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>> should boehner say impeachment is off the table? >> absolutely. >> when you talk about republicans wanting to impeach the president, this is not a small number. upwards of 60% of republicans would impeach this president. >> another day of fighting and intensity has already pushed the death toll here up to at least 39. >> edward snowden may soon be looking for a new home. the former nsa contractor turned whistleblower's temporary one-year asyl num russia expires today. 1:00 p.m. on the east coast, 10:00 a.m. on the west coast. here's what you need to know. developing news on capitol hill. the house is expected to begin vote anything minute on a bill to address the crisis at the border. it would allocate $659 million to respond to the surge of unaccompanied minors flooding our border. the president had asked for a whole lot more.
$4 billion. lawmakers have been debating the bill ahead of this vote. >> this is a good bill. this is a fair, sensible, reasonable address of the most immediate needs an the border. >> i rise today to oppose this bill that, sadly, falls short in too many ways. >> you are looking at a live picture of the debate leading up to this vote. the money would go towards the national guard and additional judges. if this bill passes, it will also vote an a second bill that would roll back a 2012 executive action that delayed the deportation of the children of undocumented immigrants. >> in the middle east, israel's calling up another 16,000 reservists for its fight against hamas. the number of israeli troops involved in this offensive now tops 80,000. today prime minister benjamin netanyahu vowed there will be no cease-fire until all of hamas' tunnels are destroyed. israel's ambassador to the u.s.
reiterated the clear focus of those tunnels earlier on "the daily rundown." >> you can have a cease-fire sooner than you destroy the tunnels. no matter whether there's a cease-fire or not he has to destroy this terror infrastructure that hamas has built up in gaza. >> the death toll in this conflict continues its steady and disturbing rise. now at 1,367 palestinians. mostly civilians. on the israeli side, 59. mostly soldiers. we're going to check in with richard engel on the ground in gaza in the next half hour. today in ukraine, international investigators gained their first access in days to the flight 17 crash site. they tweeted this detail. how they used a new route to get to the site. all week these investigators have been turned back by violence and pro-russian rebels. fighting intensified earlier this week as ukrainian forces tried to take back the crash site from separatist militias. any minute now, president obama is expected to sign a new
executive order expanding the rights of federal contractors. a way to work around a congress at a standstill. but not everybody is happy with that approach. just yesterday, house republicans voted to sue the president over his use of executive actions. house speaker john boehner and nancy pelosi traded these jabs over the lawsuit late this morning. >> no more unilateral action by the president. the president takes these actions, he'll be sealing the deal on his legacy of lawlessness. >> suing the president is ridiculous. they stroke to energize their base. they energized ours. >> congress, ladies and gents. how much is there to this suit? it charges that executive actions delaying obamacare's employer mandate overreached the president's constitutional duty to faithfully execute laws. yes, you heard that right. house republicans suing the president for delaying the very law they fought tooth and nail.
joining me now, mark halperin and a double down authorship fan, lonnie chen and former policy adviser to mitt romney. and ari, a scholar and gentleman. he hosts "the cycle" here. is there any legal standing for this suit? >> standing is the question, right? was somebody harmed in a way they can proceed an this case? there is a good chance the courts will dismiss it right there up front and say you weren't harmed in the way the constitution requires. it's also possible that a court could basically take what we'd call an expansive view standing and say, look, even if this is what might become a political question and we don't want to resolve it, we'll let it proceed to fight it out. either way i've always said this is too boring to excite the base for a long time. >> more an administrative base. some of the lawyers behind this suit have been creative about it citing this 1977 supreme court race rei-- case rains v. bird.
