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jimmy fallon on the tonight show. steven colbert on cbs. honestly, we are lucky in this country to be living in this golden age of genius people who are this good at their jobs doing this work for us every night. it's exciting. that does it. tomorrow night, 9:00 p.m., why we did it. hope you will tune in. now time for "the last word with lawrence o'donnell." have a great night. president obama said he wouldn't be where he is today without the work of civil, the civil rights movement and president lyndon banes johnson. and steven colbert would not be going where he is going were it not for david letterman. >> progress in this country can be hard and slow. >> president obama set to address the civil rights summit today in austin, texas. >> the focus of three days of reflection on the history since that time. >> the voting rights act. >> immigration reform. >> fair housing act. >> in kid ration of what should happen next. >> the next frontier for civil
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rights. >> equality required more than absence of oppression. >> obama wants equality in the work place. that makes no sense. why would i stare at a man's chest. >> we have big news from the world of late night tv. >> a new contender for the king of late night, steven colbert, the next host of the late show. >> i live my life by a scorched earth policy. >> colbert will play himself. >> this was my enemy. now i have his head. >> not the character he plays on comedy central. >> no longer is comedy going to be a covert assault. >> rush limbaugh says cbs has declared war. >> cbs just declared war on the heartland of america. >> what you just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things i have ever heard. >> that's what i think. cool. fine. >> the keynote address at civil
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rights summit this week at l.b.j. library delivered by the 44th president of the united states who expressed his gratitude to the 36th president of the united states. >> because of the civil rights movement, because of the laws president johnson signed, new doors of opportunity and education swung open for everybody. not all at once, but, but they swung open. not just blacks and whites. but also women. and latinos. asians. and native americans. and gay americans. and americans with a disability. they swung open for you. and they swung open for me. that's why i am standing here today because of those efforts. because of the legacy. >> president obama quoted president johnson sparingly today. president johnson was not the gifted public speaker that barack obama is or that martin
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luther king jr. was or jack kennedy. few people who lived through the johnson era can quote a single johnson line. but none of them forget j.f.k.s inaugural line ask not what your country can do for you ask what you can do for your country. none of them forget richard nextson being forced to say i am not a crook. none of them forget martin luther king jr.'s, i have a dream speech. there is no singular defining rhetorical moment that we all share as a memory of the johnson presidency but president obama clearly has a favorite. he quoted it today. when in a speech off to congress urging the psing of the voting -- passing of the voting rights act, lbj recalled days as a school teacher in texas where few of his students could speak english and he couldn't speak spanish. his students were poor and often came to class without breakfast
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and hungry. president obama quoted the part of the speech where lbj told congress it never occurred to me in my fondest dreams that i might have the chance to help the sons and daughters of those students. when president obama finished the quote in which he also included lbj sharing a little secret with congress, president obama said, that was lbj's greatest. that's why we remember him. it was certainly lbj's most personal speech as president. 50 years ago, politicians and presidents did not have handleders who were constantly urging them to personalize everything they said. and lbj did so very rarely. here is the original version of what president obama calls l.b.j.'s greatest. >> i often walked home late in the afternoon after the classes were finished. wishing there was more that i
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could do. but all i knew was to teach them the little that i knew. hoping that it might help them against the hardships that lay ahead. some how you never forget what poverty and hatred can dupe when you see its scars on the hopeful face of a young child. i never thought then in 1928 that i would be standing here in 1965. it never occurred to me in my fondest dreams that i might have the chance to help the sons and daughters of those students and to help people like them all over this country. but now i do have that chance.
