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breaking news from the supreme court where we've just learned the court will not take up three major gun cases, and that leaves federal and state gun control laws on the books. pete williams will join us from the court to break down the implications. also this morning, a breakthrough in ukraine. a new temporary government is now trying to figure out what's next. the people are praying, the president is missing, so what would democracy look like? and later this hour, could you live on $7.25 an hour? a group of minnesota lawmakers are trying to do just that, but will it change the politics involved in raising the minimum wage? good morning, i'm ari melber in for chris jansing. we begin with president obama, who hasn't had much success with the divided congress, so an hour
from now he's going to reach out to the nation's governors at a white house summit, calling on them to work with him on a host of economic issues. last night the president offered a preview of that very outreach. he had a dinner with the governors' association. >> when we have a congress that sometimes seems to have a difficult time acting, i want to make sure i have an opportunity to partner with each of you in any way i can to help more americans work, study, and strive. >> the president's already running into opposition from republican governors like bobby jindal, who will meet the president later this afternoon. >> one of the things i want to share with him is that this president, this administration, has a chance to be laser focused on job creation. we're not doing that. this president feels like he can act yunilaterally. >> all right. let's bring in "washington post"
columnist and msnbc contributor e.j. dionne and molly ball. welcome to you both. e.j., i want to start right there with the pen, the phone, and the laser. we all remember bill clinton said he wanted a laser on the economy. walk us through what bobby jindal's up to here and the context of these meetings with president obama. >> well, i think you have to put this in the context of two kinds of politics, one is electoral politics. we have a lot of governors on the ballot this fall, and as my colleague pointed out in "the washington post," the governor races are a mirror image of the senate races. in the senate races, 36 of them, 21 are states where democrats are defending seats, and a lot of those are in states romney/kerry. in the other races, a lot of the key races are in states obama carried, so there's that kind of politics, but the other kind of politics is issue politics, and
i think one of the things president obama's going to do is say, look, one of the things states have always wanted to do is build infrastructure, roads, bridges, and he has a substantial proposal to pump more money into states and localities to build infrastructure, and the republicans so far have been resisting it. now that's one area where congress even conservatives have said this is a good thing for government to do, so i think on this, on the minimum wage, he's going to be pushing governors, including republicans, not necessarily expecting they are going to do it, but hoping at least to make a point of these issues in the coming elections. >> right. it's kind of like when you have one of those trainers who knows you're not going to do all the reps, but he keeps yelling at you hoping you might do something at the gym. >> i like that metaphor. i could use a trainer like that. >> i don't have one yet, but i'll need one some day, i assume. molly, i want to put up what
jindal is saying. look, use the phone and the pen, jump start growth, ten ways president obama can use executive power to improve the economy. we're going to put up a couple here, keystone pipeline, delay obamacare, we've heard that before, open the federal lands, and back off the epa, an issue partly before the supreme court today, molly. this is basically old stuff. >> well, sure. i think this is all pretty choreographed, this dance where the president pretends to reach out, although it was a couple days after he told the democratic governors how to sort of hit the republicans hard on the issues to win in campaigns, and so there's this pretense of reaching out and pretense of conciliation and the republicans walk right out of the white house and talk about how opposed they are to all the president's policies, so i don't think there's any real constructive ground in these sorts of meetings, but e.j.'s exactly right, this is about electoral positioning and the other thing to remember is this election is four years from the elections of
2010, so the republican governors who are up for re-election are the ones who were elected in that tea party wave. a lot of them have either made some unpopular decisions in their states that have made them vulnerable, some of them we've seen them coming around on things like the medicaid expansion, i think, as a means of electoral survival tacking more toward the center, so all of these governors, you know, are mostly concerned with political survival and they've had to make different decisions based on that, so beyond the rhetoric, beyond the, you know, jindals of the world saying they are massively opposed to whatever it is obama is for, we've seen interesting nuances in how the governors have behaved in their states. >> some of them, of course, have re-election, and promotion, something the president joked about briefly last night. take a listen to this, e.j. >> tonight we want to make sure that all of you make yourselves
