tv The Last Word With Lawrence O Donnell MSNBC February 26, 2014 10:00pm-11:01pm PST
have a great night. thing for arizona. and this time she did. >> after weighing all of the arguments, i have vetoed senate bill 1062 moments ago. >> governor jan brewer has vetoed the most controversial bill in the country. >> i took the necessary time to make the right decision. >> the increasing pressure on arizona governor jan brewer. >> the growing pressure on that state's governor. >> it does not address a specific or present concern. >> they're cloaking bigotry, per say, in the name of god. >> there is an easy thing for republicans to walk away from. >> a growing list of companies. >> it can boil down into a simple business argument. >> apple, intel, yelp, at&t and petsmart are all come out against this bill. >> our society is undergoing
many dramatic changes. >> we have to reach out and tell our stories. it's the only way we can break down the myths and the lies and the stereotypes that have been told for generations. >> after weighing all of the arguments,er i have vetoed senate bill 1062 moments ago. >> just before midnight east coast time last night, arizona governor jan brewer tweeted this, i assure you, as always, i will do the right thing for the state of arizona. tonight, she did. >> senate bill 1062 does not address a specific or present concern related to religious liberty in arizona. i have not heard one example in arizona where a business owner's religious liberty has been violated. the bill is broadly worded and could result in unintended and unnecessary consequences.
after weighing all the arguments, i have vetoed senate bill 1062 moments ago. >> then she spoke to some in her base. >> to the supporters of this legislation, i want you to know that long-held norms about marriage and family are being challenged as never before. our society is undergoing many dramatic changes. however, i sincerely believe that senate bill 1062 has the potential eto create more problems than it purports to solve. it could divide arizona in ways we could not even imagine and no one would ever want. religious liberty is a core american and arizona value. so is nondiscrimination. going forward, let's turn the ugliness of the debate over senate bill 1062 into a renewed search for greater respect and
understanding among all arizonians and americans. >> arizona's senior senator republican john mccain who supported a veto of the bill released this statement tonight. i appreciate the decision made by governor brewer to veto this legislation. i hope that we can now move on from this controversy and assure the american people that everyone is welcome to live, work and enjoy our beautiful state of arizona. joining me now, damian clinco, arizona's only openly gay state representative. luther lowe the director of public policy for yelp, and oscar-winning screen writer and lgbt activist dustin lance black. damian, i hesitate to introduce you that way as the only openly gay legislator in arizona. it's not the label that you want, as you've said, associated with you immediately when people
think of you. and you normally don't make any public reference to it at all. but this was one of those cases where you felt you had to bring your personal experience into a debate where, i guess it felt for you like simple reason and references to the constitution were not enough. >> you're absolutely right. i feel that, you know, talking about my sexuality on this platform really gave an opportunity to put a face to an issue. this whole debate, you know, i really hope that arizonians, foremost have woken up and they'll start to pay attention to the toxic legislation that moves through our house and senate on a regular basis. >> luther lowe, you're with yelp. what was this decision like at the corporate level to come out publicly and say we want this bill vetoed. what kind of meetings did you have to have? how many people needed to be collected within the company around this issue? >> sure, lawrence. well, you know, this moved very quickly through the house and
senate and arizona. and we're alerted to it frankly late last week by some of our concerned employees in scottsdale where we have a huge office, about 650 engrowing, about a third of our corporate employees globally. by friday evening we decided to circulate an e-mail with our executive team. by monday evening we had a draft of a letter that he put up on our blog on tuesday morning, imporing governor brewer. >> delta airlines in there, marriott, a lot of other corporations. you could have sat back. why get? >> you know, just the core issues of 1062 and the fact that to it was effectively legalizing discrimination in our state and arizona where so many of our employees lived and worked. and we really love scottsdale. it made it just unconscionable.
