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son is on a ray zpor's edge. >> i've been hurt a lot. i seek revenge for that. >> holy gods -- >> a convicted murderer quarterback seeks legitimacy for a religion that prison officials suspect is a front for white supremacist gangs. that would have turned our cameras over to the inmates to share personal thoughts in the privacy of their cells. >> what bash, lock up, extended stay. welcome. >> when wants to be locked in a room with another man for 19 hours a day?
three and a half hours that we come out is to go get the worst food you've ever ate in your life. onhow they call it food. >> e6ry day, thing people take for granted, we would cherish right now. >> wabash valuely correctional facility. on the western edge of indiana. the centerpiece 06 the rural town of carlyle. the inmate population of nearly 2200 outnumbers local residents 4-1. many of naetd's most h most vie loenlt o'defenders are sent here. >> the serious offenses against the person which may be murder, voluntary manslaughter, baerlt better, assault, is approximately 35 to 40% of our fender population. >> the most violent are housed in single-person cells 23 hours a day in the secured confinement
unit. >> he's escorted anywhere he goes. he's kufd behind the back and his recreation is solitary. he don't get to rec with the other people. his activities are kind 06 limited. all by himself. that unit is designed for people like him. everybody in there knows his history. >> the most infamous chapter of the history occurred when he was served time at 2345ed state prison 17 years earlier. that's when he stabbed a correction's officer to death. >> we what approached him from the front according to reports. stabbed him one time in the front chest area which broke a rib he stabbed him with such force. the sound of it targeted another staff member that was one to respond and when he responded he actually observed the second stab to the back. according to the reports. before the officer actually died, they said that he told
them that he didn't know if he was going to make it or not and mcmcway was the one that stabbed him. >> at the time hofs serving 20 years for sexual battery and sentenced to an additional 60 years after being found guilty of murdering the officer. despite the eyewitness akoijts, he still proclaimtion nngs. >> it's been a long ride but. i maintain my balance and my mental health. >> he was soon pass a milestone. >> sometimes you can be in an environment like this and a person begins to see you as a mad dog, like every chance you get you're going to lose control
or you're going to snap on somebody and that's not me. >> periodically, he files requests to be moved back to general population where he would have considerably more privileges. >> i still believe that leonard mcquay has an lt ulterior motive. >> the first american he needs to win over is the administrative seg ghags kass manager, beverly gilmore. >> we're notarizing what, here? we all get along with leonard. he's very, very likable. very skirz f charismatic. so friendly. but he's so yoempbly friendly it's so fake. it's not for real. >> since coming here, he's been involved in several incidents that have enforced his violent reputation. >> a few years ago, he was on the rec pad and he asked for a basketball. and when they went to hand him the basketball, he actually come through the door and pushed his way through and begin assaulting
a couple of the staff members. and several staff responded along with myself and there was about six of us. finally to restrain him and get him down on the ground and get him in cuffs. >> sometimes emotionalism can push you over the edge. sometimes you can regret after becoming so emotional for things that you do. especially when you know that one action can result in a lifetime of misery. >> but he says he's had a spiritual awakening since converting to islam. >> it's a reflection of a new person, of a changed man. >> he's not the only inmate who says he's gone through a spiritual transformation since coming to prison. >> >> marcus murray is a self-proclaimed priest of a
little known germanic pagan religion. >> this is the prechristian religion of northern europeans. >> holy gods, hear me now, your son. >> assatru has proven popular among predominantly white inmates among prisons nationwide. he discovered it after arriving 11 years earlier. he's serving a 60-year sentence for beating another man to death and says assatru which worships northern gods has helped him come to grips. and his many prison tattoos are symbols of his faith. >> they're all -- as you can tell. viking age is a large portion of
this. the study of the viking age history. >> a prison officials have begun to see this as something else. a front for white supremacist gangs. the members have been allowed to hold services at some prisons. but wabash has banned such gatherings. >> the white supremacy gang members are using these services to have their gang met meetings within the services themselfst and it's quite disruptive. >> he denies any ties to white supremacist gangs and has decided to file a grievance to appeal the ban on the group meetings. >> it is not gang. it does not promote gang mentality. or any criminal elements at all. it's a religion based on virtue and knowledge. >> the ban also hadn't stopped murray from recruiting new members. his latest, william jones jr. >> marcus has been teaching me about what the hammer means.
