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it's hard for americans who poses a threat and who doesn't, let's face it, they have been lied to a lot over the past decade but the "wall street journal" has this great article talking about the industry that isis is, an industry of extortion. they have hundreds of millions of dollars and very dangerous. then the fallout yesterday from a story we first ran here yesterday morning on the tragic death of the gun range -- at the gun range. bullets and burgers is actually what they call the tourist -- the tour that these people were taking yesterday. >> they shoot all sorts of weapons. >> this girl girl was from new jersey and they drove out from las vegas. the parents, we find out, are the ones that are videotaping
this. i talked to so much friends, because i have so many friends being from the south that grew up in a culture of guns. there's so many things that are wrong here. even the most ardent second amendment right supporters saying this should have never happened. >> it is so shocking that it has been covered around the world. my father was in town last night and he watches the bbc and they covered it in depth because it raises so many questions ranging from parenting to why in the world would an 9-year-old in this case would be handling a weapon like that? the gruesomeness of what happened. >> you hate to talk about the instructor who died tragically, but i've heard so many people that have worked at ranges saying he should have had his hands on the gun. >> of course. >> there were so many things that went wrong here.
and for the nuts, the absolute nuts to go online yesterday defending this is beyond me. i had a guy. >> oh, no. >> i had a guy tweet, and i asked the question, why would we have a -year-old girl shooting an uzi. and he showed a picture of somebody walking down a street in iraq carrying a separate hand and he said, this is why! this is why! i wanted to reply but my followers always told me don't feed the trolls. i wanted to reply, if we are depending on putting uzis in the hands of 9-year-old girls to save american, we might as well put the islamic flag over the
brooklyn bridge right now. >> the family says it's fun for them. >> one could argue whether that should be, but, i mean, the reality was the instructor, she could barely hold the gun. i think you look at this poor girl and what is her life story from this moment on? and you can put aside all of the gun nuts and anything else of that, but you look at this. how is this little girl going to move forward? >> the thing is, i think there has to be a lot more regulation at these gun ranges. my argument has always been if you want to fire an automatic weapon, like a real -- not a semi. but if you want to fire these military style weapons, a gun range request proper training is actually the best place to do that. i've always said, all of these people that want to have these massive weapons, military-style weapons in their home to protect from home invaders, that's
crazy. people love firing these guns, that's great but fire them at gun ranges and have the gun ranges regulated so 9-year-old girls from jersey can't come in and get an uzi and fire it. it is a real tragedy. but we will get to that later in the show. >> yep. i want to get to the morning grind. toppling the news this morning a law enforcement official tells nbc news it appears a second american has been killed while fighting for the militant group isis in syria. his identity has not yet been revealed but reports suggests he died in the same firefight as american doug mccain who joined ranks with the terror group after crossing the border from turkey. >> let's get this right. another american goes to syria and joins isis and how does that end up? >> badly. >> they die. it's going to happen to you, okay? just stay in minnesota, okay? it's not going to end up well
for you. when you go over there, we are going to kill you, right? don't join isis, okay? go to disney land. by some accounts up to 100 u.s. citizens are fighting along the lamic extremist. the mother of another u.s. journalist being held hostage by isis is speaking out. shirley sotloff made a plea to the leader of the islamic state, the group that executed james foley. >> since steven's capture i've learned a lot about islam. i've learned that they teach that no individual should be held responsible for the sins of others. steven has no control over the actions of the u.s. government. he's an innocent journalist. i've always learned that you, the kaliff can grant amnesty. i ask you to please release my
child. >> that was really compelling, mike barnicle. she put a challenge to this guy, basically, saying if you're so mighty and powerful, then you, islam teaches us, you have the power to show mercy to my son. >> unfortunately, sadly, it will fall on deaf ears because we are dealing with people with an apock apocalyptic version of the future. i doubt they will pay any attention to this woman. >> we will see. they will pay for what they did to jim foley and they will find out as the days and weeks or months go by that they have pissed off the american people who are war weary and wanted to stay out of iraq. i think that moment is going to do more to show the nature of this group's evil and they will rule the day.
like i said before, we know how this story ends. osama bin laden, bullet through his eyes. saddam hussein head ripped clear off his shoulder. you could go through one terrorist after another terrorist. the most dangerous job in the world is being the number three world at al qaeda and this always ends this way. mike, i know you're the only one here old enough to remember like me. remember when noriega gives a speech and if americans come down to panama and has a sword and banging, they will die in the junglgles of panama! now he is in jail and he is going to rot in jail! this is how it always ends. we always get the enemy. we always get the thug. >> the vision of panama lasted about 45 minutes and noriega is
in jail in florida and still in jail in florida. this is different. this is a hydra headed monster. we have been killing the number three person at al qaeda for 14 years. there is a always a new number three and there will be a new number one, two, and three of isis no matter what we do. the benefit we might gain from this is when congress comes back, they might be forced and the president might be forced to have a legitimate national discussion about this. >> guess what some they are going to come together. this is the danger. they have access to oil and they have access to extortion to hundreds of millions of dollars. they have the power. they have got money. they have the power to get their hands on some weapons that could kill a lot of people in the united states, kill a lot of people in london and kill a lot of people in paris and if we don't stop them and we don't take the territory away from them and seize their assets, we are all -- this is -- this is --
as grave of a threat as osama bin laden in 2001. a texas father has been acquitted of murder. david barajas was acquitted of shooting a drunk driver that killed both of his sons in a wreck. the family was in tears in the courtroom moments after the jury found him not guilty. bandas car slammed into barajas truck. he and his young sons were pushing it along the road to their nearby house. the prosecutor claimed barajas went home and got a gun and came back to the scene and shot banda in the head. in the end the jury acquitted barajas and he emerged to applause as he spoke to his family and media. >> how does it feel, david? >> a lot of weight lifted off my back. i'll still destroyed. i'm missing my sons. always and forever.
it's been a lot of weight lifted, but i'm still hurt. i'm still hurt. very hurt. >> listen. >> this story is heart breaking. >> it is so heart breaking. maggie, i'm sorry, everybody on the jury and everybody in that courtroom and everybody in america knows who went home and got the gun and came back. like they were looking for an excuse not to convict this father and none of us can put ourselves in the position where this father is and where he was that night after he saw his two sons killed. >> if it happened, a crime of passion. >> that's what the prosecution said according to the reports that i read that the jury -- there was no actual physical evidence that linked him. there was no gun powder on his hands. i think the challenge is this is a crime of passion. the town, 50%, 60%, you go on the blogs this morning, i would have done the same thing.
that's what parents say. unfortunately, the challenge is many people lose their family members, they don't go and take the law into their own hands and i think the challenge is how do we manage this and does it say something bigger about where we are with our justice system that most people felt this was justice versus the system. >> you wonder if i would have done the same thing is perhaps what was part of the equation in the decision that was made because so many people chiming in, what would you have done? what would you have done? and they are saying -- >> i have no idea what i would have done. i know most people in line say they would have done the same thing. i think all of us in this situation feel like our lives came to an end. >> yeah. >> i don't know in that moment what i would have done. >> you lose your mind. >> removed from it all, mike, we are a nation of laws, not a nation of men. that's what separates us from other countries. so if this man did this, if they
had the evidence, then just letting him go -- >> revenge is understandable but it's not a code of law. >> yeah. >> he now lives with three losses. his two sons and the loss of something internally because if you kill another human being, that sits with you forever. >> he was acquitted. >> he was acquitted. i think that also the emotionalness of this trial, little boys were killed before christmas and they were buried with their toys that they were going to get. the entire town was really emotionally fighting. >> let me get one more story in. >> let me ask you this. in all of your years in working with news, did you ever have a fellow anchor or a news executive come up behind you, squeeze you and say, you know what? don't lose toomp weig much weig. i like my children chubby.
>> no. it's been keep losing weight, please. i can't lose enough. >> they are just heartless around here. >> dresses aren't going to fit. senator kirsten gillibrand -- i was wondering where you were going with that. >> this is one of the most unbelievable -- i can't believe neanderthals. >> kirsten gillibrand is making new rounds for her book and revealing comments she made. "people" magazine details some of the more uncomfortable moments of the book. for instance, while in the congressional gym, the mother of two says another male colleague told her, quote, good thing you're working out because you wouldn't want to get porky. you were working there, right? no. on separate occasion -- >> you can't put that one on me. >> after she lost 50 pounds, a member of the senate squeezed her stomach saying, don't lose too much weight now. i like my girls chubby.
