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so perhaps russell pierce should be forgiven for taking the wildest dreams of his fellow partymen and saying them out loud. that is all for now. i'll see you back here tomorrow at 4:00 p.m. the ed show is coming up next. good evening, americans and welcome to the ed show. live from detroit lakes, minnesota. let's get to work. >> goodell visibly absent during game day sunday. >> planes with banners reading goodell must go. >> ray rice will appeal his indefinite suspension today. >> allegedly beating his pregnant fiancee. mcdonnell has not been form --
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formally charged. >> nfl mvp adrienne peterson was deactivated on friday. >> take them off the field because they respect that. >> good to have you with us. thank for watching. this is a week where the highlight tape really doesn't mean that much. so we start tonight with major news out of the nfl. there are new developments. minnesota vikings are reversing course and they will play star running back adrian peterson against the saints. he was benched last week. as we reported friday from dallas, he was indicted by a grand jury in texas on a felony charge of injury to a child. the six-time pro bowler allegedly hit his four-year-old son with a switch. it resulted in numerous injuries to the child that were found and reported by the child's doctor. minnesota vikings held a press
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conference today and addressed their reasoning to play him this week. venling we are trying to do the right thing. this is a difficult path to navigate regarding the judgment of how a parent disciplines his child. based on the extensive information that we have right now, and what we know about adrian not only as a person, but what he has also done for this community, we believe he deserves to play while the legal process plays out. at the same time, we must defer to the legal system to determine whether he went too far, but we cannot make that judgment. >> adrian peterson released say statement later this afternoon. it read in part, i'm not a perfect son, perfect husband, perfect parent, but i am without a doubt not a child abuser. i am someone that disciplined his child and did not intend to cause him any injury. peterson wasn't the only player sitting out this week.
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carolina panthers head coach ron rivera chose to sit greg hardy on the bench on sunday. he was convicted of domestic violence and is appealing the ruling. ray rice's indefinite suspension continues and he is not expected to play the rest of this season. although nbc news reports that ray rice will appeal his suspension today. rice is expected to contend that he told the league the team, the truth, about what happened in the elevator. meanwhile, the san francisco 49ers are not caving to public pressure. they played ray mcdonald against the chicago bears last night on a loss. he was arrested on suspicion on domestic violence. the decision to play mcdonald has california lieutenant governor gaven new some outraged. the 49ers' continued insist tns
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on playing ray mcdonnell during his ongoing criminal investigation is a painful affront to every victim of domestic violence and sends a troubling message to our community. now, when you look at this, these are four different players on four different players. every team is handling it differently, although there are similarities. with the exception of ray rice, the teams are allowing due process to unfold before any severe penalties are initiated. this has sparked a heated debate among fans and football players. on sunday, vikings hall of fame wide receiver chris carter made a heated case against child abuse. he said benching players is the only solution. >> my mom was wrong, she did the best she could. she was wrong about some of that stuff she taught me. i promised my kids i won't teach that mess to them. you can't be the kid to make them what they want to do. >> that is correct. thank you. >> thousands of things we have learned since then. and now we're to the point the
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only thing i'm proud about is the team that i played for, they did the right thing. take him off the field. i don't care -- we're in a climate right now, i don't care what it is, take him them off the dang on field. >> the vikings have reversed that position as of late. on the flip side, some people are coming to his defense. >> i'm from the south. whipping is -- we do that all the time. every black parent in the south is going to be in jail under those circumstances. i think we have to be careful letting people how -- they dictate how -- you know, treat their children. >> it doesn't matter where you are from. right is right and wrong is wrong. >> well, i don't believe that because, listen, we spank kids in the south. i think the question about did adrian peterson go over board. we all grow up in different environments.
