was a great man. i was honored to have been in his presence on a few occasions. but i tell you what was striking to me as i studied mandela and thought about him in the last 24 hours. is how he was not afraid to evolve, not afraid to grow. yes, he did 27 years in jail. he didn't serve that time. he had that time serve him. he studied, he strategized, he
grew. he came out a bigger man with a bigger vision than he went in. so did some of the africaners that helped to bring about the end of apartheid. real leaders don't have their causes shrink to their size. real leaders grow and become bigger to the causes that are bigger than them. that's the legacy of nelson mandela. thanks for watching. i'm al sharpton. "hardball" starts right now. the mind of a leader. let's play "hardball." ♪ good evening. i'm chris matthews up in boston. so let me start with this. president obama continues his offense of getting great help from a