who did that? >> it's madmen all over again. >> maggie, it's still madmen in a lot of places. i'm sorry. tv networks. a lot of friends that work at a lot of tv networks. it's crazy. congress, crazy. >> i think it's worse than ever because we live in a visual age. our kids take pictures all of the time and they know how to pose and do all of these things. >> we are kind of caught in this middle ground between what sells, what people think sells, and what we are supposed to be which is real and normal. >> mike and i go through -- when we walk down these halls. >> you could see what happens to me in central park. >> bill called you yesterday and told you you needed to look more like a gq model. >> i need to lose a little bit
of weight. >> no, that was me. ahead we talk to an owner of a gun range. tina wilson colin will join us ahead. rand paul gives hillary clinton a taste of what is to come if she decides to run for president. why the kentucky senator said good thing hillary didn't get her way while serving as secretary of state. a panda fakes her pregnancy to get special perks at a research center. >> i like that. >> that's a smart panda. you're watching "morning joe." we will be right back. ♪
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♪ time to take a look at the morning papers. "wall street journal," the fbi and secret service are looking into whether russian hackers are behind recent attacks on jpmorgan chase and four other financial institutions. according to bloomberg news, officials are investigating whether the incident is possible
retaliation for u.s. sanctions against russia. officials say the cyber attack resulted in the loss of sensitive data. >> "the new york times" has a new report shedding like on ube, sneakee means. >> unbelievable! >> their competitor is lift. according to e-mails and interviews obtained by the verge, uber attempt to siphon drivers from other companies are using former contractors saying uber tries to recruit them and they offer anything to get started including iphone, cash, even a contract on the spot so lift is accusing uber of booking and cancelling rides. >> they had burn phones so they couldn't be traced. bad news. the production behind the
show" cops" is vowing to support the family of a crew member killed while filming this week. a seven-year vet of the show was struck by an officer's bullet during a shoot-out with a robbery suspect in omaha on tuesday. while crew members wear protective gear officials say the bullet slipped through an open spot in his vest. the police department is investigating the incident. this marks the first time a crew member was killed in the show's 25-year history. >> wow. the new york daily news out with a newly released transcript for john lennon killer saying he bragged about his nincredible stalking of the former beatle. he scoped out the apartment building, the famous apartment on the upper west side here in new york. the building where lennon was living with yoko ono on new york's upper west side. he expressed remorse acting like
an idiot. chapman was denied patrol for the eighth time running. "usa today" bob dylan's six disk compilation basement tape is released. it will be released nearly half a century after it was recorded. the collection was restored from original tapes recorded in 1967 during dylan's sessions with musicians who later became "the band." during that time, they recorded over a hundred songs at a studio in sagertese, new york. the album hits the stands november 4th. >> cnbc.com. >> you ran six miles yesterday? >> i know. in that hot sun. >> insider trading suspect made a run for it yesterday while barefoot after noticing camera crews in front of his house. michael lukarelli ran for it
after spotting tv cameras. he has on a tank and khakis. he kept running as his flip-flops flipped off. he was indicted on 13 charges of securities fraud. >> he has pretty good form there. >> making nearly $545,000 in illegal profits. >> he has wheels. >> he does have wheels. >> six miles? >> i didn't know that is what you were asking me. i went running but not from the police. >> here is another story. diane sawyer signs off unexpectedly a little bit early. >> what? why? >> did you not know this? >> no, i didn't! >> it was in the daily news yesterday. >> i was watching the bbc with my dad. >> yesterday she decided. she has been doing this a long time. she's tired. she leaves and as it said, she exits on top and now david muehr will take over.
"the evening news" battle is going to get pretty fierce. >> we knew the announcement came that david muehr would be taking over and diane sent a tweet in the afternoon saying this is it. >> by the way, i'm out of here. >> that is really the way to do it. you don't need all of the confetti and everything else. >> i agree. that would make you tired. >> she's not going anywhere. she will be on abc for a long time to come. >> she is amazing. a new poll breaks down how women really feel about the republican party. >> hey, guys, it's not good. we have to do something about this. kind of ugly. >> it's just part of this world. first, the struggle against the forces of darkness. how the islamic state hijacked iraq's religion. we will be back with more "morning joe."
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>> they are trying to figure it out. >> trying to figure it all out. we would already have it figured out through body cams. i've been talking about this for several weeks. body cams only hurt bad cops. everybody else is protected by body cams. claire mccaskill, yesterday, she said if you wanted to get this military equipment from the united states government, you're going to have to have every cop wearing body cams. i think that's a good idea. >> on wednesday, denver announced some of its policemen wearing cameras for month and next year each officer will be equipped with one. the first major city to do so. small cities already in the technology as well. there is video from selena, texas, a officer taking down a suspect for no reason. >> this is a camera on the dashboard. you look at the camera on the dashboard looked like the cop is using excessive force but look at it from the body cam it shows something different. >> you can see the officer is
attacked. the chief says officers know they are being documented at all times but how important it is to get as many angles you can get. it can change the story. it can change -- >> from that angle, you see the cop is attacked and you hear the cop saying you don't want to do this. this doesn't end well. i don't know who the cop is. i don't know who the attacker is but this will also, even in a situation like this where a cop has to use force to get a suspect down, you're pretty sure when they have the cameras on, they are going to use the right amount of force. >> but this kind of juxtaposition of angles is what we will perhaps make it very difficult sometimes in some cases to find out what really happened. >> the one thing we have talked about police misconduct the past several weeks the one thing you don't realize is what is going through cops mind at all times. the danger they are in at all times. they want to get thome through their wife and children and husband or their children. they don't want to die.
they see so many bad things day in and day out that we don't see on cameras. this puts us actually and has us walking a mile in their shoes and puts it into the right perspective. here you see the cop is attacked. he doesn't know if that guy has a gun or if if that guy has a knife so he takes him to the ground. nick christoff. is everyone a little bit racist? help wanted ads between white and black sounding names. they found it took 50% more mailings to get a call back for a black name. a white name yield issed as much benefit as eight years of experience according to the study. that is pretty revealing. >> it is revealing and that is the country that we live in and we have got to face up to it. we have made great progress. at the same time, we have a long way to go.
>> we have julie pace with us from washington. welcome, julie. "the washington post" this is written the islamic state has hijacked a religion. the governor of anbar province provide this. we are fighting because we want to live free and rid the world of this cancer that hijacked our region. we are concerned that a generation will be brain washed. history will not forgive us if we allow this cancer to spread. it must be stopped. we cannot stop it alone. >> you know, mike, chairman -- said it was darkest before it completely went black. you are starting to see things as bobby ghosh said yesterday, a watershed moment. i don't know with exactly what happened if uae and libya did attack.
if they did, it's an arab state saying we are not going to let freaks and radicals height our religion and it's a damn good thing that the united states is not putting this all on our own. if so i couldn't be more grateful to egypt and the uae for doing it. >> given their apocalyptic vision of the world and kill anyone and anything in their path, it could well be you see an unusual coalition coming together, amman, jordan, tel aviv and cairo and egypt because they are all in the scope of this threat. >> and assad in syria and the ayatollah's in iran. >> and turkey. >> see if turkey decides to be a responsible player. seriously. >> this is by rand paul how u.s. interventionist embedded the
rise of is sisis. new regime might be isis. no to say the u.s. should ally with assad but we should recognize how regime change in syria could have helped and emboldened the islamic state and recognize that they are calling for war against isis and syrian civil war. we should realize that the interventionists are calling for islamic rebels to win in syria and for the same islamic rebels to lose in iraq. our middle eastern policy is unhinged flailing about to see who to act against next with little thought to the consequences. those not a foreign policy. >> it's very easy to say that after isis explodes. but, julie,, obviousl obviously the things that haunted the president and samantha powers
200 dead in syria because of a civil war. we find ourselves in a position that winston churchill said. if satan himself was fighting against hitler you may not ally with him, but at least he might say a good word or two for him on the floor of the parliament. >> rand paul is speaking to what is an incredibly complex situation in syria. and there are two pieces of this. one, there is this horrific humanitarian crisis as a result of this civil war but, second, all of these players involved in syria that are involved in this swrar. not all of them good. even the moderate opposition, the so-called moderate opposition is still loosely defined and the president has resistance of putting heavy arms in the hands of those moderate rebels. >> richard haass was on yesterday saying we are going to have a de facto alliance with
assad. i know nobody will come out and say that publicly. does he realize the white house is whispering they understand if isis is going to be defeated in syria, we can't just bomb, we need help from assad? >> yeah. even before james foley's death, there was some conversation about going after the islamic state in syria and the question, those was if you do that, do you also have to strike assad targets? because if you don't, are you essentially helping him. the president is resistant to do that because if you take that step, then the u.s. has some responsibility perhaps to solving syria's larger political problem so you're looking at a situation do we have sort of a wink and nod relationship with assad if we do go after the islamic state? >> julie, stay with us. still ahead, one of the tv's biggest unsolved mysteries. the fate of tony soprano. up next, barack obama may be
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you know, i think he feels he's done this for so many years. you have to remember the starting point for him. he doesn't like war and he said in that nobel prize acceptance speech that war is always an expression of human folly. indeed, thought and was one of the first to say that the iraq war was the dumb war, so he is resistant all of this. >> he said iraq war was a dumb war and right now he is having to go into that, quote, dumb war. i've been saying it and i saw in your notes you're saying basically the same thing. you got democrats that want to say the republicans were on from 2003 to 2008. saying obama was run from 2009 to know. he is a hard step for him to take, isn't it? >> the first step should be let's not relitigate the iraq war and you've got all these people are saying, we were right
to support it, so, you know, this is just a continuation. those who opposed is say, no, no, wachlit a minute, we need te careful. obviously, it's a challenge for obama. i think it would be useful to look at it through optimistic lens for a moment. it's an opportunity for him to do the sort of meetings and discussions and bringing people in, not just from the administration and the cabinet and the white house straff, but from dreaded congress and come up with some strategy here. you know, one of the great conclusions from the vietnam war was that politics is the enemy of strategy. let's play less politics here and come up with a plan. >> mika, it was very interesting. mitch mcconnell said yesterday on the campaign stump in kentucky and said i'll surprise
a lot of people. i think the president is doing the right thing now. you'll see when a lot of people come back to washington, d.c. a little more unity on foreign policy finally. maybe in this moment of crisis politics can end at the water's edge. >> that is hopeful. bob, i go back to joe's first question because i still can't get my sort of mind around who is putting their fingerprints at least on the president. i know he is against the war. i understand that. it starts and ends with him, but he has a group of advisers. what is the dynamic? what is the relationship with john kerry? is there one? and who are the others who have a consistent time with his ear in terms of helping him shape his decisions? >> as you said, one of the biggest problems managerially with this white house is barack obama and nobody can tell him no. >> i can't imagine. >> of course, know one can tell him no. mika, that is a really important question, but this gets to the
mysteries of the white house, any white house. >> right. >> and you need to go back after it happens and piece it together. it takes a great deal of time. you know, let's be honest. we don't know. but, joe, i think you're right, that the early waves of, wow, this is a real serious new set of problems, this islamic state. let's get together and come up with some plan, but that takes a lot of time and that means time off the golf course, time on the phone, going up to congress, having people from congress down to the white house, the normal process of negotiation. i think it's possible here. surely the stakes are so high, so it ought to be done in a more methodical way. >> bob woodward, thank you so much. >> bob, it's great having you here again. hope to see you soon. >> nice to see you. up next, a new poll shows
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our friends at poe little coat has seized a report from female voters and it shows that the republican party has a lot to do before we get the support of feeling. according to the poll they find the gop are stuck in the past and intolerant and lack compassion and more than 50% of women have unfavorable view of the republican party. this is important too. we always hear people in new york and washington going it's all about abortion, it's all about abortion. no. the top four issues for women
are the economy, health care, education, and jobs. guess what, republicans? they say we can't ever be the democrats because we will not compromise on abortion. it's not abortion. >> it is not. >> it's about moms being able to take care of their children or being able to take care of their aging parents. women also, though, if you keep going they believe that equal pay for equal work is a policy that would help women the most. something you talk about an awful lot. let's bring in mike and right now. mike, not really surprising reports but i think a message to my party you're seen as intolerant and it's not all about abortion. you got to get better on the bread and butter issues for all americans and that is getting them back to work and giving them fair wages. >> no that is a great point, joe. the surprise here is that republicans have made up no ground since mitt romney lost. the day after mitt romney lost you and i talked about the fact
they needed to do things to close the gap with women. that hasn't happened. joe, the four issues that you ticked through, education, health care, economy, jobs, that the campaign is going to be fought on, women go overwhelmingly on democrats. >> isn't that something? >> what do you do about this? the solution in this poll that was taken by crossroads gps and american action network is acknowledge those differences on abortion that you mentioned. quickly move on. talk about policies. connect with women on exactly those issues that you were mentioning. eric cantor was saying we can reconnect with women through charter schools. >> no. >> mika, the type of issues that will work are enforcing gender bias rules in the workplace, making it possible to for home health care through medicare.