we decided, you know, this is something that we really can't sit on the sidelines over. and so that's why we decided to act. and of course, you know, we only played a small part. it was heartening to see other companies step forward and stand shoulder to shoulder with us. but, you know, we're thankful to governor brewer for not letting this terrible legislation pass in arizona. >> dustin lance black, set this for us within the history of the march for gay rights in this country. i'm not sure we've seen anything quite like this where there's a governmental move against gay rights and there's an uprising, i think like we've never seen before, because it included such powerful players in corporate america. >> yeah, we are starting to see much more of corporate america start to back diversity. and that diversity including gay and lesbian people. we saw that in the amicus briefs
that were filed there. corporations, businesses are saying hey, when you have more diversity in the room, you get more creative ideas. and more creative ideas are beneficial to these companies and they're beneficial to america. couch this in history, we've seen this group of people, these sort of people who are against equality first pose as advocates of psychiatry saying this should be a mental illness. they lost that battle. then pretended to advocate for children. gay and lesbian somehow hurt kids. science prove that wrong. then they went for the constitution and tried to amend it. now the supreme court isn't on their side at all. that's clear. they went back to the old stand by and standing behind god. the problem now is corporations like marriott, which is mormon-owned or mitt rom know knee who grew up in the same church i did, religious people are coming out saying no way, you have to veto this. and it is unmasking these people, not as people of god but
homophobes for what they truly, truly are. >> damian clinco, a week ago, we were not covering this story yet. you were going through what was the legislative defeat on this bill in the legislature there. it must have felt kind of lonely while you guys were fighting and losing this fight in the legislature. >> it certainly did. you know, to sit through a process and watch discrimination be passed through a body of government, to discriminate against any minority group anywhere in our country, particularly in our own state is incredibly disappointing. and it did feel very, very lonely. you know, it's incredible the outpouring of support from across this koun from corporations and businesses and individuals. but it's a real shame we're even in this point. 2014, decades after the civil rights movement in our country, here we are talking about
discrimination. and it's -- and legalizing it and sanctioning it in one of our states. it's really -- it's very disappointing that we're even in this debate now. >> luther lowe, there was a lot of money at stake for the businesses involved here. especially if the super bowl had to relocate. and the indications were they were probably going to relocate the super bowl if this thing passed. some of the corporations involved, the hotel corporations, the airline corporations, obvious financial incentives for them. for you it's a little bit more indirect at yelp. you do do a lot of restaurant recommendations, tourists use yelp a lot inform a lot of different ways. if we take away the financial indentive that yelp and other corporations had to see this bill vetoed, would we have seen the same kind of outpouring of corporate conscious? >> i think for yelp it was a little bit different.
we're part of the technology industry, and i feel a lot of the technology companies, like apple and intel, who also came out, you associate them with being a little bit more progressive. i think it was a combination of factors. sb-1062 was not aligned with our values and the values of reality in in, many people i could find after we announced our opposition to it. but also, i mean, we did have skin in the game. we got over 615 employees. we told governor brewer we hoped to add hundreds more within scottsdale. you know, it's going to be our second largest office. we love scottsdale and we want to stay there and so we're thankful that she chose to veto this bill. >> lance, what do you take from this? first this devastating legislative defeat, which was a real setback and ignoring of the constitution in the process. and then this rise of allies that you kind of -- you didn't know were there.
i don't think you would have thought -- you wouldn't bet a week ago the marriott corporation would step up this way or mitt romney would step on this. does it feel -- there's got to be a mix of emotions about what this feels like? >> it feels pretty good, lawrence, i'll be honest. it's really a testament, i've got to say, to people like representative clinco who's coming out and all of a sudden, i think most people -- in fact, i'm sure most people in this country now know that they know someone who is gay or lesbian. someone they work with, a family member, a neighbor. and so they see these bills and they have a real face to who's going to be hurt. and i think those are people who work in corporations, they work out there in the united states. that's why we're seeing this uprising of allies saying no way, you're not going to do that to my neighbor, you're not going to do that to my kid. and i really hope, because this legislation is not, you know, unique to arizona. there are other states that are
trying to pass this. i hope they look at arizona. and i can't believe i'm going to say this, i hope they follow the lead of governor brewer. >> governor brewer, mitt romney. what lance said about other states is very, very important. what would you say to legislators in other states wlor considering this legislation. you have republicans who voted for it and then said they regret it, they wish they hadn't. would you suggest to these supporters that they could end up in a very similar situation to what happened to those three republicans in your legislation? >> the message is really clear that the discrimination in this state or anywhere else in the country, people around the world have stood up and said this is not acceptable in 2014, anywhere in this country. it gives me a sense of optimism for the future of this issue.
