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and counter. this is my favorite, duct-taping everything. >> maybe not every day. i love this one. thisit with clamps. i use a tongue depressor to keep my lights on my old jetta for about a year and a half. "morning joe" starts right now. this is not the tone that i've set over the last four years in this building. it's not the environment i've worked so hard to achieve. >> intimidation, that is not the tone. >> i'm governor. can you just shut up for a second? >> no, no, that's not it. try that one. >> did i stay on topic? are you stupid? >> no, not yet.
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just haven't found it yet. >> let me tell you something. after you graduate from law school, you conduct yourself like that in a courtroom, your rear-end is going to get thrown in jail, idiot. >> we're getting there. >> [ bleep ]. >> okay? >> that's what it is! >> i think i finally figured out the tone he set. fu-sharp. >> all right. good morning, everyone. it is friday, january 10th. welcome to "morning joe." with us on the set, we have msnbc contributor mike barnicle. how long are you going to last this morning? >> depends on him. >> yeah. you don't leave your jacket in the chair and never come back. >> yeah. >> washington anchor for bbc world news, katty kay.
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donny deutsche. in washington, former chairman of the republican national committee michael steele with one artistic tie. i like it! i like it a lot. >> thank you. >> mika, tell me, what did you think about yesterday? how did he do? >> the one thing i think counters to the narrative i've been hearing that i feel is that he went out there, he made a statement, and a lot of people in a situation like that that looks that bad would say, thank you very much, no questions. and i think what i really liked a lot about it and a lot of people didn't, they call it the never ending news conference is that he sat there and answered every question and while some of those answers might have raised new questions, he is offering to answer those as well as the information comes out, but i think he did really very well. i'm also friends with him, so i don't know if my bias as a
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friend might have seeped into that a little bit. we all know this, but i thought i'd put it out there, but i liked it. what did you think? >> well, i thought he did as well as he could do under the circumstances. i said yesterday that this was -- could have been terrible for his presidential prospects but it was also an incredible opportunity, depending on how he responded to it. and he responded for it, given the circumstances, as well as anybody i could think of could respond to it. let me say he responded to a situation like that better than anybody else on the national stage could have responded to it. there are a few problems out there. >> definitely some questions. >> a lot of questions. you know, i was with john heilemann last night at the neil young concert. >> was it usawesome? >> where was the concert? >> he walked out and he had six
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guitars around him in a circle and a banjo and three pianos and it was just him. one guitar. played "old man" to another guitar that he used when with he played "ohio." to another guitar when he played "harvest." great stories and lots of fun and incredible video. you know, i don't think i would have gotten out on a cold january night for springsteen. i love springsteen but i don't know if i would have gone to the meadowlands on a cold night when you have to wake up as early as we do, but heilemann said neil young is going to be at carnegie hall. his voice was as good as it was in 1971, '72. >> the audience, who was in the audience? >> if i could say this despite
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john heilemann beds tasides tak out on the rail. is there a shot i took last night of it. the audience was "morning joe" viewers. in fact, i nudged him and i said, turn around and look. >> our age, about 30? >> yes, advertisers, 35. >> the average 35 to 44. >> the average were was the type of people you would expect to come out on a cold january night. >> the acoustics at carnegie hall, no place better. >> it was unbelievable. >> what did heilemann say? >> heilemann was stoned so he said if you believe this and you believe this and you believe this and you believe this and you believe this, there were all sort of counterintuitive and
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pretty much all night. then you believe chris christie. a lot of tough arguments against him. i am inclined to believe him but there are problems for him. the first problem to suggest is the guy had people he couldn't trust. i can't imagine those people, i can't imagine people doing that in my office over four terms. i just can't imagine. even on small things, people knew. >> how do i say this careful? >> people knew -- i was a big believer of people coming in and i had people that could tell me no all the time but i can't even fathom somebody doing something -- that is problem one. problem two, and other people have commented on this before, no republicans came to his defense yesterday. no conservatives came out swinging for him. everybody was quiet. everybody was muted.
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>> i don't think anybody could at that point. >> no, they could. >> people came out in defense of barack obama after the irs version when he handled it so much worse than chris christie did and benghazi. you name scandal after scandal and democrats lined up even on the nsa stuff. yeah. no, they could have come out. why don't we ask my fellow republican michael steele. the silence was deafening. that is a tough way to get into a presidential campaign. >> it's a tough way to get in and you're right. actually, disappointing. because i think, you know, regardless of how republicans of whatever stripe view chris christie at this point, i think there are some voices out there that could have been raised in support of the way he came out, the way he took this straight on, looked america in the eye,
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looked certainly the folks of new jersey in the eye and spoke honestly at least as we know honesty at this point. >> you're saying people didn't come out after he spoke? >> no. i'm saying people didn't come out before he spoke. >> before he spoke, right. >> i didn't hear a whole lot of people coming out strongly after he spoke. >> right. >> there are a lot of governors who are national figures. he runs the governors associations. >> nikki haley did. >> did reince priebus come out? i didn't see it. katty, did you hear any? >> the only one i heard coming out was nikki haley. it was kind of a stunning silence. in terms of crisis management 101, he read the textbook and he followed the rules of it.
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you can qible with some of the self-referencing and whether there was about the people of ft. lee who had to endure the traffic jams. i think it still does raise questions about at least the competence and the caliber of the people he chose to surround himself with and the tone that was allowed to permeate his office. for some reason, the people in his office thought this was okay. >> not for some reason, not for some reason. >> some reason. >> you mentioned yesterday, joe, culture. >> i agree. >> i ran a business for 25 years, okay? thousands of people. and i had energy and outer circle people. there was a way of doing business that people understood that i set the table. it is incomprehensive that somebody for me would behave that way. we did some good, some bad. that doesn't happen
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inorganically. whether he knew this incident or not, this is the way christie does business. not acting -- i don't know this incident and admire him as a politician and he did great yesterday, we know that. this stains because people feel that. his whole bit about being the crusading bully every time he leans forward now with that attitude, it doesn't work the way it used to be because this is in the back of people's heads. this is bad. this is really, really -- this is abusive. it's worse than being caught with a prostitute i really mean that because this isn't abuse of power that affects me, the voter. >> is this as bad as the irs scandal that barack obama basically just sort of brushed off? i think if we are going to be critical of chris christie, we have to be critical of a culture in washington, d.c. where barack obama has allowed one scandal after another to break and then say, oh, i didn't know anything about it and lois lerner is a
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great example. if we go after the culture we have to go after the culture of barack obama who with has one scandal after another scandal after another scandal hit and he says the same thing every time. i had no idea about it. nobody ever pays. lois lerner, after chris christie -- what is worse, shutting down a couple of lanes on the george washington bridge we said is horrific, or having somebody in your administration personally target for possible criminal investigation, political opponents and political enemies? in that case, barack obama said, oh, i had absolutely no idea that any of this came on. then let lois lerner stay on and then let her take the fifth, then let lois lerner retire with benefits and everything else. that is a culture too, isn't it? >> it is a culture. one would have to say somebody running a country, the various departments, various, i mean, sprawling almost unending -- >> you have 65,000 people.
