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in 2010, and i think women are paying attention. as you said, a lot of this election is going to be about women. >> sara slayman, terry o'neil, good to have you with us on the "the ed show." thanks so much. good evening, rev. >> good evening, and thanks to you for tuning in. tonight's lead, a disturbing and violent video emerges of an nfl player punching his then fiance. and is racing new questions on domestic violence and what the nfl knew. tmz sports released the video this morning. you can see baltimore ravens running back ray rice and his then fiance janay palmer, go into an elevator in an atlantic city casino. you can clearly see they have an altercation and he then punches her in the face. he knocks her out. she is down on the ground and
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appears to be unconscious, and moments later, rice drags her body out of the elevator. this afternoon, the ravens tweeted they terminated ray rice's contract. moments later, a spokesman for the nfl tweeted, roger goodell has announced that based on new video evidence that became available today, he has indefinitely suspended ray rice. back in july, this video was released from a camera outside of the elevator. janay palmer did not press charges. and rice was given just a two-day -- or two-game suspension from the nfl. but today, the emergence of this new video is setting off a fire storm of controversy and questions. what should the policy be? and what did the nfl know about this video?
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today, before suspending rice indefinitely, the nfl released a statement saying, quote, that video was not made available to us, and no one in our office has seen it until today. but that statement directly contradicts what some sports reporters wrote this summer. so all kinds of questions tonight. and this nfl story highlights a bigger issue that we have all over the country. joining me now, our msnbc goady taylor and former head coach of the new york giants, jim fossil. thanks to all of you for being here. >> thanks. >> thank you. >> coach, let me go to you first. what's your reaction to the suspension? and should the nfl, what should they have done months ago? should they have done this months ago? >> reverend, this is all coming
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out. i don't know anything about who saw it, when they saw it. it's a sad day. here's a young man that had a clean record, hadn't been arrested, as far as i know. hadn't been arrested. had no drug problems, had nothing. but it is sad to see what went on in that elevator. i'm sure alcohol was part of it. but it is sickening to see that, and i think there has to be things done. now, the only good news coming out of this whole thing, reverend, is that any athlete or actor or anybody else that's under the spotlight, if they're stupid enough to do this again, i think it will have an impact on males thinking they can attack the female and not suffer serious consequences. >> but what's disturbing to me is the nfl said they didn't see the video before today, but people who covered sports reported a much different story back in july.
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veteran sports illustrated reporter wrote, there is one other thing i did not write or refer to, and that is the other videotape the nfl and some ravens officials have seen from the security camera inside the elevator at the time of the physical altercation between rice and his fiance. and listen to what espn's chris martinson said on july 25th. listen to this. >> we saw the tmz video of what happened outside, when he was dragging her out unconscious, and inside the elevator, i'm told for those who have seen the video, it wasn't pretty. in fact, she attacks him, we don't know the reason why, and she strikes her, strikes her hard, and her head, according to the sources i've spoken with, struck the rail inside the voord and she was unconscious. >> now, that is quite detailed
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and exactly what we see on this new tape. so the question is, is the nfl lying now? >> it is really hard to imagine that when this happened, and they were doing a thorough investigation, that they wouldn't have seen this video, that is the elevator video, by the way, and that months later, tmz of all places, releases this video. i don't know whether or not they have seen the video. what i will say it and i saw it this morning, it's sickening to watch what happened inside the elevator. but whether or not they saw that part of the video, what they did see was her being dragged out and being completely knocked out. >> but they described what happened in the elevator. somebody had to see it. how did these reporters describe exactly what was on the tape if someone hadn't seen it and told them? >> i think what you're seeing is probably a cover-up here. right? because if they had seen it, obviously they made the decision not to suspend him, or only for two weeks at that period of
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time. my point is, it doesn't matter whether they saw the full video or not. the video is horrible. >> no doubt about it. >> they should have made the decision months ago. no one should be praising the nfl or the team, by the way, who also have the ability to cut him off the team months ago, for the decision made today. that should have been done far longer than right now. >> but, coach, we don't know if the nfl hierarchy saw it or not. it could have been sources. but the sources had to see the video. they described what was on the video. and the real overriding question is that if the nfl, for whatever reasons, didn't see this video, then how did they make a ruling, if they didn't see everything? >> i think the nfl, a lot of the punishment that i think people don't understand, they take the history of the player. players don't get suspended for the year on a first offense of hgh. they don't do that. they suspend them for a while.