>> state representative damian clinco, it's only appropriate that you get the last word in this segment tonight. thank you very much. for joining us throughout this story as we' been following it. luther lowe and dustin lance black, friend of the show. thank you for coming back in. thank you very much for joining us. arizona, as lance said was not the only state considering such a law. the battleground for the so-called religious expression bills. and later, chris christie was forced to take on some questions tonight about the bridge scandal on a radio program in new jersey and big surprise, he contradicted himself once again. ♪
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careful evaluation and deliberate consideration and especially to senate bill 1062. i call them like i see them. despite the tears or the boos from the crowd. i took the necessary time to make the right decision. as governor, i have asked questions and i have listened. i have protected religious freedoms when there is a specific and present concern that exists in our state. and i have the record to prove it. >> even as governor jan brewer is trying to put sb-1062 behind the times in arizona, other states are currently considering similar legislation including georgia, mississippi and utah. joining me now, richard wolffe. the politics for this for governor brewer, you could almost read between the lines of that statement very, very well, carefully written statement that included a careful message to brewer's hard core supporters
who would support this kind of legislation. >> sure. arizona is a state in flux. it's not a coincidence that in '08 and '12, the obama campaigns in those years looked very closely at the end about putting extra money in because they thought arizona might be gettable. is it more like utah or more like new mexico? this is a country in flux and this is a state in flux. she's not the world's most skillful politician, but actually she was quite powerful tonight. and i think there is some part of the arizona political brain here that's working overtime saying how can i bridge this divide? this isn't the deep south. it's not like my state is moving and the koun trif is moving in a different direction. arizona is moving where the rest of the country is. how can you keep the old political blocs together? she wrestled with that in public today. >> we have seen republican-controlled legislations around the country seeming to work from the same playbook on voting rights
issues, on cracking down on public employee labor unions, that sort of thing. is this one of those? what's happening in other states on this kind of legislation? >> well, i think what we're going so see is people learning from this arizona experience. you saw a real national push in the republican party to kill this move. what republicans were really afraid of was in the case of arizona opponents would bring a ballot initiative and have a fight in november over repealing this law. it would energize democratic voters. it would bring money in the state, possibly jeopardize the republicans holding on to the governorship this year. i think the other republicans will say we don't want to draw attention to ourselves. there's no upside in this as we saw from arizona. so i think you have these bills pending in state legislatures, but i do think governments learn from each ore. i don't think this is a fight that is worth picking. >> this came up today.
let's listen to how it came up. >> does it undercut our moral posture, telling uganda and other countries, putin for instance, human rights abuses against people for reasons of their sexuality when one of our states is about to do this? unless it's vetoed by the governor. >> we'll see whether the governor vetoes it. i'm count on the governor. i cannot imagine how that law would withstand the scrutiny of the supreme court of the united states. i hope she'll make the right decision. >> the governor did stop it, as of tonight, but anders had a real good point. we heard putin and other russian officials completely get it wrong about what's going on in this country on these kinds of things. but they're using these little germs like this and turning them into something that isn't there because republican legislatures are giving them these kinds of things. >> we are. it's a big country. there are lots of different
pieces. maybe people who are more skeptical or opposing america's interest around the world can cherry pick what they want. having said that, just take western europe. america is way out ahead of even countries that might be considered more forward leaning and progressive. at least socially. you have spain, a catholic conservative country voting for same-sex marriage, ahead of the uk, which might consider itself more international. these are unpredictable flows in social culture and change. and america is way out ahead of many other countries that would like to think of themselves as very contemporary. russia could do what it likes. we're not talking about the religious conflicts that are playing out in uganda politics and african politics in general. there's a lot to be proud of in what this country has done for equal rights specifically around same-sex and lgbt issues. yes, there are parts of the country that still have a journey to travel, but i don't think john kerry is going to have difficult fi in explaining
