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agreement. >> it's not a trade deal. there's not a trade deal that created jobs. >> thank you, appreciate it. have a great weekend. steelworkers international president leo gerrard with us on "the ed show." 4 "politics nation" with reverend al sharpton starts right now. >> good evening, rev. >> good evening. thanks to you for tuning in. tonight, president obama's passionate fight for rights. the president spoke before my civil rights group in an emotional forceful address. he called out republicans who are waging a war on voting. >> i have to say, there have been some of these officials who have been pazing these laws have been more plunt. they say this is going to be good for the republican party. some of them have not been shy about saying they're doing this for partisan reasons.
now, it is wrong, president johnson said, deadly wrong, to deny any of your fellow americans the right to vote in this country. it's wrong to change our election rules just because of politics. it's wrong to make citizens wait five, six, seven hours just to vote. it's wrong to make a senior citizen who no longer has a driver's license jump through hoops and have to pay money just to exercise the rights sh haez cherished for a lifetime. america did not stand up and did not sacrifice to gain the right to vote for themselves and others only to see it denied to their kids and their grandchildren. we've got the tot pay attention to this. >> we have got to pay attention to this. because what we're seeing is a brazen assault on voting rights. already this year, lawmakers in 19 the states have introduced bills to scale back voting rights. in key swik states like ohio, like wisconsin, like colorado.
and too many people have marched and fought and died to simply let that happen. >> i've been on this earth for 52 years, so to see the progress we've made is to see my own life and the progression that's happened. you think about brown versus board of education and the civil rights act and voting rights act and freedom summer. and with those anniversaries, we have new reason to remember those who made it possible for us to be here. like the three civil rights workers in mississippi, two white, one black who were murdered 50 years ago as they tried to help their fellow citizens register to vote. james cheney and andrew goodman and michael schwerner believed to strongly that change was possible they were willing to lay down their lives for it. the least you can do is take them up on the gift that they have given you. go out there and vote. >> we need to protect that
change that others fought so hard to secure. the president drove home the point that we need to act ourselves and he made that point with a nod to my civil rights organization. >> we can't treat these new barriers as an excuse not to participate. we can't use cynicism as an excuse not to participate. some people said well, we haven't gotten everything we needed. we still have poverty, we still have problems. of course. these things didn't happen overnight. when i was down in texas, everybody was celebrating the day that the civil rights law was finally passed. remember, there were decades in which people sacrificed and worked hard. change doesn't happen overnight, but it happens, as long as we don't purposefully give our power away.
every obstacle put in our path should remind us of the power in our hands whenever we pull that lever or fill in that oval or touch that screen. we have to harness that power, create a national network committed to action. we can call it the national action network. so i want you to go out there and redouble your efforts, register more voters. pep more folks to get their rights. get those souls to the polls. if they don't let you do it on sunday, then do it on tuesday instead. i know it's better going to the polls on sunday because you go to church, you get a meal got the bus waiting for you. i understand, but you can do that without that if we have to. >> the president also poked fun at how outlandish some of these
voter id requirements are. >> in other places, folks may learn without a document like a passport or a birth certificate, they can't register. about 60% of americans don't have a passport. just because you don't have the money to travel abroad doesn't mean you shouldn't be able to vote here at home. and just to be clear, i know where my birth certificate is, but a lot of people don't. a lot of people don't. i think it's still up on a website somewhere. you remember that? that was crazy. that was some crazy stuff.
i haven't thought about that in a while. >> he's right. those birther attacks back then were just as ridiculous as the attacks on voting that we're seeing today. it's time to stand up and make our voices heard. it's time to take action. joining me now congresswoman democrat from washingtro wiscon e.j. dionne. >> good to be here. >> you've seen voter suppression in our own state. how do we fight back? >> listen, rev, it sounds like you guys had a wonderful time with the president and i was just chuckling to hear him really deliver the words so humoro humorously. but it is not funny.