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and i will let you in on a secret. i mean to use it. >> joining me now is isabelle wilkerson author of "the warmth of other sons" and "washington post's" e.j.dion. i want to begin getting your reaction to president obama's speech today? >> i thought it was magnificent to see the president of the united states who is in some ways of the embodiment of the ideals of the civil rights act that we are commemorating today. and through word he acknowledged t the -- the role of history and
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importance this played in his own life, his wife's life and also in every family in the united states, that benefited from this law in ways we might not imagine. and he also spoke to -- to the enduring perhaps even most important part of this law. and that was that it -- opened the doors for so many people and that it actually stood there as a portal, you might say to open the hearts and mind of people as much as the law itself. >> there has been a lot of glorifying of lbj this week. that's what presidential libraries are for. that seems to be their core mission. and there was president obama today talking about lbj and civil rights movement. but he could not do a real discussion of that without including some of lbj's history on this subject before he became president. let's listen to that. >> now, like any of us he was not a perfect man.
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his experiences in rural texas may have stretched his moral imagination, but he was ambitious. very ambitious. of a young man in a hurry to plot his own escape from poverty. and to chart his own political career. in the jim crow south that meant not challenging convention. during his first 20 years in congress he opposed every civil rights bill that came up for a vote. once calling the push for federal legislation, a farce and a shame. he was chosen as a vice presidential nomineen part of his affinity with an ability to deliver that southern white vote. >> e.j. dion, a note of reality about the road traveled by l.b.j. to eventually signing the civil rights act. >> you know, it its very rare that one politician will acknowledge of another or of any
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of us as human beings that we are flawed, we do some things sometimes for our own interests, and not -- not for some higher cause that we later get associated with. i just think it is wonderful for a politician to acknowledge sin. with the amazing thing, isabelle just said. here its the most successful politician of our moment acknowledging his debt to a group of politicians of 50 years ago, and who were imperfect, who did things for all kind of reasons other than the lofty. who nonetheless, were able to pass a piece of legislation that fundamentally transformed our country and transformed it for the better. i remember that time i was very young. people would say, you can't led legislate morality. the opponents of the civil rights bill would say. in fact they did legislate morality. they fundamentally altered the kind of racist leaning that the
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country had had for so long. and they not only made certain things unacceptable by law, but all, but over time they made racism unacceptable. and most of us now believe that that is the case. and that's partly because of this imperfect group of politicians who pass that bill. >> isabelle, there is a lot of discussion about where the credit belongs. and president obama certainly wasn't exclusively giving credit to lbj today. he kept mentioning the civil rights movement and the civil rights movement pushing politicians like lbj. and in some sense, pushing them into a corner. how would you -- assign credit for where we got in 1964, 1965. >> when you think about where the country was at that time. where -- where the, into the 1960s, you were, the south was essentially gripped in what can only be called a cast system in which every single thing that an
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individual could do, in that part of the country was determined what they looked like and the caste into which they had been born. so many basic things people could not do. they were -- there were separate staircases for people to walk up. there were separate telephone booths. everything you can imagine was segregated. to have a world of that extremi extremity. recognize that that was the world they were in. and here this was this potential to create this entire new way of, of being in our country. it would take far more than one person to do it. take far more than one branch of government. it meant every single thing, every aspect of our country in some ways had to come together. the entire experience in some ways was a kind of miracle when you think about it. it also took the mass relocation of people from the south, the $6 million people who, who fled the
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south. to get to the north and the west. those people were a referendum on the conditions in that part of our country. by their leaving, they also created a whole new class of -- of new voters who did not exist before. putting so many precious on the north and the south to ultimately change. so it took it from all points of our country. to make this happen. >> such an important point. isabelle chronicles in the book. migration from the south and north. other regions where suddenly the northern senators and, congressmen, had new constituents who cared about an issue that -- that those northern representatives might not have had to pay attention to. >> right. african-american voters mattered a lot to carrying illinois. they mattered a lot to carrying pennsylvania and new york. and to become president, politicians needed to carry those states. that made a difference. and a movement, as just a single
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person, is important to all the social change in our history. lincoln could not have done what he dead witho he did without the abolitionists. fdr couldn't have done all he did without the union movement though he was not a member of the union movement. don't think lbj could have done what he did. without a mass civil rights movement. built out of the have riff c african-american churches, involving the movements in the country. movements are central to social change. politicians who want to do something will do what they can if the movement lets them do it. >> isabelle wilkerson, e.j. dion thank you for your perspective on this tonight. thank you for joining us. >> thank you. >> coming up kathleen sa bealeb is resigning.