america's position when it comes to equal rights. >> josh, these things get pushed in the republican legislatures by the ted cruz wing of republicanism, which is number one, we don't care about the party. number two, we just want to cast this vote. we don't care. we would like to win, but if we don't win, it's important for us to cast this vote saying we want this. how is anyone going to be able to suppress that in the republican legislatures? >> i think it's happened in arizona right now. i think you're seeing in ohio, the bill that was proposed has been withdrawn by its sponsors. there are certain things that have tremendous grassroots energy behind them on the right. where there's resistance, business group, certain national politicians like mitt romney trying to push the party to the center on this issue. in some cases you get a lot of pushback. i think there's a real distinction to be drawn in arizona. people look at sb-1070, the
anti-immigration bill. why did she veto this but sign that. sb-1070 is popular in arizona. she's been a real survivor. made a lot of very smart political choices and held on to a governorship that she probably should have flost 2010. most people wouldn't have been able to thread the needle she did. in this case she was making a move that was correct on the policy merits and fop lar. people in arizona wanted her to veto this bill and she did. >> talk about the pushback from republicans against a veto. the most prominent republicans we were hearing from in arizona were the senators who wanted the veto, and those three republicans who voted for it and changed their minds. i dependent hear -- >> they just wanted it to go away. this is not something where you have a really vocal portion of the party that, like ted cruz is willing to die on this. there are certainly some, but
it's not going to drive the party. >> quickly, richard. >> this only came up because people paid attention. and the kind of politics, even a couple of years ago without social media, without our attention, honestly, they would have gotten away with it. check the box, the base is happy and no one would have paid attention. >> they got away with it until we focused on it, we the national media. thank you both very much for joining me tonight. >> coming up, a new jersey radio program tonight, chris christie changes his story once again. and in the rewrite tonight, it was celebrity day on capitol hill. we saw another episode of mr. affleck goes to washington and mr. rogan goes to washington. captain obvious: i'm in a hotel.
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>> in the spotlight tonight, chris christie takes the unavoidable questions about the george washington woodrow wilson bridge lane closures. christie appeared tonight on new jersey's 101.5's ask the governor radio show. before the governor took caller questions, host eric scott asked him about his former deputy chief of staff bridget kelly. >> what about the situation with bridget kelly, though. you said you were angry when you read about her e-mails to wildstein. you said you personally fired her. >> no, i did not say that. >> you did not -- >> i ordered it. >> i'm sorry, you personally ordered her firing. did you have no face to face with her on that day snf. >> no. >> so there was no opportunity for you to pull her aside and say what was going on? >> eric, by that time it was
evident from the e-mails what was going on. and it was not appropriate for me to have those conversations. >> because? >> because there was obvious legal consequences going on potentially for her and for others. and by the way, on december 12 and 13th, she was questioned extensively by her superiors and said she had no knowledge, no involvement, no e-mails, nothing. if someone is not going to tell you the truth, they don't tell you the truth. what are you going to do? grab them by the ankles and shake them upside down? till e-mails fall out of their pocket? come on, let's not be hysterical about this. >> here's chris christie during that press conference last month. >> i have not had any conversations with bridget kelly since the e-mail came out. she was not given the opportunity to explain to me why she had lied because it was so obvious she had. and i'm quite frankly not interested in the explanation at
the moment. it's my judgment for me to get involved with someone who the chairman said he's going to call as a witness between the time i discovered this and the time that she may testify would be not the right thing for me to do. >> tampering with a witness thing? >> i certainly wouldn't tamper with a witness but i could be accused of tampering with the witness. >> since chris christie missed the opportunity to ask her the questions, bridget kelly has refused to submit documents subpoenaed and invoking her fifth amendment right and fourth amendment privacy rights. former port authority deputy executive director bill baroni who resigned in december has handed over documents to the investigative committee, but he, too, has never been questioned by chris christie himself. here's chris christie defending that decision tonight. >> even as that study was starting to fall apart, did you not feel compelled to pick up the phone and say bill, what's going on here?