at home, to which i'm sure some of you are thinking, that's been the plan all along. [ laughter ] >> he got a good laugh there, e.j., some of these guys, chris christie among them, at the republican governors' association, some of them, of course, want to look beyond the entire obama era. >> right, but i think it's worth noting that chris christie isn't going to be there today. he had a birthday party for his daughter and he has to prepare a budget speech. but, yes, i think one of the most prominent who really would like to run is scott walker, who's running into some difficulties with this report from the d.a. about some interaction, you know, sort of mingling of his campaign and his office. but i think that what these shows also is a big difference from, say, 20 years ago. in the past, republican governors tended to be the
moderates in their party. they tended to be the people left to solve problems in the states, so they weren't very ideological, whereas now you have a lot of republican governors, rick perry in texas, bobby jindal, scott walker, who are very conservative and proud bearers of ideology. this is a different set of republican governors. >> i think that's a great point, e.j., there's definitely a national community here, because a lot of these governors are clearly not only focused on their state republican politics, they are working within the national tea party conservative politics. e.j. dionne and molly ball. thank you for your time. we're going to turn to developing news, the supreme court right now is hearing oral arguments on potential limits to executive powers in a case about the epa and the court is also making other news this morning, declining to hear three challenges to gun laws, including two challenges pushed
by the nra. this means a texas gun control law restricting guns in public places will stay on the books. we're joined now by pete williams live outside the supreme court and on set with us here, michael waldman, former speech writer for president clinton. spieth, i want to go to you and i want to understand this, by declining to hear these nra cases, the court is leaving some laws on the books. what is the impact? >> well, the impact on texas is it leaves intact a texas law that says you cannot have a permit to carry a gun outside the home if you're 18 to 21. a federal law barred the sale to handguns to people 18 to 21, and the other law makes it possible, but technically difficult, to buy a gun from one state if you live in another state. now here's the real essence of
this. ever since the supreme court decided in 2008 the second amendment provides a handgun at home for self defense, the question that's divided the lower courts, okay, what about outside the house? some courts have struck down state laws that limit the ability to get a permit to carry, you have to show, for example, in new york or maryland, that you have a good reason to do it. other courts have upheld those laws and there's a difference on the lower courts about what the second amendment provides once you come outside the house. so by declining to take up these cases today, the supreme court is going to let the issue churn. it's undoubtedly coming back again and the supreme court is ultimately going to have to resolve it. >> michael, you're someone who's been studying this, looking at the history for your book. what do you take as the implication here, where the nra has been winning in congress and in the courts, to some degree, but they lost twice today, in a sense. >> well, most of the lower courts, since the supreme court found for the first time there
was an individual right to a gun of any time, most of the federal courts around the country have used analysis and have upheld the existing gun laws. there have been a few that haven't. that's what's called a circuit split, where the supreme court will want to say, okay, there's disagreement now. we have to come in and decide, but nra is claiming, as they said in the case today, that there is, quote, massive resistance by lower courts to the supreme court's decision. that's a very loaded phrase, of course, it comes from the civil rights era when the segregationists vowed massive resistance to brown v. board of education. of course, the states are saying, no, we have criminal laws and public safety laws and these are reasonable. so the court has decided not to hear these cases, but there may be other cases in the next year or two that they will want to hear. >> right, as pete williams mentioned, the churn goes on, practical effect in texas of leaving for those who don't
realize it, some gun regulations on the books in texas, but may leave a lot more fights to come. pete williams, i know you got to get back into the court, so thank you for your time today. michael waldman, our thanks, as well. quick note now from capitol hill. this is interesting, the longest serving member of congress ever, ever, is retiring. msnbc news has confirmed john dingle will not run. that ends his 60-year career. he started there in 1965, dingell's seat is considered a safe seat for the democrats. coming up, where is ukraine's president? there is now a warrant out for his arrest. he's abandoned the presidential palace, where thousand s storme the grand estate. we're going to have the latest from a very important story from ukraine after the break.