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>> cbs has just declared war on the heartland of america. there is a -- here is -- no longer is comedy going to be a covert assault on traditional american values, conservative, now wide out in the open. >> what you just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things i have ever heard. in no point in your rambling in coherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. >> up next, one of the men you just saw will join me to talk about stephen colbert succeeding
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the late show. releasing a statement today saying i won't be doing the show in character, because we'll find out how much of him was me. i am looking forward to it. and later, david letterman said, stephen has ben a real friend to me, i am excited for him and flattered that cbs chose him. i also happen to know they wanted another guy with glasses. and jimmy fallon tweeted his welcome to network late night and also congarage late er cong his name, jimmy colbert. joining me, former head writer of "saturday night live," and late night with david letterman here on nbc. and as you saw some times actor jim downy. also with us bill carter, national media reporter for "the new york times." he is the author of the "late shift." jim, you told me after the first week of your, you know all these guys, close, friends with all of
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them. the first week of jimmy fallon's new hosting of the tonight show. you predicted to me that dave would soon announce he wasn't going to stay. >> right. just -- that first, that first week, of seeing all that energy. from jimmy fallon. and knowing that he was just down the street from dave. su something, it flashed mine head that dave is going to, like johnny carson, you know, about the same age. he is the same age as john gee when heap retired. i figured that, i just -- i just guessed. it turns out right. i want to snow bill the new job requirement for late night established by jimmy fallon. that is you have got to be able to sing and dance. stephen colbert can do that. we have a clp ip of him with jiy
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fallon. let's take a look at that. ♪ friday friday living on a friday everybody lives for the weekend weekend ♪ ♪ friday friday ♪ >> bill, it began with stephen colbert carrying the song, no one on stage. you look at the energy jim was talking about, jimmy fallon brings to this. these guys, jay, dave, sitting behind the desk asking the questions. this is the -- >> the last generation. this is newt generation. what jimmy fallon is doing,
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paying off already, making it a high energy more variety show. a lot of singing, dancing, lot of clever bits with the guests instead of interviewing them. playing games. i expect colbert. people don't realize this. he has the skills. he really does. he performed in company with the new york philharmonic in the lead male role. he has the chops to do that. >> jim, i was speaking to robert morton today former producer of, of dave's show, back when you were there at the nbc side. and when they want to cbs. and he says you guys tried to always get the guests to do something the way jimmy does now. sing, dance, do something. but they started it, it started to wear thin pretty quickly because they're all on these busy junkets, hard to get them to cooperate in the performance isn't it? >> in the early years of late night. we were, not kidded a hot spot.