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every black parent in my neighborhood in the south would be in jail under those circumstances. >> public scrutiny of the nfl has never been higher. incident after incident is keeping bad headlines front and center for the league. this time, it's child abuse. throughout all of this, i've wondered, does the nfl have a company manual? many corporations in this company, many in this country, many companies in this country have got an employee manual. these are the dos and the don'ts. you do this, you got fired. you do this, this is the restitution. i find it hard to believe that the national football league which is such a part of our culture has not formulated a standards and practices manual and a discipline guideline for the players about what the league will accept and not accept as behavior on or off the field. get a manual. get an employee's manual. that's the least thing roger goodell should do and it should be about this thick and i don't
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care how much money these players make or how famous they are, they have to abide by it and they wouldn't be in the league. right now, the league is developing a serious credibility problem and there are some fans across america no matter what happens they are going to say i love my team, i love my player, i'm going to be behind them, no matter. it is my entertainment, this is the way it is. by the way, they will take care of it. it's much deeper than that and what is really paramount here is that the national football league is such a part of our culture in this country and is developed to be such a part of our culture, they are uniquely positioned to do something and to do it right and to get it right, if it takes you all season long, get it right. come up with a standards and practice manual that your players must follow or they can't be in the league. or is winning just too important? get your cell phones out. i want to know what you think. tonight's question, are the
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vikings doing the wrong thing by letting adrian peter play? text a for yes, b for no. we'll bring you the results later on in the show. for more, let me bring in pediatric psychologist and neuropsychologist dr. kimberly williams. she joins us here on the ed show tonight. doctor, i appreciate your time. there's so many facets to this story, but i want to focus in on the child, if i can. allegedly hitting his son repeatedly with a three tree branch. are you familiar with this type of punishment and what it does to the kid? a four-year-old child, not many people can remember what it was like to be four years old and the experiences they had in life. what about all that, doctor? >> so definitely i have to say there's been a lot of talk about historically and culturally spanking children, whether it's the african-american community,
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culturally all diverse groups have been known to spank their children. in fact about 90% of americans admit to spanking their children. however, you have to draw a line. you cannot cross the line of excessive physical abuse and excessive physical force. i've read the indictment paperwork and it does seem to indicate that this was excessive. there were multiple wounds on this child. >> well, doctor, adrian peterson, is it possible that he doesn't know the difference between discipline and abuse because of the way he was brought up? >> that's absolutely possible, and, you know, based on his statements, he was absolutely following a generational pattern. i think it's very challenging sometimes for parents to know what is excessive force, what makes the most sense to get a child to follow the behaviors and the rules that you have set forth for them. >> how damaging would this be to
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a child? how much of a mental scar could this be, an emotional scar on this child or any child? >> it's well-known that spanking is an excessive force, especially particularly in four-year-old preschool-age children often lead to more aggressive patterns in the classroom. you know, hitting and rough and difficult behaviors in the classroom or with their peers and with their siblings. children model exactly what they see and learn from their parents, so if you are using excessive force and beating a child, every time you want to get them to do something that you want them to do, this is what the child is going to learn, and it's going to show in the classroom, in the playground all the time. >> peterson wrote in a statement today, he said i have to live with the fact that when i disciplined my son the way i was disciplined as a child, i caused an injury that i never intended or thought would happen. he says he also understands that
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after the meeting with the psychologist that there are other alternative ways of disciplining a child that may be more appropriate. what do you make of that statement? >> that's absolutely true. one thing you have to recognize is that unless your child is imminent immediate danger there's no need to put your hands on your child to discipline them. you can be pro active. you can provide structure and rules and children that are four years old, that preschool-age, time out, time-out strategies are very effective when you learn how to do them appropriately. removing privileges from a child are also very helpful. you know, i wasn't there. i don't know what the environment was like, what the situation was like, what the supervision was like, but i do you know certainly recognize that, you no he, there are children who don't respond to immediate directions. and you need to use different levels of strategies and disciplines for children, but it doesn't have to -- it does
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knotted have to include excessive physical force. >> from what you saw, was this child abuse? >> this was excessive force based on what i was reading. >> dr. kimberly williams. i appreciate your time tonight. thank you for joining us. >> thank you for having me. let me bring in eneas williams. pastor, good to have you on with us tonight. you spent a lot of years in the national football league. a prolific player. your overall reaction to the way the league has been handling these instances so far? >> well, first of all, thank you for having me on. my overall reaction is to make sure that many know, as many as i can tell, that this is not the majority of the league as it relates to players and former players. i have a wife, three daughters, and there are many things that we learn through this league and
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i don't like the way it's been handled. it's a work in progress, and i know the league is going to go forward and get it right. they are going to get the proper professionals, the proper people to get together, get committees together and find a way to properly address this issue in the national football league. >> well, pastor williams, i made reference in a short commentary a moment ago, why doesn't the league have a players manual, the dos and don'ts, what's tolerated and what isn't. you were in the league, does the league not have a standards and practices manual for players? >> there is a standards and practice manual, however, these issues in particular coming to the forefront and what i would say about the national football league, ed, it's a double edged sword, when you are in the number one league and you are the most popular league, you get
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all the kudos but also you get the greatest critique. what i would like to say is reshape the iron while it's hot. leverage this influence to come up with best practices, come up with punitive things that would also coincide with the players association or able to also to communicate about, so you can come up with not just knee jerk reaction, but concrete things that you have now a consistent way of handling these issues, whether it's domestic violence or it's child abuse. >> well, it's the statistics show that this is one of the major problems that the league has, domestic violence, and do you think that these players should be suspended before the legal process plays out or do they have a standard to live up to as a player? >> there is a standard to live up as a player, but i've been thinking about this.