do you think the argument will fly? >> it's a complex legal argument. i thing bottom line is this question which is, do people really like the notion of how republicans suing the president of the united states? in some measure, i think clearly the base does, but for people who observe the process like me, there is something slightly off-putting about it. >> if you get passed this hurdle of the standing question and this were to go to court, what is the actual substantive merit of this claim here? article 1 gives the power to congress to legislate. article 2 says the president has to faithfully follow those laws. is delaying a mandate inn faithful to the reality of the law? >> they have a point which is they president exerted an amount of executive authority that most people believe is beyond the bounds of what was reasonable. is it worthy of a lawsuit? that's a separate question. the reality is the president did take action to delay a maurjor part of the law that has an
impact on coverage and cost and -- >> but you think it's unreasonable to say when carrying out a brand new national rule that basically they needed an extra year help companies deal with it? >> if there's specific legislative language -- >> the letter of the law seems clear. they are going against it. the problematic point is all the legislators involved seem to say the intent was not to bar this kind of delay. >> look, we know we're in crazy land when steny hoyer on "morning joe" cites justice scalia saying this is a case justice scalia wouldn't say is okay. if you were teaching a civics class you'd say here's what the law said. here's what the executive did. that might go too far. there's a little bit of an argument here, about their having standing, but i think in the end it's going to be -- the courts will say you guys fight it out. >> even for constitutional law scholars who have serious, serious problems with the issue of presidential overreach it seems like there are some very
problematic elements to this particular suit. there are actually republicans who agree with that, although in a surprising way, five exactly, i think we have a list of them who voted against this suit. but most of them only did it because they think it didn't go far enough. what do you make of that, mark? >> look, the reality is, i agree with ari it's boring. i agree that the base of the republican party will be fired up by this. there's a need on the side of the republican party to galvanize the focus of their base voters and a lot of these targeted states and races that says this president needs -- there needs to be a check on this president. some of the things they want to talk, about the economy, obamacare, environmental policies and some places, those are issues that are lingering. in politics you need something new and fresh and emotional. this is an attempt to inject that into the race. >> in congress they always say you want to revise n extend others remarks. i would revise that in one way. mark is hitting an the politically animating spirit of this. having said that, there's also a
constraint here. there's only certain overreach they want to deal with. immigration and obama care are hot button issues and they couldn't find something strong enough to -- >> this is the best they could come up with. >> i think so. i also think there are many areas of executive power under this president that are far more concerning from a substantive legal perspictive, including claiming the authority to execute americans without due process or trial. bush got criticized for detaining people that way white house process. we're talking about killing them off the battle field in some cases. but you don't see the serious wrest lung wiling with the dron because most americans disagree with what i just said. they are comfortable with that power. there are bigger legal questions here that the republican party has also shied away from for political reasons. >> this is one of the few things congress has gotten done in recent memory. we're looking at the calendar. do we have a calendar here? i believe they only had six weeks left of work in the year. >> it's an election year. >> those highlighted periods are
the only work that congress is getting done coming up. of course, they begin their next vacation tomorrow. do you expect any major legislation to get through? >> no, and no. no, i really don't. i think the reality is, it's an election year. you'll see some things that may be slightly distasteful on both sides. they are trying to position -- each party is trying to position itself. and the reality is doing major pieces of legislation, crafting major pieces of compromises, not so good in an election year. >> let's talk about cantor. last day for eric cantor. you said this about him in double down. quote, the president disliked a fair number of republicans but even eric cantor and mitch mcconnell didn't cause the bile to gurge in his throat the way romney did. think president obama is losing any thought on cantor being an his way out? >> in the short term his departure doesn't afifect the president's legislative agenda. we'll see what the results of the election are. eric cantor was, despite his
reputation in some quarters, was on some issues a moderating influence. he was not able to bring that many compromises forward, but on issues like worker training, on family issues, on immigration, he was a more moderating influence than he was given credit for. >> definitely too few moderating influences. too little bipartisanship. that's what i did before we part ways. you had an incredible exclusive yesterday, ari. you had senators rand paul and cory booker on talking about incarceration in this country. huge problem. both of them are stating their reputations on it. tell us about the possibility for bipartisanship on issues that aren't as much wedge issues everywhere. >> one thing you see there is that wasn't a meeting two of people who compromised, cut everything in half and met in the middle. this was a meeting two of people from a libertarian and mabl a social justice perspective have long said there are fundamental problems with the war on drugs. let's fix them. you look at this bill. is strong. it's the kind of bill that five or ten years ago would have been
seen as medical malpractice for someone running for president. rand paul saying we cannot take children and try them as adults, even if they did commit certain big crimes. we cannot put them in solitary confinement. and perhaps most controversially, we need to give snap benefits, welfare, to people who have paid their time in service. it was president clinton who passed the '96 welfare law saying we're going to take that away. and the whole message is we can't stigmatize people forever. once they serve their time let's reintegrate them into the economy and society. >> it's important you are doing reporting an this. we had another bipartisan duo. congressman reichert and bass on foster care. >> they hugged at one point. >> look at that photo op. i would love to see more of that. thank you for championing that and thank you both for being here. side note in double down, he calls you a pugnacious wonk. congrats. >> i guess that's a good thing. all right.