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also dave. dave himself was a little more restrained in the days. if you watch some of those first couple years of late night when i was there. compared to dave, you know, of the late 90s and today. you would be shocked. definitely, jimmy fallon, another notch up. he is more, got a sort of sammy davis junior kind of, you know, high energy show business performance thing. i agree with what bill and you said. steven colbert. a lot of us have known him a long time. have sort of regretted the fact he has been locked into one character for these years. because there are a lot of people who have no idea what a great performer he is. i wanted to pay real homage to david letterman. a lot of people have seen him asking questions behind the desk for the last several years. don't remember how edgy and different this one. and, jim, i will show a clip of velcro man which you will
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remember, this was sandy franks idea. and joe toplin working as a team back then in the early days of the letterman show when it was here at nbc. let avenue look at velcro man with -- let's look at velcro man with david letterman. >> now, have you ever done anything like this? >> i haven't, no. >> a drum roll. i will hit the wall and stay there, right? >> theoretically. yes. go high. high has i can go. i can't -- i can't --
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there is -- there is very little i can do from this position. bill, that was the weirdest, funniest stuff on tv in those days. >> dave was inventive. many of the things he did. everybody else copied. all the visits to places. taking cameras into places. he did all that. invented that. a high energy show in those days, which is what jim was saying. fallon brought that back, really. >> jim downy, bill carter, thank you very much for joining me tonight. >> lawrence, lawrence. >> yes, jim, go ahead. >> i am sure you have something very important to say. >> i tried really hard to think of a tie-in to the chris christie thing. i just couldn't come up with anything. >> all right, nice try. that's very good. thank you very much. all right, thank you, jim. thank you, bill. coming up next -- secretary of health and human services, kathleen sebelius decided to leave the obama administration. and later, the latest on the
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signed up for private insurance through the market place. as of this week, 400,000 additional americans have signed up and we expect that number to continue to grow. >> that was the big news in health and human services secretary kathleen sebelius' testimony to the finance committee. tonight, nbc news confirmed that kathleen sebelius in the obama cabinet since the beginning is resigning. president obama is expected to nominate office of management and budget director sylvia matthews burwell to replace her. joining me now, reporter from "the new york times" who interviewed secretary sebelius today. also with us chuck todd, nbc news, chief white house correspondent. chuck, this news -- it makes, leaves me wondering, has this been something that was planned
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and then delayed because of the bumpy rollout of the affordable care act. they didn't want tight look like it was associated with some of the failures in the rollout of the affordable care act? they will not say this was planned. i can tell you talking to plenty of officials they have lost confidence in her at least politically. i say politically here, because as you know these are a couple different jobs sunny had to do. but they have lost all confidence in her. as a public face for the health care law. quite some time ago. and that is when the decision had been made in some form that they needed to do something about this after enrollment. now -- it was never a done deal. even during that time. but the president, itch you recall, was always very careful with his words. when asked numerous times during the really rough period of the rollout. october, november. including the interview i did with him. he did not express confidence in
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her, perfectly. just said. we are going to take a look at how everything was running. what happened after the fact. after enrollment is done. we hatch off to get this done. if enrollment went well. the re's the, if enrollment went well. they believe, more coverage to do this. if enrollment hadn't gone well. things were getting battlered. last thing they would want to do was deal with confirmation hearing in some cases. this was politically they had lost confidence in her months ago. and it is just they didn't want to deo anything to disrupt the fix. all you can dupe o is see it. they can say the secretary wasn't forced out. she didn't do a single television. after the daily show debacle interview with jon stewart. pretty much the last time you saw her do a public interview with any national reporter on any national stage. time of theg
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announcement, march 31, april 1, april 2nd. sunny was physically there in the rose garden. but never got a shot out from the president which was noted. she never had a role. wasn't standing next to him. that wasn't an accident. >> michael, once they got the affordable care act website standing up and running reliably. it seemed she had regained her stride in congress any way in terms of dealing with the congressional committees. that she had to respond to. she seemed as confident as any health and human services secretary hive have seen in the committees? >> yeah, sure. but of course it is easier to face the committees when the news is good rather than when the news is bad. the numbers did start improving. january, february, in march when, when they actually hit their target. you know, i talked to dennis mcdone na, the chief of staff today, about her departure.