what the different gods and goddesses are. >> jones, who also denies being a white supremacist, came to wabash three years ago at age 18. he was sentenced to 16 years for burglary. >> i was hanging out with the wroonk people and strung out on drugs and broke into a house and took a tv and a bunch of other little items like a tattoo gun and took them and sold them for drugs. >> the house he robbed was his father's. >> my dad called the police and he was like, a strongly believe that it was my son, junior. it killed him to do it. >> jones said he would like to rebuild the relationship with his father and will soon have a chance. he leaves prison on parole in one week. >> not enjoying the weather are you? why would you enjoy the weather, man? you get to enjoy all that when
you go home. >> next week. >> next thursday. >> he wants to be influenced because he's still being molded as a man and he's still a kid and he's turning into somebody. >> delivering papers. no. that's just temporary. long enough for me to find a real job. i'm glad you have aspirations. >> what the hell was that? >> coming up. >> i god $100 bill tattooed on my penis. >> two boyhood friends now cell mates find themselves at a crossroads. and later -- >> you risk your war to of your heart. >> leonard tries to rehab his image. >> i treat him with respect but i do not trust him.
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i recognize i have a family out there that really needs me. they've spent a lot of time away from me and say i've always been the best for them. their lives would have probably been a lot better without me in them. >> this facility is isolated among corn fields and soybean fields in southwestern, indiana. some of the state's most violent inmates are housed here. and they've been known to hurt each other. james stone has been in prison for the past 25 years for attempted mushed. and he's had more than a few scrapes in that time. while some inmates have been known to create knives out of toothbrushes or nearly anything else. several years ago, when stone was at another prison, he devised a more unique weapon. >> a cheese agreeder was leather work gloves that i had pads on
them and dipped them in varnish and let them dry so it got good and tacky. dripped it back down in the varnish and went over to a drill press with the current temperatury queues are. i dipped down in a bunch of them so it looked like a metal bush on top of my gloves. then let them dry for a minute and then i ran them through the top layer of the varnish in the can. so it would keep them from breaking off. and let them dry on your hands while your hands stayed bald up and once they dried, they last forever. every time you hit someone, it's like taking cheese through a cheese grader. not pretty. >> among the population of seasoned inmates like stone are two young cellies. once boyhood friends on the
outside, they now rely on each other for survival on the inside. >> we met like a different places we hung out when we was, what, 13 or 14, maybe, at the latest. maybe 12. >> robby is serving six years for armed robbery and is no stranger to prison. >> i'll be 23 in a couple of days and with parole violations, altogether, i came to prison five times. ain't none of it been for a long time but if i keep coming eventually it's going to be and i don't want that. i really don't have nobody out there. i wish had i had some place to go. i wish i could get on my feet and live live productively. if anything happened, he'll help me stay out, though. >> you hear me, you already know. >> unlike his boyhood friend
who's been in and out of prison five times, this is bradley napier's first time. as a juvenile he was twice placed on house arrest. now he's serving 60 years for burglary and criminal gang activity. >> when i heard my sentence, i was crying. at 18, getting 16 years, it seemed like forever. like, oh, man, i ain't never getting out, you know? but we got a good relationship, you know what i mean? we talk to each other crazy. smack each other around when nobody is looking. >> it don't matter. it's always good right afterwards. >> even though the two are from the same hometown, their lives in prison would make it seem like they're from different sides of the tracks. >> his tv is just a little older model. and my tv is one of the flat screens they just started
selling. it's expensive but it's just i bigger picture, you know what i mean. everything in here is ours. you know? it's not what ever is mine is his and whatever his is mine. that's the way we live. >> thanks to support from his family, napier also has more money to spend on commissary snacks so once a week he loads up for himself and his celly. he gets half of everything. >> he needs to carry half of everything. robby! robby! damn mother [ bleep ]er. >> why would you just grab that? >> all the commissary goes in one box. we both eat out of it. he doesn't have a lot of the things going for him that i have so it's hard for him to stay on the right path. >> one thing he does have is an abundance of tattoos.