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welcome back. we are covering major breakthroughs in ukraine today, the uprising and street protest that toppled the government of viktor yanukovych have also led to an arrest warrant. it's not clear where the former president is right now. saturday, he fled the capital, this security footage that you're looking at, allegedly capturing that very moment. with the president on the run, protesters took control of his luxe zur yous estate outside of kiev, it's got a private zoo, golf course, and garage of classic sports cars. back in independence square, explosions and molotov cocktails have been supplanted by candles, remembrances for the dozens killed, and in a profound moment, imprisoned prime minister, who once led the movement to break ties with russia, was released from prison
saturday after two and a half years. that night she addressed tens of thousands of protesters in kiev, even bringing some to tears. dramatic moments there. nbc foreign correspondent has been following this. what has to happen now for this revolution to become complete? >> well, from the perspective of those running the country, that's predominantly the parliament and protesters, political opposition, this has been somewhat complete, but no doubt about it, it's going to come down to stability and resemblance of law and order. right now, the country pretty much seems to be without any major police presence on the street, although the military's still very intact. they say they are stating on the sidelines and will not get involved in any of the internal conflict that is unfolding there, but more importantly, there has to be some type of stability and clear political process. right now there's also a little
bit of ambiguity depending on who you ask whether or not the current interim government has legitima legitimacy, given the fact it's yet unclear what basis they are using to govern the country. >> you talk about legitimacy, a lot of this reporting has been pretty extraordinary, the disintegration of the police forces, last minute deals telling the police they are working the square, they can leave safely, as long as they've moved on from defending the regime, reports of the united states not having anyone to call or make diplomatic contact with. what are the international implications when you look at the united states and russia and attempts to understand what the new country is? >> well, the short-term consequences are that you could have a situation that is very imploesive, and that is parts of the ukraine effectively disintegrating, perhaps part of it in the eastern part that is predominantly ethnically russian, finding allegiances closer to russia and calling on
russia to protect the ethnic minority in parts of eastern ukraine, but at the same time, there are those in the western part who are still calling for ukraine to remain a single sovereign country, united and undivided, but it does really come down to right now who's in charge, who's going to make the political calls on the road map in the weeks and months ahead. >> all right. nbc foreign correspondent aman, thank you for that reporting. coming up, he's known for a sharp tongue and even sharper elbows. three years into his tenor as mayor of chicago, we're seeing violence and education as major challenges there. who is rahm emanuel? is he still being the rahm we knew? we have an in-depth look coming up next. ♪ they lived. ♪ they lived. ♪ they lived.
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rahm. rahm emanuel is also known for a sharp tongue and take no prisoners approach, he was almost infamous as president obama's chief of staff and chief of enforcement. he helped president obama pass the signature health care legislation, but ultimately left for what he said was his dream job, to be mayor of chicago. here's what the president said when he left. >> i knew that i needed somebody at my side who i could count on, day and night. for nearly two years, i've begun my work day with rahm. i've ended my work day with rahm. >> neil steinburg wrote a new profile of mayor emanuel in "esquire" titled "now for the further adventurers of rahm the impaler." how are you? >> i'm well, thank you. >> good. let me start by playing some sound of the mayor talking about spending, something that democrats have often said we need to do more of for people, for social services, but he's
been dealing with realities in chicago. take a listen. >> it is not just a matter of doing more with less. we must look at every aspect of city government and ask some basic questions, can we afford it? is it worth it? do we need it? is there a better deal? >> like president clinton, another president he served, that's a new democrat sound. how's he doing on those priorities? >> he seems to be doing a lot. financial insolvency is a looming disaster for chicago and he's doing things on a small level, trying to make garbage collection easier and cheaper and that sort of thing, so he has a big task in front of him and not all is in his control. the pension situation in chicago is a time bomb and he needs springfield to help him, because the laws sort of handcuff him on it. >> quickly on that, when we say it's a time bomb, you mean there have been commitments made to public workers and others that are hard to afford. do you think, though --
>> rich daley built his political success on giving away the farm. in the "esquire" piece, i say he's like the husband who spends a college money at casino, so part of the reason daly quit is he led us into a disaster, which rahm has to figure out how to fix. if we pay the pension obligations to firefighters, police officers, et cetera, it will completely bankrupt the city, it will gut the city. we'll have to stop doing everything else. we'll be -- the city of chicago will be a place that puts out fires and pays pensions. >> neil, you say that and a lot of folks say that in these cities and there's no question they have huge bills. on the other hand, when you put it like that, i grant you poetic license on any home betting analogy, but when you put it like that, you are making some economic assumptions, right, that there aren't going to be different approach to tax revenue, corporate taxes, and
other ways to raise revenues. >> he can tax his way out of it -- >> let me finish, you talk about how rahm has done certain targeted attacks to make up some funds without being very noticeable, but you could do a broader tax-based approach, right? >> right, but then you would discourage businesses from coming here. one of his -- to me, it's a valid plan, is you get companies to start jobs in chicago and if you start taxing them up the yin-yang, they are not going to do it. >> okay, that's a claim. i want to look to the violence issue, as well. i want to move to that and play sound from rahm talking about this. you know, of course, as you reported, chicago facing worse gun violence than many major cities. take a listen. >> we cannot allow children in the city of chicago, and we will not allow children in the city of chicago, to have their youthfulness, their optimism, their hope, taken from them. that's what gun violence does.
