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patty murray and also paul ryan to announce the budget deal for 2013. i'm ed shultz. "politicsnation" starts right now. good evening, rev. >> good evening, ed. and thanks to you for tuning in. tonight's lead, republican hypocrisy on the world stage. today leaders from around the world gathered to honor nelson mandela. but instead of celebrating the man, many republicans focused their attention on something else. this hand shake between president obama and cuban president raul castro set the right wing off. senator john mccain led the charge. >> should he not have done it? >> of course not. why should you shake hands with somebody who's keeping americans in prison? i mean, what's the point?
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neville chamberlain shook hands with hitler. >> oh, really, senator mccain? it's almost like you've never shaken hands with any questionable world leaders. wait. what's that on the screen? oh, right. that's you shaking hands with the brutal libyan dictator muammar gadhafi. that looks like you even bowed to him too. and what's this? oh, that's right. you even tweeted about the experience. late evening with colonel gadhafi in libya. interesting meeting with an interesting man. that is interesting. now, isn't it? but back to what you were saying, senator mccain? >> it just gives -- gives raul some propaganda to continue to prop up his dictatorial brutal
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regime. >> was it propaganda when president george w. bush talked oil prices when strolling hand in hand with the saudi leader? gee. they seem pretty chummy. how about the time donald rumsfeld extended a hand shake to saddam hussein. that's a nice, firm hand shake right there. but this is about more than just gop hypocrisy and the party's real leader let it out of the bag today. >> there are a lot of people trying to say ah-ha, it proves president obama is a socialist. we don't need him shaking his hand to know this. >> that's what it's about. that's what this is about. this whole charade is about painting our president as a
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socialist, as the other, as someone who pals around with terrorists. and what makes those attacks so ugly is that today was about something much bigger. it was about celebrating a life that was above that pettiness. >> it took a man like madiba to free not just the prisoner but the jailer as well. to show that you must trust others so that they may trust you. to teach that reconciliation is not a matter of ignoring a cruel past, but a means of confronting it with inclusion and generosity and truth. he changed laws, but he also changed hearts. >> mandela spent 27 years in prison, but was big enough to seat his jailers in the front
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row of his inauguration. today was about remembering a great man. and that's what makes today's attacks on the president seem so small. joining me now are richard wolffe and goldie taylor. thank you both for coming on the show tonight. >> thanks, reverend. >> richard, let me start with you. on a day when we're honoring a man like mandela, don't these attacks seem particularly small? >> well, reverend, they do seem totally small, but there's something worse than that. even if you don't want to respect the message of mandela and what he represents and how the president talked about him today, there's a fundamental misunderstanding i think for someone who is supposed to be serious like john mccain about national security. we shook hands, presidents, great presidents of this country shook hands with even more brutal dictators for the soviet union. fdr was a friend of joe stalin. we were useful when -- ronald
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reagan, john mccain's personal hero shook hands with dictators of the soviet union. so it's wrong on national security. it's wrong when it comes to mandela's legacy. >> well, you know, goldie, president obama today, he actually called out repressive leaders for not tolerating descent. listen to this. >> there are too many people who happily embrace madiba's legacy but passionately resist even modest reforms that would challenge poverty and growing inequality. there are too many leaders who claim solidarity with madiba's struggle for freedom but do not tolerate descent from their own people. >> he was really calling out leaders and calling on the
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values and the principles that mandela stood for, which is the exact opposite of what they were trying to miscast him shaking hands with people that they may question. >> well, that's right, reverend. everything about how this president has reported himself in recent days surrounding the death of nelson mandela is in deep stride with the spirit of nelson mandela. in terms of embracing your enemy with a handshake, in terms of calling them out on a world stage on a soccer field filled with 95,000 people with the entire world watching, with him calling out these rogue nations for their human rights abuses. and so this was in step with the spirit of madiba. i think the president did the right thing. if we're saying we're surprised that the right wing would stand up to make calls about the handshake in their history of hand shaking and bowing and
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being in company of people we don't get along with at the time. that hypocrisy is par for course for some of them. >> you know, richard, mccain went as far as i played talking about chamberlain shaking hands with hitler. i mean, this kind of stuff particularly on a day like this but particularly when the record is clear mccain and others shook hands with people they questioned. and that most americans questioned is ridiculous. and, you know, limbaugh, the head of the party, he said that handshake was really a distraction from something else. listen to this. >> but the drive byes, folks, are literally having orgasms over obama shaking the hand of raul castro. let's go to the audio sound bite to illustrate. again, this is exactly how -- this is not news. they want it to be news.
