tv The Last Word With Lawrence O Donnell MSNBC September 15, 2014 7:00pm-8:01pm PDT
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benched their star running back on sunday for getting indicted for injuring a child, then they lost their game against the patriots. so you ought to be able to figure out what the vikings did next. >> today the nfl continued to try to contain the fallout of the past week. >> it was another rough weekend for the nfl. >> another disastrous weekend for the nfl. >> defensive end ray mcdonald. >> hardy. >> peterson will be back on the field this week. >> ray rice will appeal his indefinite suspension. >> there's a culture problem. >> this is bigger than ray rice, adrian peterson. >> it's something that goodell will have to grapple with. >> a series of scathing emoti s emotional commentary. >> flying banners over the
stadium, reading "goodell must go." >> can they fix the problem by creating social responsibility. >> hours ago, roger goodell announced the hiring of four women. >> to advise the league. >> domestic violence experts who will serve as senior advisers to the league. >> there's a cultural problem. >> this is bigger than ray rice. this is bigger than adrian peterson. >> four high-profile domestic abuse cases that are overshadowing the game. the minnesota vikings lost to the new england patriots yesterday, by a lot. after the vikings decided that their best running back, adrian peterson couldn't play because he managed to get himself indicted on friday in texas for one count of injuring a child, the child being his 4 year old son who he whipped to the point where he cut the boy's naked skin in several spots, including
the 4-year-old's genitals. today, the vikings decided that one big loss is enough of a price for the team to lay for adrian peterson's indictment. >> we are trying to do the right thing. this is a difficult path to navigate. regarding the judgment of how a parent disciplines his child. based on the extensive information that we have right now and what we know about adrian, not only as a person, but what he has also done for this community, we believe he deserves to play while the legal process plays out. >> and so if the new orleans saints are going to beat the vikings on sunday, they'll have to do it while playing against a somewhat distracted adrian peterson. and this weekend, ray rice returned to his high school in new rochelle, new york where he was welcomed as a returning hero by the football coach there who coached him ten years ago. he
was accompanied by his wife janay who he was seen knocking up with one punch in a video released last week that earned him an indefinite suspension from the nfl. ray rice is now expected to appeal that decision. joining me now is sports reporter who maintains the nfl's arrest database, usa today's brent skroetenbore. >> take us through the catalog of ignored crimes that have occurred in the nfl when people were not focused on it the way we are now. >> there have been 730 nfl player arrests going back to january 2000. very few of them got the attention that these most recent incidents have gotten. i think that's in large part
because there was video of the ray rice incident. that that's one of 89 going back some years. this is nothing new for the nfl. and often the nfl only gave the player a one or two game suspension. so the outrage is really stemming have the video and the fact that it attracted so much attention. >> and adrian peterson released this statement today in which he said in part, i am not a perfect parent, actually, he didn't have to tell us that. we already knew that. but i am, without a doubt, not a child abuser. i am someone that disciplined his child and did not intend to cause him any injury, no one can understand the hurt that i feel for my son and for the harm i caused him. my goal is always to teach my son right from wrong, and that's what i tried to do that day.