>>i >>ism. >> i-working on a book and it is about money, julie pace. women are really having an -- they are in a really kind of a time of change in terms of how they handle money, how they control it and what they feel about it. and republicans are going to need to tap into exactly where we're at. this, julie pace, an opportunity for a female candidate? >> it's a huge opportunity for a female candidate. obviously, the only real female candidate out there for president is on the democratic side and a bigger issue for republicans as well. it's not just necessarily having policies that appeal to women, though a huge part to it but you have to promote women on the leadership ranks on the hill and gubernatorial races and eventually for president and right now that is another weakness for the republicans. >> i think the other thing you've got to understand the vast majority of businesses, entrepreneurial and small town businesses are started in the next five to ten years are
started by women who have read and know your value and women are the business leaders of the next ten years, and that is where the republican party has an opportunity. those rotary clubs, those women who are starting businesses and really going to create the backbone and that is where the opportunity is. >> i always say we have got to make sure -- i say this to republican groups, if you want to win again you've got to make your policies as relevant to a 17-year-old latino in south central l.a. starting first job as a 55-year-old hedge fund broker in connecticut. a 33-year-old woman who wants to start up her own business because she is quitting the first job she has that she doesn't like. >> she has been downsized and she wants to start again. >> create. why a texas father was acquitted gunning down a drunk
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hold on to that feeling ♪ street light people don't stop believing ♪ don't stop believing, everybody! it is one of the great unsolved mysteries in tv history. well, this morning, there is even more confusion if tony soprano survived the infamous "the sopranos." in an article, the writer asked the show's kraert if tony was dead. she writes he shook his head no and simply he said, no, he isn't. hours later, though, a publicist said whether tony is alive or dead is not important.
the final scene of the show raises the suspicion. >> blah, blah, blah! >> i'm bored. >> that was a sneaky tease. >> we got the answer. >> no, we didn't. >> the show's creator said he is still alive. >> do you think he is? >> i think it was a perfect ending. >> did you think at the end of show he was still alive? >> yes. >> did you really? i was sure he got what kind. >> no. >> that's crazy! it's kind of like all is lost. bob woodward. i'm sorry, robert redford may be coming on the show in a couple of weeks. i can't wait to talk to him again about all is lost because that movie is extraordinary because at the end, you have no idea whether he lived. i guess i should shut up. such a scam to the academy not giving him the nomination! >> you want to talk about a
scam? here is a panda who knows all about scams. this is a panda smarter than your average bear. experts believe a giant panda may have faked her pregnancy to get better care. workers at the research center where the 6-year-old is being kept after showing prenatal signs, the mothers-to-be on moved with air-conditioning and round-the-clock care and receiving more buns and fruits and bamboo. >> mike used to do that. >> no bamboo. >> they say it's common for a panda to fake a pregnancy to improve their quality of life. this was supposed to be the world's first live panda birth. nielson to say, it's called off. broadcast on tv. not the first panda birth but first on tv. >> maybe she thought she was
pregnant and now she is very sad. >> tony lives! i never saw that coming! you know what else i didn't see coming? >> what? >> it's not as exciting but this is the biggest story when it comes to the long-term debt of this economy you will never hear on most tv shows. >> i'm reading it right now. >> it is stunning. the cbo came out yesterday and they had, hey, by the way, we have revised our estimates and actually medicare is going to cost us $100 million less in 2019 than we thought. if you take the money that has been saved over the next decade just in that one year, 2019 is that more money that year than paid in unemployment. if it's bought of obamacare, i'm
saying, hell yeah. the debate begins but great news for the democrats on the campaign trail. >> the changes in medicare are big. the difference between the current estimate for 2019 budget and estimate for the 2019 four years is $95 billion. that sum is greater than than what the government is expected to spend that year in unemployment insurance and welfare and amtrak combined. >> oh, my lord. >> this is, as i've said a zillion times, it is medicare and medicaid that is driving us towards debt, that is driving us towards bankruptcy. this is just great news. let's keep our fingers crossed. a couple of caveat. the great recession was causing inflation to go down before obamacare passed and it hasn't really passed all ever this stuff because, blah, blah, blah. i will just tell you if i'm a democrat the most compelling
argument is when hillary clinton started talking about health care reform in 1993, suddenly, medical inflation went down. a chilling effect. people who were overcharging we are about to kill the golden goose. even the threat of major structural changes may have also caused health care providers to say, hold on a second, we better stop spending like there is no tomorrow because, obviously, we are about to kill the golden goose. i think this is great political news for democrats. don't know if -- what their argument is going to be but the republican argument that obamacare is going to bankrupt america doesn't look so good now. >> great for the president's legacy at what he accomplished. >> one final thing we know. republicans will no longer call it obamacare. >> obamacare worked. >> it will be the affordable care act. >> remember when president obama said -- >> a huge if. if, if, if it is, in fact, what
bent the curve. then yeah. it will not you the affordable care act. >> remember when the president said you can call it obamacare. i know in the long run this is going to pay off. >> we shall see. >> with e shall see. this is great news for younger americans. let's go et to other news stories of the morning. a law enforcement says it appears a second american has been killed while fighting for the militant group of isis in syria. his identity has not vet been revealed but reports say he died in the same firefight as american douglas mccain who joined the terror group after crossing the border in turkey. by some accounts u.s. citizens are fighting along the islamic extremists. the mother of another u.s. journalist held hostage by isis is speaking out. shirley sotloff made a plea to the leader of the islamic state the group that executed james foley.
>> since steven's capture i've learned a lot about islam. i've learned that they teach that no individual should be held responsible for the sins of others. steven has no control over the actions of the u.s. government. he's an innocent journalist. i've always learned that you, the caliph, can grant amnesty. i ask you to please release my child. >> a texas father has been acquitted of murder. david barajas was accused of shooting to death a drunk driver who killed both his children in a wreck. barajas family members were in tears in the courtroom moments after a jury found him not guilty. nearly two years ago, jose bandas car slammed into barajas truck. he and his young sons david and caleb were pushing it along the road to their nearby house. the prosecutor claimed barajas went home -- >> by the way, it was right by his home. they were so close to getting
home safely. >> it was right before christmas. got a gun, came back to the scene and shot bandas in head. business defense said investigators never looked for other possible suspects. in the end the jury acquitted barajas and he emerged to applause as he spoke to family and media. >> how does it feel, david? >> a lot of weight lifted off my back. i'll still destroyed. i'm missing my sons. always and forever. it's been a lot of weight lifted, but i'm still hurt. i'm still hurt. very hurt. >> what do you think, mika? >> i think that we probably will never know whether he did it, but -- >> i think it's pretty obvious. >> uh-huh. >> i think the fact is obvious he did it. i don't think somebody ran out of like the bushes and shot this guy and then ran away. i think it's pretty obvious he did it. i think the jury was looking for a reason to acquit a man, any reason whatsoever who lost his
two sons and they gave him that opportunity. >> i'm sure they couldn't even figure out how they would handle it. >> you go online. most people in the social media say if they were in his position, they would do the same thing. >> yeah. a brand-new poll shows mitt romney is still the clear favorite among republican voters in iowa. >> can you believe this? it's not even close! >> for 2016. the "usa today" poll shows the 2012 republican nominee with 35% support. >> let's just keep that number up there. >> 10% undecided and 9% backing mike huckabee. >> undecided is coming up fast. >> coming up fast. mike barnicle, let me tell you something. we have all said romney is not going to run, this can't happen. mitt romney, the longer this moves forward and you got chris christie and jeb bush who is playing hamlet and still doesn't know whether he is to be or not to be, the longer that goes on,
let's look at what is happening right now in new hampshire and in iowa. if you went iowa and new hampshire even now. >> he wins both. >> if you win both, you get the nomination. mitt romney is up right now by 26 percentage points in iowa. a state that he struggled in twice. and he's killing it in new hampshire. >> if you are romney, are you going to let him run against hillary and let him go through this again? >> yes. >> really? >> yes, you are. if you're this far ahead and the republican party is facing eight more years of a democrat in the white house making supreme court appointments, regulating businesses the way they are regulating business, et cetera, et cetera, this, that and the other. i'm saying if you put yourself -- he is this far ahead, just got to sit there and think i have to do this. >> he has a couple of big things going for him and it's really filled with irony. he has got dysfunctional field of candidates on the republican
side and he's got vladimir putin that he can continual saying, see, i was right. whether he was or not, he continues to say, i was right. >> what my dad was saying too. >> he was right about vladimir and he was right about iraq. he actually, in the debates, went after barack obama for talking about how proud obama was that he got everybody out of iraq and he mocked mitt romney for wanting to keep a force there. i'm telling you, the world stage right now, the only 30-second commercials he'd have to do is go back and show clips from his last debate with president obama and then have people ask, how would the world have been different over the last four years? i'm not saying it's a lock. he's got a lot of problems. he is awkward on the campaign trail. he is a wonderful man. but maybe the third time is a charm for him. i will tell you this, if he is this far ahead, at some point the republican establishment is going to look and say, please? >> please. >> please? please?