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and do anything to distract anybody from obama care. >> obama care. so we're distracting from obama care. this is not news. this is a distraction. i mean, this man sets the tone for the republican party and has the unmitigated gall to say that. >> it's unreal, but what on earth does he think the distraction was? was it the gathering of world leaders, that a historic figure over the last hundred years. mandela is one of the rarest of creatures you can say he was a legend. he was a living legend who set a completely different track not just for his country but for the world's leaders. how can that be a distraction? it is -- i don't know who he's trying to fool other than his own audience, of course. but the worrying thing is he is given credence by the party's
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nominal leaders. and then following his lead on this. this is not the first time people have said such and such a news event is a distraction from obama care. i think republicans have to symbolically break from rush limbaugh and say mandela's funeral was a legitimate world event. >> goldie, that's the point. the point is not only the absurdity of what limbaugh says, it's that no matter how absurd he gets, they pay homage to him. they let him set the tone. he has become their voice. and i think that that is what's troubling when you hear him say something like he said today. >> i think what's most troubling to me is that once again republicans have missed a moment. yes, they've send rand paul into detroit in an effort to reach out to african-americans, but
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when a key global iconic figure who happens to be of african descent that the republican right wing cannot stand up and say amen, that this was a good and righteous man, that they would make these kinds of denigrating remarks about him and then our president when he steps on the world stage to celebrate mandela. so this republican party continues to miss moment after moment after moment and then they wonder why their tent is getting smaller and why they can't attract african-americans to their party in any meaningful numbers. >> richard, i also want to be clear, there's a history to republicans doing this. they've done this before. they've done it as often as they could. let me show you some of what they've said about president obama allegedly bowing to these kinds of leaders before. >> this president seems quite willing to embrace weakness as a position for the united states.
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i mean, the bowing and scraping that we see. >> american leaders do not bow to leaders of other countries. and that's a deep bow, too. >> what do you make of bow gate? >> it's not appropriate. >> you see him with the premier of china and he's bowing and his eyes are down. there's something wrong here. >> obama envies these monarchs. obama wants to be bowed to some day. >> yet they bow to the emperor of japan. i just don't get it. but again -- >> and i'd argue they're bowing at the alter of socialism. >> bowing at the alter of socialism. bow gate. bowing and scraping was a term used. i mean, they jump on this all the time. >> well, clearly this president and how proud he is of being president and of this country. but even if you despise the president, you should look back at the record of, say, karl
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rove's former boss. was america stronger when it invaded iraq and earned the rejection of many of its own allies around the world? you don't have to refuse to bow to say that you are weaker in the world. we had a foreign policy that weakened america's position in the world. are we stronger that we have a president who is respected around the world who maintains these formalities. let the record speak for itself. >> since you mentioned the record, when the record has the republican leaders they respect doing all of that. i mean, was it lyndon johnson that went to china and dealt with mao? oh, that was nixon. richard wolffe and goldie taylor, thank you for your time this evening. still ahead, president obama saves the auto industry. the bailout is now one for the history books. so will republicans admit they were wrong?
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breaking news tonight in washington. gop congressman paul ryan and democratic senator patti murray are announcing a federal budget deal. let's listen. >> -- continuing resolutions. this also shows we can work together to get our government
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functioning at its very basic levels. that, we think, is a step in the right direction. that, we think, gives us some confidence. that brings some normalcy back to our government. i want to take a moment to thank senator murray. she's a tough negotiator. she's fought hard for her principles every step of the way. i want to commend her for her work. all will be placed upon our budget websites by the end of the night. with that, i'd like to offer senator murray. >> thank you. well, for far too long here in washington, d.c., compromise has been considered a dirty word. over the past few years, we have lurched from crisis to crisis and from one cliff to the next. when one countdown clock was stopped, it wasn't long before the next was started. that was devastating to our fragile economic recovery. the constant crisis cost us billions of dollars in lost growth and jobs.
