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>> he wants to be here because he's still being molded. he's a kid and he's turning into something. >> delivering papers is temporary. >> but it's tough to find a job. >> i'm just glad you have aspirations. >> coming up -- two buy boyhood friends find themselves across from each other. and later, leonard tries to rehab him. >> i treat him with respect but i do not trust him. @ñ
i recognize that i have a family out there that really needs me. and have spent a lot of time away from me. i can't say i've only been the best for them. matter of fact, their lives probably would have been a lot better without me in it. >> the wabash institution is where some of the most violent inmates are housed here and they have been known to hurt each other. james stone has been in prison for 25 years for attempted murder and has had more than a couple scrapes during that time. some inmates are known to create knives out of toothbrushes and everything else. when stone was at a prison, he
devised a more unique weapon. >> the cheese graters was leather work gloves that i had. and i took pads off welding gloves, the inside of the welding gloves. i took the pads off of them. put varnish, dipped them in varnish, put the pads on top of the varnish to get hard and tacky. dripped them back down in the varnish and went over to the press where the metal curly cues are. i dipped down into a bunch of them so it looked like a metal bush on top of the gloves. then i let them dry for a minute and i ran them through the top layer of the varnish in the can so the can was wet to keep them from breaking off and let them dry on your hands while your hands stay balled up. then once they dry up, they last forever. every time you hit someone, it's just like taking cheese through a cheese grater. it's not pretty. it's like making slaw. >> among this population of
seasoned inmates like stone are two young cellies. once boyhood friends on the outside, they now rely on each other for survival on the inside. >> we met like at different places we hung out when we was, what -- >> 13? 14, maybe, at the latest. maybe even 12. >> robbie mananeri is serving 23 years for prison. >> i'll be 23 in a couple years and with parole violences, all together i've been to prison five times. but if i keep coming, eventually i don't want that. i really don't have nobody out there. i wish i had some place to go. i wish i could get on my feet and get a job and live life productively. i don't want to keep coming here. this ain't for me. everything happen with my bro,
he's going to help me stay out of here. >> you already know. >> unlike his brother out of prison several times, he was placed on house arrest and is serving 16 years for burglary and criminal gang activity. >> when i heard my sins, i was crying. at 18 getting 16 years, it seemed like forever. it seemed like, oh, man, i ain't ever getting out. we got a good relationship. we talk to each other crazy, smack each other around when nobody's looking. >> but it don't matter, it's always good right afterwards. >> even though the two are from the same hometown, their lives in prison would make it seem like they are from different sides of the tracks. >> his tv is just a little older model.
and my tv is one of the flat screens they just started selling. it's expensive but it's just a bigger picture, you know what i mean? everything in here is ours, you know what i mean? it's not -- whatever is mine is his, whatever his is mine. and that's the way we live. you know what i mean? >> thanks to support from his family, napier also has more money to spend on commissary snacks. so once a week he loads up for both himself and mcanalley. >> oh, man, he needs to carry half of everything. robbie! why would you just grab that? all the commissary goes in one box. we both eat out of it. he doesn't have a lot of things going for him that i have. so it's hard for him to stay on
the right path. >> one thing mcanalley does have is an abundance of tattoos. >> this is for my dad. this is for my mom, honor thy father and mother. over here we have naked bags and girls, money. >> don't you got a $100 bill? >> i do have a $100 bill tattoo? >> where is that at. >> that's crazy, boy. >> i got a $100 bill tatooed on my penis. >> so what do you tell the girls about that? >> i mean, that's money to blow. >> the imagery on mcanalley's body only tells the story. it's a picture tucked away that
tells the rest. mcanalley hasn't seen his 3-year-old son in more than two years. he's had a contentious son with his son's mother. >> the reason i got back to prison, i ain't seen him at all. that's been 26 months ago. >> napier is also the father of a young boy, 2-year-old bradley jr. >> this is what he sent me for my birthday. there's another thing he colored and put stickers all over. it's my world, it's my life. >> like other aspects of napier and mcanalley's relationships, they have a have and have-not quality. up like napier, he enjoys visits with his child. >> i wouldn't be able to go through what i go through not seeing my son. >> there's a reason i'm behind 26 months. >> that's just how it is. we are in two different places.