>> i have this pry praying hands for my dad. my mom's name and honor thy mother and father. naked girls. everybody likes naked girls and money. that's all clowns up there. and there ain't too much meaning behind those. >> don't you have a $100 bill. >> into i do have a $100 bill tattoo. >> where is that at? >> that's crazy, bro. [ laughter ] >> i got a $100 bill tattooed on my penis. >> what do you tell a girl about that, man? >> it's money to blow! >> the imagery on his body only tells part of his story. it's the pictures he keeps tucked away in a photo album that tell the rest. he hadn't seen his son, 3-year-old robby iii in more
than two years. he's had a contentious relationship with his son's mother. >> since i came back to prison. me and her got into it when i came back to prison and i ain't seen him at all. it's been 26 months ago. >> napier is the father of a i think boy. 2-year-old bradley jr. >> this is what he sent me for my birthday. he colored on and put stickers all over it. it's my world. my life. >> like other aspects of napier's and their friendship, their relationship to their sons are marked by a have and have-not quality. unlike rob by, napier enjoys regular visits with his child. >> i couldn't go what he's going through without see my son and stuff, i don't know, but -- >> there ain't to reason to be behind 26 months. >> that's just how it is. we're in two different places. >> he longs for a visit for his
son and marcus has been playing father figure and teaching his religious beliefs to william jones jr. jones is only two days away in leaving prison on parole and murray said he hoping this will help to keep him from returning to prison. >> so when you're hanging out at the house and you realize you got bills to pay or something like that, and somebody comes over, and they offer you the opportunity for you to make a little bit of easy cash, you know, go rob something, things go bad. things break bad. people get involved. people that were not supposed to be there come out with shotguns and you get killed. you end up being another justin. another heart-break i have to deal with. >> not going to die. >> i've been through this before. i've had friends of mine that i've taken under my wing, youngsters that get out before i do, anyway and they get out there and they mess up. and in fact, i lost a friend about six years ago, justin. he got she by a police officer
in naips indianapolis. i feel like i failed him. >> i promise you i'll send you a card for every month you're out there. if you come back, i'll send a blanket party your way. >> i'm note coming back. >> all right. thank you. >> coming up, leonard mcway gets a job and a chance to prove himself. >> now, that was to the dislike of some of my supervisors. they thought that i had lost my mind. >> and later -- marcus murray lashes out when an assatra member says the wrong thing. >> you made us look like a bunch of [bleep]ing ass holes. >>
over the world. >> mcway is serving 60 years for the murder of a correction's officer at another indiana state prison 16 years earlier. since then he's been in administrative segregation at the secured confinement unit. >> we do this every day. >> while he says his curran has helped him grow spiritually, the other books in his cell help him grow physically. >> this is what i call my weight bag. e6ry day i do me some curls. i do these and i do shrugs. i do these. and back arms like this. like this. and probably about 55 or 60 pounds. >> he has spent years trying to earn his way back into general population. but his history as a violent
offender continues to haunt him. >> i basically engaged in what i consider to be an emotional response to being disrespected. >> i was warned but i came into this job regarding offender leonard mcway. he's very smart. very, very clever. he can talk a great talk. >> though caseworker beverly gilmore has raised serious questions about his trustworthiness. her goal is to give segregation inmates an opportunity to prove themselves. so she recently made a controversial decision. after his successfully completed a prison life skills program, she gave him a job in the housing unit. >> i made him a sanitation worker. that was to the dislike of system of my supervisors. they thought that i had lost my mind. i would never, they say, let him be getting out of his cell.
