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lot of the stuff that happens on your phone. there's a new payments thing that they rolled out. >> they want all your money in the phone at all times so they can have access to it and you can use that instead of the credit card. >> as we know, everything is very secure all the time. >> totally secure. because it's apple, right? what could possibly go wrong. charlie rozell, thank you very much for joining us tonight. chris hayes is up next. tonight on "all in" -- >> we are at a critical moment facing a serious danger and now is the time to act together. >> congress is preparing for a vote. the president is preparing his isis address and new polling shows americans actually want another war. somewhere v they been misled? then more nfl damage control. >> we assumed that there was a video, we asked for video, but we were never granted that opportunity. >> the nfl commissioner defends his actions and a day after his
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husband was cut and suspended, we hear from janay rice for the first time. plus, one month after the death of mike brown, a big announcement out of ferguson. >> this is the iphone 6. >> and this is the iphone 6 plus. >> and it's christmas for capitalists. while everyone swoons over apple's latest innovations, we'll tell you about the technology that will really change things. "all in" starts right now. good evening. the president will address the plan on isis, sending a message that america is back on war footing even before delivering his message to american people and telling congressional leaders in the meeting today, he has the authority to do it without their approval. a 9:00 p.m. address from the white house carries very particular weight. >> it's rare for him to speak in prime time. so i'm wondering why he chose to do it that way. what is that?
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>> the president believes this is a high national security priority. >> according to new polling from the nbc news and "the wall street journal," most of the american public is ready to reengage with 61% saying it's in our national interest to take military action against isis in iraq and syria. we'll get to whether or not that's justified in just a little bit. in congress, law makers seem to be taking it for granted we're going to war. they're not debating whether the u.s. should actually step up its military scam pain against isis, they're debating on whether or not congress should take a stoet to authorize it. it's bringing together some pretty strange bedfellows on capitol hill. rand paul who seems to have shed his misgivings about u.s. interventionists abroad, said he would seek congressional authorization to destroy isis militarily. he's joined by the reliable military intervention advocate john mccain who's calling on the president to come to congress for authorization as well. on the other side of the debate is lindsey graham, taking the
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somewhat unusual position as a sitting u.s. senator that the president should not consult him and his colleagues in congress on whether to launch a new military campaign. and graham is not alone. he's joined by, among others, dianne feinstein and carl eleven, influential chairs of the senate intelligence and a armed services committees. in a spectacular moment of rare congressional candor, gop congressman jack kingston articulated exactly why so many lawmakers don't want to do to so. quote, a lot of people would like to stay on the sideline and say just bomb the place and tell us about it later. it's an election year democrats don't know how it would play in their party, republicans don't want to change anything. we like the path we're on now. we can denounce it if it goes bad, praise it if it goes well and ask him what took him so long. in the meeting in the oval office today, the president told the congressional leaders he has the authority he needs to pursue his strategy against isis. according to the white house, the president did reportedly ask for approval from the congress to train the syrian opposition.
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although they've asked for buy-in from the conscious, which does not appear anywhere in the constitutional and whose meeting proves hard to pin down. >> i don't know what you mean by buy-in. buy-in seems to me would imply a vote of some kind. either a vote on appropriations or vote on an authorization or a sense of the congress resolution or some kind of a vote. is that what you want from congress? a vote on this? yes or no. >> well, if you want to get some insight into the president's current thinking about this, then i would refer you to the answer he gave chuck in the interview 48 hours ago. >> white house is asking congress to approve $5 billion counterterrorism fund opposed earlier this year. that could be used to pay for operation against isis. joining me now, senator angus king, independent from maine. senator, do you agree with the white house that they have the authority to strike? it appears even inside syria without congressional authorization?