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>> no, no, no. no! it's the same thing. you don't give presidents a free pass! i'm saying it's the same thing. we hire presidents to be able to do that to make sure that everybody phone records aren't tapped and we hire presidents to make sure that the irs doesn't make political attacks. we hire the proceeesident to ma sure our phones aren't tapped and we hire presidents to make sure when ambassadors ask for extra security in dangerous countries where wars just ended they get the security so they don't get killed and dragged through the streets. that's why we hire presidents to do this kind of work. i'm not making this about barack obama but if we talk about chris christie's culture and you say it's worse than prostitution i can find you something worse than prostitution if that is your level. >> i talked to him yesterday for
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15 minutes. >> who is that? >> to chris christie. >> i thought you were talking about a prostitute. how is he doing? >> he's having a hard time. he is really sad and horrified. >> when did you talk to him? >> right on his way to ft. lee. >> after the press conference. what did he say about the length of the press conference? >> he said when he got off the podium, he did not know how much time had gone by because he was going to answer every question and nothing to hide. some things he can't answer until he knows more. but he wanted to put himself out there. now the new york reporters they did not hold back and coddle him like maybe president obama would have during the way. one more point to the press conference and then back to the conversation. obama said he didn't know about it but he didn't do what chris christie did which is to say i'm responsible and i don't know what i did in my office and i've got to do a lot of soul searching. >> to fix it. >> to figure out why people felt they could dodge. i thought that was extremely --
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>> have you ever had barack obama say that ever, mika? have you ever heard barack obama say that? >> no. >> barack obama never takes responsibility. i've got to say that was one of the positive things about chris christie yesterday. mike barnicle, a lot of problems, a lot of problems ahead for chris christie and a lot of questions asked. >> a lot of problems ahead for chris christie immediately. >> democrats are going to be jumping on chris christie and take ago look at their own -- >> we are talking about the irs scandal. would we be talking about this bridge closure three months from now? that is going to define chris christie. then he has got real problems. look. yesterday at the end of the day, he was better off than he was at the beginning of the day. for standing up there for two hours and answering the questions. what happened is clearly, i agree with you in a sense, campaigns are mirror reflections
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of candidates the way offices are conducted is a reflection of whoever is head of the office i believe that. bridget kelly is key in this. if bridget kelly at any point says the governor asked me to do this, he is done. he is absolutely done. but on the other hand, he stood there for two hours and repeatedly said the same thing with a consistent line, if he is lying about any of this. >> it's over. >> he is mentally ill because he stood there for two hours. >> and he is done. >> my question to you, you've spoken to him. you spoke to him yesterday afternoon. did you get the sense that he is at all self-reflective about the issue that donny raised? >> yes. >> you people conduct themselves because you think i like this kind of thing. >> here is the part i think i can disclose because he said it somewhat in the news conference. he agrees that his tone in the beginning of all this was totally stupid and that he has
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to learn from it and take allegations seriously. i think what really is a growing pain because he is so exploded on to the scene and became a big player nationally that sometimes your staff doesn't grow with you and they get too big for their britches. donny, has anyone in their life gotten too big for their breeches and gone rogue and you had to fire them? the answer is probably yes. >> they did not -- >> can i say one thing on that, donny, though? let's say you were -- >> i'm not saying that is what happened. >> if you weren't in advertising, right? one year. >> right. >> and then you were the next year, you had to hire a hundred people because you were a national, you went from nothing to being a national figure and then three or four years later, people were asking you to have the biggest, you know, advertising firm in the world like chris christie's, the arc
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of his success has grown so fast. >> this woman has been with him five years and this wasn't a new hire i can't control it. i want to go back to the tone. the very thing made him so appealing and unusual and different is polarizing is in your face i don't want to use the bullying word that is the negative side it, i don't hold back. the problem he has got now, that was his biggest weapon. as he continues to carry it out, it now automatically has that, if you will, stain where, oh, wait the thing i used to like about you now when you behave that way, wait a second. are you purely a bully? >> i think mika's question is right. does he learn from this experience? if you listen to the endless press conference yesterday, he seems to be suggesting during the course of that that he realized there was a culture problem and realizes there was a tone problem and now he is going to address it. let's listen. >> this is not the tone that i've set over the last four years in this building.
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it's not the environment i've worked so hard to achieve. there is this kind of reputation out there of me being a micro manager. i'm not. i have worked for the last 12 years in public life developing a reputation for honesty and directness and blunt talk. >> the culture through your administration, your campaign that allowed people think it was okay to intimidate or retaliate against people? >> i know who i am and i'm not that person. listen. it's easy for people to be characterized in public life based upon their personality and i have a very direct, blunt personality and i understand why somebody would characterize that as bullying but it's not that. >> people say this reveals you are a political bully, that your style is payback. are you and does this compromise
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your ability to serve? >> no. i'm not. listen. -- bean bag and everybody in the country who engaged in politics knows that but on the other hand, that is very different from saying that, you know, someone is a bully. i am who i am but i am not a bully. >> a lot of reasons why we like him in the beginning about that. do you agree with donny did the culture issue? >> i've just got to say from my own personal experience i do and it's a question of culture that he has to do a reset there. i'll give you a small example in washington that my entire staff noticed but i had no idea. i was sitting in my office. somebody came to the office, need to talk to joe, i heard the voice through the door. the receptionist said please wait. he said, i'm not going to wait and he goes, get me a diet coke. he opens the door and comes in. it's, you know, it's a friend who i was shocked when i saw who came through the door. he sat down and he started
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talking business. i stopped and i said, what are you doing? he said, what do you mean? i said, we don't treat each other that way here. i want you to go out and i want you to apologize to my reception and get your own damn diet coke and we will sit down and talk and he looked absolutely floored. he walked out and said, very sorry i was rude. could you tell me where the diet cokes are? >> you were congressman. >> what is that? no, it was a fellow congressman, but -- >> got it. >> but that's the way we did it in our office. we were a family and, again, you go. if you wnt into this guy's office who was a friend of mine but i guarantee you it would have been a different culture. >> he is the person that sets the tone? >> sets the tone every single day. >> 100%. >> i will tell you on "morning joe." everybody wakes up in the middle of the night. we have ungodly hours.
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we do more with less people working on our team than anybody else. >> greatest team ever. >> hey, joe? >> what? i'm talking here! >> i'm going to go to michael. >> i'm sorry. i thought it was alex who was in my ear and going to do the jump. t.j., shut up! t.j. can tell you this too. t.j. has been here for ten, 11 years and never once in my office, never once in mika's office and never once in our team's office has anybody ever said that's not my job. actually, one person did that and we won't mention, but over the past seven years one person that came in that always said cya memos and always attacked other people. they lasted for about three weeks. it's a culture. >> it is. i want to hear more about it. michael steele, jump in and then i'm going to ask donny a question. >> i want to dovetail on joe's point about the culture in the
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office. that's going to be a real telling point going forward as well. to on donny's point as well because you're going to have stories now that are going to come from third parties that have been either inflicted by this culture or somehow had experience with this culture that has grown up around christie -- >> you saw what gary erickson said about his staff and him. >> that is where i was going. >> without saying the word, what did erickson say about him? what did he call him? >> it wasn't nice. >> he also said they were divas. i think he said an a dash hole culture. >> i've never been to his office. go ahead. >> i think that that is really to donny's point how this can be the thread that continues to unwind as more and more folks
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begin to feel freed up to talk about this culture over the last four or five years. and how he handles this going forward, i think, will say a lot more about the new christie. >> right. >> in this environment than anything else. >> mika, imagine two weeks from now, a teacher is asking where his kid goes to school and he barks at the teacher and says, "it's none of your business!" something that came in your face. that is going to blow up in his face. >> that's what i'm going to ask you. i'm reading one of the lead lines of the two "the new york times" front page stories on it. by the end of an extraordinary and exhaustive 107-minute news conference, chris christie had transformed himself from a belligerent chief executive famed for his detractors into a father figure and verging on tears. the bravado it vanished and the thing is when you know him personally you see that other side, the vulnerable side or
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whatever. >> he's an absolutely great guy. >> yeah. he does have a problem here because of what you just said in terms of how he goes on. >> but it was interesting. i didn't see that as much. did you notice -- no, you talk. you don't talk. which is fine. >> what he would say is i'm still governor. >> i actually like that. >> i do too! >> what i liked about it was he going to sit there' be cowed. at the end of the day. >> is still governor. >> -- is going to win the presidency if he runs and everything goes right and he stays chris christie. people want that guy. >> but exactly your point. he has as to that i that way because who is he but he rubs a different way now. >> did you like him? >> i don't think he rubs a different way if he gets past this. >> i thought it was a little self-absorbed. there was too much about chris christie and not enough about the people -- >> i want to mention how there was a culture in your office, joe, was great for your office but not great for another office down the corridor and take that
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to the united states. a culture in trenton might work fine in trenton but does that culture work in south carolina or iowa or on other states he has to take over which he doesn't do not necessarily well people of other states. >> it appeared a little self-absorbed you said. wasn't the press conference about chris christie and chris christie only? >> yeah. but should the press conference also been about i'm thinking about people -- a little bit more. >> two of the questions. does you or anyone else here or michael in washington, do you think there is potential for a rebound in this popularity based upon people not liking the media going after him constantly the next two or three weeks almost every day? >> no, the media should be doing this. >> no, no. they absolutely should be.
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>> he knows that. >> but will we go overboard? >> no. it's a real story. >> if i can just say, yesterday, when you get a sense of going overboard here as far as going a little too long, i famously remember when we started talking about clam bakes on the hamptons. i knew at that point the alarm had gone off in my head we had gone too far. i think we have gone too far here today. yesterday felt right. we kept talking about chris christie can't be chris christie, he can't. he is at a horrible fact pattern in front of him. he clears it up and cleans it out. fountain facts all come out. >> i don't think we have gone too far. this is so fascinating. >> i'm talking about -- >> but there is potential. there is potential. >> i think this morning. we're at 26 after the hour. there is a lot of other news out there. >> that's true. >> i usually say that. >> i think we hyperanalyzed this
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morning and i think three months from now, no, i don't think democrats are going to try to new jersey and they have a right to do that to drag it out as long as they can but, no, i don't think a year from now, people are going to say he can't run for on president because his people shut down two lanes. >> it's not about the two lanes. it is about what does this say about him. >> right so fix the culture. this is a great -- what do politicians always say? a great learning moment or a good whatever? >> he used that word on the phone yesterday for himself. coming up on "morning joe," former new york rare rudy giuliani and senator chris coons and david axelrod and david gregory will join the show. you're watching "morning joe." we will be right back. there's a saying around here,
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washington times, 72 high risk detainees in a prison in afghanistan will be relieved despite calls from the u.s. to keep them behind bars. president hamid karzai says there is not enough to hold them without a trial. u.s. officials say they do have sufficient evidence and the prisoners are, quote, dangerous taliban militants. the move comes as two nations continue to negotiate a long-term security agreement. >> the "usa today." a diplomat in the center of an uproar is no longer in the u.s. and left the country yesterday after indicted for underpaying her nanny and lying on the nanny's visa application. the nypd treatment of the diplomat created a major controversy in india and she reportedly was subjected to -- >> to cavity and strip searches. she didn't like that and
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♪ i tell you what, i love the chiefs. sentimental favorite for me. i'm pulling for the saints. love the saints. i think the eagles are going to win it, though. >> i pick the bengals because i used to love watching them in the snow in 1970 against the steelers. i wanted to go with the niners but i think the packers are going to do it. you have the two teams that won the super bowl last year. >> that is uawesome! 0 for 4, joe. >> i will clean out my purse. you guys are also wrong. >> you guys going 1-3. most of the guys around the table would say the same thing i was. >> we were all so close to being 4-0. >> did you pick the chargers? >> i did. that was my one win.