>> while mcanalley longs for a visit with his son, he's teaching religious beliefs to william jones jr. jones is two day ace way from leaving prison on parole and murray hopes he will help to keep him from returning to prison. >> so when you're hanging out at the house and you realize that you got bills to pay or something like that and somebody comes over and they offer you an opportunity for you to make a little bit of easy cash, you know, and go rob something, things go back. things break bad. people get involved. people that weren't supposed to be there come out with shot guns and you get killed. you end up being another justin. another heartbreak i have to deal with. >> i'm not going to die. >> i've been through this before. i've had friends of mine that i have taken under my wing, youngsters that get out before i do, anyway, and they get out there and they mess up.
in fact, i lost a friend about six years ago, justin, he got shot by a police officer in indianapolis. so i feel like i failed him. i promise you i will send you a card for every month you're out there, but if you come back, i will send a blanket party your way. >> i'm not coming back. >> all right. thank you. coming up -- leonard mcquay gets a job and a chance to prove himself. >> now that was to the dislike of some of my supervisors. they thought that i had lost my mind. and later -- marcus murray lashes out when a member says the wrong thing. >> you just made us look like a bunch of [ bleep ].
mandatory for muslims all over the world five times a day. >> mcquay is serving six years for the murder of a corrections officer at another indiana state prison 16 years earlier. since then he's been in administrative segregation at indiana's security holding unit. >> i read this every day. >> while mcquad says his koran helps him grow spiritually, his other books help him grow every day. >> every day i do me some curls right here. i do these, i do shrugs, what they call shrugs, i do these. i do the back arms like this. like this. it's probably about 55 or 60 pounds. >> mcquay has spent years trying
to earn his way back to general population, but his history of violence continues to haunt him. >> i continue an emotional response to disrespect. >> i was warned when i came into this job regarding offender leonard mcquay. leonard's very smart, very, very clever. he can talk a great talk. >> though caseworker beverly has raised questions about his worthiness, her goal to give segregation inmates a chance to prove themselves. so she recently made a controversial decision. after mcquay's successfully finished a jobs program, she gave him a job. >> i did give him a job.
that was to the dislike of my supervisors. they would never let him out of his cell and i said, let's give him a chance, i talked to leonard and said, one time you pass a scrap of paper to another vendor, you will be without your job. and we are watching him probably more closely than we are any, at least this miss gilmore is because i think he can do it. >> change is gained by behavior. if you are actually changing your behavior must change. and i believe my behavior has changed. >> mcquay's hopes a positive job performance will help him win a transfer and his review is less than a week away. >> bottom line, i'm still somebody who deserves to be treated as a human being. if it's give to me, i'll give it. treat me like a human being, give me the respect and courtesy of a human being and not an animal and you will receive the
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>> isolated in rural southwestern indiana. the wabash valley correctional facility is more than 100 miles from a major urban center. but it has plenty of reminders of urban problems behind its walls. >> wabash valley has approximately 43 different gangs and approximately around 400 different gang members. now that doesn't reflect all of our suspected members. those are all confirmed members. and we have approximately somewhere between 200 to 300 suspected gang members at this facility. >> most of the gangs are divided along racial lines. but the majority of gang members here belong to white supremacist gangs, like the aryan brotherho brotherhood. prison officials suspect that a growing religious group known as asatra could be affront for white supremacist gangs.