and i said, let's give him a chance. i talked to leonard. i said one time, buddy, i see you passing a scrap of paper to another offender you will be without your job. and we are watching him probably more closely than we are any, at least this ms. gilmore is because i've got something to prove because i think he can do it. >> change is gauged by behavior. if you are actually changing, your behavior must change. and i believe my behavior has changed. >> mckwai hopes a positive job performance will help him and -- >> the bottom line is i'm still somebody that deserves respect and to be treated like a human being and if it's given to me i'll give it. treat me like a human being. give me the respect and courtesy of a human being and not a animal, and you will receive the
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isolated in wabash, indiana, it has plenty of reminders of urban problems behind its walls. >> wabash valley has approximately 43 different gangs. approximately around 400 different gang members. that doesn't reflect all of our suspected members. those are all confirmed members. and we have approximately somewhere between 200 to 300 suspected gang members at this facility. >> most of the gangs are divide along racial lines. but the majority of gang members here belong to white supremacist gangs. but the arian brotherhood and the knights. >> prison officials suspect that a growing religion might be a front for white supremacist gangs. markus murrays with one of the leader at wabash, denies that. >> there has never been anything in my studies that says, one
race is more dominant over another. one culture more dominant over another nor one religion dominant over another. the believers believer that our religion is fine. you're religion is fine. >> guy rat cliff, who has been practicing for several years here, says there's one group who is not welcome. >> if we found out that somebody in the -- was a child molestation he would be banned from the community. he cannot participate. it's a by law. radcliffe who uses another pronunciation of the gang, defended the fact that some members have swastikas tattooed on their bodies. >> the swastika was around a long time before adolph hitler come along. now, i don't have nothing against uncle adolph but he took something from my religion which
was a sun wheel. and he made it part of his party. it goes back to ancient civilizations. they had a swastika in persia, way before national socialism came along. >> while radcliffe defend, his comments disturbed murray who let him know how much when he returned to his cell. >> you made us look like a bunch of [bleep]ing assholes. >> i tried to talk with aye about this. i swear i did. czarry, markus. i [ bleep ]ed up. i apologize. damn it. try not to get mad at me, man. >> it's hard not to, man. >> you sank my boat. >> later, we told murray we recorded his exchange with radcliffe and asked him to explain it. >> i was a little plttle mad.
he didn't mean any harm. highs ignorant of the conduction of leadership roles and i think now that he has seen that it upset me and knows that it's not really how we do business, i think he's changed his point of view. >> murray hopes to also change the point of view of prison officials. he'll soon have a hearing with manufactu administrators to appeal their ban and have it removed from the list of security threat groups. robby faces a different challenge. he not only feels isolated from his young son but from his boyhood friend who happens to be his cell may it. >> where my celly, he's a great dude. i love him. i've been knowing him for years, before we came to prison. but i mean, i got my problems that i ain't seen my son in two
years and he gets to -- he knows how i feel and stressing hard or not, when he don't see his son for a week he gets visits every week. gets everything that's possible to get in here he's got it and i'm in here -- >> he's serving six years for armed robbery, wears his frustration in prison ink. >> that says vengeance. it's because i've had a lot of wrong done to me. i've been hurt a lot. i seek revenge for that. i had a lot of animosity built up when i got it. i'm hoping i can let things go now, just for mistake and my season's sake. ain't worth it coming back to prison over. >> he points to another tattoo welcome as the source of his frustration. >> the mother of my child. i'm kind of mad at her that she's holding my son from me. >> but that could be changing. a recent letter and his visitation request are
indications she's planning to bring his son to see him. >> this ain't the first time she's said she is coming to visit. she'll let me be in his life and all the sudden she falls off again. i'm not getting my hopes up. last time i seen him he couldn't walk or talk and i can't wait to see him. >> while he clings to the hope the visit will take place his cell mate, brad, is enjoying one of his regular visits with his 2-year-old son, brad jr. and his son's mother, jessica corn. >> say "touchdown." >> touchdown! >> bradley talks about his dad all the time. when we pull up and he sees the guard tower. that's daddy's house so inside you're like, great, he sees a guard twrer and razor wires and thinks of his dad but in another sentence, that is his dad's house and heats excited to see him. >> this type of one-on-one between an inmate and his child is rare in most maximum security prisons where visits typically
take place in a large common area. choked with noise and distraction. but his session is in a private playroom, part of the prison's fatherhood program. >> the fatherhood program is great mainly because i get to spend a lot more time with my son and come in this visiting room and everything is great. it's one-on-one. me and him running around here playing ball. >> the monthly visits are carefully monitored by the program's coordinator joshua collins. >> they have a responsibility is what we're trying to teach them. even though their nickel-sized prison that doesn't give them a cop-out not to be a dad. >> oh, my gosh. >> your okay, buddy. get up. >> come on, let me kiss it! tell daddy to it. say kiss it to make it better. >> you'll be all right. >> you'll be all right.