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breaking news in moscow this morning. there are reports that nsa leaker edward snowden has gotten papers to leave the moscow airport. that he's been living there in the airport for more than a month after arriving from hong kong. nurchlt >> new fallout after russia's decision to grant edward snowden temporary asylum.
>> the u.s. remains mighty au yy as thei russians for that. >> one year later, ed war snowden's temporary political asyl num in russia expires toda. we're waiting an russia's decision to extend his temporary stay or possibly grant him permanent asylum. the u.s. wants snowden deported to face espionage charges. what's next for snowden? and what's next for the american sorry va surveillance state he reveals. glen greenwald, represeorter the intercept and author of "no place to hide." glen, what's can you tell us about the status of mr. snowden's asylum request? >> remember
when the russians granted him asylum they stated two different grounds. one was there's no legal basis to turn him over to the u.s. because the u.s. and russians don't have any extradition treaty which is a ground the u.s. cited numerous times when
refusing to turn over accused criminals to the russians who were on u.s. soil. and secondly that he faced persecution. that he'd be put into a cage for the next several decades by virtue of his whistleblowing activities which are heralded around the world. neither of those two grounds has changed. the russians have indicated publicly and in other ways they intend to extend his asylum and so i think the chances that mr. snowden will end up in u.s. custody and anything resembling the near future is very, very low.
basically nonexistent. >> do you personally feel that he faces persecution? >> he definitely faces persecution. if you look at what even leading journalists have said over and over over the last five years it's the climate in the united states under the obama administration is hostile to the news gathering process. sources are prosecuted more vindictively and aggressively under the espionage act than at any other time in american history. the problem, ronan if he were to come back and face trial he'd be
barred from raising the defense he wants to raise which is that he was justified in revealing this information. his conviction would be essentially guaranteed. it's not really a fair trial. >>
what needs to change about how the united states treats whistleblowers legally for you. >> unfortunately, the obama administration has dredged up this 1917 statute called the espionage act which was enacted under woodrow wilson as a mean to criminalize those against the u.s. involvement in world war i. it's an incredibly broad statute that allows the u.s. government to punish virtually anybody who takes action or discloses information that the united states government doesn't want disclosed. in the post 9/11 era courts have said the defense that most whistleblowers want to raise which is, yes, i disclose this information but doing so is justified because it revealed serious wrongdoing on the part of the u.s. government that should never have been kept secret in the first place is not
a defense. they are literally not allowed to utter that defense. and i think reform of that law to make it a law that reflects our current values and that gives whistleblowers a fighting chance in court is a crucial first step. >> even storied
whistleblowers have come out and said perhaps that does need to change and perhaps until then he shouldn't come home. this afternoon the cia admitted to gaining access to information on senate intelligence committee computers. this was a big fight between them a while back. they apologized to the committee. how endemic in your view is the cia spying an congress? >> just think about the -- what this means. these are the people in congress who are supposed to exercise oversight over the cia. the people who appropriate their budgets and who are supposed to ensure that they are abiding by the law. the cia just cavalierly invaded the privacy of their communications illegally and then the director of the cia denied it ever happened only for
it to turn out that it did. think about what that says about what the u.s. intelligence committee is willing to do with their surveillance opportunities, how cavalier about breaking the law. if they are willing to invade the communication of the senate which is investigating them. this is not just some sort of ablation. this is why secret surveillance is so dangerous because inevitably it gets abused in the most extreme ways possible.