>> you look at everything through the prism of what you know after january 8. >> admittedly. >> but you're talking about a time that was before january 8. >> we're going through an internal investigation, all of this stuff will come out over an appropriate period of time. and i'm not going to give into the hysteria of questions that are given by folks who have information today that i didn't have at the time that you're talking about why didn't i ask certain questions. i mean, i didn't ask the questions because i didn't think they needed to be asked. >> joining me now, editor of "the bergen record." and the co-host of msnbc "the cycle." christie said i didn't think the questions needed to be asked, which is what he said on the day he announced he fired bridget kelly. he said i didn't think there was any reason to ask her any questions. tonight he then says at another point, and talking about bridget
kelly, he said he thought it was completely obvious what had happened. well, no it wasn't. her e-mail, obviously, we all know is the middle of a conversation. you want to know bridget, what preceded that. that's what everyone in new jersey now wants to know. >> i think part of what have he's saying today on that radio program he would have been smarter to have said during the news conference on january 9, which is there's a criminal investigation going on, i felt it was inappropriate for me to ask those questions. i want to know the answers. if he had actually just said i want to know the answers -- >> but there wasn't a criminal investigation going on at the time of the press conference. none. >> well, there was definitely the -- >> the legislative investigation was going on about lane closure, but that's regular government business. >> i would give him this much, that as a former u.s. attorney that at the point that e-mail becomes public, that's a flag. something is going to happen.
but he didn't respond the way he should have responded. >> no. i would grant him that, too. if he stuck with just one explanation during the press conference, which is i didn't want to be seem to be interfering with a criminal investigation. which eventually an hour later in the press conference he worked his way around to. and if he would just stay with that every day on this question, you go okay, i get it. that might or might not be true, but it's an answer that's kind of bullet proof. but he keeps changing the answers and juggling the little factoids and falsehoods within his answers. he should be able to keep that simple part of his story straight. if he's telling the truth. >> and this is the piece for a lot of people really doesn't make sense about christie's approach here. this is not an uncurious man. this is not a stupid man. so yeah, the right response is of course i want to know. and of course i want to understand why these people who i worked so closely with would
take this extreme and potentially illegal measure of closing down a bridge for some political retribution. he goes on to say in that press conference that he doesn't even understand why they would link it to the endorsement of the mayor of ft. lee because he doesn't remember having really sought that endorsement. he's saying this part of it doesn't make sense and yet he's not curious enough to want to get those answers either from bridget kelly or bill baroni. that part doesn't add up. this is the man who wants to get to the bottom of this more than anyone else. if he's telling the troou, that he really was not involved, one thing that would make this thing partly go away is if he had some sort of coherent explanation for how his staff could have been doing this, why his staff would have been doing this and him having absolutely no involvement. >> you said the christie choice for the chairman of the port authority should resign. let's listen to what christie said about david samson tonight.
>> there was one other thing that was in the new york news this week that i wanted to talk to you ant. it goes back to your port authority. the top port authority employee david sam mon was the target of patrick foye. foye was asked, if samson had the moral authority to lead the agency and he flat-out said no. but then wouldn't elaborate on it any further. do you still sand by samson as your appointee? >> strongly, firmly. i disagree with pat foye. >> so he stand strongly and firmly with an appointee who your newspaper, you, say should be forced to resign. >> yeah. i think, you know, if we don't look at the missteps, this was a huge misstep on the part of the governor's. by this point today, now that we know what we know, i think he should say, david samson has been a loyal friend of mine, i have a lot of faith in him, but there's been so many conflicts of interest. leave the gwb scandal aside,
which samson says he knew nothing about. he said that to me personally that he knew nothing about. he did not recuse himself from a vote for a use of a pass station in harrison, which is new -- near newark. he had a client that was going to benefit from a real estate deal. >> he still works for the law firm making huge amounts of money for the law firm. yeah, you get to do that in this job. have as many outside jobs as you want. >> that's wild. >> just for those conflicts, for somebody who was this no nonsense, going to turn trenton upside down kind of guy. he should say samson should step down. >> and let's go to the e-mail that sam son wrote when he cannot deny that he did not know about the bridge. and that's when patrick foye stopped what was going on at the bridge. and samson wrote an e-mail that said i just read it and confirms
evidence of foye stirring up trouble. he ends the e-mail in true gangster style saying in this case he's playing in traffic. made a big mistake. that is is the gangster of the guy chris christie just said he has full faith in after newspapers have been calling for his resignation. >> yeah. and again, if we give samson the total benefit of the doubt that he knew nothing about what was going on and that he wasn't involved in any way, this happened directly under him. this happened on his watch at the port authority. and christie is standing right by him and saying yes, this is going on. >> samson knew about it the day that it was ordered to be stopped. and then he did nothing about it. >> and he's angry about it being leaked to the media. he's actually not angry about the traffic being blocked in ft. lee. it's very personal. they don't like each other.