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and on a second offense and a third offense, it gets worse. now, i know roger goodell personally. i don't know ray rice. the only thing in my heart of hearts i can say is roger goodell is a stand-up guy. he came out and said he made a mistake. lot of people won't do that. he said that. now, i got to believe and i could be wrong, but i got to believe that they hadn't seen it when he suspended him for two games. >> but should they have seen it? >> i just know roger is a stand-up guy, and he's a discipline airian. but whether they saw it or not, we don't know. but should they have insisted on seeing it? obviously they had to know there wasn't was inside the elevator video. should they have seen it before they made a ruling? when you look at the fact -- look at some of the other players who have been suspended from the nfl this year. just this year now. why they were suspended and how long they were told to sit out.
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brandon meriweather of the washington redskins, he was charged with a helmet to helmet hit in a game against ironically, the ravens. he was suspended two games, the same as we saw the suspension here on rice. matt prater, of the denver broncos, charged with violating the league's substance abuse policy with alcohol. he was suspended four games, twice as much as rice. josh gordon, of the cleveland browns, he failed a marijuana test. he was suspended for a whole year. [ all speak at once ] >> let me go to goldie, coach. i'll come back to you. >> i'm sorry, i'm sorry. >> i've always said that if her name was marijuana, he would have gotten a much harsher sentence the first time around. but let me clear up a few things. there are several infractions that a player can make that are
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covered under the rules of the players association that they bargained with the nfl. there are some of these things, like domestic violence that fall into the discretion of roger goodell, of the commissioner. so he decides how long that sentence is going to be. he laid out some brand new criteria for us where none seem to have existed before. i would assert that some criteria should have always existed, given the number of reports and under reports of domestic violence that happen across the nfl and all professional sports. so i'll lay that to the side. the other part of this is, they did not, at the time of the release of this, give a accurate account of what happened in that elevator. the young woman didn't attack him, she deflected his first punch and then he punched her again until she was knocked out. that's what we're seeing on this tape. that amounts to aggravated assault. so you got to ask yourself, why didn't a d.a. prosecute him for that? why is he eligible for a
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diversionary program? and at the same time, if the nfl seemed to have known enough about this tape, they had to have seen it. if they saw it, why was he only given a two-day suspension? i personally don't believe that no one from the nfl saw it. too many characterizations were coming out contemporaneously when all of this went down. we heard it from top-tier reporters, straight from their mouths, how it was being characterized by nfl spokesman and people from the ravens. >> coach, let me go back to you. goodell did say a week ago he got it wrong. but look at this. ray mcdonald of the san francisco 49ers was arrested on domestic violence charges on august 31st of this year. the nfl hasn't taken any action against him, waiting to let it play out. he even played yesterday. how do we feel about that, coach? >> well, as a coach, long-time coach, and you're dealing with
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young men, okay, they're not all going to be correct. i go back to the duke la crosse situation where a girl accused players on a la crosse team of rape. he kicked them all out of school. he fired the coach. he got rid of everybody. then the girl came back and said, no, i didn't get raped. i made the story up. so as a coach, i always believe in letting the authorities, the authorities that are investigating it and they can get to the truth, let them do their job, and then i'll react to it. unless it's something very, very, just -- a murder or something. >> the authorities didn't do their job. [ all speak at once ] >> let the authorities do their job and then i'll take action. >> duke la crosse, the authorities did take action. there was action. but here you have a guy that was arrested. you have now a whole list of what you do now on domestic violence.