all right. while we are on the issue of russia, a new offensive by separatists is under way in southern kraen. official say russia is leading the charge. the government in kiev say russian armored vehicles are pouring across the board. they are engaged in fierce battles. russian troops were captured this week by ukraine. moscow says they accidentally wandered into the country. >> whatever. >> on tuesday. >> accidentally? hey, by the way, canada has put out a helpful map. did you guys see this? >> yeah. >> i tweeted it. guys, if you can get it up. i retweeted it. canada has put out a map and say we understand you guys keep wandering into russia accidentally so we are going to help you out. they have this huge map of the world and they have russia, and then ukraine not russia. and say, you just use the map any time you want. on tuesday, president
vladimir putin met with his ukraine counterpart but they are not -- no tangible signs that russia is pulling back. we will follow that. senator kirsten gillibrand is making media rounds for her must book and revealing offensive comments she said she endured in office like in this decade. this happened, the book "off the sidelines" is part biography and part call to action for the women's movement and "people" magazine are revealing the uncomfortable moments in the book. while in an congressional gym an older male colleague told her, quote, good things you're working out because you wouldn't want to get porky. >> that never happened to me once in the congressional gym. >> you know what? >> because you look so good. >> because i never once went to the congressional gym, except to smoke. a great place to smoke and hang out and talk to guys on the treadmill. >> a couple of rolling rocks. >> heart was beating like a
rattle. >> sturm thurmond pinched me, i can remember that. that was a million years ago! this is now. on a separate occasion after she had lost 50 pounds, a member of the senate squeezed her stomach and said, "don't lose too much weight now. i like my girls chubby." >> this is incredible. >> this is just unbelievable. >> yuck! >> how do you do that without it being awkward? you don't go there! you touch someone's shoulder but not their stomach. that doesn't happen. >> so many awkward things that happen down in the congressional gym. >> is that possible? really? what happens? >> what happens in the showers, joe? >> yeah. >> tell us about the showers. can we get a report on that? i'm always concerned about that. >> michael sam, i always waited until i went into the shower because -- >> treadmill time for you.
>> i was 40 years younger than everybody else. the most awkward moment for me, i decided -- anyone it was full. i decided i would go into the steam room, right? >> no! why would you decide that? >> i don't do steam rooms. because i was fresh off the farm. i had never been in a steam room before. for us the steam room was meeting in your double-wide trailer and closing all of the doors. >> now my mental image. >> i go in there and all of these members are like 87 years old. >> sitting around naked! >> i walk in, right? got my towel wrapped around me. they are all fat and old and naked and i just looked at them. i said, sweet jesus, deliver me! and i turned around and walked out. here we are 20 years later. the middle image still. >> some of them are still there! >> the last quote that you read from kirsten gillibrand's book or whatever it is, is the
strongest argument i've heard in a long time for term limit. get them out of there. >> can i just say we talk about cameras on cops. i think we need cameras on congressmen at all times except when in the steam shower. >> an accomplished elected woman senator, i like my girls chubby. >> come on. >> i think he was trying to be funny but not what you should do. on the steam room issue, i'm just going to say, those things should be banned. >> you had an issue like this, right? >> i don't understand. sitting around with a bunch of strangers naked! >> fat and all over the steam room. it's repulsive. >> what happened? >> it's just not right. i don't understand. i hope i don't sound like -- >> borne out of eastern european countries. >> are they? >> to wrap it up. if you're at home, wrap a towel
around it. still ahead on "morning joe," everything you never needed to know. we got a really fascinating story in the new issue of "time" magazine. then troubles in the skies. malaysia air is reeling and their planes disappear and blown out of the sky and the airline is now facing tough decisions on how to keep its business alive. josh shaw admits he lied to usc officials how he injured himself and now he has retained a criminal defense attorney. thomas told us about this yesterday. it ain't looking good today. up next several u.s. companies hacked including jpmorgan and some are saying the russians are behind. it's always the russians. you're watching "morning joe." we will be right back. ♪ lactaid® is 100% real milk? right. real milk. but it won't cause me discomfort. exactly, no discomfort, because it's milk without the lactose. and it tastes? it's real milk! come on, would i lie about this?
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globe." one of the sisters of the boston bombing suspects is now facing charges for making an alleged bomb threat. police say sarnev called a woman in new jersey and said, quote, i have people that can go over there and put a bomb on you. officials the say woman has a child one of the alina's children and she was arrested in new york city and charged with aggravated hamilton. usc cornerback josh saw is suspended indefinitely after admittedly saying he lied. >> he supposedly saved a nephew? >> right. he said he saw his nephew struggling in the pool and he was on the second story balcony when he witnessed it so he jumped off. >> broke his ankles and we shed a tear for him. >> so he suffered these high sprain ankle strains. a little bit more vetting from the school and it turns out it was not school. the school put out a statement. the head coach there saying we
are extremely disappointed in josh. he let us all down. i've said nothing in his background led us to doubt him when he told of his injuries and nothing after our vetting of the story. shaw rah retained a criminal defense attorney david etra and confirming shawl injured himself in a fall but did not specify further. >> who wants snoop dogg's attorney? >> they say nothing criminal about this whatsoever. the allegation was that she was spotted potentially involved in some type of burglary. >> something i'm looking at right here. we talked about it before. the media wars kick in in full force. david muir who i got to say this is the nicest guy. >> he is adorable. >> every time we see him, i don't know why mika feels compelled to be mean to him. >> i'll tell you why. >> david is so patient with you despite the fact you're very mean to him. >> no.
>> but he's -- he does very well. >> he knows i'm kidding. >> i don't know that he does. >> oh, well i'll apologize. >> the last time i had to whisper to him. the next time she does that, just go up and grab her stomach. has he done that yet? >> no, david has not done that. i remember we were in an elevator in new hampshire and you were like, mika! >> you were so rude to him. stop. >> it was a joke. >> i know you're joking with him. congratulations to david who is taking over abc. as we said before, quick and unexpected change. >> diane is going to travel the world and we will see her. >> hopefully, she will rest a bit. she hasn't slept in a decade. the "wall street journal." the fbi and secret service are looking into whether russian hackers are behind the recent attacks on jpmorgan chase and four other u.s. financial institutions. according to bloomberg news officials are investigating the
issue as possible retaliation for u.s. sanctions against russia over ukraine. officials say the cyberattack resulted in the loss of sensitive data. let's bring in nbc news justice correspondent pete williams. we have heard a lot of people and a lot of experts telling us the next war is going to be fought and it's going to be a cyberwar. here we have russia in the middle of it. what do you know? >> reporter: there are signs they say this came from russia. the series of attacks carried out earlier this month, but they say -- and that has led to speculation you noted that this could be in retaliation for u.s. economic sanctions after the moves into ukraine. but the officials say, normally speaking, when somebody wants to show they are retaliating they do it in a public way like denial of service attacks so you can't get into the website. this didn't get any attention at the time. they say the hackers scooped up a huge amount of data on customers and bank employees.
but they haven't said whether that included bank account or credit card numbers or account passwords. the banks say so far no sign this information has been used to take money from any customer account. so it's still unclear what exactly the hackers were after. were they after money or were they after intelligence about the banking industry? >> nbc's pete williams, thank you very much. coming up, how long will we have to tolerate miley cyrus? >> it's like a rash that never goes away. >> a bad rash. >> it's a horrible rash. >> why? i like her. >> you do not! >> i do! >> you're giving me a rash! >> it's all right. i'll give you an ointment. >> i probably would like her too. i feel bad for her. >> that is from the steam room. >> when you start talking about creams and ointments, i'm out of here. >> are you uncomfortable, joe? >> that's your days in the steam room up on the hill. >> yeah, baby. where should you sit to catch a foul ball?
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♪ so, mika, mike knows -- we talked for sometime about this grocery store chain that started as a neighborhood grocery store and got really big. great service. low prices. they had a family feud. >> yeah. >> we had a workers revolt. this is an extraordinary story out of new england. >> it became a chain. it is resolved, though, this morning. market basket, which saw an emotional fight erupt sending its employs to picket lines and leaving its shelves empty. look at the pictures. literally. this is a staple in the area. some shoppers had to turn to food pantries. the governors of new hampshire and massachusetts had to get involved over who should lead the company. jennifer egan of our boston affiliate whgh reports on the
fight. >> reporter: word of a deal quickly reached market basket workers at the chain's headquarters, hugs, handshakes and relief. >> the right thing came out. it was too good to be wrong. do you know what i mean? it's the right thing. >> it's definitely a roller coaster that i'm absolutely glad to get off of. the emotions, it's crazy. really excited now. >> we wouldn't have been doing it if it wasn't worth it. the man was worth it, absolutely. >> reporter: the man he is talking about artie t. the ousted market basket ceo who inspired nearly six weeks of protests and rallies to bring him back. >> we just want back the same as it always has been! we just want our job back! sno expectations. just what it was before. >> reporter: late wednesday, a spokesperson for market basket confirmed there is an agreement. artie t. who was fired by his cousin in june from the family owned chain will return to run the company's day-to-day operations. artie t. bought out his cousin's
majority share of market basket for reportedly $1.5 billion. the deal is expected to be completed in the next two or three months. a statement reads in part our shared goal is to return mathematic basket to the supermarket that its customers have come to rely on for service, quality, and best prices. no shelves across the chain's 71 stores are bare. workers say that will be straightened out soon. >> give us a little bit. it's going to take a little time to stock so don't go crazy on us but we will get it there for you. don't worry about it. >> wow! what a story! >> what an amazing story and how the workers just basically quit their jobs in support of -- we hear about all of these horrible ceos and get a hundred million dollars on their exit. these working class americans in boston went out because they so believed in one guy running their company. that's crazy. >> a larger lesson here for i
think anyone running sort of a company, large or small. the two cousins, arthur t. ran the stores until he was fired six or seven weeks ago. the majority of the work of market basket walked off the job in support of arthur t. why? because they knew him. more importantly, he knew the workers. he would go through the stores. he would know their names. he would know something about their families. hundreds of workers. and they stayed off the job in support of him. he is the victor. >> wow. >> i can't think of -- >> i can't either. >> i can't think of something else ever happening. >> it's great. fantastic. let's talk about the midterm elections and the big question for the mid terms, how will the president's approval rating impact voters? it turns out it may be as simple as throw the bums out. >> i think it is. >> here is derrick hits.