marcus murray is one of the members that denies that. >> there has never been anything in my study that is says one race is more dominant over another. one culture more dominant than another nor one dominant religion over another. asatra believers believe that my religion is fine, your religion is fine. >> this man says there's one group who is not welcome. >> if we found out that somebody in the asatra community was a child molester, he would be banned from the community. he cannot participate. it's a bylaw. you cannot be a sex offender and be an asatra. >> this member also defended the fact that some members have swastikas tattooed on their bodies. >> the swastika was around a long before adolf hitler came
along, okay? i don't have nothing against uncle adolf, but he took something from my religion which was a sun wheel and made it part of this party. and that goes back to ancient civilizations. they had a swastika in persia way before natural socialism came along. >> while ratcliff defended asatra, his comments disturbed murray who let him know how much when he returned to his cell. >> you just made us look like a bunch of [ bleep ]. >> i tried to talk about this with you. i swear i did. sorry, marcus. i [ bleep ] up. i'm sorry. i apologize. try not to get mad at me, man. >> it's hard not to, man. you just sank my boat. >> later we told murray we recorded his exchange with
ratcliff and asked him to explain it. >> i was a little mad at him. i mean, it -- he didn't mean -- he didn't mean any harm, he just, you know, ignorant of the conduction of leadership roles, you know, and i think now that he has seen, you know, that it upset me and knows that it's not really how we do business, i think he's changed his point of view. >> murray hopes to also change the point of view of prison officials. he will soon have a hearing with administrators to appeal their ban on group worship services among asatra members and to visit removed from the list of security threat groups. robbie mcanalley faces a different challenge. he not only feels isolated from his young son but from his boyhood friend who just happens to be his cell mate. >> my cellie he's a great dude, i have known him for years, even before we came to prison.
but i mean, i got my problems that i ain't seen my son in two years and [ bleep ] he gets to trip and act like he knows how i feel when he don't see his son for a week. he gets visits every week. everything possible in here he's got it and i'm hoo [ bleep ] up. >> mcanalley wears his prison frustration in ink. >> that says vengeance. i seek revenge for that. i had a lot of animosity built up when i got it. i'm hoping i can let things go now for my sake and for my son's sake. it ain't worth coming back to prison over. >> he points to another tattoo as the source of his frustration. >> the mother of my child. i'm kind of mad at her that she's held my son from me.
>> but that could be changing. a recent letter and her submission of a visitation request are indications that she's planning to bring mcanalley's son to see him. >> this ain't the first time she said she'll let me be in his life and all of a sudden she falls off again. so i'm not going to get my hopes up. last time i saw him he couldn't walk at all or talk. i can't wait to see him. >> while mcanalley clings to the hope that the visit will take place, his cell mate is enjoying a regular visit with his 2-year-old son brad jr. and his son's mother, jessica corn. >> score a touchdown. >> say touchdown! >> touchdown. >> bradley talks about his dad all the time. when we pull up and he sees the guard tower, that's daddy's tower. so inside you're thinking, great, he sees the tower and thinks of his dad, but on the
other hand that's his dad's house and he's excited to see him. >> this type of visit is unusual. this takes place in a common area usually, but this private session is in a play room. it's part of the prison's fatherhood program. >> fatherhood is great because i get to spend a lot more time with my son. i get to come in the visiting room and in the visiting room everything is great. it's one-on-one, me and him running around, playing ball. >> the monthly visits are carefully monitored by the program's coordinator, joshua cu cullens. >> they have a responsibility. even though they are in prison doesn't give them a pop copout not to be a dad. >> he hit his head. let my kiss it. now let daddy kiss it.