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he said one of the things the president always really admired despite the fact that i agree with chuck that, that lost sort of a political confidence in her. they always admired and the president always admired, according to, dennis mcdonough, her fierce advocacy on behalf of the law, she was a fighter that she never backed down. and when i talked to her today, i asked her the stravery questi. did you worry if you receive signed a few months ago it would look like you were resigning in pressure. sure the narrative will be out there. but she always sort of assumed that around now she would leave. that she wouldn't be here to turn out the lights in 2017. >> michael, this is also one of the logical points. in an administration where cabinet members leave. we saw, him ear clintllary clin the first term. this would be, overlapping certainly into the second term. but it is a very long run for -- for a cabinet member. not sure off the top of my head,
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what the average tenure is at hhs, it is less than the time she served. >> she is one of the last, i think only five others beside her who have been here since the beginning. and look, as chuck said. i remember when chuck asked jay carnie last week this question where is kathleen sebelius, do you all still have confidence in her. and carnie said you are reading to much into it. clearly the writing had been on the wall. she started conversations with the president beginning of march. >> chuck todd, does the white house expect that this will kind of create yet another kind of positive new start for affordable care act? >> it is possible. but you know there is a political risk here, lawrence. we were just -- i will be honest with you. talking about our lead tomorrow. one of the things we were talking about is, here all of a sudden the white house had gone, a good ten days without health care being, you know, they want
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health care in the rearview mirr mirror. they don't sit here and believe in campaign 14. they know health care isn't necessarily ever going to turn into an asset for them in time for the 2014. but they would look to -- lessen the hostility towards the law. they do believe there is fatigue out there among some people about this constant fight on health care law. so the down side of making this switch, at the time they're making it, is that you know this confirmation hearing. though, sylvie naburwell, she g a smooth confirmation hearing. been through the process. been very vetted. republicans are going to see a political opportunity here to do a drum beat on health care again. that is political risk they're taking. but again, i go back to what i have been told by plenty of senior aides about, about kathleen sebelius.
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happy with her loyalty. happy with the product she developed. but they thought her management skills and instincts about the people she picked to run the enrollment and run the law. that's where they lost confidence in her. they have another. you know the next. next round is, could just as important as this one. when they start open enrollment again in november. what are they going to be? how high? did want a new team in place. plenty of time to get ready for november. >> michael, what was her mood today when you were talking to her? >> you know it was surprisingly upbeat. she, you know, asked her, whether she thought she would, you know, what she would miss or what she would regret, what regrets she had. he said she don't have hey lot of regrets. obviously that's a -- you know that is maybe putting a positive spin on it. but she was -- she said, look, i, i, am going to go back to kansas. my husband is a judge back
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there. i have my youngest son is, getting married. at the end of the month. end of may. and you know, i really got the sense as much as she probably is frustrated with leaving under the kind of cloud that she is leaving with all of the political baggage. that she is also, there has to be a since of relief there. this is, she has been in the trenches, you know since the very beginning. and the fight over just passing the law was pretty intense. and the fight since then has gotten even more so. so, i definitely picked up a sense of -- of relief that maybe this is -- she said to me at one point. you know one thing i am not going to miss is, going off to all the hearings all the time. >> no one ever does miss that. chuck todd, and michael sheer, thank you for joining us tonight. >> sure. >> you got it, lawrence. >> coming up -- the department of justice rewrites what we know about the albuquerque police department and their use of force. including deadly force. 6
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legislative committee investigating the george washington bridge it is now up to that special committee to decide where they will go next. in her decision wednesday, the judge also discussed potential complications. the committee's investigation could create for the u.s. attorney's office. which is also investigating the lane closures. but the entire investigation into chris christie's administration and the george washington bridge may have never even begun without new jersey state senator loretta wineberg. an article in this week's "new yorker says this. a 79-year-old self-described nosy jewish grandmother says she bungled into the port authority issue just out of my curiosity. in september, weinberg read an item about the traffic jam. a senior official at port authority promised weinberg he would get to the bottom of it. when she didn't hear back. she became suspicious.