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>> you picked the chargers? >> yes. >> they are dangerous. >> they are dangerous. >> don't act like you know what you're talking about. because you don't. >> listen. this is all on record, folks. >> you guys are a mess. we have eight teams and four games and three licenses to ignore your children this weekend. i talk the seahawks. >> i love the saints. i'll take the saints. go ahead. >> i'm afraid. i love the saints but i think the seahawks are going to do it. >> that is some sort of -- >> saints. >> saints for joe. >> who are you going to believe? >> seahawks. >> seahawks. >> everyone is picking them. they are probably they and the 49ers the best teams out there. 49ers at the panthers. i saw the patriots play the panthers. their defense is for real but i think the niners are the best team in the nfl right now. >> panthers. i love kim newton. >> cam. it's cam. >> it's cam, not kim.
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>> kim. >> did you say kim? >> kim. >> are you guys really going to be the experts here after that? >> i love kim too. i'm going with the 49ers. >> 49ers. i actually think the 49ers are going to the super bowl. >> 49ers on the road. >> nice. we are all agreeing. the chargers at the broncos. this is the one, again, that this could be the one upset but i'm still taking the broncos because i think they have to go further. >> chargers. they beat the broncos at home this year. it's going to happen again. >> whoa! she has done her research. >> i've been looking for this hairspray. are you guys really going to -- you guys really going to comment after that little intro there where you all looked just ridiculous? . it's not that big a deal. it's sports. stop getting so obsessed. >> alex, my guess you were talking to mika in her ear with this whole pretending i'm cleaning out my purse. >> do i ever listen to alex?
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>> no, you don't. >> i can't deny i said anything to mika in this segment. >> it must have been john tower. >> are we saying that the chargers beat? >> they did. >> at home. >> wrap this up. have to get to must reads. >> finish up with the patriots. >> donny, you going with the broncos? >> broncos. >> patriots and colts? >> she is giving out chocolates now. >> what are you getting? >> i can't go against the patriots. >> mika? >> colts. andrew luck. i mean, come on. >> really? talking in her ear! >> this one is going to be close. >> you think luck is going to beat john mackie? what do you think? >> i think she is going 4-0. >> i'm going with the patriots. >> i don't like them but i have to go with the pats. >> patriots. >> if you didn't pick the pats. i have a question for you
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quickly. 6-year-old boy loves football. should i let him stay up and how late should i let him stay up for? >> watch the whole game and stip school. >> we are 7:30, lights out. >> it's not a school night on saturday night. >> saturday night. >> the whole game? >> yes. it's special. but tomorrow night, 7:15. >> it's a disaster! >> what are you talking about? are you colonel klink? let the inmates roam a little bit! >> if i was colonel klink, i would let him stay up. >> i've been looking for these. >> how many? >> 63. >> look at them now. >> they are in jail but they will be out soon. still ahead on "morning joe," former new york mayor rudy giuliani will join us and we will ask him about chris christie's scandal and what he thinks about the new mayor of his city.
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♪ this violation was hard given how much christie cares for his staff. >> it's been written a lot over the last couple of days about what a tight-knit staff i have and how closely everyone works together and that is true. that we're family. >> yes and when someone in your family lies to you, you fire them. that's what di when my 6-year-old claimed to have brushed his teeth! don't come to me for a reference, judas! his mother was right. we should not have named him that. >> all right. with us now, chief white house
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correspondent for politicpolitie allen here with the "morning playbook." we have a must read from peggy newton. read in a second. one of the lead stories is inside look, mike, at christie aide david wildstein. tell us about it. >> yeah. our reporter alex worked for him back in the day when he was on the website -- worked on the website politicker and now alex covers senate and house races for us. he said that david was a very odd wasp, that he would stare at you when he was asking you questions. big guy. loud around the office. and what it showed was this was someone who has played all sorts of games in politics and before
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he got into the christie inner circle, also played a little bit on the journalistic side which is why he should have been able to see part of what was coming. so much this was foreseeable for those people who were involved and we see the threads on the sweater continuing to be pulled. democrats and the legislature of new jersey advised reporters last night that thousands of more pages of george washington bridge documents will be posted on the web this morning and giving people plenty to work on through the weekend keeping the story going. >> let me read from peggy noonon on the "the wall street journal" how christie ended up in this jam. christie acquitted himself well in the bridgegate news conference and emerged undead. he said he had no knowledge or involvement in the apparent scheme by his political operatives to revenge on a new jersey mayor who refused to back him in the 2013 election. instead of leaving the podium at the end of his statement, he
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stayed for a barrage of questions. the appearance went almost two hours. you can make mistakes, lose your focus and poise when you let the press exhaust itself asking questions of you, it took guts and brains to pull it off. he made some mistakes. there was a lot of i and me even for a modern politician. it was reminiscent of president obama's sighing a few months ago when he had been burned by the rollout of obamacare. actually american got burned. if he than the "morning joe" governor ever faced a barrage of questions. >> is that fair? >> i felt that way. i felt like -- i liked that he took every question. everyone thought it was very sel self-indullingent. the complainant about christie before that news conference where was he and why wasn't he answering questions? so he got to the bottom of it,
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so he says, he and put it out there there. >> the question goes back to what is going on there? >> mike, you said it when you said if there is anything he said in the press yesterday that was not true, "it's over." >> for two reasons. he would have been proven to be a liar and, two, he would have been proven to be mentally ill yesterday for standing there two hours and repeating the same story. do you think, mike, that the governor standing there for two hours, no matter what he said or what people take from it, his fate now is somewhat in other people's hands? the david wildstein's, the bridget kelly's. if they indicate they said something to him verbally before the bridge fiasco, he can't control his fate at this point.
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>> no, mike, that's a great point. when you have a federal investigation going on, political loyalty goes away. you're worried about saving yourself. >> right. >> you can both throw other people under and you can throw out things that otherwise you might have kept to yourself. so that's why the long running nature of this is going to be o frustrating for chris christie as he tries to do his work, as he tries to get around the country. the self-indulgent part of the press conference came later so most people will hear his clean, clear message at the top. the apology, the firing and humiliating and those are the people he is most worried about. so the press conference came across as a net plus for him even though there were some people who said that podium he had looked a little like a jury box. >> oh, my! mike allen, great to see you.
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>> that was great. >> i loved it. >> coming up, former mayor of new york city, rudy giuliani will join us. up next, our political analyst, chuck todd and david axelrod and david gregory. don't go away. we will be right back.   