>> let's talk about america's spying relationships away from home. germany has been a big player. their justice minister said snowden should cut a deal and come home. even talk of snowden going to germany to testify. seems clear that merkel and that government would likely extradite him to the states. do you think european powers like germany should be more confrontational to the u.s. on this? >> i think all countries that have said that they have benefited greatly as a result of his revelations which certainly includes germany but also includes france and spain and brazil which is where i currently am and where i live, have the not just moral
obligation but legal obligation to protect his rights, even if it means risking some tension with the united states, exactly the way he risked his own material self-interest. so i think it's appalling to watch these governments who have benefited so much from his revelations who have now able to protect the privacy not just of their leading government officials but their populations as a result of what he did turn their back on him and not protect his rights, which is why russia is the place that he continues to be. so i do think there's some real debate in places like germany, brazil and other places about the prospect he could be granted asylum. i'm not so sure it want happen. but i think the fact it hasn't after a year is sort of shameful. >> you've also been
reporting an problematic spying relationships. you've been writing about saudi arabia, our relationship with them is obviously going strong despite sig enough kant humnifi rights abuses on their part. do you think it will trigger conversations with some of these more uneasy bedfellows?
>> one would hope. the united states relies an its ability to go around the world claiming it stands for democracy and condemning tyranny. we love to talk about vladimir putin and all his oppressive measures. yet here's probably if not the most brutally oppressive, one of the most brutally oppressive regimes in the world, saudi arabia, and the nsa in 2013 established a cooperative relationship with their most extremely oppressive agency, the ministry of interior, where we provide training and technology to teach them how to better surveil their citizens. why should that possibly be something we as americans are comfortable with, having our government aid this repressive machinistry within this horribly repressive regime. i hope shining a light on it causes a debate about whether that's what we want to do and whether the u.s. government rhetoric about believing in democracy and spreading freedom has any authenticity at all. >> there have been significant reforms in how we storm meta data. i guess we'll have to see
how these filter in to our
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british perhaps and other countries raise the issue in ordinary meetings, periodic meetings they have so we need to discuss this issue, is it appropriate to have this venue in russia at this particular time. >> we asked you to tweet us your thoughts. russia world cup or no russia world cup? you've responded en masse. this shows the huge num bir of people weighing in and expressing their anger. fifa hasn't commented since last week when they said an their website, fifa is convinced that through football, particularly the fifa world cup, we can achieve positive change in the world. but football cannot be seen as a solution for all issues, particularly those related to world politics. we love hearing from you on this. keep those responses coming. again, here are the hashtags. here's another story that a huge number of you have responded to. our call to action this week an foster care.
>> that's one of the biggest problems that they just look at us like the reason we're in foster care is our fault. that's how a lot of people view it. and then like even though coming into the system, they are like, oh, no it's not your fault but it's just like throughout the entire years that i've been in it, you've got -- you guys made me feel like it was my fault. >> that was clarabelle an her life in a system that keeps far too many kids alive to send them to unemployment or jail. can we just agree there's a sizable chunk of public policy that doesn't care about foster kids? for-profit prisons getting paid. patricia says if i have more access to life skills training, my brief period in the foster care system would have made for an easier transition. head to ronnan daily.msnbc.com to add our signature urging the
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hit that produce market. just moments ago, strong words from the white house about an attack an a u.n. school in gaza. >> the shelling of a u.n. facility that is housing innocent civilians who are fleeing violence is totally unacceptable. and totally indefensible. >> 15 were killed. the tragedy prompted the head of the u.n. relief agency in gaza to break down on camera. >> how much longer can this go on? let's get the latest from gaza. chief foreign correspondent richard engel. richard, it's great to have you on the program. we're glad you're save ofe out there. that attack on the school was the sixth so far. is there any sense at this point there's any safety in gaza?