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and our sequestration cuts were forcing our families and communities to pay the price. so i am very proud to stand here today with chairman ryan to announce we have broken through the partisanship and the gridlock and reached a bipartisan budget compromise that will prevent a government shutdown in january. our deal puts jobs and economic growth first by rolling back sequestration's harmful cuts to education and medical research and infrastructure investments and defense jobs for the next two years. now, i know there were some people who thought these cuts should continue, but i'm glad we increased these key domestic investments and that we averted the next round of scheduled cuts to military programs, bases, and defense jobs in our country. this deal builds on the $2.5 trillion in deficit reduction we have done since 2011 and continues the precedent we set in the fiscal cliff deal that sequestration shouldn't be
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replaced with spending cuts alone. this bipartisan deal will help millions of american bs who were wondering if they were going to keep paying the price for d.c. dysfunction. from construction projects who were laid off. to the kids who lost spots in head start programs. to the seniors wondering if they were going to have meals on wheels. to the families praying for halted medical research programs to get back to work on a cure and so much more. because of this deal, the budget process can now stop lurching from crisis to crisis. by setting bipartisan spending levels for the next two years, this deal allows committees to proceed under regular order to give them the certainty they need to hire workers and make investments. this isn't the plan i would have written on my own, i'm pretty sure chairman ryan wouldn't have written it on his own. and there are obviously differences between our parties
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when it comes to budget priorities. i'm disappointed we weren't able to close even a single corporate tax loophole. i know many republicans had hoped this would be an opportunity to make some of the changes tho medicare and social security they've advocated for. but congressman ryan have set aside our differences. we've made some compromises and we've worked together to get something done. now, this deal doesn't solve every issue in front of congress. we made a conscience decision as chairman ryan said in the few short weeks we've had to focus on where we can agree and not get bogged down in larger issues that while important are not going to get solved right now. but we need to acknowledge that our nation has serious long-term fiscal and economic challenges this deal doesn't address and our budget process has been broken. many people believe that congress is broken. we have spent years scrambling to fix artificial crises while our debt piles up and the middle class families have depended on
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for generations continues to crumble. we have budget deficits that have improved but they have not disappeared. we know we need comprehensive tax reform. we need comprehensive immigration reform. there is a lot more for congress to do. so this deal doesn't solve all of our problems. but i think it is an important step in helping to heal some of the wounds here in congress. to rebuild some trust and to show that we can do something without a crisis right around the corner. and demonstrate the value in making our government work for the people we represent. so when all this is done, i am very proud to stand with chairman ryan or anyone else who wants to work on this bipartisan foundation to continue addressing our nation's challenges. nothing is easy here, but i know the american people expect nothing less. i want to take a minute to especially thank chairman ryan. he and i do have some major differences.
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we cheer for a different football team. clearly. we catch different fish. we have some differences on policies. but we agree our country needs some certainty and they need to show that we can work together. and i've been very proud to work with him. i also want to thank congressman van hollen who's worked for hard to help make sure this deal reflects what he cares about. and everyone who's been involved on the committee has been working very hard with us to get to this deal. i'm hopeful now we can get this bipartisan deal through the house and then the senate and get home in time for the holidays that i think everybody deserves this year. >> questions? [ inaudible question ] >> that said, what do you say to folks who are realizing the
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agreement compromise -- >> well, look. as a conservative, i think this is a step in the right direction. what am i getting out of this? more deficit reduction. so the deficit will go down more by passing this than if we did nothing. that's point number one. point number two, there are no tax increases here. point number three, we're finally starting to deal with autopilot spending. that mandatory spending that has not been addressed by congress for years. this isn't easy. this is the first divided budget agreement since 1986. the reason we haven't done one is because it's not easy to do. so we know we're not going to get everything we want and she's not going to get everything she wants. [ inaudible question ] i think conservatives should vote for it. i expect we will have a healthy vote. i think we will pass this through the house. we're going to go first given our schedules.