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i take this action today because it's my job. i am sad to report to the people of new jersey that we fell short. we fell short of the expectations that we have created over the last four years. ultimately, i am responsible for what happens under my watch. i was blindsided yesterday morning. it is heart breaking to me that i wasn't told the truth. i'm a very loyal guy and i expect loyalty in return. it makes me ask about me what did i do wrong to have these folks think it was okay to lie to me? and there is leave soul searching that goes around with this. >> i think that's what you're talking about, katty. examining the culture and that is important. >> if he can come out of this
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and change the way he operates so that the people in his office never again think that it's okay to act like this, then he will learn something that will stand him in good stead. he could come out of this a stronger candidate. >> he didn't say what did i do that would allow people to think that they could do this act. >> he just said that. >> no. what did i think they could do to lie to me. he was the victim. replay the tape. what did i do wrong that would let people think that it was okay to do this thing and close the bridge and affect lives. what did i do to let people think they could lie to me? that's a big difference. he is the victim there. that is a huge difference. >> michael steele in washington. >> it's a big difference to wear suits like that. >> you got something better than that? >> that's all i got. >> we have from washington host of the "daily rundown" chuck todd and in chicago director of the university of chicago
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institute of politics and msnbc contributor, david axelrod. >> chuck todd, a lot to digest yesterday. what is your take? >> well, look. i think as long as -- everybody said it this way. as long as everything he said is true and there is no smoking gun that he ordered the code red, to borrow a phrase, then this is a survivable thing for him, but there is sort of some larger things that i've noticed yesterday that i think that will show that this could be just a very rough year for him. number one, he's a man on an island." boy, is he. >> how few republicans -- yes, how few republicans -- you know, this is sort of the price maybe that he is paying for, you know, being comfortable beating up conservatives. it doesn't seem a lot of republicans willing to rally
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around him. that's number one. >> other than nikki haley who came out yesterday which katty said, the guy is the head of the republicans governors association. how many republican governors rushed to his defense? i'm stunned. >> it's cricket. the other part much this, look. he has run his political operation. he's an aggressive ambitious politician and as you know, joe, politics are very competitive industry. >> yeah. >> i think there are a lot more people that are his piers and competitors on who are happy today saying, hey, look who got his come uppin's. rather than thinking this is bad for the party. one of the party stars is in trouble, how do we help him? he is not getting that kind of epathy this morning. he is down, i get to pass him on the track. >> an unknown gop operative said
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chris christie got way ahead of his supply lines, that it was presidential candidacy fueled on headlines, not a lot of personal relationships. sort of a lone wolf out there. i think we saw the consequences of that and if he is self-aware, david, politically, he probably needs to go around and start patting a lot of people on the backs and playing the game a little bit more, wouldn't you think? >> yeah. well, i think the whole point of his taking the republican governors association chairmanship was to give him an opportunity to do that. he hadn't had that opportunity yet. so there weren't those close relationships that you guys are talking about. i want to go back to what donny deutsche said. i really think it's important. i thought he was very good yesterday in his press conference. i thought he handled it about as well as could be handled. but the one thing thank you he
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missed was that very question. he did not say, i have to ask myself did i create a culture that somehow sent a signal that this was okay, okay to do. >> i think he did say that, david. >> no, no, he didn't. he said did i send a signal, as donny pointed out, did i send a signal that caused them to lie to me? in fact, he got asked a question later in the press conference, he got asked specifically is it because of your take no prisoner style that this happened? he said, no. go and look at the tape. because i was watching. to me, if i were advising him just as a clinical matter, i would say, that goes to the core and you need to acknowledge that there was something amiss in your office if someone as close to this woman was to him could take that action and think that he would think it was all right. and he didn't do that. i think that was a missed opportunity for him. >> i agree. i do think is there a distinction between saying i think it was wrong that there
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was a culture in my office that allowed people to lie to me, and i think it was wrong that there was a culture in my office that allowed people to use traffic jams as a political retribution. two distinct issues. >> not only is he burying the lead but tremendous point of view also and narcissistic. how did i think people could lie to me? >> michael steele, do you agree? >> i do. i think what was vault him to that reality will be when others start talking about their culture and how they have experienced that culture. other elected official in new jersey. other republicans in the party start speaking to that. that won't involve a lie, it will evolve a relationship and it will involve how you treat people and that, i think, will come back and really force christie to look at how he sets the tone versus how people come
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and lie or don't lie to him, but how he makes them be -- respond to him in a way that i think will hopefully help him down the road. >> david axelrod and donnie deutsche and mike barnicle, katy kay, you know the press. how many of you know the u.s. attorney and the fbi are going to be teaming up and starting an investigation into something that happened in your office? how many of you would subject yourself to a two-hour news conference and feel confident? >> let's stop giving him kudos for that! >> i'm not! >> he is a smart politician. what is he going to do? run away? >> donny, you would have a statement and leave the room. >> no, i wouldn't. are we giving him kudos because he took all of the questions from the press? give me a break. >> i think it's a sign that he is confident in what he is saying. >> i think it's a sign that he in christie land and i'm going to do the way i do it. >> no, to mike barnicle's point. a lot of people are focusing on the words governor christie used to deny the allegations that they didn't leave him much
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wiggle room because he was there for two hours saying a lot. take a listen. >> involvement in this issue in its planning or its execution and i am stunned by the stupidity that was shown here. i first found out about it after it was over and even then, what i was told was that it was traffic study and there was no evidence to the contrary until yesterday. that was brought to my attention or anybody else's attention. i have absolutely nothing to hide and i have not given any instruction to anyone yet but my instructions to everybody is to cooperate and answer questions. >> mike barnicle, say it again. >> well, look. first of all, yesterday, for chris christie, that was not the beginning of the end. that was the end of the beginning because it's going to
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continue. what he did yesterday for two hours is what he had to do given who he is and given who we think he is based upon his public opinion. he had to stand there for two, three, four hours however long it took to take all of those questions. his fate now, we said this earlier, is in the hands of others because what we just showed on that clip -- i just found about this yesterday or the day before, if one of his aides said i mentioned it to the governor the day it happened off the day after it happened and i said, hey, what about that yesterday in ft. lee and he said, that was pretty good, he is done. >> that's right. >> i want to go back to him saying he was victimized and lied to. never once did he heartfelt say, you know, those people that sat there for four hours and those people who ranging from the ambulances that couldn't get through, i'm heart broken about
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this. he was heart broken that he was lied to. there is a tremendous distinction. i think if you rewatch it again and relens it that way, that shows you something about this man and it shows you something about the culture an even if there is not that ultimate silver bullet smoking gun, there's smoke. >> let me go to michael steele. does it make a difference that he went to ft. lee? >> i think it does. i think it says that he is going to confront the diversity. there are not a lot of politicians do two hours in front of the press and drive 70 miles to the heart of the matter, if you will, and confront the residents even when the mayor said i don't want the governor to come here and he backed that down and received christie's visit. i think that that says a lot about this man and i agree with donny, there is a lot there about the culture but there is
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also a great window of opportunity for chris christie here to repackage himself i think will help in long term. >> joining us from washington is the moderator of "meet the press" david gregory. if you could continue the conversation. >> to both of you, chuck and david, my reading of this is what has been one of his greatest calling cards? governor christie is crisis management and that helped him during hurricane sandy and the aftermath and of course, spending time with president obama. i think he knows he is being judged on kris managemecrisis m right now. . david axelrod you made the point judging his 2016 prospects is too early at this particular point even though it's a deching
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moment. >> defining moment. >> i agree he was great in his press conference. i think he handled it as well as he could. to your point, david, it was classic crisis management but for the one exception i named. but it was sort of death by fire and death by hanging. he had to stand up there and respond given the close to the aid and nature of this and if it turns out to be something other than he said, he is gone. that would be true whether he held a press conference or not. he did what he had to do. i think if it turns out that there wasn't a connection to him, you know, and he can navigate this path. three years is a long time and if it looks like he was forthright. i thought he looked good in that press conference. if you were uninitiated and you were just watching that press conference you would say here is a guy standing up and taking responsibility and admitting faults. i think that he can survive this but it all depends on the fact pattern that develops from this point on. >> chuck, there is a federal
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inquiry and statehouse inquiry that goes on and press trail and media trail will continue. the core question if you can't prove he was directly involved and that is his statement and that is where the evidence is right now, it's still this cultural question. how is it he presided over a rogue operation that got very high in his operation and didn't know anything about that and did that operation move forward because they thought that is ultimately something the boss would approve of? >> not only that and why he is going to have a miserable year. it's survivable but it's miserable because you're going to have political opponents, you're going to have the press and they are not just looking at ft. lee and not just look at the mayor that didn't endorse and the retribution. what did the democratics mayors that did endorse, did they get extra special favors? there is all of these sort of little nooks and crannies. he looks weak so if people -- when people feared chris christie, if they had a criticism of it, they kept it
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quiet. well, now right now, he seems politically weak and any political enemy he made wanted to keep their mouth shut to save their own hide might feel more comfortable chg out if they didn't like a way they were treated by his staff. that soot part of this that is going to have a feel of a drip, drip, for him a little bit because, you know, jersey politics is rough and tumble. you know, i think you're going to see a little bit of that. the biggest thing he lost yesterday in many ways he sort of lost sort of the gee whiz virginity of presidential politics in this ways. the thing he lost the most he came across like another politician. you know, that's what -- he was different. he is supposed to be -- whatever you want to call the different is, the point of chris christie was he had this description he is different, he's not like the rest of them. well, he is playing petty politics and that sounds like the rest of them. >> chuck, i don't often disagree with you but i happened to watch
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part of the press conference yesterday accompanied by someone who has nothing to do with politics. young guy was more interested in baseball than he is in politics. we were watching. after about 20 minutes of watching it silently, the guy turns to me and says, you know, like this guy. he has answered all of the questions and they keep answering him the same thing you'd expect everyone to hear but his takeaway was, i like this guy. he is telling the truth. we will find out. >> wasn't that chris christie at his most humble? >> oh, sure. >> the chris christie we saw in the press conference yesterday -- i agree a big distinction between the fact he is saying i didn't like the culture because people lied to me as opposed i didn't like the culture that allowed to this abusive power. if he can maintain that tone, that's a very different person from the chris christie we have seen the last few years an i think chris christie we have known the last few years might play in trenton. whether it plays so well in iowa is a very big question. >> he did contrition very big.