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domestic violence, even in our cultural, with the laws and kbies not getting any time in jail as a result of some of these issues, but i want to say let's also start at the universities. many of these players come out of school and i think the key is education. even as a parent, i grew up, my parents did an excellent job, we got disciplined. many times, we got the spankings it was on our derriere. going forward, we're in a different time and different culture where people are being held accountable for things that are out of order. as a parent, i've become better educated and better information, and even made me a better parent. i think starting at the time collegiate level and also through different training at the league level, get players education, get them better understanding on conflict resolution, better understanding of the different methods just as dr. williams mentioned, what are some of those different tools as
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it relates to disciplinary actions with a child. those are things that i want to see now going forward. >> you think the league -- the vikings are doing the right thing by playing adrian peterson after sitting him out last week? i mean, it's -- he's been arrested. he's been indicted. he's been indicted and arrested. he's facing some legal trouble. no question about it. professionals are saying that it was abusive, yet he plays in the nfl. there's going to be a lot of people to say there's something wrong with this picture. are the vikings doing the right thing? >> there may be many people that make the statement. i would have to think with the amount of scrutiny that's on the league right now, between the minnesota vikings and at the league level, there's been communication with professionals as well as attorneys, as well as the players association to find out in this case what is the appropriate action to take right now, notwithstanding what will
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come later on in terms of policies and the consistent due process that happens within the national football league. >> all right. pastor williams, it's good to have you with us tonight. i appreciate your time. thanks so much. remember to answer tonight's question there at the bottom of screen and share your thoughts with us on twitter at ed show. we appreciate the like. we all want to know what you think and we read your comments. thank so much. coming up, my interview with the guests of honor at the harken state fry in indian old la, iowa. stay with us. right back with the ed show. when fixed income experts work with equity experts who work with regional experts
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get allies on board. venling several arab nations say they will join in on air strikes against isis. >> several arab countries have also pledged to participate in an air campaign. >> this is a strategy coming together as the coalition comes together. >> it's going to have to be a team effort. >> in today's top trender, ground game. >> we're fighting a terrorist army. it's going to take an army to beat an army. >> president obama continues to insist no u.s. boots on the ground. >> this president needs to rise to the occasion before we all get killed back here at home. >> lindsey graham says we needs boots on the ground to stomp out isis. >> this idea we'll never have any boots on the ground to defeat them in syria is fantasy. >> there are troops on the ground. they are called syrian. >> i will not let this president suggest to the american people we can outsource our security. we have to mobilize the local forces on the ground.