>> no. >> you'll be all right, boy. >> you're beast mode. >> you'll be all right. >> glad to see you, mr. napier. have a visit. >> following each visit he undergoes a review. >> let's talk about bradley crying. >> i think when he starts crying, i tell bradley to get up, he's fine. because he's raised bay whole bunch of women. and little boys being raised by a bunch of women get babied. and i don't want my son to grow up getting babied all the time. i want him to have some toughness because the world is tough. you have to go on anyway. >> i understand where you're coming from. i want to give you a suggestion. it's okay for him to cry. it's okay for you to say that he's okay and then address the situation and move on. it kind of seemed that some of your patterns came from just, okay, quick fix, let's get him on to something else so he stops
what he's doing. now that he's crying and finding out why he's crying and move on from that. do you understand what i'm saying? appreciate you coming in. >> thank you. >> all right, no problem. >> i like to hear insight on what other people think about me as a father. i'm going to give it some thought, but i know how to be a father. i've done good with it, you know. coming up, william jones says good-bye to his mentor and hello to life on the outside. >> don't come back. >> and leonard mcquay argues for a transfer out of con finement. >> that's all he need. e#01 @pp%
>> as the predawn darkness hangs over indiana's wabash correctional facility, most of the 2200 felons housed here are treated as one more routine day of up cars ration, but not william jones jr. today after three years he's going home. >> how do you feel today? >> nervous. i'm happy to leave, but it sucks i have to leave people in here. >> the one inmate he most hates to leave behind is his close friend and spiritual mentor, marcus murray, who is serving 60 years for murder. >> what's up, man? it's going to be hard, dude. you're going to miss me, you know it. >> i'm not going to miss you. >> man. be cool, man. >> all right. >> while jones spends his final moments in prison, just outside
the walls his older brother casey and casey's family arrive to pick him up. >> me and my brother are pretty close. i'm just glad i get to pick him up and not have to leave him here. i've been up here like eight different times and leaving him here was hard. >> have a good one. >> appreciate it. >> good luck. stay out of here. >> good luck, man. >> it feels different. i guess there's nothing like walking out of prison, i guess. >> all right. >> being in jail is not good for you. i don't like it. >> get in there. what's your name? >> jones. >> thank you. >> get your property and we'll escort you out of here.
>> releasing one from gate two. let's go. be right with you, ma'am. >> come on, billy. run to me. >> don't come back. i don't want to see you anymore. >> i ain't coming back. >> little bit normal? welcome home. i'm going to do the honors. >> yes, ma'am. >> cigarettes in the car. >> i can't handle that right now. >> give me a hug. i'm taking pictures. oh, man, finally. >> all right. everybody in. >> while jones savers his first
moments of freedom, back inside wabash convicted murderer leonard mcquay fights for a different freedom. he has a review hearing with his case manager to determine if he's ready to be released back into general population from administrative segregation, the only world he's nope for the past 16 years. >> you going all the way out with it, ain't you? dog leash and all. >> all right. >> the prospect of mcquay, the killer of a corrections officer, being released to general population naturally has some staff on edge. >> offender mcquay, he comes off as a very well spoken plight individual. that being said she recollects does have the conduct history with assault on staff, the murder charge of the staff member from a previous facility, so even though he does come across as a plight individual, you always have to keep that in mind when dealing with him.
>> he's so evil. they so ball bearing putting all them changes on that guy like that. >> i do not trust him. i treat him with respect but i do not trust him. >> the last time mcquay had a review with his case manager, beverly gilmore, she approved his request for a job. she hopes to persuade him that he's ready for general population. >> how are you, mr. mcquay. >> i have my presentation for my review. >> mr. mcquay, what makes you a good candidate for release from administrative segregation into the offender general population? >> i have engaged in rehabilitation that has allowed me to take a wet proretro specktive look, not only at my past, violent behavior and new
more humbled progressive behavior. and i believe that i've made some significant strides in my social relationship with staff. >> all right. l leonard, you talk a mighty fine talk. however, how are we to be assured that you actually have soaked this in and believe it down into the bone marrow? >> i'm asking you, miss gilmour, and i'm asking the administration here to open your hearts and look at me as a human being who has made some terrible mistakes, who has come back from the grave. i'm a new man. and the only way that this new man can shine is that you give me the opportunity. please give me a chance. that's all i need. i won't let them down, miss gilmore. >> i will summarize that in a statement. thank you, mr. mcquay. >> thank you. they have reason to be concerned
because of prior incidents, you know, associated with me. and the only with a that they can see i'm not only a changed man but i'm ready to do something different with my life is to let me have an opportunity. i haven't had a chance and that's what i'm hoping for. coming up, marcus murray defends astatra. >> you have a salute like a lot of white supremacists do. >> no, sir. and a decision is handed down on leonard mcquay.