he has the numbers in the mojo polling place. >> reporter: the popular prediction heading into this fall's midterm election says with the president's approval ratings in the cellar the end results may sink the democrats in congress. in looking at the polling data over the past year, there may be a different theme emerging. the president's poll numbers are down. in fact, the latest nbc news/"wall street journal" poll has his job approval at all-time low. however when compared to the approval numbers of congress, the commander in chief doesn't look quite so bad. the public's discontent cuts both ways when it comes to the two parties on capitol hill. with the democrats faring only slightly better. it is the same discontent that fuels a 20-year high in -- a recent gallup pole showed most americans believe that most members in congress couldn't deserve re-election. this poll says 19% of the voters said they are dissatisfied satisfied with the way our political system functions. last october when votes asked if they would like to replace every single member of congress 60% said yes.
we have seen signs of antiincumbent wave and house majority leader eric cantor losing earlier this summer and in hawaii, governor neil abercrombie the first incumbent government in his state's history to lose in a primary election. both suffering tough losses so far on the republican side the power of incumbency is not the power it's been historically. >> a new app is looking to reshape the way americans get involved in the political process and have their voices heard. joining us now is duncan dash. the founder and chairman and ceo of i citizen. derek hits joins the table as well. >> what does the app do? >> we needed to create a platform to leverage the technology and create that so there would be real transparency and accountability in terms of the issues you personally care about on a day-to-day basis so you can hold your representatives accountable. >> not only issues i care about
but this is where you micro target as a consumer, as a constituent. i can pick out the issues that matter to me but also look at my representative. really almost sort of like a civic gps tracking device on the person that you elect. >> it's a very interesting analogy. you hit on a subtle point here which is important. >> first time it's ever happened that i hit on a subtle point. >> he's not so subtle. >> the subtle point you actually hit on is i-citizens is a nonpartisan platform. we focus on what we consider is the individual's dna. on you you may care about three or four issues at the federal, state, and local level and based on world events tomorrow that may change. those are really things that are important to you that will influence your voting behavior. there are things you want to monitor and you want to make sure your representatives are actively acting on. >> derrick, talk about the
elections coming up. we are looking at all of these polls. larry sabato had this great piece in politico saying the republicans are expecting at this point in the election cycle to be moving out ahead and it's not happening. it's not happening. larry says the presser from virginia says, it's starting to cause a little crisis. you talked about a throw the bums out election. what is going on? >> i think the numbers are the highest they have been in 30 years, where the anti-imcouple bent out there. the anti-incumbent senate is out there. eric cantor is thrown out and abercrombie loses for the first time in the state of hawaii. >> you always laugh about it. lawyers walk out of courtrooms and say everybody hates lawyers, except their own. you can't get people. they are like velcro.
what did they do? we always said the same thing about congressmen and congresswomen. everybody loves their own. >> that changed this time. >> the majority of americans want their own congressmen or congresswoman out. >> if given the opportunity to remove all of them and put in somebody new, they would take the opportunity. >> maybe i-citizen can bring the love back. thank you very much. >> you're very grateful. >> derrick, thank you as well. >> roll tide, how are we doing this year? >> we will see our second performs and what happens with our quarterback. >> there you go. >> he's edging it. >> i'm going for florida state. >> "morning joe" will be right back.
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♪ with us now the managing editor of "time" magazine. mika is furiously looking to see who scores and predict the future for you because if they do, we are screwed! this is the answers issue. everything you need to know. buckle up, my friends. here we go. nancy, i've got some questions. the first question, what is the safest place to live in america? >> sweet grass county, montana. >> really? >> sweet grass! >> because you're too far east for the wildfires but they don't get the tornadoes. >> what is the most dangerous place to live in america? >> ocean county, new jersey because of tidal surgeries and storms. >> what is the most dangerous intersection in missouri? >> flux county, pennsylvania. >> why is that? >> we are crunching -- this whole issue is a celebration of big data and amazing what we can now find out. i had a huge team of people crunching all of this data and that is from the national
transportation safety board. >> how many photos are we going to take? we are a people now with digital photos. everyone takes a million photos. how many photos will americans take in a year? >> 880 billion photos. >> are you kidding me? >> 880 billion. >> 880 billion photos! >> wow. >> when do men lose their virginity? >> 16 years, 9 months. >> are you kidding me? i was 43! are you kidding me? >> this is a whole opportunity for you to compare yourself to the whole world. >> you talk about a misspent decade! what about women? >> 17 years and 4 months. >> holy cow. lock them up, paints! >> stop that right now! >> just stop it! >> you want to know where you can sit and catch a foul ball? >> i -- i -- i -- i would say down past -- up from the third base dugout toward left field.
>> we charted in a bunch of stadiums, in citifield section 110 and at&t park in san francisco section 101. on time.com we have the interactives you can look how safe your county is where you live. >> when are we going to discover aliens? >> we have an answer for everything, joe. that's the beauty of the data. in 2040 at the rate we are exploring star system. >> how many guns are there in the united states? >> i have no idea. >> 310 million. >> unbelievable. >> really important question for men. i actually had andrew, my son, tell me this. he always like grows a beard and drives me crazy. >> not good, andrew, not good. >> not good. >> no, not good. >> if you're a man you can do three things. let me ask thomas this. you can be clean shaven like you. you're perfect. you can have a beard and be like grizzly adams and have a stubble. what do women find attractive.
>> how many days? >> two to three days. >> ten days of stubble. >> grow it out for ten days, guys, if you're trying to impress a woman. >> probably depends on the individual, doesn't it? i would think so. >> did you figure out, mika, do s.a.t. scores predict whether we are going to be success? let's hope not because mika and i just got triple digits. >> i am so bad at the s.a.t.s. either i'm broken out in hives but i don't understand this answer. >> what we looked at, because we talked a lot about income and inequality. we looked in the top 5% what are the typical s.a.t. scores of those families for people who are in the medium, 30%. you do find that as income levels go down that average s.a.t. scores go down. >> really? >> there is a connection. it is not a cosmic effect. >> that is because institutions put too much emphasis on them
and don't look at someone's creativity and moxie and talent. >> that's what i say! >> that's what i said to the president -- when he rejected me because of my s.a.t. scores. >> 31% of kids have tried drugs by age 16 and 32% of kids have had sex by the age of 16. pretty frightening for us old people. >> i don't want to hear stuff like that. who will choose the next president? >> unmarried people. >> right. >> we are looking at which demographic groups are growing fastest since the last election and which way they are leaning and a challenge for the republican party. >> republicans do very poorly with unmarried women. >> how long will we endure miley? i think she is good and i think around to stay. >> no. >> joe, it gives him a rash. >> we mapped people's couriers and comparing them to the history on the billboard top 100 and she most closely track's chef's career which suggests she is going to be with us for a long time. >> chef started her farewell
tour i think in '04. >> she went on for a long time. >> it has been said before of chef that along with cockroaches, only cher will survive in the holocaust. only two species that will survive a nuclear holocaust. i know you love cher. >> which one has the most cash? >> apple. >> look. we could go on forever! this is a good one! nancy gibbs, thank you. >> that was great. >> "the answers issue." everything you needed to know ask out now. >> when will i get a raise? airlines in huge trouble after two disasters this year in
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million. it's leading to the big questions about the future of the company. which will announce a major restructuring plan tomorrow. let's bring in nbc keir include? >> reporter: well, mika, reports say there will be layoffs, review of aircraft orders, even replacing the chief executive officer. they were already facing tougher competition before the two tragedies where hundreds died and which left many passengers frightened. no line for the check-in desk an hour and a half before a flight. seats at the gate empty. these are pictures tweeted by malaysian airlines passengers seemingly showing ghost flights. >> fliers are skittish people, so they tend to stay away. no airline has ever faced such two disasters in a row with such mystery attached to them. >> reporter: the images of flight malaysia 17 in pieces sent a chill through the frequent flying public. but first, there was flight
mh-370 which disappeared in march. there is still no sign of the wreck in the indian ocean. then last month, mh-17 crashed over ukraine, apparently shot down by accident. cabin crew is still waiting for the bodies of people to be returned. >> that really took a big toll on many of our people and now we are facing another big crisis. >> reporter: experts are predicting thousands of layoffs and route cancellations. there's talk that the chief executive officer may be replaced and orders for new aircraft could be cancelled, while the malaysian government plans to buy the airline back from sherareholders. >> it will give them a much freer hand to do things. they can terminate staff, unfortunately, start to retire uneconomic assets. >> reporter: but a freak series of accidents may be only partly to blame. there were more people on board
this flight. the family behind this tweet says, suggesting social media has increased the pressure on an already struggling airline. and the continued confusion over what happened to flight mh-370 isn't helping. australian authorities believe it turned south earlier than previously thought based on an attempted phone call to the plane after it vanished, but you know, mika, i covered, as you recall recall, both mh-370 and mh-17. even at the time you really thought, wow, this really does represent a stunning sequence of disasters unprecedented in aviation history. >> you know, keir, the u.s., with valujet going into the everglades destroyed the company. here you have two accidents that have caused a disappearance and a shootdown that have literally caused an international incident in both cases. you just wonder if they -- even if they survive, do they rebrand? do they rename? what do they do to make flyers a
little less skittish. i don't know that i'd be getting on a plane called malaysian air right now and i fly a lot. >> reporter: right. passenger numbers are down about 11% they say in a year. what they are doing, joe, is they are taking the company basically back into state ownership. they are buying shares from shareholders. frankly, the reason why they're doing that is because they want to keep malaysia airlines going even while making enormous losses in the hope that down the line they can get it back on track. >> keir simmons, thank you so much. we always love having you on. we kind of wish we were in london because if we were in london, we wouldn't have to wake up at 4:00 a.m. to do this show. so maybe we'll see you over there sometime. "morning joe" starting at 11:00 or 12:00. >> i love that. coming up at the top of the hour, the call to arm police with body cameras. we'll show you the one incident that shows exactly why they could be a game changer for violent police encounters.
plus is mitt romney the man america needs? >> this guy is blowing out republicans in iowa and new hampshire. >> well, who else is there? >> blowing them out. also, the closest thing you'll get to a "friends" reunion. we'll break down that in hollyweird and it was really weird. first, the west coast bracing for a big storm. bill karins will have that and more when "morning joe" returns.
