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>> welcome to the last word holiday party where we will choose our person of the year and a whole lot more. >> i do solemnly swear. >> my question is who's going to jail. >> yes i have smoked crack cocaine. >> things are on track to go nuclear in the senator. >> the nuclear option. >> this is about obstruction. >> so much obstruction in the united states senate. >> who cares? >> senator ted cruise all for nothing talk-a-thon. >> ashton kutcher. >> green eggs and ham. >> i am your father.
>> excuse us? >> the first time in 17 years the american federal government is shutting down. >> the shut down was so magnificent, run beautifully. i'm so proud of these republicans. >> what the hell? >> let's face it. we've had a problem. >> the site was only designed to handle six users at a time. >> whatever. >> overnight he has become a star. >> there will be political consequences in the future. >> pope francis says gay priests should not be judged. >> this is is a pope that embraces all people. >> the supreme court now pronounces you man and man, wife and wife or man and wife. >> a matter of equal protection. >> an historic morning at the
supreme court. >> joining the party now, the host of now, alex wagner and crystal ball, co-host of the cycle, jonathan kay and thomas roberts, host of msnbc live. let's get right to the first award category, the best political move of the year. alex wagner? >> the best political move of the year i think was not one that was seen widely but was, i think, the most important. the two young women, 13 years old and 15 years old who were
dreamers and came up to speaker john boehner in his dining routine while he was eating breakfa breakfast, one of whom's father had been deported and said speaker boehner, when are you going to take up comprehensive immigration reform and he said i'm going to do it. they put him on the spot and held him accountable. >> crystal? >> i'm a big fan of harry reed finally deciding that we needed to change the rules of the filibuster so that nominees could get through and actually be confirmed and maybe do the work of government as they are meant to do. he is someone who really came around on this issue. originally in the president's administration he was very much opposed to filibuster reform and there was just so much obstruction time and time again that he had to do something, and i think it was a great move. >> can i cheat and do two?
>> of course. >> best political move, democrats for standing firm with each other in the house and the senate and behind the president when it came time to face down republicans with regard to the shut down. for the first time democrats were united. two weeks before the shut down, there were stories in the "new york times" how democrats are in disarray and don't like what's happening, but they stood firm. >> that was also a lot of harry reed behind that strategy. >> and the other i would give to bill deblasio, who allowed his son to do the now famous afro ad, which is pointed to be one of the many turning points that took him from underdog to top of the heap. >> i'm not going to go with two. >> thank you very much. >> but i think that the best political move was chris christie becoming the chair of the rga. it sets him up on a national platform to become more well
known, supporting the republican brand and branding himself in the process. >> that is is a perfect move for chris christie. i have a tie breaker here. i'm going with crystal. i was with harry reid. i got on board with it maybe two weeks before they did it probably right around the same time as harry reid. next category, the worst political move of the year. >> i sort of think this is a fluid ongoing move, which is listening to ted cruz. this man is only out for himself. any republican who thinks otherwise is kidding themselves. he will lead them off a cliff either fiscal or political if they listen to him. >> the way he has led mike lee into disaster in utah.
>> crystal? >> related to ted cruz, heritage action deciding to force the country into a shut down by scoring that vote and making a lot of republicans vote to shut down the government. it was disastrous. they were already wanting to follow ted cruz off the cliff and heritage action just like pushed them right over the last little bit. >> and jonathan, your two worst political moves? >> because i actually do have two. >> no, it's all right. >> come on. worst political move, the staff of the president allowing him to go out there time and time again saying you can -- if you like your insurance you can keep it and also allowing him to go out there and talk about how hlt care.gov, go here you will be able to get insurance and everything will be fine. terrible for the president. the second is the republican party. they put out an autopsy in march that said you must do better with women, african-americans,
gays and lesbians, the youth. what has the republican party done since then? told women, african-americans, gays and lesbians, youth, to go [ bleep ] yourself. >> can i get back on one piece because he's cheating. >> that's my answer. >> is anyone surprised who is cheating at the table? >> the rnc autopsy provided nothing of substance except for what the left has been saying all along. very wise man to my right wrote autopsies are only done on dead things in reference to the republican national party. and they have done nothing in terms of setting themselves up for failure since then. they're against immigration reform or marriage equality or anything to do with a woman's right to choose although they say they need to have the wide sweeping approach to get people back in there has not been a lot
of effort. >> worst political move involving republicans, government shut down. ann coulter said it was a beautiful thing. >> she is alone where no one could hear her speak. >> look what the government shut down cost in terms of polling. it is the bad move of the year. my choice for worst political move of the year is a physical move and we're going to need a physical assist. we're going to show you the worst political move of the year. it occurred in toronto. >> i knew it. let's get -- you're going to see this video. stop. look. that's the move. that's the worst move right there. because as soon as he made the decision to make that move, look what was going to happen next. >> oh. that's a bad political move. that is a very bad move. >> bad move in general.