>> when you look at the homicide rate, you have more in chicago than in places like new york or los angeles. that's an issue many people care about and have worked on. reverend sharpton here at msnbc has been out in chicago doing summits on this on the issue of violence. what did you learn in reporting on the mayor's attempt to grapple with this? >> chicago is shockingly worse than new york or los angeles. our murder rate is triple the amount. rahm says that it's because of our gang situation, you know, it's odd this gang leader, this drug cartel guy, chapo in mexico, they are thinking of trying him in chicago because he has this direct link to making the gang warfare in chicago worse. blaming the mayor of chicago for the violence is like blaming him for the weather. 2013 was actually a much better year for him, and so he is going to take some credit for that, which i think was a tactical mistake, because 2014 could be a
worse year. if you look at violence from a nationwide point of view, it goes up and down in weird patterns that people don't quite understand. >> all right. neil steinberg, thank you for your time today, appreciate it. coming up, we're going to talk about the minimum wage again, but the politics of pay and something different here, what one group of minnesota lawmakers are trying to do to prove their point. and later, not one, but two ufc fighters will join us here on set, you got that right, to talk about what they call the good fight. ♪ we asked people a question, how much money do you think you'll need when you retire? $500,000. maybe half-million. say a million dollars. [ dan ] then we gave each person a ribbon to show how many years that amount might last. ♪ i was trying to like pull it a little further. you know, i was trying to stretch it a little bit more. [ woman ] got me to 70 years old. i'm going to have to rethink this thing. [ man ] i looked around at everybody else and i was like, "are you kidding me?"
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federal wage of $7.25. so in their quest to bring attention to the issue, some lawmakers are doing something different, going a step further, they are trying to personally live off the minimum wage for a whole week. joining us now, minnesota state representative frank hornstein. hello, how'd you get this idea and what are you trying to achieve? >> well, thank you so much, ari, for having me on your show. we are five minnesota state legislators and we're participating with an organization called "working america," on something called the minimum wage challenge, so what we are doing now over this last week is figuring out how we can really, literally, live on $14 a day for our food and transportation needs, housing, of course, is another matter, but it's been a real experience for all of us. >> yeah, and it's not just something that happens as a sort of political activity or political stunt, how some might even criticize it. we were talking about this in
the office, george orwell documented this and tried to look what it took to live in poverty, morgan spurlock, the documenta documentaryian, and "nickel and dimed" became an international best seller. did any of those examples speak to you, and what's been the hardest financial choice you've had to make? >> well, you hit it on the head with the word "choice." what i learned is that every day, almost every hour, one has to make choices, are you going to drive, are you going to take public transportation? how much can you spend for breakfast, if you spend too much for breakfast, what sacrifices do you have to make in terms of meals later in the day? so, literally, one has to make can choices all the time and people should never have to make these kinds of choices of basic needs in their lives. >> representative, my last question for you may be slightly harder, but is part of the point here that you think the premise
being that folks will pay more attention to someone like you, a politician, living off the minimum wage than all the other folks that have to do it but don't necessarily get covered? >> well, it's really important to call attention to this issue. i think it's one of the defining issues of our day in terms of what we have to accomplish politically, both in washington and in our state capitols around the country, and we are starting our legislative session tomorrow, and we are going to be pushing very, very hard to add minnesota to those list of states that have already passed the minimum wage at the state level, so by calling attention to this through the work that we're doing on this minimum wage challenge, i think that helps the cause. >> all right. well, we will keep covering it and find out if it does. frank hornstein, thank you very much. now we're going to get right to our strategists, aisha and chip saltsman, republican strategy and former campaign manager for mike huckabee.