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nothing's happening to this guy. >> no, and the crazy thing here, when you look at the nfl, up until right now, there's no real clear policy for dealing with domestic abuse. up until now. now they say, we should look at doing something about that, which i find a little bit crazy. this is not the first time this has happened. it's not the last time it's going to happen. so to your point, how can you look at all the situations that have happened and not treat them fairly? it's really hard to look at this video and look at how the nfl has handled this, and how the team has handled this. it looks really bad on all of them. >> the nfl does have a new policy. roger goodell wrote team owners a little over a week ago, saying that he got the suspension wrong. now for the first offense, six games suspension. second offense, banishment from the nfl for at least a year. and this policy applies to all personnel, not just the players. but i think my real concern is the gravity of domestic violence
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should not be cheapened, goldie. this is very serious and i think they should have seriously looked at everything before they made a ruling here, goldie. >> we are talking about people's lives. to delay can cost a life. jof an belcher killed cassie perkins last year, shot her seven times. so we've got to be very careful when we say we need to wait until the authorities do their jobs when we ourselves have a job to do. they had access to the tape. if they didn't take advantage of that, i think that's malfeasance. >> and i think you've got to remember, aside from all of that, it is a place of business. kids are watching and look at these as role models. domestic violence is a seriously issue. goldie taylor, abbey huntsman, and coach jim fossil, thank you for your time tonight. >> thank you. >> and be sure to watch abbey on the cycle weekdays at 3:00 a.m. eastern right here on msnbc. still ahead, much more on the tmz sports video. we'll talk to steven a. smith
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about the league's response and what pro football needs to be doing going forward. also, new witnesses come forth in the michael brown shooting. we'll tell you what they're saying and why it could have a huge impact on the grand jury. and new u.s. air strikes pounding isis terrorists in iraq. president obama will soon address the nation about the isis threat. but you won't believe who republicans are turning to for advice. we'll review this blast from the past next.
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>> as america debates how to handle the terrorist group isis, a new poll today shows growing support for the president's plan of action. 76% favor additional air strikes. 62% support military aid to forces fighting isis. but at the same time, 61% oppose putting u.s. boots on the ground. that's exactly what the president outlined in his interview with chuck todd on "meet the press" on nbc. >> this is not going to be an announcement about u.s. ground troops. we are going to be, as part of an international coalition, carrying out air strikes in support of work on the ground by iraqi troops, kurdish troops. what i want people to understand, though, over the course of months, we are going to be able to not just blunt the momentum of isil, we are going to systematically degrade their capabilities. we're going to shrink the
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territory that they control, and ultimately, we're going to defeat them. >> already the plan to defeat isis is in motion. on sunday the u.s. broadens military campaign, conducting air strikes to protect the haditha dam. in western iraq, isis has been trying to seize the dam, which supplies power to baghdad. 148 air strikes have been launched against isis over the last month. tomorrow, the president will meet with key congressional leaders and on wednesday he'll lay out his plans for isis in a speech to the nation. joining me now, msnbc's military analyst colonel jacobs and salon.com joann walsh. thank you for being here. we're hearing reports that this air campaign against isis could
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last years. is that kind of sustained action needed to defeat them? >> well, the number i heard was three years, but that grossly underestimates how long it's probably going to take. >> really? >> i'm reminded of general mccrystal's observation some time ago when he said, it's going to take a decade in iraq. and i think that's probably a pretty good estimate -- >> so you think it could take a decade? >> sure. don't forget. it's not just our dumping precision guided munitions all over the bad guys. what's really important is the seizure and holding of terrain on the ground. and that's going to take a coalition of all of the forces inside iraq, including a lot of people who don't like each other very much and have not worked together, which is why we're going to have to work very hard to make sure they all work in concert. but air strikes is just for support. the real work, the heavy lifting must be done by the iraqis on the ground and that's going to
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take ten years. >> you know, joan, there seems to be a lot of support for air strikes, and yet there's a lot of support saying no boots on the ground. here's what the president said about the idea of putting boots on the ground in iraq and syria. >> you also cannot over the long-term or even the medium term, deal with this problem by having the united states serially occupy various countries all around the middle east. we don't have the resources. it puts enormous strains on our military, and at some point, we leave and then things blow up again. >> is this a hard lesson that we learn -- a hard-earned lesson, i should say, after a decade in iraq? >> yeah, i think it is. colonel jacobs is right. the problem in iraq is that there aren't groups cooperating, not civil institutions, there
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isn't that history and it's hard from the outside to create it. we can't occupy a country semi- permane permanently. when you look at syria, one thing the president said that i don't know there's evidence for, he said we are currently working to shore up moderate rebels inside syria and i don't know how you identify them. and i don't know how you support them. that's one of the things they think people worry about. >> it's kind of an oxymoron. rebels are not moderate. we said the same thing about iran. what we really need to do is encourage the moderate revolutionaries. well, moderates are not revolutionary. the same thing is true inside iraq. there's got to be some leadership inside the country that can galvanize the disparate forces -- >> otherwise, it doesn't work is your point. >> i don't think it's going to work. >> joan, today we're hearing calls from centers for boots on the ground. senator john isaacson said we
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need to put together a wide-ranging coalition and have our special forces support it. and senator lindsay graham said, what you'd want to do is to interject special forces into the kill-the-leader-type operations. are we about to see a big push from the right for troops on the ground in iraq and syria? >> i think they'd like to see that. i think this idea of special forces, i don't want to be naive. special forces may be operating there. they often don't telegraph what they're doing. so for the president to say, we have special forces in there and they're going to take out the leaders, i don't see the utility in that. and special forces can lead on a slippery slope to more forces and conventional forces. so it seems very irresponsible. they're always asking him to do more. he's never doing enough. >> the "new york times" described the three-phase plan from the president. first air campaign to roll back isis gains in iraq.