>> he is very agile. >> and look, he just goes back to where he was coming from. >> hey, don't fall down. >> the slo-mo, freeze frame really drives home the movement. >> when there was a point of an overturn. >> it is just a beautiful moment where you can see that decision being made. and then the commitment to it where he keeps going in that direction. he knocks her down and realizes what am i doing over here anyway? i go back. >> the shortest distance between two points is a straight line. he should have beelined straight over the desks. i think he said his brother was in an altercation, he was trying to get to his brother. >> we could use rob ford video for almost every category tonight. coming up, our guests will predict the rising star of 2014 and we will crown the biggest winner and biggest loser of 2013 coming up.
>> now to the rising star of 2014. alex? >> everybody's going to say wendy davis. >> not everyone. >> some people may and i think she is a rising star but i'm going to hedge my bets and say hassan of iran. i think we will be hearing a lot more from him and he could change the gee owe political balance. >> now you have made my pick seem predictable because i did pick wendy davis. >> we might be able to get a table consensus on wendy davis. let's hear it. >> she launched her career with a filibuster and is running for
governor. even if she doesn't win, which is is a pretty uphill battle, even if she doesn't win that office, i think big things are in her future and she is is a spectacular talent so it will be great to see if she can help nudge people in a bluer direction more rapidly. >> i only have one answer. >> needs more champagne. >> my answer is bill. here is is a person who ran on a very progressive agenda, talked about inequality in new york city. tale of two cities. he got elected. the spotlight will be on him to see whether he can turn that progressive campaign and those ideas into a progressive government that succeeds in the minds of new yorkers. >> what do you think of that? >> look, i think that this is --
>> fuel him up. >> it says a lot. trying to make sure that the establishment of new york doesn't freak out. >> it was a savvy move. >> yes and a smart move. there are not many people in the country who could run the new york city police department. >> thomas roberts. rising political star or star of any kind of 2014. yourself excluded. >> alex got me by saying we couldn't talk about wendy davis. >> i know. >> i did. >> i'm kicked off. >> it's not because she has great hair or a great fashion sense in sneakers. i think she is a tremendous talent and can help maybe push texas to be a little bluer. but i think she is certainly one to watch as a bright future ahead of her. >> i think wendy davis was on or is on all of our lists for rising star but i am going with
bill de blasio. a mayor of new york is always a rising star. >> and the aftro is the third star. >> he is fun to watch and already surprised us with his police commissioner choice and there will be more. up next the best and worst political theater of 2013 and there will be video assists on this one. there will be. absolutely. [ male announcer ] need help keeping your digestive balance in sync?