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>> this -- if they survive our best shot, they will open the gates of hell on to the world. >> joining me now is colonel wilkerson, former secretary of state colin powell. there's a lot shaking in the middle east no doubt and this comes as a great surprise that there are deals being made that i don't think america really counted on. but, first of all, colonel, what is your reaction to lindsey grah graham's comments? >> ed, i can't -- i really can't believe my political party anymore, but particularly the two leading war amongers, senator john mccain and lindsey graham from my home state of south carolina. i don't know whether this is political opportunityism,
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exploiting the politics of fear much as joe mccarthy did, during the cold war or the communityist red scare. whether it's cold spell. whether it's a combination of the two and perhaps add a little spice of political opportunityism in the sense of anything that president obama wants to do, they are opposed to it. but it's insanity writ large. >> you and i have talked about loyalties in the middle east. the syrian moderates, i asked you not long ago and other folk on this program, who are the syrian moderates? >> ed, if you can find me a moderate in that regime, i would love to see him and put him in a test tube and study him. i don't think there are any. i understand today from a friend in the intelligence community that the forces in syria opposed to asad, whether they be the syrian free army or whatever have signed a nonaggression pact as it were with the islamic
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state forces. so that tells me there's a lot of sympathy and empathy between those two different groups of forces, and we're talking about arming and bombing and so forth in syria? this makes no sense to me. >> so what is this deal mean for the united states and the strategy the president has put forth with syria, that we were going to arm these syria moderates and now they cut a deal with isis? >> i think it means this is the wrong tactic and i would back up and say i don't think he expressed anything strategic. he expressed some tactical moves. i hope beneath that, in secret, there is some sort of strategy, including talking with iran, the most stable state in southwest asia and a state whose interest in this regard align perfectly with our own. so i hope there is a strategy there somewhere. these tactics, bombing to help the peshmerga and to help the
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iraqi forces in iraq, make some sense in a tack at this tal point of view, but it makes no sense to bomb in syria when you can't sort out the people you are bombing. it makes no sense to arm them when you can't sort them out. what you are going to have is they are going to be turning their weapons at some point against us. >> so this creates actually possibly a bigger problem for asad and now you've got several arab nations who have said they will join the united states in air strike against isis? how hopeful are you to that happening and a good conclusion? >> i think we're looking at the possibility of two really dangerous developments. one is that we follow the insane advice of people like mccain and graham and other neoconservatives and what we'll do then is we'll fuse all these disparity jihadist elements and perhaps lots of arabs and
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persians in the process into killing the united states marines and soldiers in their presence. in other words, they will do something -- we'll do something they can't do. we'll unit fie them. another thing we start a real sectarian conflict, which is what the saudis want. the last man left standing is the winner and the united states is in there somewhere losing its power on the peripheries of its empire. >> no good solutions early on here. there's no doubt about that. colonel lawrence wilkerson. great to have you with us tonight. i appreciate your time. thank so much. up next, my weekend with some old friends. >> say hi to my old buddy ed schultz. >> do you just let anybody come here? >> how are you? >> my favorite senator hit the hawkeye state as well.
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>> in our asking ed live. our first question is i saw you interview former president bill clinton at senator harkens final steak fry. >> no, i've had him on the the radio several times. he loves to talk politics. >> next question is about debbie, what did you like most about your visit to iowa? >> seeing tom harkin. it was grade to see him. he was a grade friend -- great friend. he's been a real fighter for workers his entire career and we wouldn't have obamacare if we hadn't had him on the committee to push that thing through.
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our team headed to india old la iowa to go to tom harkens final steak fly. we talk to iowa voters and ran into some old friends. >> the 37th annual harken state fry, it's the biggest ever. now, it isn't the steak. it is tom harkin and a great absolute to him from the folks in iowa. he's spent the last 40 years on the front line on so many issues and made progress. iowa democrats celebrated his career at his 37th and final steak fry. >> this is my first time here and i've never lived in iowa before and being able to come
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here first time especially at his retirement, there are no words. >> i'm very thankful for everything tom has done. he was a great senator. >> good to see you. >> great to see you. >> look, i'm going to miss it. of course, i'm going to miss it, but 40 years is long enough for anybody. time to move aside gracefully and let somebody else move in. >> the guests of honor, bill and hillary clinton. it was hillary's first visit to iowa in several years. she was looking to rekindle some old friendships. >> say hi to my buddy ed schultz. >> good to see you. >> i heard there was steak here. i wasn't going to that pass that up. >> there is. >> i had a chance to visit and speak with her former hess bill clinton who paid a tribute.