we have been on the battleground here, you should siege for two years with governor scott walker. we have a supreme court case, a state supreme court case, and a federal case that's on appeal. and governor scott walker has said that if they don't reverse their ruling that these voting right id's were unconstitutional, that he would, in fact, call the legislature back in a special session to tweak his voter id law because as far as he was concerned, it was the most pressing issue in the state. >> wow. >> and that is a direct quote. not health care, because he didn't take the medicaid funding, not high unemployment or, you know, hunger among children. but getting his voter id law in place before november. >> now e.j., when you hear that,
the most pressing thing in the state, and you hear the president today talking about how some intentional will are trying to do something to hurt the vote for partisan reasons, for example, republicans saying they want to attract voters, all while restricting the right to vote. take a listen to this. >> this has not been led by boast parties. it's been led by the republican party. and in fairness, it's not just democrats who are concerned. you have one republican state legislator point out, and i'm quoting here, making it more difficult for people to vote is not a good sign for a party who want to attract more people. i don't want folks changing the rules to try to restrict people's access to the ballot. i think responsible people, regardless of your party affiliation should agree with that. if your strategy depends on
having fewer people show up to vote, that's not a sign of strength. that's a sign of weakness. >> so e.j., he says it's a sign of weakness. it seemed today that he's all-in, in fighting for what many of us have been raising in his own justice department has been raising on these methods of voter suppression. >> i think he was all in on two respects, one is on the issue of fighting these law, but the other is he was all in in making a case that you can not allow these efforts to suppress your vote to keep you from voting. he said as long as we don't purposefully give our power away. he said if they don't let you vote on sunday, do it on tuesday. now, looking at the wisconsin case, maybe this is the most pressing issue to governor walker because it's the most pressing issue to his re-election.
but i have not seen an election in my lifetime where there was so much focus on turning out voters this early. ic democrats are very aware they lost in 2010 in part because their voters dependent show up. i think what president obama was doing is something that happened in 2012. when somebody threatens a right you treasure, you make absolutely sure you could exercise it. i stood line for about 2 1/2 hours in early voting in maryland which is not a swing state, because people were so determined to exercise their right to vote in 2012. >> as the president said today, they keep making false claims of voter fraud in order to justify these new laws. i think people need to understand, we're not against following the law, but to change
the law on false claims is what many of us are saying wait a minute, this is a situation that is unnecessary. it's a solution looking for a problem rather than problem in need of a solution. the president pointed it out this way. watch this. >> out of 1997 million votes cast for federal eelection between 2002 and 2005, only 40 voters out of 197 million were indicted for fraud. now for those of you who are math majors, as a percentage that is 0.00002%. that's not a lot. let's be clear. the real voter fraud are those who try to deny rights by making
bogus arguments for voter fraud. 50 another real fraud is those making arguments for voter fraud. is there voter fraud to the point where this is the most important thing he wants? >> of course not, reverend al. and, in fact, i have lost count of the numbers of legislative initiatives that they have put in law on a daily basis to stop us from voting. not just end iing much of the second voting but shortening the hours in which we can vote, guaranteeing there will be long lines if we turn out in milwaukee. but to your point, your question earlier, reverend sharpton, what can we do? i am so grateful to you and the national action network and groups like that who have remained vigilant because getting on the ground, educating people, letting them know that
billionaires are spending millions of dollars to suppress their quote, that they are as powerful as these people if they band together, because an old african po proverb, together, the ants eat the elephant. >> we're not telling people how to vote. we're protecting their vote. let me read this quote to you. it says, i r and i'm reading a quote, for this nation to remain true to its principles, we cannot allow any american's vote to be denied, diluted or defiled. the right to vote is the crown jewel of american liberties, and we will not see its luster diminished. the quote came, e.j., from president ronald reagan. it was true when reagan said it then and it's true when you have those who claim his name that
are doing things that would dilute that vote, to use his term. >> well, that's right. and i think it was -- it's very disturbing when you look at what the u.s. supreme court has been doing. on the one hand, the supreme court has said, and justice roberts had similar language about how the right to participate in the electoral process is the greatest right, but he used that justify lifting more restrictions on how much money very is rich people can give in the campaign. the court is all in on expanding the power of wealthy americans, but when it came time to rule on the voting rights act, they threw out section 4 of the voting rights act. so you have this pincher movement that is not at all true to ronald reagan, you know, empower the very wealthy as much as you can and diminish the protections that we fought for back in 1965, diminish those
protections so that all americans can actually cast a ballot. and that's what we're up against. >> congresswoman, the fight in the courts, the fight in the streets, the president also says while we're fighting, we've got to be prepared to vote no matter what. we cannot allow the impedestrian meants to be in any way aided and abetted by our not voting ourselves. >> that's absolutely right. i think you have seen a lot of civic engagement mock civic group the, like the league of women voters, the naacp, the national action network, our churches, who have been at the forefront of trying to make sure that their parishioners can vote so that they get these id's and keep them from having excuses. and literally, it brought tears to my eyes at the polls here in milwaukee to see younger people
allowing disabled and elderly people to get in front of them and skip them in lean to vote. and seeing elderly people saying hey, i'm not going anywhere. i brought my lunch. you know, people distributing water to folks in line. so that they stay in line. i think that this is a time where banding together and being prepared for the worst will pay off. i've got a really good feeling as e.j. said, we haven't seen this much preparation for a november election on an off year out this far in a long time. so i think there's a mighty battle coming. >> all right. i'm going to the to leave it there. thank you for your time this evening. have a great weekend. >> you too, reverend. >> and thank you, reverend.