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>> we are now moving on to the holiday category of best political theater. thomas roberts is now in his third wardrobe change. what i missed is when you went from blue to green for the second segment. but the red, no one is going to miss that. thank you very much. >> he has had more costume changes than diana ross at the super bowl. >> i had this made in russia. >> it's beautiful. >> it's a beautiful thing. so the category is yes. political theater. >> lawrence, you're a show business guy. theater involves costumes. and the best form of theater that i have seen on the political stage in 2013 was rick perry dressing as jonathan
franzen dressing as a beatnik. that man -- no one -- i mean rick berry is just operating with a different set of understanding and values about what you can get by the american people and apparently like clark kent he thinks that just that pair of glasses is enough to convince america that he's actually smart. >> what do you think he is doing? >> awkward. >> when i feel i need to look smart -- >> it's different now. >> i whip out the glasses. that's what they're for. crystal ball? >> alex wagner may not like it but i am also choosing wendy davis for this. >> i like wendy davis. >> what do you have against wendy davis? that's what i don't understand. her filibuster made her a national star. it wasn't about her, it was about blocking a truly awful agreejeous bill that is going to -- that is already hurting women in texas. so people rallied around her
across the country. hundreds of thousands of youtube views watching the streaming video of a filibuster on the floor. it's just incredible. >> it was great. jonathan? >> i'm changing my mind. i'm changing my mind. >> this is like the supreme court and you just heard one of the other justices make a case and you're swayed by an argument? >> he changes his mind more than i change my jackets. >> i'm not swayed by an argument. i was going to say wendy davis -- >> just to be different. >> it's about theater and theater is about make believe and who is all about make believe? senator ted cruz. and you talk about someone who did a real filibuster, he did a faux filibuster on the floor of the senate, yammering on about whatever it was, i can't remember. >> green eggs and ham. >> hitler. >> chamberlain and a whole bunch of other things but it enhance
his stature looking like he was fighting for the regular person when what he was really doing was giving the best performance of his life on behalf of himself. >> he was lying. >> to me it was watching bob mcdonald through the year. >> what a collapse. >> not knowing where the watch came from or where money for his daughter's wedding reception came from or fancy clothes on his wife's back. >> it was an amazing tv series watching him collapse from big star, next republican presidential nominee to is he, does he maybe need a criminal lawyer here? >> all year long we have been seeing this unravel from march until now and now it makes people think okay, where is this money going to? what is the law? virginia and other states that allows this to be acceptable?
>> non-existent. and he's still pretty popular there. nagss nationally he's okay. >> my choice is going to involve a little video exhibition. it's when james lipton brought tina fey back to her glory days. >> same sex marriage, what is your view on that? >> the bible says it's gross. >> how does a woman like you make her way through a man's world? >> i don't think of it as a man's world or a woman's world unless again we're talking about marriage. but i think of it as people being mavericks or not being mavericks. >> you know, i talked ed ted t said no rehearsal. guests don't know what's coming with her. she was just amazing. >> if only she could replace the actual sarah palin.
>> she just lit that up. worst political theater of the year? >> in that cardigan set, i will never forget the pained look on her face and of course the tragedy and unwinding that followed. it was an attempt at solidarity that just disintegrated before our very eyes. >> crystal ball. >> there is nothing wrong with a good cardigan set. the rest of that i agree with that. >> love cardigans and wendy davis. >> indeed. >> i have to disagree with my friend, jonathan. i think the worst theater was the ted cruz foe fiaux filibust throwing his colleagues under the bus and forcing a government shut down. it was terrible. >> the worst political theater?
>> the worst political theater, the nasty protests over the close sures of the war memorials during the shut down which allowed larry to call on the president to put down the koran and come out with his hands out -- i mean up that allowed a young man to unhurl the confederate flag in front of the white house, the home of a black family? that, to me, was the worst political theater i was going to say ever, but that hiyperbolic. >> tomorrow night we're going to do the ever show. >> the ted cruz incident and what it did to the government, but not only that what it brought out in people and the confederate flag showing up, that is not so much theater but tapping into hatred that exists in this country.
theater is what they did with the live mic, we got to talk about this for cnn. hold on, is this on, and then its on the whole time. and they're like this is -- they don't know what they're talking about. come on guys, this isn't your first time at the rodeo and you shouldn't be doing this to our country and let alone it isn't your first time at the rodeo with a hot mic. >> i thought those two didn't like each other. >> there was so much political theater for this category this year with the cruz filibuster, with the rand paul filibuster, with mike lee, it was a hard one. >> he's known as pathetic mike. >> in that crazy filibuster. but it was a very hard list to get down to one and i ended up choosing something from sunday morning tv, which i think is the magic moment of the year from -- there's a video assist coming.