>> there is absolutely a feeling that no place is safe. particularly these shelters. gaza is a small piece of land. very crowded. there is now fighting in about 40% of the territory and israel has dropped leaflets. they've made public calls for people in those areas. again, about 40% of a very small amount of territory to leave their homes and find shelters. and about 10% of all of the people in gaza, actually just over 10% are living in u.n. schools. they are packed to capacity. these aren't shelters. they are schools. so they don't have many bathrooms, bedrooms. they are just schools. and six times these schools turned into shelters have been hit. and we've talked to people in them and they say where else are we supposed to go? we left our areas to go to safer places and then we were hit in what we thought were safer places. we have not seen any evidence of
this allegation that these people are being used as human shields. we visited several schools. we didn't see any hamas presence. we certainly didn't see any hamas fighters holding people there against their will. they were staying there because they felt they had nowhere else to go. by the way, that u.n. school that was hit just about over 24 hours ago that the white house was talking about, people are still living there, even after it was hit. even after the bathroom was hit and efrl of the classrooms were hit because they don't have anywhere else to go. >> for people watching at home, i want to highlight how important that piece of reporting is. no evidence that you are seeing of that being used as human shields. the israeli military just called up an additional 16,000 reservists. what's the reaction been to that on the ground? >> the reaction here in gaza is the reaction we've seen from the very beginning. hamas says it will continue fighting until its demand is met. and it really has one demand. that is to open the seizure,
open the siege of the gaza strip to allow people here to travel more, to do business, to import and export goods out of the gaza strip because right now this is a closed area. the border with egypt is closed. the border with israel is closed. the sea is closed. so people can't move. and they say 16,000, 30,000, 50,000, that is going to be their continued demand. >> nbc's richard engel in gaza. important reporting you are doing. thank you. just in, the u.s. issued travel warnings for three west african countries due to the historic ebola outbreak unfolding there right now. and there's an incredible story of sacrifice surrounding two american missionaries stricken with this virus in liberia. we want to tell that to you now. one is dr. kent brantly. he took a turn for the worse in the last few hours. the group america's purse says an experimental serum arrived
yesterday but there was only enough for one. dr. brantly insisted it go to his fellow missionary nancy writebol. you see her there on the right. just today the world health organization increased the death count to 729 from this outbreak. joining me now is professor thomas geisburg who teached immunology at the university of texas. you are working on vaccines and treatments for ebola. can you tell us the progress of that work? >> we've made a lot of progress. of course, ebola was discovered in 1976 and there were efforts to develop vaccines and treatments from the very beginning. at that time we only had two biosafety level four labs in the united states. one in ft. dietrich, maryland, and one in atlanta. but with the building of a few more labs, there's really been a tremendous increase in progress on developing vaccines and treatments. particularly over the last five to ten years. we now have at least four, maybe five vaccines that can completely protect a laboratory
animals, including nonhuman primates against ebola. >> when you see these latest numbers, 729 people dead at this pont, how much of that is the result of a broken, deficient health care system in africa just not being able to cope with this? >> i think that's a big factor. i think there's also some things we really don't know. historically, ebola outbreaks have been occurred in central africa and they've been very well contained. there's a lot of organizations that have stepped in. the world health organization, the u.s. centers for disease control and prevention and also humanitarian aid organizations. a lot of skill in handling these outbreaks. and historically they occur in small villages. they go in and quarantine the area. this is a very different situation in west africa where you have the virus occurring simultaneously and breaking out simultaneously. agone, three or four different countries. it's a very large area.