so that statement, and a big loss on sunday was enough to get him back on the team. >> that's essentially what it is, really. he can pretty much thank the patriots defense for the fact that he's going to suit up on sunday again. this statement is no different than the statement he released through his attorney when news of the indictment first came down. there's this dissidence that's happening right now where he does say he feels bad for the injuries he caused his child but he doesn't think it counts as child abuse. this is the way he was dismenned as a kid and he attributes that discipline to much of his success as a nfl player. and that's his issue to see outside of his own experience and say maybe this was the wrong thing for my parents to do and therefore it's the wrong thing for me to do to my kid. >> i think the big hangup here is this phrase child abuse. and we all know that that child is normally, is very frequently, any way, associated with some
form of sexual conduct. and brent, that may be the problem here, is this semantics of this phrase, child abuse. and he says i'm not a child abuser. well, we're not so sure about that. it depends on how much of a pattern there is here. but for him to say i did not intend to cause the 4-year-old any injury, and we see the pictures of the injuries he actually caused and the broken skin, the open skin that he had to see while he was actually doing it. >> yeah. it's, the evidence is right there. and the texas prosecutor said on saturday that he exceeded the standards of the community when he caused these injuries to the child. and now we fine out today a texas tv station is reporting that there's another child that had injuries. so there's a pattern here,
apparently, and it goes back to his upbringing and how he was socialized growing up, and that's where a lot of these criminal problems in the nfl stem from is how these guys were socialized. >> and kavitha he's been leaning up to today, he doesn't think this is right anymore. but when we saw the texts over the weekend that he was sending to the mother of the child in this case who he beat, he was very proud of his disciplinary skills, specifically for using this switch, this little piece of a tree branch that he was whipping this boy with. >> absolutely. he basically said to the mother, he's going to have some marks, and i think i maybe went too far, but my boys are going to know what discipline is and what right and wrong is. and we can have a whole conversation about spanking and whether that's the proper way to discipline a child and the cultural and regional and perhaps racial differences that occur here, but the fact of the
matter is this was not a spanking. you cannot look at those photos and tell me that that was ordinary discipline. that was anything but a beating or a child abuse, frankly, and the important thing to note is those photos were taken five to seven days after the actual incident occurred. these are very serious injuries. these are very serious photos. and frankly, the vikings aren't taking this seriously anymore. we thought they were, but reinstating him today just shows where their priorities are. >> the vikings' official position on whipping your child to the point of bleeding is ah, it might be okay. we are not to judge that. it might be perfectly reasonable. >> the gm says he's done so much for the community and happens to be the best running back in the league and happens to drove a $70 billion fantasy football industry. and he's the face of our franchise, and we're getting a new stadium and all these reasons they can put out there.
and the reasons they are coming out with, is we know the man here, and he made a mistake. and i think we're now starting to realize that even one mistake is one too many, but it's a pattern with adrian peterson. >> is brent, we're just getting the news right now, breaking news about one sponsor. r r rad radisson hotels. we just got one from radisson hotels >> yeah. that's probably what it's going to take for the nfl to get more serious about this issue. it's going to have to affect the bottom line. previously it didn't. it was a normal part of the business to have a rash of arrests every now and then, and things would pop up. the average is about one a week. usually they am toount to a lit
line in the paper, and people move on. and depending on how good the player is, the league will maybe cut the player or not do anything at all. but it never got to the point that it started to affect the bottom line. so that's really going to be, you know, a very important factor in all of this. >> and kavitha, this whole it happened to me when i was a kid thing, a lot of us can tell that story. in my neighborhood growing up, every kid, every kid was getting smacked. not this way, not to the point where there were any marks, and it was happening to us in our schools. and the teachers were masters at inflicting corporal punishment on us. it was happening to every one of us. and yet, as parents, i don't know any kids that i grew up with who actually behaved this way now with their own children. >> well, it's definitely a choice. i think it's kind of a spurious argument to say this happened to
me as a kid, i think it's okay. this is built on this level. he says i wouldn't have this life if i wasn't brought up this way. charles barkley came out and said something similar, this is the way black people in the south discipline their children. cris carter said it best when he said, you know, his mother did the best that she could with him, raising seven children as a single mother, but now he's an adult, there are thousands of things she was wrong with. there are plenty of lessons you can learn from your parents and still acknowledge the mistakes they made and try not to pass them on to your own children. it doesn't seem adrian peterson has learned those lessons. >> you're very likely to learn bad ways of parenting from your parents and you're supposed to bring your critical facility to that and say i'm not going to do that. brent, as this, we have kind of a cluster right now of criminal
arrests, indictments now in the nfl. it's kind of hit a critical moments to bring much more attention to this than we ever would have seen. did you see this coming as you were tracking these events in a more spread out way over time, that at some point, some of them were going to cluster within the same week or two and it was really going to become visible in a way like never before? >> kind of. this happened before. there was a cluster in 2007 right when roger goodell took over. and he responded then sort of the way he is responding to it now. he's getting tougher. he's talking tough. he's instituted a tougher player conduct policy, and the arrests went down an a little bit from about 80 in that one bad year to about 60 in the next year. so it looked hilike he was sortf having some success with it. then there's a baseline of one a