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we will post this on our website this evening and we intend to bring it to the house floor later on this week. i have every reason to expect great support from our caucus because we are keeping our principles. the key here is nobody had to sacrifice their core principles. our principles are don't raise taxes, reduce the deficit. we also have a lot of concerns about defense. the next hit from the sequester was going to hit solely on the military starting in january. a lot of our members were concerned. what we're doing is providing some sequester relief for 2014 and 2015. and we're dealing with more reforms on the side of the ledger and sequester relief which results in that reduction. that's a good deal to me. >> to what extent does this represent the agreement between the two of you versus the agreement that you know you can
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get through both chambers? >> well, i can tell you that i've been in close contact with my leadership and a number of members since we've worked through this issue. i expect that chairman ryan and my job will be the same as we leave here tonight which is to talk to everybody about our deal and to work to get the votes. i'm confident that we won't have 100% of the senate or the house. this is a bipartisan deal. we have both had to move to get to where we are today. but i think what the american people ought to know is that this congress can work, that people can come up together from very different corners and find common ground and bring some certainty back to our jobs and our economy. that is what we have continually focused on. >> to your specific question, we have done this with our leadership team who is in support of this. i've consulted with every chairman who is involved in
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this. so this has been a process. this has been a process where in the house we have consulted with numerous colleagues to get their ideas, to get their input, feedback and support. that's why i'm confident about where we stand in the house. >> joining me now are jared bernstein and dana milbank. dana, a deal. can they sell this deal? >> well, i think they can, rev repd. it's not clear paul ryan can sell it to a majority of his caucus, but they're taking it to the floor anyway. it's something to celebrate in it beats a shutdown. it's not something to celebrate they put aside all the big deals. doing something about tax reform, entitlement. and just said what's a small thing we can agree on in the short-term. >> but they do need to sell it, dana. they need democratic votes to
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even get this out of the house. >> definitely are going to need democratic votes. and i expect democrats will be an easier sell for this because they're replacing some of the sequester. not all of it. they didn't get that far. but the cuts aren't going to be quite as deep as they otherwise would have been. i think democrats are going to say it's better than we had otherwise even though we don't like it. >> it's a narrow deal, jared. because you're dealing with it does reduce the sequester by $65 billion. but nobody got what they wanted on the entitlements. loopholes were not on the table. i mean, break this deal down in terms of what it means, jared. >> well, first of all, one of the things that's going to bring a bunch of house republicans to the table and may make this lift a little bit easier than we think is something paul ryan referenced there which is the deal enables them to stave off
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another $20 billion in cuts to the defense side of the budget. that is because of a kind of peculiarity of the way sequestration works. in 2014 the defense spending caps were going to have to come down another $20 billion. there are a lot of republicans in both houses that didn't like that. as you both mentioned, we're talking about $65 billion less in spending cuts under sequestration. so the spending caps go up that much. now, interestingly, there's another 20 or so billion above that that they're going to apply to deficit reduction. paul ryan saying there's no taxes involved, no tax increases, well there are these fee increases. so it's a little squirrely. there's going to be includesed aviation fees. there's going to be higher contributions for federal workers to their pensions. you can call those fees. for a lot of people, those are going to look a bit like taxes. so i think that's kind of the
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basic breakdown of the two-year deal. i actually, by the way, i like the fact that there's going to be less fiscal head winds on the economy in 2014 and 2015. many democrats would have liked to see extended unemployment insurance in there. that wasn't in the bill. >> let me bring back in richard wolffe. richard, how do they get the votes on this? and are they trying to prove after such a non-productive congress, one of the northeast non-productive congresses in history, that they can make something work? because i noticed senator murray particularly made the point that they made the compromise government could work. >> if government can work means they can avoid a shutdown and pass a basic budget, i guess we should be celebrating them doing the basic part of their job. you know, great. we're going to avoid the crises, the self-imposed crises we've had the last couple years.
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that is, i suppose, good news. paul ryan goes on his long journey of remaking himself compared to where he was with his first budget proposals. for democrats there have got to be serious concerns here about the failure to extend unemployment insurance. and benefits is not a small thing. the idea that this is going to be broken off into a separate negotiation that stands any chance of getting through is a pipe dream. >> all right. well, we're going to be watching it. they do have to sell it. this is not a done deal. thank you to all of my guests. we'll be right back. g. and we're here. to help secure retirements and protect financial futures. to help communities recover and rebuild. for companies going from garage to global. on the ground, in the air, even into space. we repaid every dollar america lent us. and gave america back a profit. we're here to keep our promises. to help you realize a better tomorrow. from the families of aig, happy holidays.