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this morning both coasts of the united states are feeling the effects of a hurricane and a tropical storm causing high waves, rough surf and dangerous conditions. here's bill karins -- >> hey, bill. >> yeah. >> bill, we put up with all of your crap because, you know, quite frankly, phil wouldn't let us fire you. >> i slip phil half my salary is the reason for that. >> is that where he gets the extra $14? i love that, to get a burger. no, seriously, bill, you've got to give us good weather this weekend, because i'm hearing hurricanes on both coasts, not acceptable. we need a really nice labor day weekend. >> and i'd say for about 90% of the country, you're going to get just that. >> but, you know what though, bill, i'm not really interested in 90% of the country. i'm just interested in mika's top 1%. how is mika's top 1% going to do? >> it's going to be about
perfect. let's talk about those waves and show you those pictures. the largest waves in southern california from a hurricane in about the last 20 years. just look at that guy. there was even one or two piers that was tore apart because of these large waves. in one case a lifeguard had to be rescued that was in the water trying to rescue other people. the surfers love it. >> holy cow! look at these shots, bill! that's crazy! >> the new technology and the new gopro cams, we're just getting these amazing pictures from right in the water so it's pretty crazy stuff. this is all from what's tropical storm marie. now, on the east coast we've got big waves. nothing like the california stuff, but hurricane cristobal is still a hurricane out there, it's now off virginia beach by 700 miles. that's going to cause six to ten-foot waves the next two or three days. yesterday was warm and the next two or three days looks warm in the east, less humid and pretty
beautiful as we go throughout your friday for your travel day into what should be a great holiday weekend forecast for the east coast. came out to the range, had a nice lunch and shot the gun she wanted to shoot. it's something she wanted to do and her parents wanted her to do it. >> the chilling video shows a 9-year-old girl learning how to use an uzi submarine gun. >> moments before the accidental shooting of charles baka. >> i can't second-guess him, i wasn't there. but under normal circumstances he would not let a 9-year-old shoot an automatic weapon. >> have the gun ranges regulated so 9-year-old girls from jersey can't come in, get an uzi and fire an uzi. steven has no control over the actions of the u.s. government. he's an innocent journalist. >> 31-year-old steven sokloff
who disappeared a year ago, today his mother made a dramatic plea for his release. >> appealing directly to the isis leader. >> i ask you to please release my child. for another american mother today, anguish turned to joy. >> total strangers have been coming up to me and saying, hey, we're just glad you're home. welcome home. >> if you guys only knew how much fun we have over here. this is the real disneyland. >> as much as the american hostages have focused attention on the syrian terror groups, it is the american recruits that have joined them that most worry authorities. >> in addition to this man, douglas macarthur mccain, a second isis fighter was killed in the battle northeast of aleppo. >> u.s. officials estimate 70 to 100 americans have gone to syria to join isis or other militant groups. >> this idea that foreign fighters could go over there, get radicalized, get equipped, get trained and come back to their homeland. >> we've got so much to talk
about, i don't know where to start. i was going to actually talk to bill karins. for the first time i wanted to talk to bill and t.j. cut me off. but this hour we're going to talk to a gun range owner. i talked to a lot of gun range owners, a lot of gun experts and a lot of my friends who spent their life hunting in northwest florida and alabama and they all said the same thing. this is not about gun rights or anything, this is about a very bad decision by sadly you hate to say it by parents, very bad decision by the young man who tragically died and we feel so badly for him. and also for gun range owners, you just don't let -- we've got a gun range owner here and i'm going to ask whether she would allow a 9-year-old girl to fire an uzi. there is a time and place for everything. i did find talking to a lot of gun range owners and second amendment champions, they said this is the sort of stuff that hurts us. >> yes. >> they say, joe, we're on the same side on 90%, 95%.
that 5%, things like this, hurt the cause of fighting for the second amendment. >> but the question is, should there even be an opening for something like this to happen? it shouldn't be allowed. >> not for a 9-year-old girl. >> no. >> should a grown man or woman be able to do it under the right regulated circumstances? be my guest. a 9-year-old girl, no. let's go back to bill karins for a second. bill, some extraordinary pictures. the first shot of the surfer, i was asking t.j. to do something he's not going to do, we'll probably get pictures of the oakland a's baseball game but some of the surfer shots are extraordinary. but you've got hurricanes going up and down the coast. >> incredible surf. >> but i saw the hot across the middle of the country. the debate is always going on about global warming. we live in the northeast and it's been a really cold year and yet actually this has been a warmer year worldwide, hasn't it? look at that shot. >> that's the hardest part to
grasp of the whole climate change debate. everyone associates with what they experience, that's how we pretty much do life. but a lot of other areas -- like the coldest spot almost in the entire globe throughout this last year has been areas of central, eastern canada all the way down through the great lakes and the northeast. >> they never really have had summer in parts of minnesota, have they? >> there are people that will state that with the climate warming, some areas will be cooler and that may be some areas of north america, so we'll find out in the decades ahead, obviously, but, you know, joe, you have to remember, september 10th is the peak of hurricane season. that's when we get to the pinnacle. so the first two weeks of september is when we get these huge storms. there's nothing brewing over the next week or two. >> and we never know what's going to happen. everybody sees what's right in front of their nose. we will be able to tell a decade or two. i remember a decade ago, you and i were working together, 2004, 2005, and i remember in '04
there were three hurricanes in rapid succession. >> we went jean, frances, charley. it was like a blur. it was like six weeks, three hurricanes in florida. >> and we were escaping our house every couple of weeks. there were all of these articles that were written saying this is global warming and this is the new era of hurricanes, so what did i do? i went out and bought a generator. it was a big investment. that was the best insurance for northwest florida never having a hurricane again because we haven't had another one in a decade. >> the last major hurricane to hit this country, wilma. we have to go all the way back ten years. >> so we just don't know. we do know, though, these pictures absolutely extraordinary. and you're right, just because it's cold in your neck of the woods doesn't mean that the globe is still not warming. apparently this year, another year where it's getting warmer, mika. thanks, bill. have a great weekend, man. let's get to our top news
stories. >> he cut him off again. >> well, there is a delay. >> let's try this again. thank you. bill, i hope you, your wife and kids have a great weekend. thank you, t.j. mika, let's get to the news right now because we don't know what t.j. will do next. there's going to be streaming porn somewhere in one of these screens if we don't hurry up. >> i'm going to try. a law enforcement official tells nbc news it appears a second american has been killed while fighting for the militant group isis in syria. his identity has not yet been revealed, but reports suggest he died in the same firefight as american douglas macarthur mccain who joined ranks with the terror group after crossing the border with turkey. by some counts up to 100 u.s. citizens are now fighting long side the islamic extremists. meanwhile the mother of another u.s. journalist being held hostage by isis is speaking out, shirley sotloff made a plea
to the islamic state, the group that executed james foley. >> since steven's capture i've learned a lot about islam. i've learned that islam teaches that no individual should be held responsible for the sins of others. steven has no control over the actions of the u.s. government. he's an innocent journalist. i've always learned that you can grant amnesty. i ask you to please release my child. >> you know, mika, it's probably not going to work. like mike said, they are dealing with absolute animals over there, but that mother's plea i think was strategically was a pretty smart plea. it's also basically daring him. do you really have the power? are you big enough, all powerful mighty, are you powerful enough to let him go? if they're smart, and they don't seem to be smart, they will let him go because i tell you what, hell is going to rain down from
above for what they did to james foley. it just is. do that to another american and really your death warrant is signed. >> we can only pray they will make that equation. >> you know they're going too far. >> hopefully. we are following developments new from kiev where ukraine's president claims russian forces have entered a southeastern border town but stopped short of calling it an invasion. poroshenko is convening an emergency meeting of ukraine security and defense council to decide the government's next step. the russian defense ministry has yet to comment on these latest claims. a new poll shows mitt romney is still the clear favorite among republican voters in iowa for 2016. the "usa today"/suffolk university poll shows the 2012 republican nominee with 35% support from likely caucus voters. 10% undecided. 9% backing mike huckabee. without romney's name in the
poll, the top choice is undecided with 17%. >> so keep that up, mike. you also don't see a lot of names you would have seen a year ago, people like ted cruz and other conservative stal watwart. i think it shows that main street republicanism coming more in vogue because a lot of rock solid conservatives are saying we have to win in 2016. >> well, that's -- look, given the demographics of this country, they have a minimal chance of winning the white house, republicans. women, hispanics. mitt romney gives them their best chance one would think from looking at the rest of this field. >> i think rand paul will move up, we'll see. i'm watching him. there's a growing push to arm police officers with body cameras that give a more complete view of incidents like the one involving michael brown. senator claire mccaskill says if