week or 50 or 60 a year. these rashes come and go. what's changed here is the video and, i think social media, the echo chamber of social media kind of amplifies things. not to minimize these issues at all, but they've been going on so long and they happen very regularly this this population of young men between the ages of about 20 and 30. >> and how many nfl football players are there? >> about 2500. >> that's an awful lot. one arrest a week, 2500. think of a college of students getting one arrest a week. that is amazing. thank you both for joining me tonight. >> thank you. coming up, new details on exactly who gets the kind of deal that ray rice got from new jersey prosecutors. and later, i'm going to talk
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outside the lines found the pre-trial intervention program offered to ray rice in the assault case involving his wife was granted in less than 1% of all domestic violence assault cases that were resolved. a spokesperson for the office of atlantic county prosecutor james mcclain told espn mr. rice received the same treatment in the court system that any first-time offender in similar circumstances has received. joining me now is karen desoto, an attorney in new jersey. that's a standard statement that james mcclain's been giving from the start, that he got exactly what everybody else gets. now we find out 99% of them don't get that deal. >> right. and we talked about this last week, lawrence, that it's very
rare. one of the reasons why it's rare, pti is not available for violent crimes. and this is considered a violent crime. >> this is not a violent crime? there was a video of ray rice punching. >> when i was a prosecutor, we did not dismiss these cases. i would be very surprised if i was the attorney and applied for pti and got it. the videotape makes it very clear, which is something as a prosecutor you don't have. but i can tell you, as a directive, you don't dismiss them at all in domestic violence cases. you have a separate unit for that. they're taken very seriously. so this was a 1%, and this was a gift. >> some people tried to suggest that james mcclain might have some trouble prosecuting this case if ray rice's wife refused
to testify against him. >> yes. >> but you have an individual yes tape. >> you have a videotape. in new jersey you have to corroborate the tape. you have to put them on the stand. but i can say that i have put women on the stand who did lie. you have to do one or the other. you either have to dismiss the case or you have to go forward. and a lot of times the judge doesn't want to dismiss these cases because it's domestic violence, because there's a policy that you don't dismiss. these are serious charges, and you have to make a choice as a prosecutor to do it. i wouldn't have done it as a prosecutor. yeah, she might have made a terrible witness. and in cases you use police officers, other corroborating witnesses. and if she gets on the stand and lies, then she gets on the stand and lies. >> what do we know about the commit c political pressure that can come to the d.a. like this. these d.a.s, to my surprise, are
appointed by the governor of new jersey. >> correct. i think there's probably a lot more corruption in places where the district attorneys are elected as we have in florida. i think there's probably more corruption with elections and money as there is in appointments. but is there pressure directly? that depends on the case. if he's looking to do something political, one of the great things about new jersey is it appointed and you don't have to worry about elections and money. >> there's nothing that the voters can do about this guy except when they vote for governor and nobody's thinking about d.a.s when they're voting for governor. >> but the senator does get a say. there are phone calls, and there are senators who take it very seriously, the county prosecutor, and they do weigh in. >> and he could not be luckier that there's so much -- james mcclain, i want to keep saying his name -- could not be luckier that there is so much focus on
roger goodell and the nfl, because that's the heat shield taking the heat off him. >> listen, there are two different things. at the end of the day, they're probably going to point fingers at each other, meaning that the nfl's going to say the prosecutor had it. >> the prosecutor saw the video, saw nothing wrong with it, let ray rice go. >> he got pti. these are assets that they're trying to protect. it puts them in a very awkward position to have to protect the player but discipline them. that's not unusual. of course you're going to lay blame somewhere else. nobody's going to want to take the political heat and controversy that's come out of this case. coming up, what the polls say about americans' utter state of confusion about how to deal with the islamic state. get sict breathe through your nose... suddenly you're a mouth breather. a mouth breather! how do you sleep like that?
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iraq began last month. a recent nbc news poll shows america is confused and wrong about the situation in iraq, as usual. 62% now support the united states taking action against the islamic state, while 68% of americans say they don't think u.s. action will work. so tonight americans are officially the most gung ho war pes mi pessimists in the word. 90% of the americans believe the islamic state poses a threat to the united states, which happens to be identical to the 90% of wrong americans who said they believed that iraq posed an immediate or long-term threat to the united states in 2003. u.s. military conducted air strikes against isil and they
said oh, well, don't, don't leave stuff in the prompter like that. there's little junction notes in there. sorry about the notes to self that somebody left. >> it happens. >> but richard, you can't get a more confused citizenry than the united states when you put the word iraq in a poll. >> right. >> yeah. it's the definition of mixed emotion. and to be fair, policymakers are almost as confused about what to do, who their friends are. we're seeing in paris with nations gathering there. very confusing picture of who is actually supporting america. who will do it publicly, who will do it privately, even when you have a country like france organizing things and they're also paying ransoms to terrorists to fund them. we can't even agree on what to
call our archenemies there now. >> and david, this effort to get a coalition so, and it's so great because here you have all these commentators on american television who are gung ho to do this, saying we must get this coalition together so it doesn't appear that we are doing this. you know, and i'm going to, you know, pass this word secretly through television to the entire world, you know. it's never going to appear, no matter who we assemble here, that we aren't driving this whole thing. >> it's true, and dare i say it, maybe we aren't doing our jobs that well in terms of commentators and television to be honest. it is an incredibly complex situation. there is a threat, but it's not the sort of threat that some republicans have talked about that they're going to come kill us all immediately, but i don't know if we can ignore it. and we're still lost. we talked about this before. are we at war?