so that skilled set of people, that group of people that's great at responding to these, they are spread real thin. that plus the poor infrastructure in that part of the sworld making it difficult to contain. >> there's even fear of this in ne america. there's a community in minnesota readying safeguards against ebola just in case this pandemic comes here. obviously there's no talk of that in the scientific community but how worried should the rest of the world be? what if a number of people from this region hop on planes? >> i think it's highly unlikely someone would hop on a plane and come to the united states or europe. this disease, what happens is when you are at a point when you are showing the virus, which means you could potentially transmit it to another human being, you are so sick you'll not be able to get on an airplane. you'd maybe be in an early stage of the disease when you wouldn't
be shedding it to other people. if you go to the europe or united states it will be recognized when you show up at a hospital or clinic and be quarantined. i can't say the risk is zero but it's very, very low that that would ever come to the u.s. or europe or first world country. >> thank you for breaking this down for us. thank you for the research that you are doing. up next today an the show. you voted for it. we are reporting it. your underreported story this week. it's a big one. we tackle it right after the break. [ woman ] i've always tried to see things from the best angle i could.
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problem is. 6,613 sworn law enforcement officers were involved in reports of police misconduct of some kind nationwide in 2010. according to the cato institute. that's the last available data that we have. so you can see the highest number of reports were near los angeles, phoenix and chicago as well as new york city. 247 dayligeaths were associated those reports just that year. joining me now, kari lazar white of the brotherhood, sisterhood soul which works extensively on this issue of police reform. so today's roundtable has a lot offing about nam big names. can it really accomplish anything? >> i don't think that a roundtable is what's going to accomplish something. new york city's police force is officerly 36,000 officers. you're talking about a force that has to have comprehensive reform to change policies that are very problematic. it can't be about a roundtable but systemic change.
changing broken windows, policing which it does not work. deal with police officers who are out of control. there's a percentage of the nypd that even the nypd acknowledges are brutal and out of control. how do you deal with them, remove them and how do you train officers and deal with this intersection of criminal justice, race and masculinity that responds to this type of incident. >> how big a problem do you see this as being nationwide? >> it's a national issue. any time you put people in a position of authority over others and they have the ability to exert life or death force over people, when they carry weapons and they are entrusted to enforce the laws of the nation but in a subjective way. we have subjective policing all across the country. certain neighborhoods are policed particular ways. who to arrest, who to prosecute, who to incarcerate. until we have comprehensive reform, as you talked about earlier, around criminal justice, but also around policing at the front end, we're
going to continue to have these kinds of -- >> let's talk about comprehensive reform. what specifically needs to change? >> in terms of policing in an urban area we have to change the broken windos policing. we cannot enforce low-end crimes and ticketable offenses in certain areas and not others. marijuana, moving between trains, being in the park without i.d.s. the things that criminalize young people. there has to be a severe response to incidents like the ones like the one that resulted in the killing of eric garner. they have to be removed from the force. obviously around brutality, death, any type of action has to be a response. it's much more comprehensive. and we have to look at training of the police. we have to look at how we're teaching police to police communities. how they intersect with the community and how they identify who is a threat and who is a citizen. at the end of the day, we have constitutional rights that must be respected as people. >> let's be direct when we talk about who is identified. a huge number of the allegations are racially charged in some
way. how big a problem is that? >> this is the united states of america. there's a long history of the intersection of race and the policing of black and brown people. and we cannot remove ourselves from that reality. and so today any time you have a police force of 38,000 people or 36,000 people in new york city that's policing overwhelm league black and brown communities in very different ways, we need the mayor and the police commissioner to recognize and identify that this is not about isolated incidents but about black and brown working class and poor communities being treated differently. that has to change on a policy level or we continue to see these types of incidents. >> thank you for the work you are doing on this. >> thank you for having me. up next, one of the most isolated places on earth is opening up. and you can send your kids there for summer camp? we go there after the break. h ig in his heart health by eating kellogg's raisin bran ® good morning dad. hi, sweetie. here's another eye opener, not only is kellogg's raisin bran ® heart healthy,
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house of representatives, the republicans, and voted to sue me for taking the actions that i -- that we are doing to help families. one of the -- one of the main objections that's the basis of this suit is us making a temporary modification to the health care law that they said needed to be modified. so they criticized a provision, we modify it to make it easier for businesses to transition and that's the basis for their suit. now, you could say that, all right, this is a harmless political stunt except it wastes
america's time. you guys are all paying for it as taxpayers. it's not very productive. >> not very productive. president obama dropping the mike. take a look at this live picture. the president now getting ready to sign a new executive order about rights for federal contractors. working around congress by whatever means necessary. and finally today, some global news. this week north korea is opening its doors. exactly how may actually surprise you. the supreme court leader himself, kim jong-un reopened a summer camp for kids around the world. it features a private beach, water slides and volleyball courts. all of which may seem a little extravagant in a country where so many children are starving and so many people are in secret prison camps. but again, this is north korea we're talking about. all right, joining us now, the author of "the birth of korean cool." you see it there. so tell us, this camp reopened on tuesday.