sunday morning tv moment, best political theeater of the year. here it is. >> you said you love kim and think he's awesome, but you will watch him destroy the united states with his record on human rights? >> i didn't look at all of that. understand what he's doing? i don't condone it. i hate the fact that he's doing it. but that's a human being that let's his guard down to me. a friend. i didn't talk about that. >> thank you. thank you. well done. >> anybody want to switch their vote? >> obviously. >> he doesn't condone that. he doesn't condone that. >> he doesn't. >> you don't need to go through a metal detector. >> we're going to come back with the next category, the people we are sorry to see go.
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with myself, michelle bachmann. i almost said some of the worst political theater was michelle bachmann in cairo. accusing the muslim brotherhood of being behind 9/11. those are the kind of things we can no longer look forward to. >> crystal ball? >> in a similar vain, i have to go can kim -- where we can no longer heard his thoughts on sodomy. >> i settled on congress man co agreed to drug test welfare and turned out to be a coke addict.
>> who are you sarry to see go? >> carlos -- >> anthony weinor. >> we're just going to have to assume. >> yes. >> you take carlos's word for it? >> exactly. he's a trust worthy guy. >> wi okay. >> okay. >> he's going to come back as monte lightning rod. >> you're just going to let that one go. >> i'm drinking water, too. i'm drinking water too. >> i need air time between that and mine and you will see why. sorry to see you go, i'm taking the category more seriously and of course nelson mandela, which i think we can all unanimously agree on, that was a great, great loss. the indispensable man. the world would have been so different, our history so different without him. i believe he is the
indispensable man of the 20th century. we could have replaced a lot of other people but not him. i don't want to leave the category without mentioning james gandolphini. he brought so much life to the screen. arguably one of the greatest acting portrayals absolutely in the history of television, no question about it. and i think people all kind of felt they knew him somehow. he was one of those guys. i know a guy like him. there was real accessibility there. we're going to break it there. when we come back, the biggest surprise of 2013. you will be surprised by our choice of surprises. you will. it will be great. huge surprise. very surprising. i'm nathan and i quit smoking with chantix.
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business insider. our next category. joy? biggest surprise of 2013. >> i decided to try to go bipartisan on this one. who among us has not wanted to compliment newt gingrich at some point. maybe none of us have ever wanted to. but when newt and ted cruz both posted warm things of nelson mandela, there is nothing particularly courageous about that. he was a great man. the backlash was tremendous. people on the right went after them as sell-outs to conservati conservatism. they went after mandela as a terrorist and communist and the normal response of people on the right when the base goes after this is to shrink away and apologize but newt gingrich did something surprising and pleasantly so. he came back at those critics and explained to them why he supported even when he was a young congressman,
anti-apartheid measures by the u.s. government. i think we actually have a clip. >> good, let's use that. >> what do you make of this backlash? >> i was very surprised by it. two points are first of all, this very long deep commitment to freedom which i think most of us could identify with. and second that after 27 years in prison, he doesn't come out bitter. he doesn't come out angry. he comes out as an extraordinarily wise man. who actually invites his prison guard to sit in the front row at his inauguration. >> all right. newt gingrich. >> newt gingrich's finest hour of the year. richard? >> i would say actually it's the way thomas roberts stole my tuxedo tonight. >> three. three. >> but actually, the bigger surprise to be honest, is the
way -- botch -- how predictable was it that it was the biggest piece of the second term for this president. but how quickly they fixed it. and having launched a much smaller site although still challenging, i can tell you the fixing it is just as hard as creating it in the first place. an incredible surprise that they turned it around so quickly. obviously, also, how could they screw it up in the first place. >> it was amazing. your biggest surprise? >> immigration reform didn't get a vote in the house and passed the senate, i thought we would have gotten further. >> how could you fall for that? just because they said they were going to do it. >> there was all this conversation even on conservative radio you had on fox news folks saying maybe we should give this immigration reform a try looking at the returns and results of the 2012 campaign, nothing hand at least on the house side. we have to see what happens in