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>> well, i think you put your finger on the real question is i don't know yet what they're planning to do. and that's really the key to the answer to the question of what kind of authority. if it's a continuation of air strikes within iraq to defend americans, to prevent a humanitarian crisis, that's one thing. probably do have the authority for that. if you're talking about striking in syria, which, by the way, if you're going to degrade and destroy isis, you almost have to, that's a whole different deal. and i tend to agree with the congressman that you quoted that it's too easy for congress to stand on the sidelines and say, you know, go ahead, mr. president, without voting, without taking a position, and then criticizing either way afterwards. we're pretty good at second guessing around here. i think there's a constitutional responsibility. there's this pes cky thing call the constitution, which says the congress has the power to declare war. the president is the commander-in-chief. there's a lot of sort of gray area between those two, but if you're talking about bombing raids in a different country, if
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you're talking about significant coalition actions, i think congress has a responsibility to step up and engage on this question. >> senator, since you're one of the few independents in congress, you're neither democrat or republican, i'm going to ask for some real talk here. if there was a secret ballot in the house and senate, or just a secret ballot in the senate on whether to have a vote or not, not having a vote would win, wouldn't it? >> i suspect you're probably right, although i haven't taken any kind of -- i don't have a poll on that question, but i suspect you're right. >> now, what do you actually want to see happen? like you said, there's been a lot of second guessing from a lot of people. the situation in iraq seems terrible. what do you actually want to see happen coming out of the address tomorrow? >> i have five things i'm looking for. the first thing is i need to hear from the president what the american interest is. what's our vital national interest that's at stake.
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what's the risk here. we have to be careful. those beheadings of the journalists were awful and grisly and inexcusable, but we're talking about going on to a war footing. what's the national interest at stake. number two, what are the goals? are we degrading this organization? are we rendering them ineffective, which is largely what we were able to do with al qaeda, at least for a while. or are we talking about destroying them, putting them out of business entirely, ousting them from mosul. that's a much bigger deal, and so i think we need to hear what it is that we're doing as a goal. third, this has got to be a coalition effort, chris. if we do it by ourselves, if we try to do it by ourselves, we know from recent history that is absolutely not going to work. so there's got to be a coalition, and then we've got to talk about, i believe, no come, significant combat troops. and then finally, we've got to
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get -- be sure that the government in baghdad is inclusive and doesn't create the situation where isis has a friendly sea to swim in. >> senator angus king, thank you very much. >> thank you. telling summation of what might motivate democratic senators to support military action against isis, as the senator just noted. florida senator bill nelson said, quote, all they have to do is esoo the videos, then it's not a hard vote. if the nation seems ready to go to war, it appears to be because of those two horrific videos of americans being brutally murdered. in the nbc news/wall street journal poll, 94% said they follow at least some news coverage of the beheadings. that's an astoundingly high percentage. according to another spork, spiking from 45% in june to 71% now. but in the public's mind, the coverage of isis, there are a number of considerations that have been run together. first, there's no debate over
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whether isis has committed murder or war crimes as they have advertised doing that and we have the tape. there is significant debate about the strategic threat isis poses to stability in the middle east, their strength, their about to hold territory and exploit sectarian fault lines, and crucially, the efficacy of american military intervention to address those concerns. and finally, there seems to be a broad consensus within the u.s. security establishment, isis does not pose an immediate threat to regular americans leading their daily lives here in the u.s. the fbi and the department of homeland security say there are no specific or credible terror threats, while the director of the national counterterrorism center said last week, isis is, quote, not al qaeda pre-9/11. that's a very different assessment than the one made by the public with almost half saying we're less safe now than we were before the september 11 attack. joining me now, the senior adviser from clolumbia
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university. the gap strikes me as a troubling one, because it seems that in some perverse way, the isis propaganda meant to terrorize the american public has been incredibly effective. >> when the boy next door gets his head chopped off and everybody sees it and is talking about it, that gives compelling cause for politicians and the public at large to get involved. the debate that's happening in washington, the importance of having a strategy, setting goals and developing a vision for iraq and syria is all a by-product of what we've seen as a result of isis personalizing its attacks. >> right. but the question, though, is -- so given the salience of those two brutal murders and the fact that they were done in this highly, you know, sort of us ostentatious way. everyone ran that video, not the whole thing, but we ran chunks of it. that's a distinct issue from the
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threat isis poses to americans here in the u.s., and also the issue about whether u.s. military intervention can be effective, right? >> the beheadings were not an isolated incident. they massacred thousands of christians in mosul. when they went into sinjar, they said either convert, pay a tax or we'll kill you. so there's a pattern of genocide. what we've developed in response to that is a way of combatting isis, using air power, no u.s. troops on the ground. the point of the spear are the iraqi pashmiraga and the iraqi army. >> why should we be confident? everyone says air strikes won't be enough. that seems to be a sort of universal -- not universal, but i've heard from a number of different sectors from different analysts, different parts of the region and the u.s., air strikes aren't going to be enough. they're going to have ground troops, you say. >> iraqi, but the question is,
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what gives us confidence that those forces are going to be any better equipped to do things now than they were three months ago? >> three months ago, they didn't have any weapons. there was no money in iraqi kurdistan because baghdad stopped paying its obligation to release funds from the national oil income. the iraqi kurds have shown that they are committed and capable, and when they're well equipped, they're capable of not only stopping isis, but preventing them and rolling back territory. >> so what does winning look like? >> winning involves killing isis leaders, removing isis from the theatre in iraq, and then -- >> removing isis from the theatre, what does that mean? >> using american air power to destroy the artillery and the apcs and the other equipment that they seized from the iraqi army. >> what is the time line for achieving that? >> that time line has already started. this big debate about congressional resolution should have occurred previously. we're already fighting isis.