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a move that could drag the gop even further to the right. mr. stockman is one of the top birthers in congress. he says he's also questioned president obama's birth certificate. and he's been throwing around the "i" word. impeachment. >> we want all tools available to use including that impeachment. >> he's so convinced that impeachment's a good idea, he bought up hundreds of copies of the world net daily book "impeachable offenses: the case for removing barack obama from office." and then he gave a copy to every member of congress. when there was a national uproar over this rodeo clown wearing a mask of president obama, congressman stockman invited him to perform in texas. and stockman brought this guy, ted nugent, as one of his guests
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to the state of the union. with that kind of record, stockman's more likely to inspire punchlines than win a senate seat. but primaries like this push republicans to more and more extreme positions. and that's no joke. joining me now are victoria defrances defrancesco soto and dana milbank. thank you both for being here. >> thanks, rev. >> so an impeacher who loves the rodeo clowns, is that what republicans are these days? >> he should be a shoe in for the nomination, don't you think? i'm sure in stockman's head he's saying the more extreme you can be, the more the primary voters are going to like it. i wonder if he's in for a surprise here. maybe this even goes too far. you got to remember, this is his second time in congress. he was actually a street vagrant earlier in his life.
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and he sends out all these bizarre tweets. even these conservative groups say we're not on board with this guy. the ones who are usually launching these primary challenges. and i just wonder if there may be the beginnings of the republican establishment pushing back against these kind of characters saying you guys are dragging us down. john cornyn is the second most conservative republican in the senate. and stockman calls him a liberal. >> but victoria, you're in texas. he's got quite a following down there in texas, doesn't he? >> he absolutely does. he know who steve stockman is. everything in life is relative. i remember the bays when we still had kay bailey hutchison and john cornyn was a conservative senator. now he's being pegged as the liberal senator. steve stockman even though he is well known is going to have problems. because he's not ted cruz. ted cruz came into an open senate seat. he also had the calendar on his
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side. he had a lot of time to run because of all the missteps with the redistricting. he is not ted cruz. he is not going to be able to win that seat. john cornyn has it in check. and the other thing he is going to do is he is going to mobilize the moderate chamber of congress republicans. they're not going to sit on their hands and just let him be. they are going to stand behind john cornyn. so it's going to be an interesting show, but john cornyn will be here for awhile. >> well, the interesting thing, you talked dana, about his tweets. he sent a letter out to his supporters today really going after john cornyn. the letter says, quote, dear patriot, you are in a fox hole fighting to save our constitutional republic. and the last thing you need is a republican bayonet in your back. but that's what liberal john cornyn has been doing to you every day. this is a letter he sent out. now, let me show you how liberal
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john cornyn is. he's got an "a" rating from the national rifle association, 100% score from the national right to life committee, and a 94% from the koch-backed group americans for prosperity. i mean, doesn't sound too liberal to me, dana. >> no. i mean, this is the problem. when you've purged all the moderates out of the party, then they're down to the second most conservati conservative. steve stockman, i think he's confusing crazy for ideology. he says things like chlamydia is more popular than obama care. he says if fetuses were armed, there wouldn't be abortion. this is the sort of thing that people used to even the republican party when he was back in 1995 said this guy's nuts. we don't want anything to do with it. he's become the mainstream among
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a certain sector of house republicans who take him seriously. i have some faith in the voters even in republican primaries in texas that say they don't want this guy representing them. >> but victoria, here's an example of the extremism in the republican party. alabama congressman moe brooks on the health care law. listen to this. >> the democrats right now, they crave something that will distract public attention from the calamity known as obama care. the democrats, they need a shutdown. they need something dramatic, perhaps a war, something. that will deflect public attention from how bad this socialized medicine system is. >> democrats want a war to district from the socialized health care law? how can republicans say something so irresponsible, victoria. and will all of this extremism come home to roost in 2014 in the midterm elections? >> my hunch is that it will. and we saw a little glimmer of
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that in the election in alabama where a moderate republican was able to beat out the more extreme tea party candidate. it might take awhile to see nationwide, but i do think that the tea party doesn't have the strength that it did previously. that being said, it is going to be interesting to see how john cornyn plays this out. because keep in mind, this is the first tea party election he has ever run. and last election he had was 2008. so my fear is that we're going to see some ugly rhetoric. but eventually maybe we're going to see some moderation in 2014 and maybe 2016. >> you know, senator cornyn is one of seven republican senators facing primary challenges. won't the gop tea party's problem continue to grow until they beat it back once and for all, dana? >> yeah. the question is how do you do that? you've got cornyn. you've got mcconnell the senator leader in some difficulty there. you've got thad cochran down in