foye doesn't like samson and samson doesn't like foye. but that's not the response of a chairman. >> thank you both very much for joining me tonight. coming up in "the rewrite" seth rogan, ben affleck and the united states senate. ameriprise asked people a simple question: in retirement, will you outlive your money? uhhh. no, that can't happen. that's the thing, you don't know how long it has to last. everyone has retirement questions. so ameriprise created the exclusive.. confident retirement approach. now you and your ameripise advisor can get the real answers you need.
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to get the job done. first i should answer the question i assume many of you are asking. yes, i'm aware that his nothing to do with the legalization of marijuana. >> best joke i've ever heard in a senate hearing. it was celebrity day on capitol hill. seth rogan testified to the senate appropriations subcommittee about the rising costs of alzheimer's disease. >> after forgetting who she and her loved ones were, my mother in law, a teacher for 35 years forgot how to speak, feed herself, dres herself and go to her bathroom herself, all by the age of 60. unlike any of the other top ten causes of death in america, there's no way to prevent, cure or even slow the progression of alzheimer's disease.
>> that's where .celebrity testimony is usually the most helpful. at otherwise obscure appropriations hearings about how much money we should devote to a particular problem. we would not even know that there was a senate hearing today involving the rising costs of alzheimer's for patients if seth rogan or someone else of his visibility level had not testified. in another senate hearing room today, there was a hearing titled prospects for peace in the democratic republic of congo and great lakes region, which would have attracted no news cameras and no news reports and very few senators if ben affleck wasn't one of the witnesses scheduled to testify. foreign policy.com posted a story about the hearing before it began under the deliberately provocative title, ben affleck to testify before congress as an africa expert. the piece found an anonymous republican staffer at the house foreign affairs committee saying
that they turned down an opportunity to hear ben affleck testify to that committee on the same subject because, quote, people serious about resolving problems, especially problems related to life and death want to have serious conversations with experts and leaders in the field. not celebrities. well, what if the celebrity is a leader in the field? and what if the celebrity is an expert. and oh, by the way, what is an expert exactly? there is no academic degree that confers expertise about the democratic republic of congo. and hearings in both the house and the senate frequently involve witnesses who make absolutely no claim on expertise. ben affleck has as a solid a claim on the word expert to describe his knowledge of the situation that he discussed today that you could have in a senate hearing, but he specifically disallowed the word expert to apply to himself.