2014, obama is fine with saying maybe not a big bill but a piecemeal bill. >> josh? your biggest surprise of the year? >> arizona governor janua brewe most known for aggressive anti-immigrant stance as one of the biggest supporters of obamacare. she looked at it and said i want to take this. it's the right thing fiscally and the right thing for people in our state and she had to fight very hard against a legislature led by her own party. she said i'm going to veto every bill you send me until you expand medicaid and she did. that at the last minute she cobbled together a coalition of republicans and democrats who are co-aligned and they passed it. and her republicans in legislature called her a traitor and she gave a very calm press conference where she said this
is what we needed to do and we will come back tomorrow and govern the state more. >> it was amazing. especially the verocity she went after this. >> she is is a very underrated political talent. >> i wonder why. does she ever do anything? my biggest surprise is when the so-called irs scandal broke. i said let me read the actual statute. we get it. it's 100 years old and it says that civil leagues or organizes, 501 c-4s, not organized for profit, but must be not organizationed for profit but operated exclusively for the promotion of social welfare and say how can i possibly be doing any of this and we find in 1959 when the law was 48 years old the council at the irs wrote a regulation that basically
changed the word exclusively to primarily. and so they have been running this thing under the regulation, not under the law and every bit of the political fund raising activity that goes on is actually illegal according to the law. i have never seen a regulation written directly opposite the intent of the law. i could drone on and on with this. have another sip. we will come back after the break with our picks for person of the year. ♪ [ mom ] over the years, i've learned how
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cardinal -- i love the pope. >> you didn't care that time got there first? >> imitation is the sincerest form of flattery. time, thank you for copying my ideas. i think the pope has done a great service to the country in that he has provided the most awe t authentic moral force that has put the issue on their heels and forced them to attack the pope. i think he's a clear voice on it and it's a clear voice. it's about the poor and caring for them over riches. >> let's just change this to pope of the year. >> honestly, i couldn't be bothered to finish the sentence so i'm going to go outside the world of politics. >> he would have been so great. >> first time ever.
>> no, really, because when the nra says the only thing that can stop a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun this woman single handedly saved lives and changed the course of that ridiculous debate and showed that the thing that stops a bad guy with a gun is a country with a heart. >> i have the same one. >> remind us of the situation. >> she is a bookkeeper at a high school. it's a suburban school outside of atlanta. a guy comes in and is intending to shoot up the school and she talks to him for minutes on end. she's on the phone with the dispatcher. >> the control room quit moving. they have some of it. let's listen. >> it's going to be all right. i just want you to know that i love you though, okay? i'm proud of you. don't worry about it. we all go through something in
life. all right? okay. guess what michael? my last name is hill. my mom was a hill. >> it was amazing. we're never going to forget that. >> she talked to him about her own story. she tried to commit suicide the year before. she had a terrible divorce. she has a son who she deals with -- >> she's standing there on the phone to 911 and they are hearing her talking to him. we don't hear him. >> we don't hear him but we hear her testifying and ministering to him about her issues. he is off his medication and she completely calms him down and calms the dispatcher down and does an amazing thing. i listen to the tapes when i was at the office and i was crying and wanted to share it with everybody there. >> yeah. josh, your person of the year? >> i'm going to give it to a group. >> oh. >> come on. >> you're cheating. >> turn off his microphone. >> we have gone through three years of not knowing is the
government going to be open or closed tomorrow? and three people are bringing us back to a position of normalcy, patty murray and paul ryan who did what looked impossible and actually struck a budget deal that looks like it will take us through almost two years of non-crisis budget making and janet yellen. she will bring stability in that part of economic policymaking. some people in congress are bringing stability and i'm hopeful this means in 2014 we will see better economic growth and people will get back to work and america will get moving again. >> my choice deserved to be man of the year for many, many many years of his life and he has been at different times. but i'm going back to nelson mandela. this is the last year of his life and the last time he can be mentioned here. i think his influence in his
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>> and we're back with the last word holiday party and the final two categories. biggest lose irof 2013? >> there was so many to choose from. seems like everyone is voting for someone. but i want marco rubio. never have i seen a more spectacular implosion. he was supposed to be the cuban ronald reagan. he was supposed to revolutionize politics. he ran away from his own policy that he not only helped write but was also the face of.