or is this some sort of limited counter terrorism operation? and it's easy to blame the president. he's trying to not use the word "war", because he's trying not to invoke that. it's very unpopular. but we as a society need to do a better job, i think, trying to understand what we're going to do and that this is war. >> and the president has been quoted in one briefing with some people saying he expects this to continue till the next treasuritreasury -- presidency and possibly the presidency after that. >> sure. and that would not be unusual in terms of the broader ideological movement. this is an ideological movement that pre-dates al qaeda that has changed and transformed over time and is more potent i think most people can agree now than al qaeda in the territory it's holding and the sophistication of its arms. it's somewhere between a
terrorist organization and a militia, a very large and successful militia. it's unlike what we've seen before. it's powers, a cult, and the identify lodgeology ideology. it's a terrorist movement meeting the cold war. it's not an expression of their desires as people or as muslims. >> let's take a look at josh ernest today in the white house. >> i can say definitively that the president has ruled out sending american boots on the ground to be engaged in a combat role in syria. the strategy that the president has put forward to deal with isil is different that the tranl put in place in advance of the last conflict in iraq. >> that's just become the chant. it's now the daily eye chanily .
it's a talking point every day. it seems to me that the white house is going to have to find ways to talk about this that is are so simplistic as that boots on the ground phrase. >> and basically what's happening here is an expansion of drones and strikes. and i don't think you're going to see much change here. no one's coming forward. turkey isn't really pressuring the islamic state. so essentially iraq and syria will look like yemen, pakistan, these places where we have carried out drone strikes. and drones don't solve these situations. they create a whack a mole, is wh what people call it. >> what's your sense of what the alliance here will look like if there is one, two weeks from now. >> it will be claiming huge support from saudi arabia, a country, by the way, that
beheads people, but we have unusual allies in this case, but they are nonetheless allies to a greater extent than we saw in the war against iraq, at least the last one. there will be support from european countries as well, but in terms of limited action, this isn't going to be the same kind of televised war. you're not going to see, you'll see the aftermath, what they call so horribly, the collateral damage, and it will be a long, low-grade war with regional support, but that's not where the war is going to be fought in terms of what we see in terms of the pictures. >> and david, what will saudi arabia be willing to do publicly? >> host this training of some moderate syrian opposition, and that seems to be, the administration claimed over the weekend that they were going to carry out air strikes. they haven't named them yet. which i think these countries are balking at bombing isis.
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the world is complicated enough. you don't want to have to explain to your kids that their heroes are not heroic but quite the opposite. >> in child rearing there are a lot of things you don't want to do but you have to do, like explaining to your children that some of their heroes are not all that heroic or not heroic as well. if your child loves music as pretty much every child does at some point. and if your child takes up the fwi tar as many children do and that child comes under the guitar spell of keith richards, it is your obligation as an apparent to make it very clear to your child that as one reviewer put it, quote, keith richards' genius is in his fingers, end quote. and that the rest of keith richards is an utter mess.