chip, huckabee is actually a place to start. he at times during his governorship was more focused, as you know, on social services and talked about the poor in a way a lot of people feel the republican party doesn't do anymore. >> well, certainly. i think governor huckabee, one of the great assets that he had is he grew up there, he grew up in a rent house, as he said, in hope, arkansas, and grew up tough, his father was a firefighter and part-time mechanic and they made ends meet. it was always tough at the end of the month, and as he talked about that, that was developing his life skills, that's where it came from. even though i disagree with where the state rep was going, i applaud him for doing these things, because it does walk in the shoes that these are issues, you've got tough choices to make. >> you disagree with him? what are you saying? >> i disagree with raising the minimum wage, but i agree with taking the time out to live in those shoes and understand the tough choices. i think there's better pathways than raising the minimum wage.
>> got you on the policy, but you appreciate the exercise, which is interesting. >> absolutely, i do appreciate it. >> that relates to what we mentioned in terms of the attempt out there to get a handle on what people are living like. let me play some sound from the president. >> even though a majority of democrats, independents, and republicans across the country support raising the minimum wage, republicans in congress don't want to give it a vote. hard working americans deserve better than no. let's tell congress to say yes, pass that bill. >> aisha, that's the president saying that he wants some kind of yes or no vote. he hasn't gotten that. >> no, he hasn't. this issue is really about our values and who we are as americans. are we going to just turn our back on poor people, those living in poverty, folks working every day but still working poor? speaker boehner said recently, just last week, he said that he would rather commit suicide than
to raise the minimum wage, and i think that's really something that is telling about how we view poor people in this country and how we see, you know, what our role is in being able to make sure they can put food on their table, and the other thing i want to add to is that just raising the minimum wage is not going to put companies out of business, you know, that is just a myth right now. it's actually going to help over 25 million families. >> it's funny you mention that. one of the big things that came here, and chip, i want your thoughts on the other side of this sound, from peter theo, big business guy, conservative donor, as you know, the facebook guy and came up closer to a billion than a billion, if everyone remembers their social network movie history. take a listen to him at a conference discussing why, like you, chip, he's not really into the policy in theory, but he's coming around. take a listen. >> in theory, i'm against people have the freedom to contract whatever wage they'd like to have, but in practice, i think
the alternative to higher minimum wage is people end up going on welfare. i actually think that it's something -- very out of the box idea, but something that one should consider seriously, given all the others that exist. >> chip, the numbers do back that up, as you know, the studies are out there, the facts show a lot of folks working on minimum wage in some of the states where it's particularly low end up on public assistance. that's a fact. you can want to change public assistance in the long-term, peter theo does, because he's a libertarian, but his view in the short run is your party and the position you stated today is wrong to not find some way to give people a private sector road away from public assistance. >> most republicans will say a private sector pathway is better because you can't keep up those numbers. look, when you look at the minimum wage on the short-term, say you get $3 more an hour, you get a short-term boost, but when you look at the minimum wage over a long time, the cbo,
thinks that 500,000 jobs will be lost if you raise the minimum wage. that would increase unemployment by 0.3%, and i would like to focus on getting unemployment down lower to about 4%, 4.5%, which is full employment, that way job creation's going to go way up, people will compete for better wages and that's the best way out, not raising the minimum wage. i think that's a short-term gain and we need to focus on a long-term gain. >> i hear that. i will say on the cbo, to be clear, 500,000 was a big headline number, the report says anywhere from minimal to a million, could be bigger than you cited, but might be lower. chip and aisha, thank you for your time. now we're going to turn to a quick check of the news feed. republican arizona senator jeff flake has joined a controversial state bill to allow businesses to refuse service to gay patrons and others on their assertion on religious freedom grounds.