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>> you don't have to have it very big. >> right. he wanted -- no one intended but he wanted to be written about that he basically stayed there for hours to take every question and then he made a big show of going to ft. lee. he wanted to really take his routes and i think to mike's point, i think that is why a lot of people -- even if they are really turned off politics and politicians, saying, you got to -- a stand-up move by this guy. >> a lot of people after chris christie's press conference yesterday and this morning saying, he did everything he had to do. did everything by the book. why don't you explain? you know better than anybody else around here that, yeah, there are a lot of things politicians should do and a lot of ways they can do things by the book. there's a lot of ways they can clean things up. it is almost impossible to get them past their ego and get them past their personal failings and their political failings to get them to actually do what they are supposed to do. i thought in that respect, the
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fact i was looking at it, and i'm sure you were looking at it and saying, okay, the guy did exactly what he had to do and now we sit here and wait. i think that in and of itself speaks of a political agility that very few politicians on the national stage have. >> i think the good and bad were on display yesterday. the story itself reflected, i do think reflects a political culture. i say it's charming to flip someone off in bayon but they don't like it in klikluk. making that transition from new jersey politics and national politics and he is aggressive. to chuck's point there are going to be other permtations here about legislators who experience the christie treatment or treatment from his staff and more the reason he should have acknowledged in that press conference that maybe was there a culture problem in his office, maybe there was something he needs to address in himself. maybe he was sending the wrong signals because that would be an
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answer to the things that are already surely going to roll out even if he was innocent of any involvement in this particular scheme. so i think he missed an opportunity there. generally, i agree with what you said and mike said. as a clinical matter, it was a very, very strong performance on his part. >> very strong performance. in fact, he is going to have a good possibility of going to the national stage because, katty, we were talking about people that can't recover from these sort of episodes and he may be able to do it. >> yeah. if he can change the tone and change the culture and change the isolation he is in. what we did see yesterday was something we have been talking about. he doesn't have a lot of fans out there. not a lot of loyalty and part of the same package. >> here is the brand conundrum he is in. you say he has to change the tone but that is the thing that got him here. >> there is a difference -- >> you can get things done and not be seen as somebody that
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alienated. >> you have public and private. you've got your public tone and quite frankly we come out here and we are on tv and then you've got the culture in the office when we go back to the office. >> i'll say it again -- >> he has to worry about the culture in his office and doesn't need to change -- >> no, no, no, no. we sat around this table when he barked at a teacher and he is right to say it's none of your business where my kids go to school. does he that same thing next week? it's very different recourse. >> where i totally sgrooe with you. i think the reason why the kid that was next to mike barnicle liked him yesterday was because he said to the press, guys, hey, hey, this isn't how we do it around here. one at a time. and you watch. you watch the extremists on the left that overreach and go crazy. >> watch him scream at a teacher again. >> they are going to end up, the people on the left that are too extreme and go after him and end up helping his cause out. we have done it on the right, you know, time and time again. >> at the risk of everybody on
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the panel perhaps yelling at me, i'd like to just mention one little thing you mentioned it right at the top of the last hour. there are other things going on. >> in the world. >> marines who fought in fallujah and lost lives, 2004 and 2005 over a hundred marines are killed and fallujah is back seemingly in the hands of al qaeda. we should think about those things. >> we are getting to those things next block alex tells us. david gregory thank you and chuck as well. david axelrod, greatly appreciate you being here. coming up, unemployment benefits hit a snag in the senate and update from senator chris coons. you're watching "morning joe." we are brewed by whoever we want to be brewed by. right now, it's dunkin' donuts. i love dunkin' donuts! ♪ i got to know [ male announcer ] if you can clear a crowd but not your nasal congestion, you may be muddling through allergies.
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gallagher. >> hi. >> shall we continue? about what? no. alex is yelling. we were talking about neil young. >> love him. >> the guy's voice. >> i'm so jealous. >> unbelievable. >> unemployment insurance? >> joe was talking about the average age was 31 which i find amazing. >> the average age last night was 31. it was the "morning joe" audience. >> i grew up on judy blue eyes in the back seat of my parents car and sang it all the time. >> it's just amazing. the guy, last night's performance whether it was "helple "helpless" or "harvest moon." >> i love that. >> we can talk about iraq and
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unemployment insurance instead of chris christie and what alex just screamed in my ear. >> are re going to be able to find offsets to pay for unemployment insurance? >> this was bipartisan for a long time and frankly to me it's embarrassing that the senate of the united states can't find a responsible path forward to extend a hand to those jobless americans who continue seeking work. unemployment benefit insurance is a critical part of our safety net and keeps a roof over your head and food on the table for the 1.3 million who lost the federal portion of unemployment insurance recently. we should be able to come together and find a way -- >> they think we should pay for it and 17 trillion in debt and should extend these benefits but also pay for it. >> part of the disagreement this week the extension and whether to pay for it by extending the long-term cuts of the sequester or other short term cuts. my hope when we get back next week -- >> you think we can get a deal whether it's three months or a
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deal where it's paid for? >> we ended last year with a bipartisan budget deal that gave us interested in the congress working some real hope. i am optimistic when we look in the faces of americans who are job seekers and whose families depend on this that we can do right by them and we can find a responsible path forward. >> lee, how much longer do we have to -- i mean, this is the long-term unemployment situation is just terrible. how much longer are we going to be talking about this? >> a long time, i think. it is terrible. >> is this the new normal? >> i hope not. but it appears that way. it's funny. last month we had this great jobs number and interesting to see what happens an hour from now, because this will really tell is that going to sustain itself? the one number ticked up in a bad way was the long-term unemployed and crept up even though other number was pretty good. >> who is the long-term unemployed? >> is it six months or more?
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it's not even -- it's not people that have never had a job. it's the people that are suffering the most that are having the hardest time because they might have had successful careers and just gotten marginalized or outsourced or whatever. you could fall off for any reason. like your friend the other day. >> he is coming back on today. >> it's exactly that. >> talking about that, mika. >> this is dwayne and his book "reset" which has just come out. i wrote the intro to it. he was in public relations and communications for 25, 30 years. >> at a high level. >> at a high level. >> of fortune 5 hundred company. >> he has now got a whole new platform. reset your future. he's an expert now in how to survive unemployment because he was unemployed for so long. >> a lot of these people are long-term unemployed as you know, senator. dwayne, 49 years old and he has been working, never been unemployed his entire life. suddenly, boom, he turns 49 and he gets fired.
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>> and there are no jobs. >> there are no jobs. >> he gets laid off through no fault of his own. >> let's be clear. the folks like dwayne, he is paid into the unemployment insurance system his whole working life. he probably got a wife and family. many of the long-term unemployed in their later 40s and early 50s and they need not just unemployment insurance but we need a surge in the war on poverty. we need a renewed focus on a pro growth economy we are investing in skills and infrastructure and manufacturing in a way that creates real opportunity. if we try to fight over the minimum wage and unemployment insurance we are fighting over the basics, but we need an expanded ambition for our country. >> sorry, go ahead. >> no, go ahead. >> there is little disagreement among economists about this. long-term unemployment insurance, it doesn't create jobs. it doesn't create skills that are training workers but it helps the people -- >> and you're paying into it.
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>> you're right. the long term impacts aren't great other than there is a slight stimulative effect by it, but long -- if we talk about long-term challenges, we have got to have job training. we have got to make sure that these people figure out a way to get back to work. >> we have 16,000 dow. one of the reasons is that is almost a sad flip side of that book in dwayne that you have these corporations downsizing, getting rid of middle management to get these great quarterly numbers and get their profit up but the irony or sad tale of it is the people are not getting back into the job market. until we reinvest. >> look at that. the dow at 16,444. dare i say without being a populace here, there are a lot of dwayne's sitting at home
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because companies have figured out how to make a lot more money by employing a lot less people. senator? >> we have had huge gains in manufacturing and manufacturing is reorganize back but most of that has gone to the bottom lines of corporations rather than to putting people back to work. >> people aren't making 35 dollars an hour but $16 an hour doing the same jobs where they would have been making double and having great benefits just ten years ago. >> but i'm convinced there is a real moment of opportunity here for us to come together in a bipartisan way to do the things we can do to strengthen skills and strengthen exports and strengthen research. we have grown more than 600,000 manufacturing jobs the last three years, and those can be strong jobs for the future. if you look at germany and how they do in relation to europe as a manufacturing company, we can take that role for much of the rest of the world but it requires good policy and it requires us getting past short-term politics. >> lee?