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mississippi. and the republican senatorial committee is getting heavily involved spending money to fight off these guys. so they're really suffering as a result of this. but i think the incumbent lawmakers have begun to realize the chamber of commerce folks have begun to realize that this is hurting them in the long run. they're going to have to draw that line in the stand. maybe they can do that in 2014. every time you say the tea party is done with, they come back and surprise you. i don't think stockman's the guy, but the tea party is far from dead. >> well, we will wait and see, because i promise you we'll be watching. victoria soto and dana milbank, thank you for your time tonight. >> thanks, reverend. up next, a bombshell surprise from george zimmerman's girlfriend. what it means for the assault case against him. plus an update on the police officer who fired at a minivan
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read and consider it carefully before investing. risk includes possible loss of principal. we're back with a major development in the george zimmerman domestic violence case. it was nearly one month ago george zimmerman was arrested and charged with felony aggravated assault, domestic
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battery, violence, and criminal mischief. after this frantic 911 call from his girlfriend. >> what's going on? >> he's in my housebreaking all my [ bleep ] because i asked him to leave. he has a freaking gun breaking all of my stuff right now. no, this is not -- >> okay. >> i'm doing this again? you just broke my glass table. you just broke my sunglasses and you put your gun in my freaking face and told me to get the [ bleep ] out because this is not your house. no, get out of here. >> after that, zimmerman made his own 911 call denying her allegations. >> were there any weapons involved? >> i have weapons. she has weapons in the house. >> weapons in the house, okay. >> yes. it's her house. she's got a 9 millimeter. i mean, i have my firearm. she was throwing my stuff out and one of the bags was one of my firearms. i never pulled a firearm.
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i never displayed it. when i was packing it, i'm sure she saw it. i mean, we keep it next to the bed. >> but a local orlando reporter revealed zimmerman's girlfriend told him she was afraid of george and felt threatened. but now she's changing her story. zimmerman's lawyer filed a motion to allow contact with the alleged victim with the motion came a signed affidavit from the girlfriend. she says, quote, george never pointed a gun at or toward my face in a threatening manner. she says, quote, i want to be with george. and she says, i do not want george zimmerman charged. but with her affidavit, there are lots of questions. new questions, all kinds of new questions. so joining me now, nbc news legal analyst lisa bloom and
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former prosecutor faith jenkins. thank you both for being here. >> thank you. >> thank you. >> lisa, she says she may have misspoken about certain facts in her statement to police, but we all heard that 911 call. what do you think is going on here? >> well, who do you want to believe? samantha scheibe when she was in the moment where she called the police and she was saying what was happening right at that moment, or samantha scheibe weeks later when she's had time to reflect. perhaps reflect on the fact that she doesn't want to be in the middle of this high-profile legal battle. obviously she has feelings for george zimmerman. she was his girlfriend for four months. they were living together. those feelings don't go away when there is a domestic violence situation if there was one. these cases i practice every day are complicated. and a victim recanting is one of the most common things. it's very frustrating.
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but it's very, very common. now it's happened in this case. >> can the case go forward even though she's recanted, faith? >> that's going to be the ultimate question for prosecutors. as prosecutors we're told early on in domestic violence cases what do you do if the alleged victim decides not to go forward. you get as much evidence as you can. you get as many statements you can so if she's no longer cooperative, you can have objective evidence. the question they'll ask themselves now, can we prove this case without her? or are we going to prove her as a hostile witness and call her anyway? right now they're looking at the evidence to see if they can go forward. in most cases, domestic violence victims often in cases they don't want to continue. >> so this is not unusual. >> it's not unusual. >> lisa, in the affidavit she says, quote, i contacted george's attorney to ask is there any way that the stay away
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order can be lifted so that we can talk and be together. i'm not afraid of george in any manner and i want to be with him. but the national coalition to prevent domestic violence says zimmerman's lawyers' conduct was not appropriate and worries she was manipulated or coerced into recanting. what do you say to that, lisa? >> based on what we know right now, i have to respectfully disagree with the national coalition. because what jane who is a respected criminal defense attorney in that jurisdiction says under oath is that sa ma that scheibe contacted her. and even if jane had reached out to samantha scheibe, there's nothing wrong with that. i reach out to witnesses every day to try to get to the truth, to try to help my client. so i don't see any manipulation. i don't see that. it's possible that happened, but i think that's purely speculative at this point.