paul ryan is running away with it. ted cruz is now the premier cuban american and he's sort of on the sidelines. >> and that grab -- >> and the water grab. >> that didn't help. >> rich wolf, biggest loser of the year? >> i'm tempted to say these were the biggest losers because this is the obamacare haters. the health care site was just ready to fail completely. this was last chance where they can stop this train wreck and they got it fixed and then people started to get better health care and all of those individual stories that they grabbed on to and said look, someone didn't get health care, it turned out to be untrue. i am afraid they are like the people fighting the second world war on a lost island somewhere in the pacific. they will still be there but health care would have moved on? >> i have got to say the republican party. they came into this year, obviously looking back 2012,
they wanted to rebrand, they had a big roll out of rebranding efforts. it didn't really work in the very active and powerful branch. people like ted cruz very much had a more boisterous and in some ways a more successful year in terms of wrestling the identity of the republican party and now next year you will see all of these challengers, primary challengers to republican party establishment figures so it's going to be an interesting year. >> josh, biggest one. >> we missed the obvious one, which is canada. >> it did. >> the thing canada always has going for it is classier. everyone up here has health care. but then rob ford came down from the north to make us feel better
about ourselves here in the united states. >> he did. >> good for us, bad for canada. >> who attacks canada? >> rob ford. >> my biggest loser is a big thing here. it's american democracy. first of all you have got the united states senate, represents land not people. two per state. and then this attack on voting rights that is relentless, non-stop, the supreme court doing their bit on the voting rights act itself. this was a bad year for democracy in this country. there is plenty of things we can do to try to fight back. and we would. on to final category, biggest winner of 2013. >> i went with the kentucky governor, the hero of the democratic party. he got health care right, he got the roll out well. kentucky is doing very well and he is rolling over divided
government to implement the medicaid expansion as well as the state exchanges which are actually doing very well. connect is the most successful one outside of california. democrats are looking to him to see how to get the policy right. >> biggest winner? >> i was going to be sincere and talk about the families that got health care that didn't before but in the spirit of this plastic glass, i want to stay political and stay hillary clinton. this world has been so dysfunctional this year. she may well go on to higher peaks in terms of next year and 16 and everything else but right now being off stage, having done what she has done, people are yearning for a return to when politics look competent. hillary clinton. >> i'm going to go a little bit outside of politics but stay in this building. kate mckenin to who is is a
"saturday night live" player who played kathleen sabilias in that hilarious skit. she will probably play hillary clinton because "saturday night live" has a specific place in the culture. it very much solidifies a sort of the image that politicians have. you saw that tina fey played sarah palin. will ferrell played bush in the same way. i think kate is fantastic. she's got such a great future in this rebuilding year of snl, she is very much a part of the forefront. >> we're going to roll the names of -- we're going to roll the credits of people who work on this show and make it happen. a lot of people think i do it by myself and it's not true. i'm going to prove it to you by rolling credits. josh? >> chris christie. he's just doing something so
opposite from what the rest of the party is doing. pl republicans are running towards their base, alienating the senter and losing elects. chris christie found a way to attract independent voters, a large chunk of democrats. it's a blueprint for the rest of the party that can make republicans come back if they're willing to listen to him about how to do it. >> my biggest winner, the cub scout pack at the sixth avenue baptist church in birmingham, alabama. 14 cub scouts gave me this check for the k.i.n.d. fund, amazing work they worked all year at it. and thank you everybody for all the work you did this year making this show easy for me to do. coming on looking smart. i need that. thank you very much. happy new year. >> happy new year!
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