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we had 145 air strikes in the past month. how long will it take? if our goal is to degrade isis, we can do that in short order. if we want to decapitate its leadership and destroy the organization, that will take longer. it will also require the u.s. to launch strikes across the border into syria. >> david phillips, thank you very much. >> nfl's commissioner spoke tonight for the first time since baltimore ravens player ray rice was fired from the team and suspended from the national football league. we'll bring you those remarks next. and this is a live shot of ferguson, missouri, where that seized council is meeting for the first time since the death of michael brown. major changes in how that town conducts itself is being announced tonight. jermaine lee is in ferguson at that meeting. he he'll join me live.
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that moment happened last night on espn's monday night broadcast. the league seems to have been trying to contain the storm and isolate the scandal. sort of tarnished the thing that they're selling for billions of dollars of football games.
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tonight, ray rice's termination and his indefinite suspension from the nfl. >> we assumed that there was a video. we asked for video. but we were never granted that opportunity. >> so did anyone in the nfl see the second video tape before monday? >> no. >> no one in the nfl? >> no one in the nfl. to my knowledge -- and i asked that same question. and the answer to that is no. >> the nfl is doubling down on the assertion that it did not see the video from inside the elevator of the hotel until yesterday morning saying we requested from law enforcement any video that may exist. we spoke to members of the new jersey state place, the atlantic city police department and the atlantic county prosecutor's office. that video was not made available to us and no one in our office saw it until
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yesterday. it should be noted that the nfl did note what happened in that elevator new video or no. today, nike terminated ray rice's contract simply saying ray rice is no longer a nike athlete. he said, in part, i have to be strong for my wife. she is so strong. we are in good spirts. we have a lot of people praying for us. we'll continue to support each other. that's most significantly, janay rice has spoken out. no one knows the pain the media and unwanted opinions from the public has caused my family. today, we relive a moment in our lives that caused such a horrible thing. this is our life. what don't you get? if your intentions were to hurt us, embarrass us, take everything we have away, you've
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succeeded on so many levels. >> this has been a teachable moment on doe mesic violence in america. people have judged her in the decision she has made in the wake me incident. some amazing hash tags on twitter. why i stayed and why i left with women talking about their own experiences. what's clear is that engaging in violence is morally inexcusable and wrong. everything else around this issue is complicated. joining me now is elizabeth planks. i think that that statement from janay rice hit me pretty hard. i played the video and there's the sense of all the people who have the biggest right to tell everyone to shut the hell up and go away, it is her. at the center of all of this is her and at the center is someone
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no one is really looking out for in some weird way. >> i think janay rice's life started becoming a nightmare. not from the media, but when ray rice decided to knock her unconscious in a elevator. i don't think the problem is the media. i think that's very good. i think it definitely is a little bit worrying seeing her be more concerned about his livelihood than her own. but at the same time, we shouldn't be blaming her. we shouldn't be judging her. for a lot of survivors, their livelihood is connected to the livelihood of their abuser, too. >> right. if they're saying it's monsterous and you marry him the next day. you hear it.
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you see people giving her sigh nigh. i want everyone in america to step off janay rice. just step off. that's my feeling. >> i think i used scram on twitter. i think i used that word an awful lot in the last couple days. she is the victim in this day. what we do have the right to do is to hold public, you know, institutions accountable so that they can serve people like rice. she was knocked out cold in a elevator. certainly, the nfl and the prosecutor there in new jersey knew that when they issued their sanctions and programs. the fact that video is out today reaffirms what many of us said at the very start of this. a two-game suspension and a diversionary program were not enough. we wouldn't have needed to see that tape if ray rice had told
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the truth up front. if he had not tried to blame his wife for instigating or initiating or provoking this incident. we wouldn't be here today if ray rice had told the truth. >> and her treatment in this entire or deal has been horrendous. you felt like she was forced to go there. he didn't really apologize to her. he literally said i'm apologizing to everyone who is affected by this situation that me and my wife were in. so he never really took responsibility, either. >> so there's two things that come across in people's reaction to this. one is the idea of the abuser losing their cool. and then the other part of it is captain of stockholm system or nationally irrational. i have to say, where people stay for all kinds of reasons, some of them are rational.