>> mr. napier, have a seat. >> he undergoes a review. >> talk about bradley crying. >> when he starts crying i tell him, get up. you're fine. because he's raised by a whole bunch of women. you know? and little boys raised by women get babied and i don't want my son to grow up being babied all the time. i want him to have a little bit of toughness 5b9 him. the world is tough. get up, you got to go on anyway. >> i understand where you're coming from. i want to give you a suggestion. it's okay for him to cry. it's okay for you to say that he's okay. and then address his situation and move on. it kind of seems that some of your patterns came from just, okay, quick fix, get him on to something else so he goes to the next thing. find out why he's crying and move on. you understand what i'm say
something. >> i understand. >> appreciate you coming in. >> thank you. >> no problem. >> i like to hear insight on what people think about how i am as a father. i'm going to give it some thought about but i know how to be a father. i've done good which the, you know? >> coming up, william jones says good-bye to his mentor and hello to live on the outside. >> don't come back! >> and leonard argues for a transfer out of confinement. tar, fight back fast, with tums. heartburn relief that neutralizes acid on contact. and goes to work in seconds. ♪ tum, tum tum tum... tums!
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>> as the me dawn darkness hangs over indiana's wabash valley correctional facility, most of the 2200 convicted felons housed here will treat it as one more routine day of incarceration. but not william jones jr. today, after three years, he's going home! >> how do you feel today? >> nervous. happy to leave but it sucks that i have to leave people in here. >> the one inmate he most hates to leave behind is his close friend and spiritual mentor, marcus murray. who is serving 60 years for murder. >> what's up, man? >> it's fwogs to be hard, dude. you're going to miss me, you know it. >> i'm not going to miss you. >> man! >> oh, man! be cool, man! >> while jones spends his final
moments in prison just outside the walls, his older brother, casey and casey's family arrive to pick him up. >> me and my brother are pretty close. i'm glad i get to pick him up and not have to leave him here. i've been up here like eight different times and had to leave and it was hard. >> have a good one. >> appreciate it. >> good luck. stay out of here. >> you know it. >> it feels different. i guess there's nothing like walking out of prison, i guess. >> all right! >> being in jail is not real good. i don't like it. >> what's your name? >> jones. >> this is your property? we'll escort you out of here.
>> while he savors his first moments of freedom, back here, a new fight for freedom. aer hearing to determine if he's ready to be released back in general population from administrative segregation the only world he's known for the past 16 years. >> you're going all the way out with it, ain't you? the leash is off. >> all right! >> the prospect of mcquay, the killer of a correction's officer being released back into general population naturally has some staff on edge. >> offender mcquay, he comes off as a very well-spoken polite individual. that being said, he $have the conduct history with assault on staff. to murder charge of a staff member from a previous facility. so even though he does come across as a fighter individual you have to keep that in mind when you're dealing with him.
>> he's so evil now. they're so barbaric putting the changes on him. >> i do not trust him. i treat him with respect, but i do not trust him. >> the last time mcquay had a review with his case manager, beverly gilmore, she approved his request for a job. he hopes he can now persuade her that he's ready for general population. >> hey. >> hello, mr. mcquay. >> how are you? >> i'm all right, mrs. g, i got my presentation for my review. >> mr. mcquay, what makes you a good candidate for release from administrative segregation into the offender general population? >> i've engaged in rehabilitation that has allowed me to take a retrospective look, not only at my past violent behavior and my new more humbled
progressive behavior and i believe that i've made some significant strides in my social relationship with staff. >> all right, leonard, aye talk a mighty fine talk. however, how are we to be assured that you actually have soaked this in and believe it down into the bone marrow? >> i'm asking you, ms. gilmore and i'm asking the administration here, to open your hearts and look at me as a human being who has made some terrible mistakes, who has come back from the grave. i'm a new man. and the only way this new man can shine is that you give me the opportunity. please, give me a chance. that's all i need. >> i won't let you down, ms. gilmore. >> i'll summarize that in a statement. >> thank you. >> thank you, mr. mcquay.