there are kids from russia, china, ireland, tanzania, it seems that a country that locked up 100,000 political prisoners in various camps, right now that's the count of prisoners, do you see this facility as anything more than just a fig leaf? >> i actually think that this is a counter charm offensive on the part of north korea to do something kind of what the south has been doing for many years, which is to say bring in countries ideally people from underdeveloped countries and show them their best side because i think they're very aware that north korea has the worst pr problem they have ever had. at least kim jong-un's grandfather was considered scary, and the current one is having a movie made about him starring seth rogen. >> people don't take him seriously. >> people don't take him seriously and that is a serious problem if he wants to continue
to blackmail the world for billions of dollars. >> it seems like this represents the fiscal policy problems in north korea, as a whole. there's this lavish spending on a summer camp while we have at latest count one in four children in north korea starving, stunted new to chronic malnutrition. what's going to change that, euny? >> what's going to change the conditions in north korea? >> fix north korea for us, would you? >> well, unfortunately what probably has to happen, and i say unfortunately because people in south korea don't like this, is that south korea is going to have to take the high road and offer aid as a way of sort of opening up gates and unofficially dismantling the system. >> let's talk about the role the south can play. north is tremendously prideful. look at the pomp and circumstance of some of their large-scale celebrations. they do those group activities. there are some promos there you see. do you think that their desire to be taken seriously and convey that grandeur can get people on the south more on board with the agenda you described? >> well, i think that it's --
what's significant about this particular camp is the focus on children, because that's sort of a universal unifying thing. i think that's very much what they're going for here. you've seen with all the world's totalitarian dictatorships that they love pictures of children. hitler's cinemaographer loved shooting images of children. >> a controversial figure. this is an important process of maybe some day north korea opening up. appreciate you weighing in. >> thank you. >> that wraps things up. thank you all for joining me. now it's time for "the reid report" with my colleague krystal ball pinch hitting. >> that is next on "the reid report." as well as breaking news on the republican immigration bill they should have already voted on. let's just say it's not good news for speaker boehner. why so last minute, you ask?
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hello, everyone. i'm krystal ball in for joy reid and this is "the reid report." israel doubles down on its military offensive calling an additional 16,000 reserves to the front line. then fuel up the jet, summer recess is almost here and congress already has one foot out the door. moments ago the house pulled the border bill, so it looks like they won't get anything done on immigration before they leave town. congressman henry cuellar of texas will join me to discuss what he thinks is the solution to this border crisis. here's a hint, it actually
hasn't made him the most popular guy among his fellow democrats. and waging the war for women. how changing corporate culture is also good for business. we start, though, with the war in gaza where israeli prime minister benjamin netanyahu made it clear today no cease-fire until israel has completed the destruction of all hamas tunnels leading into israel. netanyahu said in televised remarks that he has called up an additional 16,000 reservists to combat hamas as the war now enters its 24th day. the fighting has taken a particularly brutal toll on gazans. more than 1400 mostly civilians have died. attacks of critical infrastructure have left them struggling for food, electricity and drinkable water. the proportionality has elifted