i don't know. it's [ bleep ]. >> robbie mcanalley has been in prison for a little over two years and in all that time he hasn't had a visit with his 3-year-old son. recent contact with his child's mother gave him hope that a visit is eminent, but now the child's mother represented in a a tattoo on mcanalley's arm has changed her mind. >> i'm going to bring trey down there but now i'm too busy. i think i'm going to turn her into a clown. >> oh, whatever. he just talks [ bleep ]. he loves that girl. >> i love her but she ain't worth it. >> he just talks [ bleep ]. >> she ain't worth a [ bleep ]. >> later mcanalley revealed one possible reason why the mother of his child hasn't followed
through on incidents. he said it was something that happened before prison. >> it was a domestic battery. and i have not seen him since then, which was -- yeah, that's the last time i seen him was the night that happened. >> mcanalley can only do little controlled developments with those he's left on the outside, but today marcus murray is hoping to make a big change on the inside. >> how are you doing? >> hi. >> he filed a grievance to have asatra removed from the gangs. today the court marshall and jack hendricks granted murray a hearing on the matter. >> if you were in a leadership position and saw someone coming into your community or into your services with ill-will or intent to participate in the security group activity, what would your take on that be?
>> i would tell them to go back whence they came. there's no reason to bring ill-will into the hall. it's a sacred place. if one person is sick in the group, we're all sick. and if you're in the community, you have a say. so if it's anything that's kind of controversial, it does get voted on. >> can you elaborate on that a little bit? >> let's say somebody had a new idea for how we salute each other. >> when you say salute, do you talk about greeting someone? >> like a particular handshakes or something, like as a fraternity, people like to set themselves apart. >> you stated that you or your community have a greeting that you refer to as a salute. can you show me what that refers to? >> i never said that. >> no. >> you mean like we say something. we say hail sap, which means hello and good health.
>> so you are not referring to a gesture. >> no, no. >> a hand or body language or anything like that. >> no. >> kind of like a lot of white supremacists do with the hitler salute. >> no, sir. >> i guess i have one major question here. what is your input on other races joining your community? >> we will discriminate against no one. regardless of race or gender, sex, creed, nationality, origin or of their religion. we won't discriminate from that. >> do you have a minority in a leadership role. >> no, we haven't. >> if that opportunity arose, would it be allowed? >> yes, it would. >> mr. hendricks, any questions? >> no, i don't. >> marcus, any questions for us? >> no, i don't. >> all right, thank you. >> a final decision could be weeks off but the wait is over for leonard mcquay. prison officials denied his request to be moved back to general population. >> he seems like he has everything in the world going for him but when you really sit down and you really listen, off
the unit, when he think that is you can't hear him talking, some of the things he talks about negative toward staff, when a staff person was assaulted by another offender in another cellhouse, he was applauding. so that's a tell-tale sign he's not ready to go into the general population. >> i don't want to lose my mind on like this. i don't want to physically begin to deteriorate where i can't get no help. so i'm saying, i want to actually be given an opportunity to do something progressive with my life. back in solitary confinement. i can't do that.
. due to mature subject matter, viewer discretion is advised. am i evil? yes, i am. >> one inmate walks a fine line between heaven and hell. after a decade in confinement -- >> just strips the humanity away from you. >> one of indiana's most infamous inmates moves to general population. >> i couldn't believe it, with his reputation that he has. >> serving 100 years for a heinous crime,