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then training and equipping the iraqi military, the kurdish fighters and sunni tribes. and the final phase is destroying isis inside of syria. what are the biggest challenges ahead, colonel? >> the last one. i mean, that really is a big challenge, because it's a very tough political decision for the president to make. don't forget, this country talked for a long time about how asad must go. very bad guy. need to get rid of him. and all of a sudden the only way you're going to be able to get rid of isis inside syria is to wind up being an ally of assad or whoever replaces him. by the way, not only that, allies of iran as well. i mean, can you do thyou can do ground and in the air, but doing it politically in the united states, that's a tough road to hoe. >> don't look now, but the house members are meeting tomorrow with dick cheney. i mean, we're already hearing
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rhetoric from some of the right that sounds like an echo of the bush-cheney era on foreign policy. what are we going to hear now? listen to this. >> isis says they want to go back and reject modernity, well, i think we should help them. we ought to bomb them back to the stone age. >> after being counselled by dick cheney tomorrow, what are we going to hear? >> you can make sound bites of neanderthal right wingers saying we should bomb every imaginable government back to the stone age. colonel jacobs, it's incredibly irresponsible and dick cheney is the last person anybody should be listening to on iraq or syria. >> i'm going to have to leave it there. thank you for your time tonight. >> welcome. coming up, key developments in the michael brown investigation. two new witnesses come forward. what did they see?
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are providing a new perspective on the michael brown shooting. both men were working construction on the apartment complex when they heard a shot. they gave statements to st. louis county police and the fbi. but refused to be identified in the post report. the worker says he did not see what happened at the officer's car initially, but that officer darren wilson chased brown on foot away from the car after the initial gunshot and fired at least one more shot in the direction of brown as he was fleeing. then brown stopped, turned around, put his hands up, and that the officer killed brown in a barrage of gunfire. one of them talked to a local tv station last month. >> i started hearing pop and when i looked over, i see somebody staggering and running. when he finally caught himself,
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he threw his hands up and started screaming, okay okay okay okay okay. the one just started shooting. he didn't say get on the ground. he didn't say anything. the first his gun was down, and then walked until he got eight to ten feet away from him and then shot at him six, seven shots. i heard -- it seemed like seven. then he put his gun down. that's when michael stumbled forward i'd say about 25 fight or so and then fell right on his face. >> this matches up from other accounts we've heard from other witnesses. but unlike them, these two workers are outsiders. they did not know either brown or wilson. and have no ties to ferguson. tonight, many questions remain as we wait for the grand jury. the investigation continues. joining me now, liz brown attorney and columnist for the
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st. louis american. and former u.s. attorney kendall coffee. thank you for being here, first of all. >> thanks, reverend. >> liz, how important are these witness accounts to this case? >> i think these accounts are very important, but it is important to underscore, reverend, the fact that these witnesses have been interviewed by the police department, the county police department, and the fbi. they have not been interviewed by the grand jury. and there is no guarantee that they ever will be heard by the grand jury -- >> do you think they will be? >> i doubt it. because these are narratives that move in the direction of indictment. and everything that is being done so far by this prosecutor has been deferential to the potential defendant, and signaling to this grand jury, with whom he has a long relationship with, over a matter of weeks, that we want you not to indict. one of the things that also came out today was the fact that this
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grand jury will be deciding what charges are going to be brought. that's extraordinary to just hand over to the grand jury. you decide whether it's first-degree, you decide whether it's second-degree, you decide whether it's manslaughter. the prosecutor and his office are agreeing, this is what we want, we want an indictment, and we want these charges brought. that's deferential and other dfrts don't get that deference in a grand jury hearing. >> you've been a u.s. attorney, you've prosecuted cases. should the grand jury hear this? should they hear from these two witnesses and is it troubling that it's open ended that he's not arguing for specific charges? >> well, of course he should. i agree with almost every lizz has said. i think he will put one or both of them forward because a lot of this grand jury process is about
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cover. but when you're a prosecutor, you carefully manage the grand jury process. you make the decisions ultimately. you don't throw open any kind of evidence that comes through the door to the grand jury. and you certainly don't throw it open in terms of the ultimate charging decision. so while this might be a process that seemed like it's going to get more cover for a prosecutor, it clearly creates less chance of a prosecution. >> now, lizz, we've heard similar accounts to what these two witnesses that have just surfaced, from other witnesses. listen to this. >> i witnessed the police chase after the guy. he was unarmed. he ran for his life. they shot him, and he fell. >> the kid body jerked as if he was hit. and after his body jerked, he turned around, puts his hands up and the cop just continues to walk up on him and shoot him until he goes all the way down.