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>> on these big issues, america should be proud that he served them in the senate. >> he really cared about people. >> he cared about people and he figured out what he could do to empower them to make their own lives and protect them from being run over. it's not rocket science. this guy -- this gentleman was a deal maker. you know, and politics the way it is in washington now, is the art of the deal gone? >> i hope not. >> tom har kin got more done in four years. >> enough of that. >> look at his record. he is a very consequence shall figure. >> the man from hope still believes in compromise. >> nobody here has to give up what they believe in but the constitution should be
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subtitled, i'll tell you until i'm blue in the face, let's make a deal. the framers of the constitution set it up to promote inclusion. and everywhere in the world to see this? what's the big key whether iraq makes it, whether the shia, the largest group take the sunni, tribal groups and do an inclusive government. putting things together, wherever that's happening, good things are happening. >> while it's clear hillary clinton is the only frontrunner shent the only one on the mind of iowa diagrams. is it going to be hillary? >> yes. >> what about bernie and joe? >> bernie and joe i love. we're ready. >> is it all about hillary. >> no, not at all. i'm not ready to say i'm ready for hillary yet, don't let anybody hear me say that. >> i love bernie and joe and the
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party does need them to move hillary a little more to the left. >> i'm not offended by hillary but not totally set that she's the only answer either. >> okay. so there's bernie sanders, joe biden. >> absolutely. i wish we had more talk from bernie. i wish he will get a little bite. >> you want competition? >> she needs it. >> joining me now in our rapid response panel. great to have both of us. katrina you first. i have to say that the clintons are very at ease. they are very comfortable with who they are, the way life is, confidence pours off them, in fact, hillary looks like she doesn't have a worry in the world, but i heard through the crowd numerous times yesterday that, you know, they want competition. they want a debate, and katrina,
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your thoughts are liberals ready to embrace hillary this time around? because it seems like there's a lot of people on the left that think she hasn't gone far enough. your thoughts. >> it was really interesting to hear your interviews, ed. i don't think it's settled. i do think people we're a better country. primaries are about expanding debate and bringing new ideas into the process, about allowing citizens to be participants, not just spectators. i think there's a hunger and i say go for it. no one should be anti hillary for the sake of being anti hillary. there's a hunger for a woman president. i think you want to see other alternatives. whether it's bernie sanders who was in iowa the same day, governor martin o'mali. there are others. i think it's a populist moment in this country, to say for a memo, senator tom harkin
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fighting. he is someone has said the center has moved too far to the right and he's someone i believe said the other day we do need to see what is out there. this is about democracy and participation and i think that's what people seek. >> e.j., hillary said ie away i'm back. if she's back in the same campaign she had in 2008, she might be in trouble. her campaign is going to have to get contemporary and run it parallel to what obama did. is she going to be and have to be a different type of candidate? >> i think she is. i think she became a different type of candidate in the course of the 2008 campaign. she was a much better candidate in the later primary. she actually ran a much more populist campaign in the later primaries. she actually i think got more votes than obama toward the end. so i think she's well ware that when you come in third in a
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caucus you thought you were going to win, you need a new approach. on this issue of should hillary clinton be challenged or not, i think the record is mixed on whether primary challenges are good or bad for a candidate. i think there are a couple of indicates cases where's it clearly bad for a candidate, mitt romney got pushed way off to the right in 2012. two incumbents were hurt by primaries. on the other hand, the '08 primary between john edwards in the beginning between obama and hillary clinton and was very good for obama. the 2008, bush mccain created a lot of interest in bush. i don't think there's a clear answer to this. i don't think there's a clear answer of whether hillary would become more progressive by being challenged by the left or being sported by the left.