over the weekend, flake tweeted, "i hope governor brewer vetoes." brewer doesn't have to make a decision until friday and is said to be weighing the decision carefully. arizona state legislature passed the bill thursday and it's drawn strong reactions from opponents who call it state-sanctioned discrimination. meanwhile, history made in the nba, jason collins is the first openly gay man to play in a major u.s. sports league, he took the court last night for the brooklyn nets. he'll wear number 98 in honor of the university of wyoming student killed in an anti-gay hate crime in 1998. michael sam takes the field today, hoping to become the first openly gay football player. this is a chance for teams to check out players before the draft. yesterday he was saying he hopes people will view him as a football player, not as michael sam the gay football player. that's his perspective on all this. finally, a big night here at 30 rock with seth meyers taking
the reins of late night. he steps in for jimmy fallon. seth talked about his new role with the "today" show's savannah guthrie. >> you just make the decisions you would make based on your own taste and that leads to what kind of show it will be. i know i won't be doing any singing, that's one thing i can promise, i won't be trying to match the sort of talents of jimmy that way. >> late night airs 12:35 a.m. eastern on nbc, of course. and now a major deal this morning involving our parent company, comcast, and it could effect the way many people stream netflix. mandy drury is here with what's moving your money. what are the details? >> the details are that netflix is going to pay comcast to make sure that all those netflix movies and tv shows that you enjoy stream smoothly, obviously, that is if you are a comcast customer. it is being considered a big deal because it sets a precedent for netflix's business it does
with other broadband providers. so the deal is for its payment, netflix will get direct access to comcast broadband network, and this is important because there's so much internet usage, a lot of volume and that can cause delays for customers trying to stream netflix movies and tv shows. i've had that situation myself and it costs money to upgrade, so you can understand why the major u.s. providers like comcast want to be paid for those connections so they can do the upgrades and keep things moving fast, and netflix does have a lot of heavy traffic that goes through the networks. as i say, it does set a precedent here and we could see netflix agreeing to compensate the other providers, as well. that's something we need to watch. >> mandy, this could be huge for "house of cards" fans. i don't know if you're one of them. >> i haven't seen it. i know what it is, but never watched a single episode. shame on me. >> i'm happy to shame you over
that issue on national tv. we have a lot of fans here at msnbc, but it is a political show. mandy drury, thank you for your time. >> thank you, see you tomorrow. >> see you soon. after more than two weeks of intense competition and incredible stories, the 2014 sochi olympic winter games are over. russia put on another incredible show with last night's closing ceremony. the ioc president called the games an extraordinary success. u.s. gets silver, so to speak, in the overall medal count coming in with 28. russia took first with 33, and norway came in third. we got to wait until 2016 for the summer games in rio de janeiro, brazil. next games will be 2018 in south korea, then tokyo plays host to the summer games in 2020. now that's a tease. know the feeling? copd includes emphysema and chronic bronchitis. spiriva is a once-daily inhaled copd maintenance treatment that helps open my obstructed airways for a full 24 hours.
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world. their competitors use techniques all over the world, brazilian jiujitsu, japanese karate, boxing, and they have integrated that diversity of disciplines for what's now known, maybe you've heard of it, as mixed martial arts. today the ufc is celebrating with a campaign it calls, "we are all fighters." the ufc is sending fighters to honor african-american history and tout what it calls the community benefits of mma, such as discipline, self confidence, self awareness, and also self defense. joining us now, the first-ever ufc flyweight champion, and middleweight, urijah hall, thanks for being here. >> thanks for having us. >> what are you doing with this program? >> going around, basically, going around to boys and girls clubs and basically spreading, you know, how to improve both of our lives. >> and urijah, one of the interesting things, people think of it as fighting, think of it
as violent, right? and yet another piece to this, i think, is a lot of these original martial arts talk about using violence in the street, at least violence in public, as a last resort. >> well, you know, self defense is always important to learn, you know, god for bid something happens where you have to defend yourself, when you go in there, it's like art. you have jiujitsu, you have boxing, kick boxing, so all these disciplines we are putting together. >> what do we have landing here? tell me about this. >> this is my championship belt. i was the first-ever ufc flyweight champion in the world, and i thought i'd bring a piece of art so people could see it. >> why is it so big? >> typically, you know, belts, they are big. my pants aren't this big, but it's nice. >> what kind of chinos go with that belt? >> exactly, this is a serious piece. people probably think i wear big
pants, huh? >> don't walk on the street with that. >> as we think about the context here and black history month, it is interesting, and we were talking about this before we started, that the first big mma pay-per-view fight in 2010 between two african-american fighters got a lot of people talking, and i want to read from mma reporter ben folks about that event. he said, look, this fight is a delicate matter for the ufc and its fans, one fighter promised, quote, black on black crime, a prime example how the prefight hype can send the wrong message. you remember some of that. what do you think about that element here as we think about honoring african-american athletes? >> yeah, and i think with that quote, that was rampage jackson saying that quote, and i think it was more out of spite of more of comedy. i think people in the world can look at it as a negative situation, but it was just a little bit topped to hype it up.