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some of them are cost benefit calculations that are their own to make. and that is nowhere to be found in the way that we're talking about this. >> exactly. even sf you get the data, it is the smart decision is to stay. leaving is the most dangerous moment for a woman leaving an abused life. so, actually, half of those women were killed when they tried to leave their abuse ere. so it's not just a complicated
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decision, its's a smart decision, unfortunately. >> i think that's exactly right. we are dealing with a complexity of issues and people make their own cost benefit analysis as to whether they stay or go. someone said to me on twitter she must have been trapped by the lifestyle. what do you say to people living in poverty who stay? what do you say to a woman who faces eviction if they report domestic violence. we don't know what's happening in that relationship day-to-day. but our focus has to be on those public institutions, like the nfl, certainly they are supported by us and our tax dollars. they really belong to us. and they're accountable to us. that's where our argument has got to lie. and we've got to support janay in any way we can. thank you both.
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kind of back-to-the future play. it somehow both allows users to share their heartbeats with another apple watch wearer. the most potentially revolutionary announcement flew under the radar. it's called apple pay. it's apple's play to have your smartphone replace your wallet. >> i'd like to show you just how fast and just how easy it is. >> okay, your total is $23.78. >> a few applause and laughter. using your smart phone to pay for purchases is not knew. just a few days ago, the phone service changed its name to soft card because its old name, isis, had become a branding disaster.
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but apple has a chance to succeed in achieving the kind of skill that so far has been elusive to other competitors. apple's partnered with major retailers to set up apple pay in their stores. it works by an existing technology called near field communications, which allows devices to swap data. photos or payment info, just by tapping them together. it's only been a week and a half since the fallout of people's concerns. apple emphasized the merchant does not get your credit card number. instead, apple pay generates
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a one-time payment number and security code for every purchase. the truly big money tech goes to whoever manages a market in a natural monopoly. just ask microsoft's bill gates and facebook's mark zuckerberg. apple would like to be the ones controlling all of that. joining me, john sculley. john, why has this not worked already? a lot of people working on this problem and why does apple have a good shot of doing what others have failed to do? >> first of all, this is a long game for apple. this is not an easy thing to start. when we saw the build-out of the mobile telephone system, it required pay stations and cell towers and a whole infrastructure to be built. same thing is going to have to happen here. there are about 200,000 retailers ready in october to use apple pay. but there are probably 2 million retailers across the united
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states, and most of them have the old-fashioned card reader. here's the way i think of it. we are in the early days of the big data revolution. and what that means is we're getting billions of sensory devices. apple is putting a lot mf senses if their smartphones and iwatch. we're going to be able to capture trillions of bytes of data in realtime, and it's going to be processed. it's shifting the balance of power from producers to
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customers. customers are getting smarter, they're paying more attention to what other customers say than what the big brands do. >> let me say this, to me, it's shifting the balance from producers to customers. it's also creating a massive point of leverage and value for people who control that data. let us be clear. >> you are right. >> who are not the customers. >> you have to control it. ali babba is a company that's going public next week. it's china's amazon. it's building an incredible ecosystem. apple has an ecosystem for certain kinds of products. >> the more people that used it, the more valuable the network. the more people on facebook, the more valuable facebook is. that seems to be an increasing
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returns area of the payment system. it's going to be really, really big. >> there's a profound question here about the sort of nature of apple as a company. and now it's kind of a digital appliance company. it almost becomes, you know what is apple as a company if it's running a huge payment system?
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>> you're constantly having to reinvent yourself. it believes in no compromise in the user experience. and apple has always been able to give the best user experience. ought to be beautiful or really simple. here's an example. it's simple for the customer, but there's a whole complex behind that to make it work that well. that is at odds with competitive nature. a big announcement tonight of changes coming to ferguson. joining us live, you're looking at a live shot right now. stick around. and bounty has no quit in it either.