departments want federal funding, the video recorder should be added to their everyday equipment. denver police announced they have been wearing cameras for months. small cities are already using the technology as well. look at this video from celina, texas, showing a police officer seemingly taking down a suspect for no reason. it's cut and dry, right? >> this is the dash cam and it looks like the cop is being aggressive and just tackled this guy for no reason. >> when you look at his body camera, you can see the officer is attacked. it tells a completely different side of the story. the chief there says his officers know they're being documented at all times. this is an incredible example of why you can't judge just one report from an event, just one side of the story or just one angle from a camera. >> you just can't. one angle from a camera so often doesn't tell the story. it also doesn't talk about the
stress cops are under all the time. as i said before, you put cameras on all cops, the only people it hurts are bad cops. >> it's a great benefit to the police because what happens -- and the public because what happens, you get those two camera angles, those two events occur, obviously the police officer didn't do anything wrong really. he was attacked. what you do is given the power of social media is you put both of those right up on social media to calm any potential public unrest. >> yes. it's transparency at its best. >> and we still don't know what happened with michael brown. if those cops had been wearing cameras, we would know by now. and you know what would have happened by now? the cop would have either been indicted and in jail or it would have been seen as justified. and a lot of this hell that we've gone through in august and the suffering that the people in ferguson have gone through in august would have been avoided. put cameras on cops. >> the one thing we do see out of this is whoevers alleged
suspect is, what the cop had in his hand, the flashlight. we don't see him ever draw his weapon. so we don't know what happened in the michael brown story. we don't know exactly when the cop drew his weapon. there is cell phone video that's been turned in, but that's what that video shows, that there was a different assumption made. but that suspect, he thought he was trying to take someone into custody that wasn't going to be violent. that person turned out to be violent. but the cop didn't draw a weapon initially. senator kirsten gillibrand is making the roubnds. her book is part biography and part call to action for the women's movement. "people" magazine details some of the most uncomfortable moments in the book. while in the congressional gym, the mother of two said an older male colleague told her, quote, good thing you're working out because you wouldn't want to get porky. >> i think, joe, you've come up
with the answer. cameras on congressmen. >> especially congressmen. congresswomen usually are okay. >> on another occasion after she lost 50 pounds, a member of the senate squeezed her stomach -- >> who seiqueezes stomachs? >> who does that? and saying this while squeezing her stomach. don't lose too much weight now. i like my girls chubby. >> what a line. >> what a guy. >> so in "usa today," your favorite republican candidate of the year, jodi ernst. >> oh, the castration candidate. >> she's in a deadlock in iowa. i've got to say these races this fall, it's going to be one of the most fascinating midterm elections in our life times, because, mike, you said before, first of all, who's going to vote. >> low turnout. >> really low turnout. but secondly, every one of these races in close. in states where republicans should be ahead by five, ten,
still close. it is deadlocked. these are going to go down to the wire and determine the last two years of barack obama's presidency and his legacy is pretty darn amazing how close all these races are. >> which of the senate races that are all contested senate races that we once thought would go gop big, which one surprises you the most? >> i'm shocked by arkansas. >> me too. >> we had tom cotton on here. we all said when tom left why don't you just go ahead and call him senator. that guy is like this. well, but tom was forced to take a lot of votes in the house of representatives that a lot of people in the house of representatives thought made him cool to their constituents, to their base. and now even in a conservative state like arkansas, tom is having to answer for some of those votes. and that one shocks me. i thought arkansas would be off the board by now. it's not even close. >> is it okay to say that i did my run yesterday in a joni ernst t-shirt with a castrated pig on
it? >> they're good, they're really soft. she is amazing. >> rick perry -- >> rick perry, we need -- we all wanting the "wanted" t-shirts. >> somebody won't be grabbing that. coming up, the national outrage over the shooting involving the 9-year-old girl with an uzi. still ahead, the founder of chic and shoot, tina wilson-cohen joins us next. she has a gun range. we'll ask her if she'd ever let this happen. plus a man suspected of insider trading makes a run for it. that's pretty darn good form. >> he lost his flip-flop. and things get weird when jimmy kimmel tries to get jennifer aniston to relive her days on the set of "friends." >> i know, jimmy, i know it's my line but this is a really stupid line. it's dumb. this is really dumb. >> is it dumber than living in a huge apartment in new york city for eight years even though you
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the accidental shooting death of a gun instructor by a young girl is stirring an important debate in arizona and across the country. let's bring in nbc news correspondent joe fryer live in white hills, arizona. joe, the shooting range is apparently a really popular tourist destination. >> reporter: yeah, that's right. this is a very remote part of northern arizona. it's an hour away from las vegas, but a lot of tourists from vegas do come here to take part in activities at the
shooting range. it is open once again, but after a 9-year-old girl accidentally shot and killed an instructor while operating an uzi here, there is a debate. should kids so young be allowed to shoot guns that are so powerful. >> can you see the target? >> reporter: to many it's a shocking sight. a child holding an automatic weapon. >> if anything happens, i'll be right there to grab the gun, okay? >> reporter: but to some it's responsible parenting. >> once you desensitize your kids and let them shoot enough, they're not going to be curious. >> reporter: jeremy is the ceo of tactical firearms in texas. >> keep going, keep going. >> reporter: he teaches his children how to shoot guns starting at age 5. >> people may criticize me but i guarantee if something happens, i feel comfortable that my son is going to be alive. >> reporter: his son, ian, just turned 10, and usually doesn't shoot fully automatic weapons. he did wednesday with his dad's close supervision. >> i think it's fun and it's
more of learning stuff. >> reporter: in most states, children with legally fire fully automatic guns at shooting ranges if they're supervised. but that practice is being questioned after a 9-year-old girl accidentally killed an instructor at an arizona gun range. she was firing an uzi at a place called bullets and burgers. >> these submarine guns are designed for military purpose. children 9 years old shouldn't shoot them, even with supervision. >> reporter: 39-year-old charles baka was killed. >> we loved charlie. >> reporter: the gun range allows supervised kids as young as 8 years old to fire guns but plans to review its policy after talking with authorities. >> it's not a terrible big loss if we don't let any children shoot, because they're on1% of r business. >> reporter: states are responsible for regulating gun access. after a connecticut boy died in
a similar incident, that state did limit access to machine guns for kids who are under 16 years old. mika. >> nbc's joe fryer. thank you very much. let's bring in former secret service agent and founder of chic and shoot, tina wilson-cohen. good to see you again. you actually have a business that encourages women to learn how to shoot guns but how to shoot guns responsibly we talked to a lot of gun owners yesterday and people that have grown up around firearms their entire life. they just look at this video and they can't believe it happened. talk about all the things that went wrong. >> exactly. good morning. >> good morning. >> first of all, yes, i was -- i was shocked when i read this. first of all, my condolences to the family of this tragic death that did not have to happen, but
also my apologies, you know, for every sensible, responsible gun owner out there to the family of this young girl. i'm just appalled that we have children that will actually be able to shoot these types of weapons. >> you just wonder not only -- i talked to a lot of grown men that use these weapons and they talk about how much of a kick there is and weapons for even grown men, i'm sitting there wondering, and you hate to talk about this young man that passed away, it's a terrible tragedy. but everybody said why wasn't his hands on the gun? why wasn't he behind her? it seems like pilots tell me airplanes don't crash for one reason, they crash when ten or 11 things went wrong. i think this is exactly what happened yesterday or the day before. >> you know, i agree with you on that.
i can go ahead and provide maybe a flight class or have my son or daughter take a flying lesson but that doesn't mean i would release an f-18 for them to go ahead and go out and fly. the same analogy can be used in firearms. i mean this was a powerful gun that of course is used out in the field with our military or law enforcement. why would i let a 9-year-old child shoot this type of gun. >> so then i think i'm going to try and ask this question because i think -- i don't want it to sound judgmental, i really don't, but even the name of this place and serving burgers and kids shooting uzis, tina, i think the question i have for you, especially since the business that you run, is it selling a good time to teach people how to use military weapons? shouldn't it be packaged differently? i mean this is a serious thing that people are learning to do. i'm not sure i'm against that.