rashad evans and rampage jackson are nice people, intelligent people, as well. i'm pretty sure people saw him say that, you know, black on black crime, probably look at it as a thug racial slur, but he was just making fun, and trying to be a great fight. >> do you think, and you, as well, do you think that's one of these debates that turns into the context because your reaction to that is to laugh and you understood it in a certain context, but other people maybe took it differently? >> definitely, you know, i didn't see the fight, but i heard about it, and i took it funny, you know, certain jokes, certain things people say you laugh at it, but understand concept. i didn't think too much. >> okay. go ahead. >> when you go back and watch the whole season of "the ultimate fighter" and when he came out, this is going to be some black on black crime, you can tell by his demeanor, yes, obviously, at the end of the day, those two were going to fight and it was the first headline, two black african-american males headlined in a ufc pay per view and it was successful, but we're all
people. it was just words said. >> i hear you on that. as we think about this, not only you guys are now, you are fighting now, doing this now, but it's also about history, and i want to put up on the screen other fighters that have broken barriers in history and athletics writ large, jesse owens winning gold in 1936, a huge challenge, nazi germany and seen as a breakthrough for black athletes and baseball, jackie robinson in '47. in boxing, jack johnson was the first black heavyweight champion, joe louis, heavyweight championship, holding it longer than anyone, and also a supreme court case that went up and took until the late '50s for our courts to weigh in after brown v. board, right, which was the schools. took longer than that to weigh in and actually say in the state of louisiana you couldn't have segregated boxing. what do you think as fighters today when you look at sort of, i don't know if you think about it this way, but people who have broken barriers potentially for
you? >> i think about all that time, you know, even nowadays, athletes breaking barriers, floyd mayweather, he's the highest paid athlete african-american in the world when it comes to combat in sports and he's undefeated, going to go down in history as one of the loud mouthed talking fighters, but could back it up, mohammed ali, anderson silva has broken barriers, he was an african-american mixed martial arts that drew big crowds, and he was brazilian, you know, he didn't even speak english and he had broken a lot of barriers for me and urijah, i believe. >> we had floyd at 30 rock once and he was much smaller than i expected. >> add five or ten more pounds on you. >> i knew he had a big punch, i didn't mention the size at all. congratulations. i like seeing the -- could we borrow that some time, how's that work? >> you can borrow it. you can take it. >> i don't know if i'm strong
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and we are looking live at the white house, waiting to hear from president obama. we expect the president should be out within the next hour. he's addressing, as we've been reporting, the nation's governors. we're going to bring that to you live on msnbc as soon as the president gets under way, and this is exciting, i have a programming note, something you may have heard about, exciting day at msnbc as we debut a brand new daytime lineup. you presumably already watched "the rundowdaily rundown" and c
jansing, with me guest hosting, but news nation and then andrea mitchell reports moves to noon, ronan farrow daily premiers today, 1:00 p.m. eastern, then for its first maiden voyage, the reid report at 2:00 p.m., rounds out with another show you may or may not have heard of called "the cycle." and then, "now" at 4:00. now you know what you need to know about the day's lineup. stay tuned for "news nation" with tamron hall up next. the h? uh-huh. yea. alright, whenever you get your stuff, run upstairs, get cleaned up for dinner. you leave the house in good shape? yea. yea, of course. ♪ [ sportscaster talking on tv ] last-second field go-- yea, sure ya did. [ male announcer ] introducing at&t digital life. personalized home security and automation. get professionally monitored security
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the president is expected to lobby republican governors to support the medicaid expansion. right now, 19 states do not support expanding medicaid. those states, by the way, include texas and louisiana. we will keep an eye on these events and bring you the very latest from the white house as soon as the president starts speaking. on to other news. first, we have developing news, in fact, from the supreme court, which just over an hour ago declined to take up a key issue in the debate over gun rights. the court choosing not to answer the question for now of whether the right to bear arms extends to public places. now this move is a setback for gun rights advocates, including the nra, which was behind two high profile challenges to the state and federal gun laws. nbc justice correspondent pete williams joins us now. we know the court made a ruling in 2008 regarding the second amendment and guarantee to possess a gun at a home for self