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>> there is a big debate out there, and with the disagreement with my esteemed colleague. i think it's good for the country to hear the full range of alternative views. this is the moment where majts majorities say they are in sync in what they say populist views. social security, medicare, increasing the minimum wage, tackling inequality, so there's a hunger out there and we see it in elections across this country, in cities and states, and it was interesting to me to be -- mayor bill did he blast yo, clintons were there and some of think colleagues said oh, this, this and that. listen, the clintons know where the energy in the party is i think that's something you see in primaries. >> i agree with katrina on that
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set of issues very much. >> i think this is partly a tactical question about what will advance a series of progressive goals, and also a plaque at this kal -- practical question whether primaries can toughen a candidate up, air these issues in a way that's helpful in the long run or whether they prove very divisive. we should be candid we don't quite know where it's going to go. i'm all for a debate about those issues. i don't think those are highly divisive in the democratic party at the moment in fact. >> i have to tell both of you, it was very interesting to watch the clintons yesterday. they definitely know how to be nice to people and they definitely -- they could give a clinic to anybody on retail politics, and they are a very consuming of what's going on, and -- >> indeed. >> "the washington post" had a
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talk about evaluating the middle class. nationalizing health care, and also, the fight, the influence of money on politics. >> what you are looking at in a significant way is the movement of this country toward an algartic form of society which will be run by a handful of billionaire families. we must not allow that to happen. >> i got to tell you, if there was any political exhaustion across america, it didn't show up in iowa over the weekend. democrats want to see stiff competition for whoever gets the nomination. >> i'm not offended by hillary, but not totally set that she's the only answer either. >> okay, so there's bernie sanders, joe biden. >> absolutely. i wish we had more from bernie. i wish he would get a little more bite. >> you want competition? >> she needs it. >> meanwhile, on sunday, bernie sanders made his first
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appearance with chuck todd on nbc's "meet the press." the independent senator from vermont made the point that he knows what liberals are thinking about. >> i am thinking about running for president. the issue is not hillary. i've known her for many years, have a lot of report for hillary clinton. the question is, at a time when so many people have seen a decline in their standard of living, when the wealthiest people are doing phenomenally well, the american people want change. >> the question remains whether the liberal base will vote for the kind of change senator sanders is talking about. senator, good to have you with us. three town hall meetings in iowa over the weekend. does that make you feel better about running for president? where are you, sir? >> i want to thank the people of iowa. the turn-out was fantastic in des moines. we had about 450 people coming out to the meeting and asking great questions. having a great discussion. look, ed, what my perception is,
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in iowa and throughout this country, is, the american people are hurting. they want a real serious discussion on the real and serious issues facing our country, which have a lot to do with why the middle class is disappearing. why we have more people living in poverty than ever before, and while at the same time, corporations are enjoying record-breaking profits and the wealthy are doing phenomenally well. how does that happen? how do we change it? how do we make government work for the middle class and working families and not just the 1%. >> what did you hear in iowa? are the folks in iowa concerned about the things you consistently talk about, and do they want you to run? >> well, ed, you know, we talked about 800 people in iowa, and that's a state of three million people, so i can't tell you i've talked to everybody in that state. but what i did hear is a real frustration that we don't have leadership in this country that is standing up for people who are working longer hours for low
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wages, for families who can no longer afford to send their kids to college. no longer discussing why it is that america's the only major country on earth that doesn't provide health care to all of their people. and i'll tell you something, what got resonance in every meeting that i talked about, and that is the united decision that allows the billionaires to buy elections. people are outraged about that. and this is not just a liberal or progressive issue. across the board, whether you're conservative, progressive, if you're in the middle class, you know that there's something wrong when since the wall street crash, 95% of all new income goes to the top 1%. people think that's not right. >> senator, what do you say to those who say hillary clinton is unstoppable, too many resources, too much infrastructure and will go right to the nomination,
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what's your response to that? >> look, what i say, i like her, i respect her. but i think this country at every level needs serious debate, not 30 second sound bites, not negative attack ads. productivity has greatly expanded and yet incomes for working families are going down. why? our trade policies, bafta, permanent, normal trade relations, in my view, have been a disaster for working families. others may disagree. let's debate that issue. how do you address that we have more income and wealth inequality than any other country on earth. how do we move to a national health care program to guaranty health care to all people? is that a good idea? i think it is. others would disagree. so much to be discussed and we're not about anointing anybody for nomination.
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>> quickly, senator, when is your next trip to iowa? >> i think in a couple weeks, actually, now that you ask. >> i think you're seriously thinking about it, no doubt. senator, good to have you with us tonight. i appreciate your time. thanks so much. >> thank you, ed. >> you bet. that's "the ed show." "politicsnation" starts right now. >> good evening and thanks to you for tuning in. two major developments in two nfl scandals that could put commissioner roger goodell in a tough position. nbc sports reporting tonight ray rice will go on the offense, appealing the indefinite suspension handed down by the league. he's expected to file by tomorrow. the suspension came after this video surfaced, showing rice punching his then fiancee in an elevator. rice is expected to argue he told the team and the league that he punched her


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