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health care website was rocky. but secretary sebeli zu leaves with the law working. 7.5 million enrolled. president obama will nominate his budget director, sylvia matthews burrwell to take over. so republicans should welcome a change, right? well, congressman fred upton say, quote, secretary sebelius may be finished in her roll oversea seeing the law, but our tefrts to get the answers in relief for the american people will continue. get answers? what answers? >> georgia senator saxby saying i've had concerns about her willingness to ignore the clear intent of congress and texts of duly enacted laws. there they go with that lawless line again. and of course, senator shutdown
joined the party. >> i think burwell presents an ideal opportunity to examine the failures that were obama care. four years ago, minds could have differed over whether this would work. seeing the disaster, the train wreck that is obama care, it's the essence of pragmatism to acknowledge this thing isn't working. >> 7.5 million people enrolled and they're still talking repeal? good luck with that one. joining me now, david corn and angela ride. thank you for being here. >> i'm sorry i'm laughing. this gets kind of more and more absurd by the day. >> you know, david, confronting the new health secretary is another excuse to talk about repeal now. >> well, yes. that was a woman who i knew years ago in the clinton administration. one of the most competent people
you'll ever come across and she got confirmed in her present job on a 96-0 vote. 96-0. i wouldn't be surprised if we get into a situation where the republicans start bullying each other and, you know, other than john mccain and a handful she doesn't get very many republican votes because they're going to use this again to fight obama care. it's not just 7.5 million people who signed up on the exchanges, there are millions of americans who are getting health care through, you know, the expansion of medicaid. there are tens of millions who are getting it now because the pre-existing condition, you know, exemption has been wiped out. millions are getting it because they're staying longer on their parents. you're really talking about tens of millions, maybe even up to tuns of millions of americans who got benefits out of this. if they want to say what's wrong, let them match those numbers. >> the head of republican party had another funny attack on the
seven, eight republican governors who weren't interested in taking advantage of obama care to expand medicaid in their states and she and her colleagues worked with those governors to come up with flexible regul flexible regulations so they could be satisfied and the program could be expanded. so really, you know, she worked hard on this. the president obviously, as he indicated at your event today sees this as a serious front to continue pushing on. and mean, i don't know if obama care will ever be relieved of the political debate that surrounds it, but at some point down the road, people in those states may look around at other states, whether they're republican led or not and see what's happening there and say you know what, we could use this in our state where we don't have enough people covered. >> democrats have to fight this out in the midterms. >> absolutely. and i think that democrats will be ahead of the game. right now, things are looking real happy for the dp ems. i think it will be a clear
victory for them. >> david corn and angela rudd. thank you for your time. have a good weekend. >> still ahead, who needs facts when you have the right wing scandal machine? what's real lind the desperate attempts to find a scandal, any scandal from the obama administration. but first, quick, somebody tell scott brown which state he's in.