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>> i mean, this is very topical right now, because a new moment on both sides to talk about the war on poverty, income and equality and social mobility. this is like what hem lines and what everyone is talking about. this is going to be, i think, or do you think this is one of the tests is this just discourse or will the rubber hit the road and will people be able to go the distance? i mean, this is maybe the first test of this new world order we are seeing in terms of what people are talking about. >> at the 50th anniversary of president johnson's announcement of the war on poverty, i've been struck, disappointed that a number of my colleagues are saying it was an ab secretaject. it created headstart and medicare and medicaid and programs broadly successful and supporting and other less successful projects have been taken away. we need to renew a focus on improving the minimum wage and
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building a competitive economy that grows the middle class. the reason for my focus on manufacturing is those are good jobs for the long term and if we don't come together and focus on that, i don't see how we get folks who are long-term unemployed back -- >> the challenge for the republican party and the democratic party and all politicians the next ten years figure out how we move forward with a new economy. a economy not based in he post-war america and not based on what is good for general motors and good for america and an economy that is competitive across the globe and that moves us into the 21st century. we can talk about government programs all we want. the federal government can certainly help. ike proved that. but we have got to figure out how to attach our conservative message to people who are struggling out there like liberals have to do the same thing. i don't see either side making much progress on that and talking about the things the
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senator is talking about right now which is building a new american economy. >> that is the key point, the new american economy and how do we fit those individuals who are at home unemployed for the last two years or three years or perhaps more who are trying to refit themselves into this economy and so to the senator's point, i would agree, you know, while you can say that the war on poverty was not ab abject failure it did create a great deal of dependency and that is the balancing act how do you see going forward, given where a lot of republicans are generally with a lot of these programs, you had this opening with the paul ryan's of the world talking about poverty and really in a policy way, in an authentic way, how do you begin to marry that legislatively so that to joe's point, we can begin to create a pathway for those folks who want to be a part of this new economy. >> all right. senator, thank you so much for
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>> myself and my wife feel very accepted that they actually truly want to help. >> the first contact, the thing that came to mind was hope springs eternal. so that anything that you thought when i engage with my adviser, i realize that anything is possible. >> various testimonials about the nonprofit organization lift. here with us now is the cofounder and ceo of lift, kirsten. you just had a baby? >> i did. >> your first week back from maternity leave? >> yes. >> how is that first week going? >> her dad is there. >> dad are heroes and talk about that a different way. i want to hear about lift. you started this in college? >> i did. fifteen years ago. >> how did you come across the
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idea and what is it and how did you start it? you're at yale, a sophomore? >> i was at yale. i had always done a lot of volunteering growing up. i grew up in a very public service oriented family. the long story short is after volunteering in head start i know we were talking about that in the earlier segment, i felt the children i was working with needed so much more than just the occasionally support. they also needed a lot of support for their families to ensure that their parents employment situation and housing situation and child care situation was stable. so fast forward 15 years and we built an organization that helps families secure the strong personal and social and financial foundations they need to get ahead. >> tell about us about wimpy. >> wimpy, in many ways, was our first client. we call our clients members because they really are a part of defining how the organization works. he was an unemployed and homeless gentleman in new haven,
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connecticut, where i was in college, who really, you know, i think most people just passed by. my cofounder and i struck up a relationship with wimpy and, very quickly, just through listening and getting to know him and treating him with dignity and respect and an open mind learned he had big aspirations for the life he wanted to live and the dad he wanted to be. over time, we helped him secure employment. we helped him reconnect with his family. in a lot of ways, he wrote our business plan for us and that is really -- >> that is incredible. first of all, i can't believe you graduated from college 15 year ago. can i just say that? secondly when you were getting this off the ground, it's amazing you did because i think so many people have this intention or idea and want to do something and just -- saying it is one thing and doing it is another. my question is did you pull together any help from the private sector either back then or now? how key is that support as you
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put this together? >> well, it's critical. we are a vast majority and private sector supported from a funding standpoint. more than 90% of our funding is from private individuals, corporations and foundations. and it's really we have drawn a lot of inspiration from what the private sector has learned over the last 50 years in terms of the importance of customer satisfaction and engagement and loyalty. a lot of what we do at lift is listening to our own families and allowing them to tell us whether or not our programs are effective and we think that is an idea that could get carried forward into the next 50 yooear on poverty that people themselves know a lot about what it takes to succeed and amazon and google have figured that out but the social service has a way to go. >> kudos. >> kirsten, thank you. now is your chance to get
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>> joining us now from west palm beach, florida, the former mayor of new york city, rudy giuliani. good to have you on the show. here to talk about the chris christie situation and how he did yesterday, i want to kind of play a little thought game with you given that you are america's mayor, rudy giuliani, republican. can we replace, say, this was say, governor jerry brown. same exact situation who had the same exact news conference. how did jerry brown do yesterday? >> i think he did very well in the sense that he held a press conference and answered all the questions and gave a definitive answer, not one of the usual ambiguous answers politicians give when they are in trouble.
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i can't recall, i might have, and i should should have. he did a very, very good job. i believe him because i think that had he known about this, he never would have made a joke about it earlier. he would have treated it differently. all in all, a mistake and a political thing that should have happened. a political retribution carried out by aides and he handled it about as well as he could. >> chris christie and your style are similar. successful in running our city. direct and very in charge. we have been talking about culture. i said look, there is no way, shape, or form somebody with me for five years would act in a certain way unless they knew i acted that way and encouraged that way. would anybody on your staff that
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close to you would ever have done something like that with how you believed and ran a business? >> sure, absolutely. i can think of four or five times where people did things that surprised me and not the way i believe i would have done. >> give me one example. >> i can't think of one that far back, but how about the irs scandal with president obama. some guy who visited the white house 60 or 70 times goes ahead and is part of the effort to focus on right wing groups and probably carrying out what he believes the president wanted. the president probably didn't want that. it happens. i can remember and think of a person working for me who got nasty with a city councilmember and threatened to take away their projects including one for
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children and happened to be a city councilmember that i respected. i was surprised that they acted that way. i was aggressive. i never thought i was that aggressive. maybe i gave the wrong signals. he immediately apologize and didn't lie about it. >> i understand the math you are doing and power changes people and it changes the people around people. >> katty kay here. you came out in defense of governor christie. a couple other republicans have as well. have you been disappointed or even surprised by the number of senior republicans who have been openly critical of him? >> we all have different candidates they are probably supporting two and three years from now. i'm not supporting anybody. it's too far away. the reality is governor christie is very direct. when you are direct, you
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. >> this is not a toni set over the last four years in this building from the environment i set out to achieve. >> intimidation is not the tone. >> i'm governor. can you shut up for a second? >> that's not it. try that one. >> did i say on topic. are you stupid? >> not yet. just haven't found yet. >> let me tell you something.
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after you graduate you can talk like that, your rear end is going to get thrown in jail, idiot. >> we are getting there. >> okay? that's what it is. >> i think i finally figured out the tone he set. >> good morning. it's 8:00 on the east coast and 5:00 on the west coast. we look live at new york city. we have mike barnacle, donny deutsch, katty kay and michael steel. >> how do you think he did. >> the one thing counters to the narrative i have been hearing that i feel is that he went out there and made a statement and a lot of people in a situation like that that looks that bad would say thank you very much,
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no questions. i think i really liked a lot about it and a lot of people didn't and they called it the never ending news conference. he sat and answered every question. some of those answers might have raised new questions, he's offering to answer those as well. i think he did very well. i'm also friends with him so i don't know if my bias as friends seeped into that, but i thought it put it out there. i liked it. what did you think? >> i thought he did as well as he could do in the circumstances. this could have been terrible for his presidential prospect, but it was also an incredible opportunity depending on how he responded to it. he responded to it given the circumstances as well as anybody i could think of to respond to it. he responded to the situation
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better than anybody else. on the national stage could have responded to it. there were a few problems out there. >> definitely problems. >> a lot of questions. john heilman last night -- >> was it awesome? >> he walked out having six guitars around and a banjo. it was just him. one guitar to another guitar that he used when he played ohio. there were great stories and lots of fun and incredible. i don't think i would get out on a cold january night. >> that's a good way of looking at it. >> i love springstein and you tube and i don't know that i
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would go to the meadowlands when you have to wake up as early as we do. still getting it done. his voice is as good as it was in 1971, 1972. >> who is next to them. >> the audience if i can say this, despite what they said, the butt heads would take me out on the rail. there is a shot i took last night. >> in fact i nudged him and said turn around and look. the average age was about 30. the average age was -- it was the type of people you expect. they come out on a cold january
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night. >> the acoustics. no question. what did he say? >> it's unbelievable. >> heilman stone. he is smarter actually. he said about five or six things. if you believe this and believe this and believe this and believe this and believe this and they were all counter intuitive, he said then you believe chris christie. there a lot of tough arguments against him. i am inclined to believe him. there problems. the 50 problem suggests that the guy hired his closest aides, people he can't trust. i can't imagine those people, i can't imagine people doing that in my office over four terms. even on small things, people
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knew. people gknew that if i was a bi believer, people could me no all the time. i can't fathom somebody doing something. that's probably one. number two is another people comment on this. no republicans came to his defense. no conservatives were swinging for him. everybody was questioned. >> i don't think anyone could at that point. >> they could. people came out in defense of barack obama after the irs investigation when barack obama handled it so much worse than chris christie did and benghazi and scandal after scandal and democrats lined up on the nsa stuff. they could have come out. why don't we ask my fellow republican michael steel. the silence was deafening. i will bring that up. that's a tough way to get into a
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presidential campaign. >> it's a tough way to get in and you're right. it's disappointing. regardless of how republicans of whatever view chris christie at this point. some voices could have been raised in support of the way he came out and the way he took this straight on and looked america in the eye and looked the folks of new jersey in the eye. spoke honestly as least as we know at this point. >> you say people didn't come out after he spoke? >> i say people didn't come out before he spoke. i didn't hear a lot of people coming out strongly after he spoke. there governors who are national figures and they run a governor's association. nicky did, but my gosh. i didn't see it.
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did any people in position make a statement? >> the only one was nicky haily and that was after. but you're right, it was a stunning silence. in terms of crisis management 101, he read the text book and followed the rules of it. you can get the self referencing and whether this was more about chris christie and they had to enjoy the traffic jams. i think it does raise questions about at least the competence and the caliber of the people he chose to surround himself with. and the tone allowed to permeate his office. for some reason the people thought this was okay. >> not for some reason. i will use the other c word. >> i agree.