>> thank you for inviting me here today. my name is ben affleck. i'm an actor and a director and the founder of the eastern congo initiative, a grant-making advocacy organization working with people in eastern congo. i am to state the obvious not a congo expert. >> i have attended literally hundreds of senate hearings and i have heard hundreds of witnesses at senate hearings with farless expertise on the subject under discussion than ben affleck. ben affleck created the eastern congo initiative with the mission to create opportunities social and economic development there. he travels to the drc regularly and has more and better current information about what's happening in that country than any senator on the foreign relations committee. and the senators know that. and so none of the senators tried to trip up ben affleck or expose gaps in his knowledge of the subject at that hearing
because none of them could do that. and they knew they couldn't. here's a typical sample of ben affleck handling the senate's questions today. >> how do you think we can most constructively support security sector perform, protection of civilians while also not giving an open-ended blank check going forward? >> one things, it allows cabilla to have his cake and eat it, too. we want other armies in our country, never a solution. but also it sort of keeps him afloat in many ways. you know, you're at the mercy of the host country. there you are, but you've got to work with -- which is why they are embedded with the frdc or put in a morally tenuous commission because now they commit abuses. what are you supposed to do? the population grew to resent ways in which manusco, when you say we're going to protect you from civilians, you may be doing it nine out of ten time, but the
time it doesn't happen, people become quite resentful, particularly if they're not your countryman. >> i don't know about you, but there were a bunch of references that ben affleck made there that i didn't understand because i've never been to the drc. so i'm not an expert on the democratic republic of the congo. and affleck is. >> i thank all three of the witnesses here today. and i thank them for their expertise. from time to time we have people who have some celebrity status that come and testify here. you are imminently qualified to give us the benefit of your experience and knowledge, and i think that your credibility is really remarkable because of the depth of your commitment. i thank you. >> thank you, senator. ♪ [ girl ] my mom, she makes underwater fans
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>> do we know where yanukovych is? >> i'm not going to speculate. >> shouldn't he be prosecuted for war crimes? >> i'm not going to speculate on any accountability. jennerically, we believe that anybody who made a decision or anybody who created these several days of government violence against their own people ought to be held accountable. but the first thing that has to happen is to establish a new government. >> joining me now is david rogue. he is a two-time pulitzer prize winner. this is what the nsa does. we know that they are listening to foreign leaders and what they're up to. in there's no foreign leader they were more interested in last week than yanukovych. >> do we think the nsa lost him
in these movement isn't that so that we described running around the country last night? >> i think so. they really, it seems to have gone cold. he might be in moscow, but officials there denied it. it's really unclear what's happening. >> does that settle whether he's in moscow or not? they denied it? >> no. and what's clear is that yanukovych is very, very unpopular in ukraine even in his hometown. putin might not want to embrace him yet because that could turn them more and more against the russians. >> putin launching military exercises near the ukraine border. the biggest since the soviet union. also secession talk? >> there was pro russia demonstration. 24e79 us to become part of russia again. the demonstrations are classic sort of the putin sabre rattling. and there's some republicans in the u.s. saying that obama needs to be tougher.
we need more reagan-style rhetoric, standing up to putin. people in the administration tell me that's going to exacerbate the situation. it will bring up the announcement he made earlier to the movie "rocky iv" analogy. >> let's listen how "rocky iv" got into this. >> we're hoping that russia will not see this as sort of a continuation of the cold war. we don't see it that way. we do not believe this should be an east-west, russia-united states. this is not "rocky iv." believe me. >> the fact that he's seen "rocky iv" that was the big shocking news of the day for me. everyone is wondering when does this -- when does it move into a glacial kind of cold war situation here. >> i had an adviser to mitt romney in the 2012 campaign say that events have proven mitt
romney right. mitt romney said the graeest geopolitical threat was russia. the obama administration saying don't go there. mccain is saying you need to say that. you need to stand up there. it sounds very much like standing up to the soviets. if putin continues with these operations, the military operations, it will put pressure on the obama administration to do something. today they offered $1 billion in loan guarantees. not $1 billion. a week ago, putin was offering $15 billion in cash, no strings attached. >> but who are you offering the $1 billion to? that's why everybody has to be a little bit snow in what their offers are? >> this interim government. half protesters, half veteran politicians. it's always messy after these revolutions. can this turn from a street movement into an effective new government. that's what's not clear yet. i get the sense putin is waiting. he thinks a new government could become unpopular as economic
problems mount. and then he'll make his move when there's a chance to exploit that. ted cruz secedes from the union. let's play "hardball." good evening i'm chris matthews in washington. let me start with this. american demaekeracy has rested on the people's changing loyalties between two major political parties, like two teams taking their turns at bat. for a century and a half we have chosen either a democrat or republican to be our president. what if one of the two parties goes ballistic heading so far off the spectrum it is no longer competing for the must just of