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gohmert, resurrecting his favorite scandal at a hearing with attorney general eric holder. >> so we've been trying to get to the bottom of fast and furious. >> fast and furious? why stop there. for congressman darrell issa, it's all about the irs. >> i am hoping, begging and pleading with the house leadership to put new eyes on benghazi before it's too late. >> no evidence? no problem. he'll keep digging. and if that doesn't work out, then there's always benghazi. right senator graham? >> the committee has been trying to the bottom of irs targeting. the american people rightfully don't trust the irs to tell them what really happened. >> oh, that was darrell issa, issa, graham, benghazi, irs,
they come to fast, you have to watch out. irs, benghazi, fast and furious. speaker boehner, let's put him on the spot. what's his number one phony scandal. >> the american people have not been told the truth about what happened at the irs. the american people have not been told the truth about what happened in fast and furious. the administration has not told the american truth about benghazi. >> all of the above. should have seen it coming. republicans don't have an agenda for the country. all they have left are these fact-free, phony scandals that they hope will distract the american people. but it won't work. joining me now, joe mad sop anne bill fresh. did you for being here. >> good to see you. >> the more these phony scandals get debunked, the more the right wing pushes them. what's going on here? >> let's stick with the boxing
them. all three of us are old enough to remember rope-a-dope, right? this is what this is. they keep punching, punching, punching. and then to keep with the boxing metaph metaphor, all we have to do is let them punch themselves out, because quite honestly, all they're doing is spending millions of dollars, so they're wasting taxpayers' money. two, they're diverting people's attention from ryan's budget, which most americans, once they get a whiff of that budget knows -- the average person is in trouble working man in this country. and then we just need to come back with a left hook and finish these folks off in november. >> you know, bill, i want you to listen what senator ted cruz said this week about president obama and attorney general holder. listen. >> the pattern of lawlessness is breathtaking. we have never seen a president of the united states who so consistently ignores the law
and, in fact, brazenly defies the law. among other things, congress should impeach eric holder because eric holder is defying congress and defying rule of law. >> i mean, the president is brazenly defying the law, the attorney general eric holder defying congress and the law. i mean, it's almost surreal how they go all the way to bizarre land to try to make their political points. >> there are no limits, reverend al, to what they will say about this administration. every time i hear that lawlessness is a new talking point, right, among the republican right. and yet i've never heard them give one example of one law that the president is refusing to enforce or breaking. sam thing with eric holder. they keep talking about obama care, i think they have to remind them that the affordable
care act is the law. it is the law of the land, it was signed into the law four years ago. if anybody is breaking the law, it's these republican governors who refuse to go along with the expansion of medicare. you know, on the scandal point, i've just got to say, i'm a talk show host. i love a good scandal. it lights up the phones. none of these scandals are real. they are all phony scandals and just shell hearings that darrell issa keeps holding on the same subjects. even charles krauthammer, conservative talk show analyst said get off benghazi, you're beating it to death. >> the tea party nation is run on its website, headline, how did barack obama win re-election in 2010. the article claims there were over 1 million double votes in 2012. and it says democrats are not winning elections, they're stealing them. one, first of all, there was a million that was double the
president won by a lot more than 2 million votes, but aside from that being bizarre, on one level they accept the voters that gave them the majority of the house, but they're fraudulent when the voters -- it's the same voters! >> same polling place. the same ballot. i mean, we're running out of time. do we need to say more? that's the stupidity of it. that's why i say let them keep punching. and let them keep punching and all we have to do, like at the national action network conference, you just come back with the facts. and then people go back home and they start telling the truth and eventually they'll punch themselves out. >> bill, i think that when you look at the fact that they have made unprecedented attacks and personal in nature on this president and this attorney general, i think most americans see what this venom is all
about. >> well, especially for those who watch fox news, reverend al, i have to say. that's their soul audience. in fact, i think darrell issa might as well be on the payroll of roger ails. he's just keeping the hearings going so "fox & friends" has something to talk about in the morning. they keep running the same stuff over and over and over again and the people who watch it are dumb enough to believe it. >> thanks if for your time tonig tonight. have a great weekend. >> you, too. ahead, new evidence released takes us inside the florida movie theatre where a man was shot dead. plus, the mother accused of trying to kill her children gets charges reduced. the politics nation justice files next. [ male announcer ] legalzoom has helped start over 1 million businesses.
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>> it's time for "the justice files" the big story making headlines today. joining me now, criminal defense attorney michelle suskauer and former prosecutor and msnbc legal analyst faith jenkins. thank you both for being here. >> thank you. >> we start in florida. new evidence being released in the so-called popcorn defense case. it was january 13, a monday night when this man, chad
olaussolson went to the movies with his wife. he had a confrontation with 71-year-old man, curtis reeves an entire police officer. reeves was irritated buzz olson was texting his daughter during the previews. and it ended with olson dying from a single bullet to his chest. reed says he shot in self-defense and claims olson attacked him. >> he hit me with his fist or something. i think he had his cell phone in his hand. i think that's what he hit me in the face with. >> but this surveillance video released shows what happened moments before the shooting. reeves gets up complain to the manager about olson's texting. when he returns to the seat, reeves allegedly asks olson if he's still texting. that's when things turn deadly.