keith richards is not a role model for kids, and no one has ever prey tetended that he is. we're never surprised when musicians get in trouble and behave badly or when famous actors get in trouble and behave very, very badly. we long ago learned to admire their work and usually nothing else about them. from is it taking us so long or maybe it's just taking the media so long to recognize that professional athletes are not role models and have not been role models for many tedecades. the first big transgression by professional athletes were understandably taken as isolated cases, those transfwrigss including the chicago white sox throwing the world series in 1919 when the players decided the best way to bet on themselves was to bet on themselves, losing the world
series and then make sure they lost the world series. they were acquitted of criminal charges but it broke the hearts of american baseball fans and got eight of the white sox banned from the game for life. and when i was in high school, yankees pitcher jim boughton published his book as a journal called "ball four." and it changed my view of the athletes forever. his book firmly and finally exposed the new york yankees and professional baseball players and professional athletes, generally, as human beings. not a hero among them. not a real hero. heroes weren't playing baseball when jim boughton was playing baseball. heroes were ending seg fwra gags in those days. heroes were getting african-americans the right to vote back then. and after reading "ball four",
it was very clear to me that professional athletes should never be admired for anything other than their ability to throw and catch balls. or hit balls. or slap hockey pucks. or shoot baskets or block shots. occasionally, you will discover that some professional athletes like bill russell lent a hand to some of our heroes like martin luther king, junior, but bill russell himself would never tell you that he was heroic for doing that. this is one thing that charles barkley got right 20 years ago. >> i am not a role model. i'm not paid to be a role model. i'm paid to wreak havoc on the basketball court. parents should be role models. just because i dunk a basketball
doesn't mean i should raise your kids. >> got that, parents? parents should be role models. professional football players have never really been life role models, and they certainly aren't now. and yes, it is your job as a parent to guide your children away from the idolatry of pro football players. the only thing that they can learn from watching pro football players is how to play football better. but hopefully not quite well enough that they go on to actually, then, become pro football players themselves. because then, you're going to have to spend some serious time talking to your kid about that whole concussion thing thin pro football. denver international is one of the busiest airports in the country. we operate just like a city, and that takes a lot of energy. we use natural gas throughout the airport - for heating the entire terminal,
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operation. this is not somalia. this is not yemen. this is a turning point in the war on terror, our strategy will fail yet again. this president needs to rise to the occasion before we all get killed back here at home. >> before we all get killed. that was lindsey graham saying that 320 million americans are all going to get killed here at home, thanks to president obama. and we will be killed by the 20 or 30,000 or so warriors of the islamic state who at the moment, anyway, have their hands full, trying to kill people in iraq and syria. lindsey graham marks the height of american hysteria over the islamic state. today in paris, john kerry talked about the fear of americans and europeans joining the islamic state, saying, quote, drying up this pool of
jihadis who get seduced is far more important than the military component of fighting the islamic state. joining me now is shika dalmia. her article is called stop freaking out over the west's jihadi tourists. we're going to send that to lindsey graham. what, could you give us the statistical perspective or these foreign fighters who are joining the islamic state? >> sure, lawrence, you now they are really rather small. you mentioned that they were 20,000 to 30,000 isis fighters, out of which only 12,000 are pouren fighters, of which only 3,000 are western fighters. of which only 70 are american
fighters. so the numbers are really, really small. if you compare it to the number of americans who actually enlisted in the spanish civil war, the 70 pales in comparison. in the spanish civil war, at the height of the stalin regime, 1,000 americans defected to the soviet union, something we don't often talk about. so in terms of americans and westerners joining this fight, we really can't do much damage here. >> and you talk in your piece, which is great by the way. and we're going to have a link to it on our website about the vietnam era in which you remined me and many others it that there were thousands and thousands of members of organizations that began as protest organizations against the veet mom war whose
mission statement at the time included the overthrow of the unit government. >> weather underground, which was a notorious outlet that point. the black panthers. really, the overthrow of the u.s. government was an express part of their mission. the interesting thing about isis is that it really hasn't targeted the united states. it's not al qaeda whose express purpose was to target the united states. isis wants to set up its caliphate. they started being very ugly and dwrizly beheadings, had not shown any intention of tar getting the homeland. they were very much interested in spreading the islamic wars from a little part of territory
that they had grabbed in syria and iraq. >> as the bush administration showed in 2003, and as we're seeing again now, it seems that the way to get support behind american military action over hear is to say that there is a threat to the united states, a very direct threat. lindsey graham putting it in the most hyperhysterical terms that they're coming here to kill us all. >> that's exact -- this has been a pattern with the united states. we inflate the threat overseas and overreact to the threat and create the very conditions that we are trying to fight by increasing radicalization in that part of the world. if you want to think about it, we have had the war on terrorism going on since 2001, which has been of long er vintage than th vietnam wash. there has been a fair amount of muslim migration to the west.
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