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i think the ball's in samantha scheibe's court. she's the one who made allegations. by the way, lying to police is a misdemeanor in florida. she admits that's what she's done. she now has legal jeopardy. >> but isn't it also true that her lawyer could have done this if this was her feeling and try to protect her at the same time, faith? >> well, she could. and i always hear people say, oh, can you prosecute the alleged victim now for lying to the police? and in theory, yes you could. in reality, i rarely see that happen. prosecutors don't want to go after people who they think are victims of domestic violence. look at her history at this point. she says george zimmerman pointed a gun at her. she said prior to that he strangled her. and she's dating a man she knows killed a 17-year-old. this is probably a woman that needs more help than anything.
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>> he's had run ins with the law since trayvon martin. july 28th, warned for speeding in texas. september 3rd, speeding ticket in florida. september 9th, detained after a domestic incident in florida. november 18th, arrested after disturbance call in florida. he keeps getting in trouble. >> yeah. i think it seems pretty clear to most of us watching that george zimmerman's worst enemy is george zimmerman. yet in case after case, he's been the teflon defendant. no charges stick. i suspect this is the first step of some legal maneuvering on his attorney's part that's going to end up with the case being dismissed against him for domestic violence. we all know this is not the end of the story for george zimmerman. there's just too many people accusing him of too much irresponsibility especially with guns. >> lisa bloom and faith jenkins, thank you for your time tonight. >> thanks, al. still ahead, news tonight
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there's a new development in that new mexico traffic stop gone wrong. with first brought you this story last month. a mother driving with her five
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kids in a minivan was pulled over for speeding. she was asked to wait, but disobeyed and drove away. when she was stopped again, chaos ensued. [ screaming ] >> please! please! [ screaming ] >> get back! get back! get on the ground! get on the ground! get on the ground! get on the ground! get on the ground! get out right now! get out! open the [ bleep ] door! >> open the door!
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[ gunshots ] >> the police officer that shot said he was aiming at the rear tire to stop the van. and now we've learned that officer elias montoya has been fired. police did not give specifics. and there's still a lot of details we don't know about this case. but nothing justifies using deadly force on a vehicle with five children inside. we'll keep following this story. my mantra? family first.
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finally tonight, the nelson mandela memorial in south africa. president obama was there with former presidents clinton, bush, and carter. along with former secretary of state hillary clinton. and when the president rose to speak, what an ovation. >> president barack obama.
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[ cheers ] >> thank you. >> the president praised mandela's moral vision and courage. but said the great leader's work is unfinished. >> we know that like south africa, the united states had to overcome centuries of racial. it took people known and unknown to see the dawn of a new day. michelle and i are beneficiaries of that struggle.
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but in america and in south africa and in countries all around the globe, we cannot allow our progress to cloud the fact that our work is not yet done. and so we, too, must act on behalf of justice. we, too, must act on behalf of peace. >> mandela inspired countless people around the world including president obama who spoke from the heart in personal terms. >> it woke me up to my responsibilities to others and to myself and it sent me on an improbable journey that finds me here today. and while i will always fall short of madiba's example, he makes me want to be a better man. he speaks to what's best inside us.
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>> he speaks to what's best inside us. nelson mandela is one of those rare people that does not plot their life based on some career goals. there was no way when he stood up for his country and went to jail sentenced to life that he would know at his funeral, 90 heads of states would be there. you can't plan that career. you can only lose yourself in a bigger cause. thanks for watching. i'm al sharpton. "hardball" starts right now. doubling down on ted cruz. let's play "hardball." ♪ good evening. i'm chris matthews up in new york. let me start with you. better yet, don't get me started. how crazy i

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