>> they got reason to be concerned because of, you know, prior incidents. you know, associated with me. and the only way they can see that i'm not only a changed man ready to do something different with my life is to let me have an opportunity. i haven't had a chance and that's what i'm hoping for. >> coming up, marcus murray defends assantro. >> you have a salute, kind of like a lot of white sue prem cysts do. >> no, sir. >> and a decision is handed down on leonard mcquay.
i don't know. >> robby has been in prison for a little more than two years. in all that time, he hadn't had a single visit with his 3-year-old son. >> recent contact with the child's mother had given him hope that a visit might be imminent but now the child's mother represented in a tattoo on his arm, has changed her plans. >> she been talking about for the past two and a half months now i'm going to bring tre down there. and now all of the sudden, she's too busy. i think i'm going to turn her into a clown, bro. >> don't do that. >> whatever. you're just talking. he loves that girl with everything he's got. >> i love her but she ain't worth a [ bleep ]. >> she ain't worth a [ bleep ]. >> later, he revealed one possible reason why the mother of his child has not followed through on visits. he said it was an incident that happened before he returned to
prison. something he warm airi something he rarely talks about. >> it was a domestic battery and i haven't seen him since then. that's the last time i seen him was the night that happened. >> he can only accept the consequences of his actions. and do little to control developments with those he's left behind on the outside. but today, marcus murray was hoping to make the big change on the inside. >> how you doing? >> hi. >> he filed a grievance to have the assatru removed from tlis of security threat groups or gangs. today, security threat group coordinator, and assistant superintendent jerk hendricks have granted murray a hearing on the matter. >> if you were in a leadership position and you saw someone coming into your community or into your services with ill will or intent to participate in a activity, what would your take
on that be. >> i would tell them to go back from when they came. there's no reason to bring ill will into the -- it's a sacred place. if one person is sick in the group then we're all sick and if you're in the community you have a say so and if it's anything that's kind of, you know, controversial, it does get voted on. >> can you elaborate on that a little bit? >> let's say somebody had a new idea for how we salute each other or something like that. >> when you say "salute" you mean greeting someone? >>like a particular handshake or something. you know, like as a fraternity, people like to set themselves apart. >> you stated that you or your community have a greeting that you refer to as a salute. can you show maine what that refers to? >> i never said that. >> no? >> you mean like we say something. we say helsa which means hello and good health.
>> so you were not referring to a gesture? >> no. >> like a lot of white supremacists do, like the hitler salute? >> no, sir. >> one major question. what is your input on other races joining your community? >> we will discriminate against no one. regardless of race, gender, sex, creed, nationality origin or of their religion. we won't discriminate from that. >> you had a minority in a leadership role. >> no, we haven't. >> if that opportunity arose, would that be allowed. >> yes, it would. >> mr. hendricks, any other questions? >> not today. >> marcus, do you have any questions for us? thank you very much. >> thank you. >> the final decision could still be weeks off but the wait is over for leonard mcquay. prison officials have denied his request to be moved back to general population. >> he seems like he has everything in the world going for him but when you really sit
down and you really listen off the unit, when he thinks that you can't hear him talking, some of the things he talks about negative towards staff, when a staff person was assaulted by another offender in another cell house he was applauding. that's a telltale sign he's not ready to go into the general population. >> i don't want to lose my mind on the unit like this. i don't want to physically begin to deteriorate where i can't get no help. so i'm saying, i want to actually be given an opportunity to do something progressive with my life back here in solitary confinement, i can't do that.
due to mature subject matter, viewer discretion is advised. am i evil? yes i am. >> one inmate walks a fine line between heaven and hell. after a decade in confinement -- >> it just strips the humanity away from you. >> one of indiana's most infamous inmates moves to general population. >> i couldn't believe it with his reputation that he has. >> serving 100 years for a heinous crime, another inmate