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my training comes from having raised children through their adolescent years, she said. what do you mean you didn't have a party? you weren't smart enough to put the beer cans in some one else's backyard. that's my investigative background. joining me now is loretta weinberg co-chair of the special legislative committee investigating the george washington bridge scandal. senator, in addition to the testimony, or the, the, the records that you were seeking from those two witnesses, is the committee also seeking the records, notes, and other, material, from the investigation that was paid for by new jersey taxpayers run by randy mastro, mastro came out and said the governor has done absolutely nothing wrong? >> yes, lawrence. i call that the "so-called investigation." that was done, the office of the governor. we are expecting by tomorrow, the, the first of -- many
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documents that we have asked for. mr. mastro never published the list of 70 people that he apparently claims to have interviewed. there are no transcripts of his interviews. but there are notes, memoranda notes of those interviews. and we are as a committee, looking for those. and we are also examining the various alternatives that we have -- based upon the judge's ruling that came out yesterday. >> so, could i just stop you. the transcripts issue. that was what interested me right from the start of the, that emergency of the investigation. i said on day one. show me the transcripts of your taped interviews. assuming that if these are real interviews, you tape them, and you have transcripts. you have both. no transcripts does that mean there are no tapes. and we have nothing but handwritten notes. by people who are in the room? >> as far as i know, through our
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lawyers talking to the -- the randy mastro lawyers that is the fact. there are no tapes. no transcripts. and i said after my original reading of this so-called report, that it sounded like a defense attorney summing up before a jury. it is so filled with gaps, with information missing, that i hardly -- as i said, there are some people who describe it as an investigation. i don't. >> yeah, it's -- it is kind of an astonishing document then to formally discover that no. when you hear there are no transcripts we did not actually record in any way what was said in any of these so-called interviews. that sound to me very clearly like, lawyers who worthy rhettically doi rhettically -- our client is
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chris christie personally. we have to make sure there is no record of what he said to us because he might need to change that story at some point in the future. >> well, in fact, there is no transcript, no tape, of what those interviews consisted of. according to, what our attorney told us. >> now, the judge said that the reason that -- that -- mr. steppian, and ms. kelly can invoke the 5th amendment was as judge jacobson put it, she said they could face prosecution for official misconduct in either state or federal court and conduct that could form the basis of the prosecution is exactly the type of conduct being investigated by the committee. under these circumstances it is reasonable for mr. steppian and ms. kill young people ms. kelly to fear they face prosecution in the concurrent federal investigation. so there was also the suggestion in the judge's opinion that you
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might be able to more narrowly draw your subpoenas to steppian and kellien suchy ein such a wa there would be information or forms of record you might be able to obtain from them. is your counsel working on anything lech sena anything like that? >> we have several alternatives. we can finalize. we can appeal the decision. go up to the appellate court. we canner to new subpoenas. and narrow them. or as the judge said -- we might also be able to give some immunity in exchange for receiving those documents. so the -- the basic right of the committee to give immunity which has been apparently unsettled law up until now was to find -- defined by judge jake bscobson. that was something that we could do after coordinating with the u.s. attorney's office or in
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discussions so that we do not interfere with any kind of a criminal investigation that might be going on simultaneously. and then there are still other folks that we would look to interview who will give us some input in the way the port authority actually operates. people who are not in the -- vicinity of 5th amendment issues. but who are important to come before us, and tell us well, what did you do when you heard about this? what are the processes that the port authority? so there is still work for us to do. we have not yet, as i said, finalized -- exactly which, of the -- which of the aforementioned alternatives we are going to take. i must say i was smiling with your introduction from the new yorker magazine. with the word self-described. i am 79. i am a grandmother. i am jewish. those happen to all be facts of life. the nosy part, i will leave the
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public to make that decision. along with my family. >> the public elected-up to be nosy about things like this. senator weinberg. thank you for joining us tonight. good evening from new york. i am chris hayes, and it is great to be back. breaking news tonight from washington. nbc news has confirmed that after five years the rocky but ultimately successful implementation of obamacare health and human services secretary kathleen sebelius will announce her resignation tomorrow. the white house is already putting out the name of her replacement and the responses from the right are coming fast and furious. we will have a full report ahead. meanwhile today many of the country's top political figures continue to congregate in austin, texas, at the lyndon b. johnson presidential library to mark the 50th anniversary of the

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