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>> how valuable are these witnesses to this case? >> they're extraordinarily valuable. this grand jury does not need to see all of the evidence that is being brought before them in order to make a probable cause determination about whether or not a trial should be had on this issue. every witness seems to say the same thing, that michael brown was shot running away. that's where it ends. that's where it ends. >> kendall, the common denominator seems to be every witness was saying, his hands were up. after michael brown stopped and turned around, quote, that officer wilson began backing up as he fired at michael brown. and that after the third shot brown's hands started going down and he moved about 25 feet toward wilson, who kept backing away and firing. the workers also said he could not tell if brown's motion toward wilson was a stumble to the ground or, okay, i'm going
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to get you, you're already shooting. what does this mean for officer wilson's claim that he shot in self-defense, kendall? >> well, i think these witnesses are incredibly important, because they are neutral. they are objective. they're just guys who happened to be there at this tragic moment. and they'll be very, very believable. one of the things i'd be fascinated to see is what is the officer wilson saying about whether the hands were up? because if he denied that in the statements he's given, and i'm not saying he'll go in front of the grand jury, but he's given some statements to the police authorities, and if he's insisting there was a bull rush, or a bull charge, when witnesses like the ones we're hearing about today said absolutely not, and there seems to be little support of that, all of a sudden you have a self-defense account that may have some demonstrable faulties and that becomes some of the most important evidence of guilt if you are falsely
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claiming certain facts happened to try to prove your innocence. >> but the witnesses, these two are saying that the movement toward wilson was after he was already shot. one says he was shot, that shots rung out three or four times before he started moving forward. >> absolutely. and that makes it stronger. but there's some inconsistency among all the different eyewitnesses as to the movement. all of them seem to be saying that he was not charging the officer. and if that's how the evidence lines up, i think there's going to be a very critical contradiction with what the officer is saying. and again, i'm confident. we don't know for a fact what the officer was saying when he gave his account, but i serial doubt he said he was putting all these bullets into a man who had his hands raised and surrendered. >> that's assuming these witnesses ever make it to the grand jury. we don't -- we don't know that they will. >> what's the reaction in the
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community right now? >> the action in the community is the same as it's always been. there has not been an indictment, there's deferential treatment given to this defendant darren wilson, and that there's an effort to make certain that an indictment will not ensue. so the community is very much watching this because they are concerned and they also believe that there's not going to be an indictment issued in this case. >> there hasn't even been an arrest. you don't need an indictment for an arrest. >> there you go. >> there's supposed to be a meeting tomorrow night of the city council. lizz brown, kendall coffee, thank you for your time tonight. >> thank you. still ahead, new questions about the tmz sports video and the nfl's handling of the ray rice scandal. should they have acted sooner, and what's the next step? we'll talk to steven a. smith. also, just delayed, but not denied for the central park five. a big ruling today in their quest for justice. stay with us.
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shockingly graphic tape that got nfl player ray rice fired today. tmz sports released the video this morning. you can see baltimore ravens running back ray rice and is then fiance janay palmer, go into an elevator in an atlantic city casino. you can see they have an
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altercation and he then punches her in the face. he knocks her out. she's down on the ground, and appears to be unconscious. moments later, rice drags her body out of the elevator. joining me now, sports journalist and espn first take host stephen a. smith. thank you for being here tonight. >> good to be here, reverend. how you doing? >> i'm good. you made some controversial comments when the story first broke that got you suspended. but today you came out strong and said that ray rice should leave the nfl voluntarily. what's your reaction to the ravens and nfl suspend saing hi now? >> first of all, it's entirely appropriate. even back then, i've always said a man has no business putting his hands on a woman. i've never deviated from that. let me say this. when you consider the video, if a picture is worth a thousand words, then a video is worth about a hundred million.