i'm not sure i'm against women learning to shoot weapons and what you do. but i think i am against it being a fun, great time to videotape your kid shooting an uzi. is it funny? what is the attitude toward this? >> a better way to put it is, i'm just saying from somebody that has a lot of friends in the gun culture -- >> it's not funny. >> -- tina, i've heard one instructor after another instructor say the first thing we do is we try to teach younger americans to respect the power and the danger of the weapon, just like a lifeguard might say respect the power of the ocean. >> but it's not child's play. >> yeah, it's not a little tourist trap. >> i totally agree with you. we have lost, it seems like, in this country the sensibility and also the liability or the consequences, you know, that when we get into the firearms and dealing with guns. it seems like we are -- it's the
way it's packaged now to come out and have a good time. >> right. >> and shoot this type of weaponry, you know, burgers, fries and whatever else it may be. but we've kind of gotten away from the responsibility that we have as gun owners. you know, i have to make sure that not only am i being safe, but i'm also providing a safe environment for other people in that vicinity, in that area. >> tina, can you provide any common sense answer to the following question. why would anyone teach a 9, a 10, 11 or even a 12-year-old how to shoot a gun, any gun? >> for any gun, i am a firm believer that, yes, if you're going to have a firearm in the home, i have seen where if you take a mature child, and only you as a parent know the maturity level of your child. if you take a child and you feel that he or she is mature enough,
responsible enough and understands and grasps the responsibility, then i've seen it on many levels many times that this is prudent, it's wise to go ahead and introduce firearms training to a child. but to go ahead and take this type of gun, though, and place it in the hands of a child that even i myself when i was an agent out in the field, i would have a difficult time as a 105-pound woman shooting this type of gun. they do tend to ride up. we're talking about a fully automatic gun. there's no reason why you would want to introduce this type of skill to a child. >> as i said yesterday, thomas, you know, in certainly northwest florida and certainly when i was young in mississippi, a lot of dads would take their sons out hunting with them when they were 6, 7, 8, but it was all about gun safety. it was almost like yes, son, this is what i do every weekend
in the fall. come along with me and i'm going to show you the right way had to it. those kids grow up as responsible gun owners that respect the power of the weapon that they hold. >> most definitely. >> tina, real quickly, are you disappointed that the nra has not come out with any type of statement about what happened in arizona? >> frankly, and this is just my opinion, i'm very disappointed in the nra. not only not coming out and speaking against this but on many other levels. there are other organizations out there like the national shooting sports foundation that maybe let's hear what they have to say. but yeah, i am very disappointed. >> all right, tina, thank you so much. >> tina wilson-cohen. thank you. >> the nra may come out with a statement later on, we'll just wait and see. it is such a tragedy, and i tend to think the further i get away from this that this is not really as such of a gun rights
issue as it is decisions made by parents, decisions made by gun range owners. i don't know how a gun range owner allows an 8-year-old girl, a 9-year-old girl, because you may have parents, if it's like burgers and bullets, that come in that don't know the power of these weapons themselves. >> and it's selling a good time? i mean let's -- the video of susie shooting an uzi? >> it's in the interest of protecting everyone's right to the second amendment and protecting everyone's legal right to own guns would come out with a common sense approach that says we need better policies around the country to not put an uzi in the hands of a child. >> an overwhelming majority of nra members out there and i certainly know a hell of a lot of them, they don't think you should put an uzi of an 8 or 9-year-old girl. 50 years in the making, bob
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canada and they think that it's a tax dodge. they think if they move to canada and they bought up the doughnut place, tim horton's, now the government is not happy about it. president obama is not happy about it. take a look at what happened when he heard that burger king was moving to canada. watch this. >> financed by billionaire warren buffett, burger king will purchase canadian doughnut chain tim horton's in order to avoid paying american taxes. upon hearing about the deal, president obama immediately took back buffet's medal of freedom. more news after this. >> that's very cold. you know, bob dylan's six-disk compilation basement tapes complete. the bootleg series, volume 11, will be released more than half a century after it was recorded. this collection was restored from original tapes recorded in 1967 during dylan's legendary sessions with the band that
levon helm ran called the band of the during that time they recorded over 100 songs in a studio in new york. the album hits shelves november the 4th. mike, i was just telling the story about the band told the story how they would just be sitting in a room. dylan would come over, say i wrote another song. he'd teach them to them, record the song. dylan would come in and say i just wrote another song. they'd go in. it was an extraordinary time for bob dylan as an artist. what a band to have backing him up. >> levon helm was such an artist and such a good man. >> i heard he was such a great man. >> played up until a few weeks before he died up in saratoga -- not saratoga -- woodstock, new york. would perform concerts nearly every weekend up in his barn up there. >> they're still doing it up there, right? >> you know something, at 9:00
we're going to go to spotify. >> can you imagine being that talented. where you leave the room, write a song and then record a song. this next story from cnbc.com. an insider trader suspect making a run, doing it barefoot, after noticing camera crews in front of his place. he fled from his manhattan apartment after spotting cameras. he kept running even after his flip-flops flipped off. he was indicted on 13 charges of securities fraud and was accused of making nearly $540,000 in illegal profits. but yep, they got the close-up of the flip-flops. "the wall street journal," the fbi and secret service are looking into whether russian hackers are behind recent attacks on jpmorgan chase and four other u.s. financial institutions. according to bloomberg news, officials are investigating whether the incident is possible retaliation for u.s. sanctions against russia. officials say the cyber attack resulted in the loss of sensitive data. just moments ago a jpmorgan
spokesperson said the company is taking additional steps to safeguard sensitive information. and that brings us to cnbc's sara eisen. sara, take us behind the scenes of jpmorgan and this hacking scandal. >> there's a lot we still don't know about this hack attack. the biggest question that the authorities and fbi are going to figure out at this point, is it financially motivated? in other words, we are hearing from sources that some of the credit card and account information was stolen, but not clear whether they're doing anything about it or using it or any consumers are facing losses. was it that or simply to gather intelligence which would point more to the direction of the bloomberg report that it could be state controlled. no definite answers on this point so i don't want to overplay what the motivation or who the source was. >> hold on. sara, that's what we do here on "morning joe." we overplay things, we generalize. we try -- >> rumors, speculation. >> that's it. you have just described -- like that's our show.
that was a pitch for a show. we're just going to make a lot of stuff up. let me ask you something about this warren buffett, burger king/tim horton's deal. now it appears that it's going to go through but they're not going to escape to canada. what do we know about warren buffett's dealings in this and when did they make the decision that they weren't going to move to canada to evade taxes? >> here's the deal. they are moving corporate headquarters, the address domicile will move from miami to ontario. they say it's not tax driven, it's not motivated, it's because they are acquiring tim horton's which is the largest fast food chain and the bulk of their assets will be in canada. analysts will tell you no question about it down the road, even if not immediately, this will save burger king, tim horton's if the deal goes through on taxes. it is lower tax rates. >> so this is a classic inversion, right? >> it is a classic inversion. if they want to call it that or
not, that's become a very dirty word in washington right now and comes with all sorts of political ramifications. what they're saying also in terms of the head quarter mixup thing is burger king's operational headquarters will remain in miami so they're saying that in a nod to the criticism that they're getting about taking the whopper and moving it up north. >> so they will be doing a corporate inversion. it is wrong -- >> i'm trying to figure out am i going to boycott the whopper for the rest of my life or just east at crystal's or not? >> look, some members of congress will probably tell you to do that. the point is, though, they're saying they're going to pay all of their american taxes. warren buffett is going to pay his u.s. taxes as he helps finance this deal. and the fact is, this is legal. they're not doing anything wrong. sure, the president has called them corporate deserters and the treasury secretary has called it unpatriotic, but that is just what companies do. they have a responsibility to their shareholders and to their businesses and they're trying to run them smoothly, efficiently
and grow them. >> exactly, sara. thanks so much. greatly appreciate it. you know sara is right, if you're a ceo, your job is to maximize profit. but if you're a member of congress and you're the president of the united states, your job is to protect american workers and make sure that burger king doesn't have all of us pay their taxes. washington needs to do something. >> a corporate inversion is a corporate inversion. baseball's bad boy from the 1990s gets a makeover. we'll explain it in hollyweird.
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three sharks, two sharks. and everybody has connections. the more sharks you have, the more connections you get. it's that simple. >> and in reality the differentiation is they're not going to walk you into theater chains, they're not going to walk you into food service for arenas and for stadiums. >> yes, we are, because we're going to walk you into every chain that they can walk you into. >> it's so rare in the shark tank where you've got everybody involved. >> three is better than two. >> what are you going to do? >> all right. shows like "shark tank" have made household names out of some investors but what exactly are angel investors looking for? here with us now an angel investor who backed over 90 pioneering companies. david s. rose, the ceo of a company that connects startups with investors across the globe and the author of "angel
investing, having fun investing in startups." you describe angel investors as some of the most important and least understood players in business today. help us understand. >> well, if you think about starting a company, it often takes money. the question is where does that money come from? starting a company is a risky. the reality is most startups fail so, therefore, it's a very, very risky investment to make. therefore, traditional sources of capital, the stock market, banks, so on and so forth will not invest isn't startups. so who is going to take that risk and fund those startups? that's what angels do. >> how do you minimize the risk? what are you looking for? >> ultimately to be a serious professional angel investor who does this on more than one occasion, you have to effectively play the numbers because the majority of startups are going to fail. so you have to invest in a whole lot of startups ultimately if you're going to make money. >> i see. mike. >> david, i've got an idea for a
company, for a had pproduct. i go to a bank. the bank will do due diligence before they give me a loan to start up the company. >> no, no, no. stop right there. >> they won't? >> they won't. banks do not loan money to startups, period. end of discussion. the question is why. because banks are not in the investing business. banks are in the renting money business and so banks don't care if your startup -- >> goldman sachs. >> well, goldman sachs is a little big so -- >> what kind of due diligence do you do as an angel investor, that's my question. >> you do the most that you can, which is ultimately it comes down to we call it betting the jockey, not the horse. you look at the entrepreneur. this is the person that you're backing to do this new thing that hasn't been done before. you look at the market, is the market big enough. are people willing to pay for what this person is doing. do they have the experience, the background and team toitd? do you have any kind of traction? do you have people who signed up for your kickstarter campaign or
who like you. >> you add up all those factors. >> we came in with that clip about shark tank. you're presenting yourself as an angel. angels i think do good. sharks will eat you up and spit you out. but you're obviously in the business of making money. so are you always betting on the winner? because there has to be some failure in all of this. so how do you evaluate what's going to win and what's going to lose? >> there's an enormous failure rate. i love "shark tank." but the relationship between angel investing and shark tank is roughly the relationship between archaeology and indiana jones. i mean there is -- that is not angel investing, that is wondersful tv but it has nothing to do with angel investing. >> the book is "angel investing." david rose, thank you so much. look forward to reading that. learn much more behind day-to-day's sedavid's secrets at afternoonmojoe.com. up next, the story of a
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missed so much. >> yeah? >> from reading "time" magazine the answers issue, when do men lose their virginty. the average age was 16 years 2 months. i was 41. i have missed so much. >> what have you learned? >> you made up for a lot of lost time. you've got the kids to prove it. >> stop! thomas. >> i learned brad and angelina getting married over the weekend after being together for ten years, so congratulations to them. >> so i learned a couple things. the first thing i learned, mika, is you can spin around on high heels. >> i don't want to try this on the air. >> you've been doing it nonstop. also i learned the cameras on cops actually can protect cops too. there's some pretty crazy video here. this guy from another angle it looks like the cop is being abusive. but here the guy stops to fight with the guy. claire mccaskill has it right, you want weapons from d.c., you
put cameras on your cops. >> i learned if it's way too early, what time is it, joe? >> "morning joe." but stick around for "the daily rundown" with the great chuck todd. fear and loathing in the voting booth. 68 days until the midterms and we still don't see one thing that will make or break it for both sides. right now democrats want to make it about shouts of a gop shutdown and republicans want to make it about outrage over executive actions on immigration. it's all about fear, folks. this morning we'll hear from white house communications director jennifer palmeri. plus mitch mcconnell needs to flip six seats to change two letters in his title. we'll have the latest on which states harry reid hopes stand in his way. good morning from washington. it's thursday, august 28th, 2014. this is "the daily rundown." it's my next to last day hosting