you can see what appears olson tossing a popcorn box at reeves. then he gets his gun and shoots. just this week, prosecutors release photographs from inside the theatre. the defense is that reeves was hit with a cell phone. the witnesses say they saw him throw popcorn. does this new evidence hurt or help reeves' case? >> there's now a photo of the cell phone at the feet of where reeves was sitting. i think it helps him. stand your ground not only applies when a person is in fear of death or great bodily harm but when they're already in fear of a forcible felony against them. in florida the law affords you additional protections. that could be deemed a forcible
felony. so stand your ground may be validly applied here which may bring us back to why it's so problematic. this looks like someone needed to use deadly force to defend themselves. now we've had three cases, zimmerman, dunn and now this case where people have initiated confrontations and used their guns to kill people because backed by a ball that encourages feel to take the law into their own hands. >> do you agree? does this help or hurt? >> i don't know whether it helps or hurts. it's really going to depend on those jurors who are going to be listening to this conversation that took place really overthe place of seconds. it's whether his fear was reasonable or not for him to use deadly force to defend himself. so whether there was a cell phone -- look, the state attorney's could possibly say cell phone was thrown. i don't think they're going to. the cell phone kou dropped on the ground after he was shot. we don't really know. but it's a question of whether
or not this was reasonable here. and there's a lot of conditionses here that i don't think are going to help reeves, including his wife. so i don't know whether this new evidence, whether these photographs are going to help or hurt or really make a difference at all. >> you know how i feel about the stand your ground law. this is crazy. cell phone for deadly force. let's go to another big case in florida. it involves a mother trying to kill her three children. we learned this week that ebony will kkerson wilkerson, the mother who drove her three children into the atlantic ocean will be charged with attempted second degree murder. she was originally arrested on attempted first degree charges. the lesser charge from prosecutors blooe they don't believe wilkerson's actions were premeditated. last month, wilkerson drove a minivan carrying her three children into the ocean in daytona beach, florida, telling police she was trying to escape an abusive husband.
thankfully some hero bystanders rushed to save the children. women kerr son is now receiving mental health treatment and prenatal care at a medical center. but the question now is, should she be charged with anything? should she be in jail or in a mental institution getting help. michelle, what do you think? >> well, you know, clearly there's issues here in terms of any mental health. i don't know what her prior mental health issue is, but when they originally charged h her with first degree murder, they completely overcharged. it was a knee jerk typical prosecutor reaction of first degree murder, which they were never going to be able to prove. if they go ahead and pursue which second degree, they don't have to show intent, just like you said. they have to show evidence of a depraved mind. and an act that was imminently dangerous. they may be able to prove that if she's not going to be able to contest that with some sort of
mental health defense, insanity. so, you know, i think this is a tough case here, but prosecutors certainly shouldn't have charged first degree. second degree is more appropriate. >> quickly, should they charge her with anything at all? or are they moving in the right direction? >> i think this may not be the last time you hear of a prosecutor reducing charges in this case. they're obviously looking at some serious mental issues here. i think they will continue to, and if this is a case where ebony could not tell the difference between right and wrong, she should not be criminalically prosecuted and she should get treatment. >> michelle suskauer and faith jenkins, thank you for your time tonight. >> thank you. still ahead, scott brown has a new state and an old message. it puts him in tonight's gotcha. plus, what we learned today from the man who changed baseball and america forever. stay with us.
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brooklyn dodger uniform. he's in the dougout at ebb bots field. here he is sieping the contract. four days later, he would step on to field and make history. and he did it in the face of death threats, racial slurs. he was spat on, cursed at. in 1972 in an interview, he described what it was like to play in one city. >> when you went to the early years, you couldn't stay in the hotel, you had to find your own accommodations. then there was ben chapman and others who were really the worst kinds of guys that we ran into. the kind of taunts that they yelled out were vicious and uncalled for. >> but he responded with silence. he refused to respond to the violence, choosing instead to fight back with his play on the field.
and it all started on this night 67 years ago. when you think of what the people like jackie robinson took to advance us 67 years ago, we can take what we need to take to keep that advance going. advancing the dream today. boehner's heros. let's play "hardball." good evening. let me start with the heated up battle over politics and race. john boehner, the speaker of the house denied it has anything to do with the way republican members of congress, two of them from texas especially treat the administration of barack obama. >> there's no issue of rac