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because to see that video, to see this individual strike his then fiance in that fashion, it doesn't surprise me at all that they didn't even get halfway through before the ravens waived him, cut him, and the nfl suspended him. it was definitely an appropriate decision, it was something that was long overdue, because a lot of people find it difficult to believe that the nba -- i'm sorry. the nfl and the baltimore ravens did not have access to this video beforehand. they say they did not see that until this morning. >> do you think they didn't see it? and if they didn't see it, should they have waited? >> i think they should have waited. it's appropriate for me to say they have seen it when they're denying they haven't seen it. what i will say, people out there who are suspicious and say, excuse me, this is a
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bigger than the nfl. we're talking about the gravity of what domestic violence means in our society. >> first of all, you've always spoken against domestic violence. that's a part of your history, my history. i've been in this business 22
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years to be exact and obviously i've always been a staunch advocate against domestic violence. there's no excuse for a man to put his hands on a woman. you've got to walk away now more so than ever before. the spotlight is on you and appropriately so. it's clearly something that should have attention brought to it. a lot of women are explaining about the plight of domestic violence for quite some time. and too many individual males have been getting away with it. i think that day is coming to an end. and i think this is a step in the right direction, not just for the national football league, but professional sports altogether and society as a whole. >> we asked our social media community if ray rice should be banned from the nfl for life. here's some of the responses we got. >> ray rice belongs in jail, forget banning him. >> i think ray rice should be suspended six games only, because terminating him takes money and livelihood from kids and wife. >> michael says rice should not
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be suspended for life, but a year with no play or pay will send a powerful message. >> i tend to lean towards a year-long suspension is appropriate and the reason i say that as opposed to banning him for life. there are people, whether it's vehicle manslaughter, stallworth was driving behind the wheel and ended up killing an individual, leonard little, that name kapels to mind, somebody died because of their actions. you have to take that into consideration. in the case of michael vick, he resurrected his life and career, he deserved to be applauded for that, but he did maim and kill and electricute dogs and served his time. he was able to come back. we're receptive toward him and applaud the man he's become, his efforts with the humane society.
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so people can resurrect themselves and make amends. i don't think ray rice should be perceived as a finish product, but today is a very bad day. being cut by the baltimore ravens and suspended indefinitely by roger goodell definitely ensures that he will not play nfl football for the 2014 season. and i don't think there's a soul alive who would argue with that kind of ruling. but to say he should never play football again, that's a different story altogether. >> stephen a. smith, really great having you here. thanks for your time tonight. >> thank you. >> we'll be right back. please, please, please, please, please. [ male announcer ] the wish we wish above all...is health. so we quit selling cigarettes in our cvs pharmacies. expanded minuteclinic, for walk-in medical care. and created programs that encourage people to take their medications regularly. introducing cvs health. a new purpose. a new promise... to help all those wishes come true. cvs health.
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n finally tonight, justice delayed, but not denied for the central park five. a federal judge has signed off on a $41 million settlement for the five men once falsely accused of beating and raping a female jogger in central park back in 1989. the agreement awards the plaintiffs about $1 million each for each year of jail time the men served. and it brings to conclusion years of bitter legal battles
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over the men's arrests. it stemmed from that one night over two decades ago when the five teens were accused and quickly arrested at the scene of the crime. they said they did nothing wrong. under relentless police interrogation, the teenagers confessed to the crime but almost immediately recanted. the young men were convicted and all spent years in prison, but they didn't do the crime. i spoke with them in december of 2012 about the interrogations. >> they were telling, you know, everybody's families that all you got to do is say this and we'll let your sons go home. you know. this amount of trickery they were using was so devious that it caused even our parents at the point of saying, you know what, maybe if we just go along with it, we'll be able to get out of here. >> 25 years ago, america was different. new york city was different. but now we see there's beginning
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to see some change. i was among those that stood up for these boys. i watched one do 13 years and come out and work for us for three years. i'm glad to see them get compensated. but no one can give you 13 years back. no one can give them the time back. we must continue to do better. thanks for watching. i'm al sharpton, "hardball" starts right now. devastating. let's play "hardball." ♪ ♪ good evening, i'm chris matthews in washington. here in an elevator, we see a man beating a woman to unconsciousness. we see him drag her limp body across the elevator floor. for this he was fired today from his job. fired not because of the beating he gave this woman, but because you and i just got to s

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