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>> that comes from 25 years. thousands of people. i had inner circle people and outer circle people. there was a way of doing business that i understand. it is incomprehensible that somebody working for me would do that. we did things a certain way. some good and some bad. that doesn't happen inorganically. whether he knew it or not, this is the way christie does business. i don't know this incident and this stings because people feel that. his whole bit about being the crusading bully, every time he leans fwrd that attitude, it doesn't work. this is not about the people's heads. this is bad. this is really bad. this is worse than being caught with a prostitute and the scandal continues. this is an abuse of power that
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affects the voters. >> is it as bad as the irs scandal that barack obama brushed off. i think if we are going to be critical of chris christie, we have to be critical of a culture where barack obama allowed scandal after another to break and say i didn't know anything about it. the example is if we are going go after culture, we have to go after barack obama who had one scandal after another after another and he said i had no idea about it. nobody pays. lois learner after chris christie. let me ask you what's worse. shutting down a couple of lanes which is horrific or something somebody in your administration personally target for possible criminal investigation. he had said i no idea any of
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this came out and let lois learner stay on and take the fifth and let lois learner retire. with benefits and everything else. that's a culture too, isn't it? >> it is a culture, but so many people in various departments and exploring unending. it's the same thing. >> i'm not giving that. >> it's the same thing. we hire presidents to be able to do that to make sure that everybody's phone records are not tapped. we hire presidents to make sure that the irs doesn't make political attacks and hire the president to make sure the reporters's phones are not tapped and we hire presidents to make sure that when people ask for extra security in danger
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outs countries where the war just ended, they get the security so they don't get dragged through. that is why we hire presidents to do this work. i am not making this about barack obama, but if we talk about chris christie's culture, and you say it's worse than prostitution. i can find something worse. >> i talked to him for 15 minutes yesterday. i want to address a few things about chris christie. >> i thought you were going to say the prostitute. how is he doing? >> they say he is really sad. >> when did you talk to him? >> on his way to fort lee. he said when he got off the podium, he did not know how much time had gone by. he was going to answer every question, nothing to hide. some things he can't answer until he knows more, but he wanted to put himself out there. i know these new york reporters did not hold back and coddle
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him. he didn't do what chris christie said. he said i'm responsible and i don't know what i did in my office and i have to do a lot of soul searching to figure out why people felt they could do this. i thought that was extremely -- >> have you ever heard barack obama say that? have you ever heard barack obama say that? >> no. >> he just doesn't. barack obama never takes responsibility. i have to say that was one of the positive things about chris christie yesterday. a lot of problems. a lot of problems ahead for chris christie. a lot of questions asked. >> a lot of problems. >> democrats will be jumping on chris christie. taking a look at irs scandal.
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>> we will be talking about this bridge closure months from now? that will define. he's got real problems. yesterday at the end of the day, he was better off than at the beginning of the day. standing up there for two hours and answering the questions. what happened is clearly, i agree with you in the sense that campaigns are reflections of candidates the way offices are reflecting whoever is ahead of the office. i believe that. bridget kelly will be doing this. if at any point she said the governor asked me to do this, he's done. he's absolutely done. but on the other hand he stood there and said the same thing with a consistent line. if he is lying about any of this, he is mentally ill. >> it's over. >> he stood there for two hours. my question is you have spoken
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to him. did you get the sense that he is at all self reflective about the issue that know doe raised? >> yes. >> people conduct himself because they think i would like this kind of thing. >> here's the part that i can disclose because he said it in a news conference. he agrees his tone in the beginning of all this was totally stupid and he has to learn from it and take allegations seriously and that i think what really is a growing pain because he is so exploded on to the scene and became a big player and said sometimes the staff doesn't grow with you. they get too big. has anyone on your staff gone rogue and you had to fire them. the answer is probably yes. when they work for donny deutsch -- >> to the to this extent. >> come on. >> can i say one thing. if you were -- chris christie --
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>> i'm not saying that that's what happened. >> you want him in advertising for one year. you were the next year, you had to hire 100 people because you went from nothing to being a national figure and then three or four years later, people were asking you to have the biggest advertising firm in the world. chris christie's success has grown so fast. >> this woman has been with him for five years. this is not a new hire. i want to go back to the tone thing. the very thing that made him so appealing or unusual or different and polarizing is this in your face -- i don't want to use the bully word, but i don't hold back. the problem he has now, that was his biggest weapon. as he continues to carry out, it now automatically has that, if you will, stain where the thing i used to like about you now
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when you behave that way. >> mika's question is right. does he learn from this experience. if you listen to the press conference yesterday, he seems to be suggesting in the course of that that he realizes there was a culture problem and there was a term problem and now he is going to address it. let's listen. >> this is not the tone that i have set over the last four years in this building. it's not the environment i worked so hard to achieve. there is this kind of reputation out there of me being a micromanager. i'm not. i worked for the last 12 years in public life developing a reputation for honesty and directness and blunt talk. >> the suspicion is thaw foster culture through your campaign that allowed people to intimidate or retaliate against people. >> they know who i am.
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i am not that person. it's easy for people to be characterized based upon their personality and i have a direct, blunt personality. i understand why some people would characterize that as bullying, but it's not that. >> critics say this reveals that your style is pay back. are you and does this compromise your ability to serve? >> no, i'm not. listen, everybody in the country who engages in politics knows that. on the other hand, that's very, very different than saying that someone is a bully. i am who i am, but i am not a bully. >> a lot of reasons why we liked him in the beginning. do you agree with donny about the culture? >> i have to say for my own personal experience that i do, but it's a question of culture that he has to do a reset. i will give you a small example.
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my staff notice and i had no idea. i was sitting in my office and somebody came to the office and i heard a voice through the door. the section said please wait. he said i'm not going to wait. he opens the door and comes in. they are shocked when i saw that and when he sat down and started talking business. i said i want you to go out and apologize to my receptionist and get your own diet coke. >> he walked out and said i'm very sorry. i was rude. can you tell me where the diet cokes are. >> but you are a congressman now. >> this was a fellow congressman. >> got it. >> that's the way we did in our office.
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we were family. >> again, you go. i girl an tee if you went into this guy's office, it would have been a completely different culture. >> the talk sets the tone. >> it sets the tone every single day. i will tell you on "morning joe," everybody wakes up in the middle of the night, you have ungodly hours and we do more with less people working on our team than anybody else. >> we had -- what? i'm talking here! really quickly, i thought it was alex. say shut up! what are you so -- tj can tell you this too. he has been here for ten or 11 years. never once in my office and in mika's office has anybody said that's not my job. one person did that.
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we won't mention, but over the past seven years, one person came in that always had cya memos and attacked other people. they lasted for about three weeks. it is a culture. >> it is. michael steel, jump in and i will ask donny a question. >> i want to dove tail about the culture and the office. that's going to be a real telling point going forward as well. to donny's point as well. we will have stories that are going to come from third parties that have been either inflicted by the culture or somehow had experience with this culture that has grown up around christie. >> you saw what erickson said about his staff and him. >> that's where i was going. >> without saying the word, what did eric erickson say? what did he call him?
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>> it wasn't nice. >> he said they were divas. eric said they were divas. i think he said an a-hole culture. >> i have been to his office and i don't see that, but i understand. go ahead. >> and i think that that's really to donny's point how this can be the threat to continues to unwind as more and more folks begin to feel freed up to talk about this culture over the last four or five years. how he handles this going forward i think will say a lot about the new christie in this environment than anything else. >> mika, imagine two weeks from now a teacher is asking about where his kid is going to school and he said it's none of your business. it's like that's going to blow up in his face. >> that's what i'm going to ask you. i'm reading one of the lead lines on it. by the end of an extraordinary
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and exhaustive 107 minute news conference, he transformed himself from a belligerent politician. the practice vado had vanished and the certitude was gone. when you know him personally, you see that other side. the vulnerable side or whatever. >> he's a great guy. >> yeah. he does have a problem because of what you just said in terms of how he goes off. >> i didn't see that much. he was like we talk. you don't talk. which is fun. >> i like that. >> i did too. >> what i like about it was he was not going to freak out. at the end of the day, he is going win the presidency if he runs and everything goes right and he stays chris christie.
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people want that guy. he's got to stay that because that's who he is. >> did you like it? >> i don't think it was a different way. >> i thought it was a little self absorbed. it was too much about chris christie and not enough about the people. there was a culture in your office that was not great for another office. take that to the united states. there is a culture in trenton that might work fine, but does that culture work in iowa? >> hamid karzai sends a troubling message to the u.s. releasing dozens of prisoners involved in killing u.s. troops. also we will tell you why the governor of west virginia is declaring a state of emergency and why residents are told not to drink the water. first, here's bill with a check on the forecast. bill? >> good morning. the week of our arctic outbreak
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through the mid-atlantic region. a lot of ice and rivers froze up and we were expecting the big rain. ice and flooding concerns. this is the niagara falls area. what an icy scene. freezing rain in and around washington, d.c. amazingly all the airports reporting no delays through the mid-atlantic and northeast. we have a coating of snow through connecticut, rhode island and massachusetts. that is freezing rain and that continues outside the big cities of philadelphia, baltimore and d.c. careful on the overpasses. a lot of folk from oklahoma city to dallas. the forecast over the next three days, we take the rain from dallas to chicago and bring it to the east coast. that patriots game saturday night could be heavy rain in the boston area. by sunday everyone clears it out for a very nice end to your mid-winter weekend. we leave you with a shot.