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tonight, what some are calling a new deal for ferguson. tonight, we're watching the first city council meeting since the city erupted. arrests began in response and the media coverage quickly expanded to address not only the relationship to african americans and the police, but the entire weight of the municipality and structure. ferguson was running on fines and fees that are associated with tickets, warrants and more fines followed. last year, there were more
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arrest warrants issued in ferguson last year than people living in ferguson. it comes out to three warrants per household. ferguson is a dramatic outlier. warrants issued by st. louis, kansas city paled. the city's most recent budget reads, due to a more concentrated focus on traffic, municipal revenues have increased 44% since 2011. today, 20% of the city's budget comes from fines. there's a lot of anger in ferguson about this set of facts.
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jermaine, what is it like inside there? the tone was set from the very beginning. following the justice for all part, there was this rumbling of the crowd. people, again, we were fired up and can't take it anymore. and then they got to the ordinances that strike some of the fees and how they'll be used. and people applauded. but then when got to the question answer portion, people riled up. they ended up with folks on their shoulders, unable to get jobs because of the warrants and arrests. so the tone inside is pretty tense. >> so let's talk about these three ordinances. so the city council has come together with three ordinances to address some of these issues. what are they? what are they doing? >> one is that in the use of the
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income generated from these warrants, fines and fees are only 15%. only 15% can go to the general fund. all of that money you mentioned is the second leading income general rated from the city. it will be capped at 15%. there are a number of fines and fees associated with missing court dates. so as a part of this ordinance, there will be a payment plan. that's kind of the gist of it. >> so the idea here is to get rid of some of the -- this kind of handcuffs that people are put in around a traffic ticket becomes a warrant and becomes more fines. the scene inside that room, you and i saw a very intense political move. do you feel tonight that this is
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a new chapter in the politics of that town? >> oh, certainly. one after another said when are we going to get 100% voter participation? when are we going to unite as a community. when are we going to find candidates to stand up and replace the current administration? they pointed out over and over again all the social institutions are run and employed by white people. going through the police department. people in the tone are still very angry and frustrated. but the message is when are we going to stand up? >> thank you so much. >> thank you. >> here's your question. what are the worst governments in america? the answer, next.
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elections, just 6% of african residents voted. turn out in local election social security famously low. the myth of localism is rooted deep in our political psyche as terms of application and terms of abuse, none of us is equipped to see the government that actually oppresses us is actually closest to us. joining me now, brian murphy, assistant professor. i want to talk to you because you cover hyper local politics. >> on one level, it's -- there's so many different levels, it's difficult to monitor.
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one is you have no information so you just vote on your party. in jersey, there are hundreds of municipalities. add in boards and commissions and school boards and you've got thousands of bodies. >> and a lot of those people are not elected through a genuine democratic process. even the ones who are elected show up with 7% to vote and endorsed by so and so. >> the mayor in my town, no disrespect to him, but it's the same guy who was there when i left high school. and a lot of the -- i mean, going back -- look at jersey in the last year. a lot of it is the very same people. that's a problem in and of itself. but there's also, i think, this problem of local government. we almost don't have a good vocabulary to talk about -- >> absolutely.
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>> -- the civic problems that happen when you have an empowered local government that isn't accountable. >> right. particularly because they make a lot of decisions. it seems like a problem for a democratic theory perspective. it shouldn't be the case when people say if i'm a homeowner, happen to me a heck of a lot. you should have a lot of citizen buy-in, but you don't. >> we don't get that. in a lot of ways, that's sort of built into the federal system. we have this domineering british empire. and then, what you end up getting is a government that's in its local forum is really empowered by the national state in very weird ways. but then the national state can pull back and fend for
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themselves. >> go look at the southern states. a country unto itself. >> go look if they had military personnel carriers. but you don't need that. >> that's exactly right. it looks like it's a sort of hyperlocal. state bureaus have emptied out. the local race, i am a professional journalist, citizen. i had no idea what to do with those people. none. there is an inversion. if you're watching this right now, you know who the president is. you probably know your senator. get down to congress, your assembly, things start to get a little hazy. >> it's totally counterintuitive. >> yes, and then it has real
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consequences. >> right. it depends on if you have a place that's a big media market. if they're not, or you're in jersey where you're between new york and philadelphia -- >> no one is showing up to the city council meetings. you can get away with a lot. brian murphy, thank very much. >> that is "all in" for this evening. >> thanks for staying with us for the next hour. we have a big show planned tonight. the interview tonight is wendy davis. the democratic candidate who i almost just ran down like a bowling ball. she was on her way in. i was sprinting to the set and if it's anything like what it was during the interview, it's going to be very exciting. also, more news about the nfl story that has crossed over into major nonsports news. the nfl commissioner has just come out and made new remarks tonight.

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