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time to take a look at the morning papers. the washington times, 72 high risk detainees in afghanistan will be released despite calls from the u.s. to keep them behind bars. president karzai said there was not enough evidence to hold them
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without a trial. u.s. officials say they do have sufficient evidence and the prisoners are dangerous taliban militants who come as the two nations continue to negotiate as a long-term security agreement. >> the "usa today" from the international up or is no longer in the u.s. she left yesterday after being indicted for under paying her nanny and lying on the visa application. the diplomat created a controversy in india and strained relations between washington and new delhi after she was subjected to cavity and strip searches. >> she didn't like that and it was a cultural issue. >> yes! >> i take captivity over that. >> i am not sure about that. from our parade of papers. >> i don't want cavity searches. >> we can argue that another
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day. >> i'm firm on that. i don't want it. the parade of papers, the gazette with a state of emergency in effect after dangerous chemical spill compromised the water supply in nine counties. 250,000 residents ordered not to drink the water stems from a chemical plant that spread from the water supply. >> they will pay a combined total of $50 billion to settle cases stemming from the mortgage crisis. this comes as they lock to hold 16 banks accountable for their roles in the housing crisis. the estimate factors in the recent settlement with jpmorgan chase. >> a recent court decision changes with online reviews. they ordered that the popular website yelp will hand over to seven anonymous reviewers. the ownerships said they were not real customers. online comments are considered free speech and they said
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delivered statements are not protected. >> that's a problem. i really wish that people had to put their name on any comments. the conversation gets out of control. >> it does. it does. >> the "los angeles times," major food companies are making an effort to end childhood obesity. they cut 6.4 trillion calories from their products. that eliminates 78 calories from the average person's daily diet. companies like pepsico and coca-cola offer low calorie snacks and smaller portions. >> this magazine features the best known astro physics. i am in this. >> he discusses his passion for the laws of nature. he wants to transform how we think about science. up next, signs of an improving economy and we will get the december monthly jobs report.
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the new monthly jobs reports just crossed. michelle? >> ugly number. the number of jobs created, 74,000 and the expectation was 200,000. there was talk that maybe the cold weather kept folks at home either not looking or construction jobs, for example. >> that's awful. >> that's one of the lowest numbers we have seen in years. >> since january 2011. very, very bad. >> our economy is pretty large. could cold weather really knock it down that low? >> when i look at construction jobs declining, that mighting i is suggest it, but that is in part because people appear to be withdrawing from the labor force and giving up looking for a job. that's why that number got smaller. >> as you were saying that from the drop from 7 to 6.7%.
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>> that's not good. it's a big drop with the numbers being so poor. every month we go through this. the other thing is that it's going drop as more people fallout of the workforce. they give up looking and then you stop getting counted. normally everybody said it's going down a little bit and that's going to be a good thing at some point. with this three percentage point stop is too big for that number. i'm curious about your thoughts. last month everybody thought the shut down was going to impact the jobs sdmb number. i feel like there has to be another explanation other than the cold weather. >> yeah. there might be something else. >> there might be something else going on.
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it's too different from the trend. >> i'm curious because there were declined and we have been seeing that steadily. they have balanced a lot of budget requirements within their constitution. they don't have the money. they have layoffs. the gdp number came out and it was smoking. it seems weird that we have another data hence the 200,000 jobs created. >> terrible news. >> yeah. thanks, michelle. this is not just a number. we can put a human face to long-term unemployment and the community helping people reset their futures. i lost my job about, probably about six or seven months ago.
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i'm a year short of qualifying for my retirement. they had some cutbacks. i was the most skilled technician . >> i lot of my job six or seven months ago. >> i am short of qualifying for my retirement. >> i'm a skilled technician and highest paid. >> i do have a husband. thank god or i would be homeless. >> tell republicans unemployment benefits now.
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back with us with the job loss blues and getting ready for the next act. thank you so much. the book is doing great right now. i have mika here because you guys have done this together in a sense. let me start with you though. you had them before and you talked about getting a new job. this is more about surviving. i saw it with my dad and i heard about it with mika where you are sitting on the edge of your bed when you are 40 or 45 and you are unemployed. surviving unemployment and getting back on your feet. >> it's not as intense as surviving addiction or cancer or
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disease. you still have to survive it. >> in many ways, it's a short window of addiction. it can be as devastating as a divorce or something. the devastation, you don't know until you have been through it. i never lot of a job or had a problem finding a job. my own businesses and i thought i will be able to handle this. within three months, i fell apart. >> it affects everybody, doesn't it? it affects the entire family and kids and spouses. >> for affects the marriage and the retired and the poor. it's like having a baby. you don't know what it's like until you have one. you wonder why people act so crazy about their babies. you know when you have one. when you talk to somebody -- i decided to write the intro. duane and colleen were those
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friends, the solid ones who had it all. keeping it and seeking it forever. the perfect house and the nice cars. a beautiful cross between julia louis dreyfus and andy dowell. it seemed to me they had that goal. they were set. all of a sudden he became a casualty of the great recession and a reversal of fortune. he went through this dehumanizing process. as it began to pull himself out and do these things to reverse his fortunes again, he was so vulnerable and open about it. he writes it down and brings himself back and others with him. >> the reason i wrote the book is because it spoke to me and this economy. i was looking for answers and i couldn't find them. i am getting lots of feedback
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that you are me. there is information in this book that is not out there anywhere else. for example, 95% of people out of work have no clue how to network. why would they know? this is not something they taught in high school. >> this is an isolating experience. >> in this climate when you are looking at several months at least, it's not like you network for a couple of weeks. how do you settle into that mode? do you have tips like set up one meeting or call a day to get you through? >> it's more intense than that. i learned from, for example, a man who he was an introvert. he called himself and he was left out. a really, really bright man. he said i became a career netwo networker, but i'm really a career introvert.
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the reality is he learned how to network. he had a 5-5-5 program. reach out to five people, touch base with five people on the phone and e-mails. send out five resumes. set up five meetings. within three weeks, you are not going to have time to follow-up with all these people. he had a job in 2 1/2 months. >> the depression, you look like hell. i looked awful. i went to every job interview worse than the one before. it's trouble to stay in shape. he had something on top of it. it's impossible because you don't feel like doing anything. you have to force yourself to get into it. you have an e-mail? >> we were talking about the long-term unemployed and as soon as we were finished i got an e-mail from rich kline. he said we were making a point that it doesn't affect the people out there that can't find work. he said thanks for focusing on
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the long-term unemployed. many of us had long successful careers for a quarter century before the bottom fell out. no one wanted to interview me. i was too old and overqualified. people don't let you get partial unemployment while starting a business. >> you have to work with what you got. you know what you have? nothing. absolutely nothing. you are so raw and you are going to get through this. i'm telling you that you are. he created this community that he shares with others live every day. >> reset your future.com. there tools there and original material that you find nowhere else. i read into myself. i am a consultant and i completed my book and i
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interviewed with joe. he is a master of reinvention. it's true. it was a great story. it was a great story. i love the way the book was. >> i remember there so many times where i just looked over the edge of the cliff and said i have to jump. if i stay here, i'm going to die. i jumped, but i worked my tail off to make sure what seemed like a crazy move was -- >> it was risked. when you got punched in the face -- okay. we will talk about that. >> we are in trouble now. >> you can pick up the book. >> you are good. >> you can get the reset. how to beat the job loss blues and become a member of the reset community by visiting
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>> punch them right in the face. >> i would love chris as a good friend of ours to come out. he is going to have to take people down hard in his office. the betrayal and trust. >> i am heartbroken for someone i permitted to be in that circle of trust betrayed my trust. >> me where that is. >> near the caucuses. they're eying yemen and syria. >> going, going, going. not going. >> why are you going or aren't you going? >> it's called the polar vortex.
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>> this is a scientific term. you are making this stuff up. when is it going to warm up. >> 45 for new york. 50 for mika. >> i don't know what that means. they for or against poverty. >> he is objective. >> and his hair is perfect. perfect. >> i want to get my hair to stand up. >> for looks good on you. i want to get it down to a belt buckle. you want a real belt buckle? will you get me one? >> he's getting it here. don't go. >> the crisis. it just starts on the crisis. i said look, let's get into it.
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. >> leading to the george washington bridge, he answered a lot of questions about how big and how long and drove into what happened last could make or break his national career. breaking news this morning. just 74,000 jobs added last month. the unemployment rate is down, but mostly because fewer people are looking for jobs. we will have first reaction from the white house later this hour. while christie's crisis clogs the headlines in the world of 2015 talk, top democrats got stung by a poll ecolleague. good morning from washington. it's friday. this is

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