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>> targeting evil. let's play "hardball." good evening. i'm chris matthews in washington. another beheading. this time a french citizen by an isis ally in algeria. the killers call it retribution for france joining the u.s. air strikes in iraq. this come as president obama calls on the world for action against isis demanding the country stop giving money and stop spewing the hate filled ideology that fuels the terrorist group. obama used all of his skills at the u.n. today. his goal was to recruit a global possie capable of degrading and eventually destroying isis. he made clear today he wants country to takes concrete steps and will be taeg keeping tabs on whether they may be delivered or not.
only the we look at why the congress, democrats and republicans are shirking a vote on the obama-led air strikes. our "hardball" roundtable will look at these questions and look at the way some on the right are using the isis threat to heat up the immigration fight. we begin only the with the breaking news in syria. the u.s. military and arab partners carried another round of air strikes against isis targets. jim miklaszewski joins us from the pentagon. what do we do today? who did we hit? >> the intent of today's target was to hit isis where it hurts. in the pocket book. tlrm 13 strikes with u.s. military and our arab allies gel 12 modular oil refineries. they are easily disassembled, put on skids and put somewhere else. they produce up to 500 barrels a day. just these 12 alone would have provided as much as $250,000 in income a day. it is believed that isis collects about $1 to $2 billion
a day in their black market soil sales. now, this was a much smaller strike than the first strike on monday which was about 20 targets. and aircraft and cruise missiles. so this was a more compact strike. but again, u.s. officials think this is going to be hitting isis where it works. the big concern is so far, we haven't seen any kind of reaction or retaliation from isis. either against our allies in the region or elsewhere. one of the creedos is the enemy always has a vote. so everybody sitting back and waiting for isis to respond. >> did we do all the bombing today or were we joined by real allies in the air? >> we were joined in the air by allies, both saudi arabia and united arab emirates. and on monday four out of five of our arab allies actually
dropped women's. qatar was the only one on the periphery. you know the problem with qatar. sometimes allegedly, even indirectly, sunni extremists in the region. but qatar in fact was participating. what is interesting about this, even if none of them dropped a single weapon, the fact that their flying is very significant. in past operations, those countries have not even expressed support for u.s. operations. so this was a huge step forward that was engineered. not only by president obama and john kerry. but the centcom commander down will in tampa. >> thanks for that great report. >> today an algerian terror group released video showing the beheading a french tourist in retaliation for his country's air strikes against isis in iraq. he call it a cowardly
assassination and said he wonderful give in to black male by these barbaric acts. the "washington post" columnist eugene robinson. ron, thank you for joining us. it seems to me we're up against guys they're willing to keep beheading. this will be what we'll watch. >> we're probably going to be with us for a lifetime. that's what the president was steeling the country for today. i was struck by one of his best features of his presidency. it wasn't poetic. it was practicing matic. wasn't soaring, it was searing. he put it in an historic context. to a commander in chief, from a hawk -- from a dove to practically a hawk and how we have to think differentbly the whole world. >> what do you make of the zombie like look. it reminds me of what a priest must put up with that people showing up.
>> what do you make of the faces? the vagueness of the faces. were they not allowed to express yes? >> these are professional diplomats. they're trained in this. and they're not giving reactions. support or opposition or whatever. what i found interesting, when president obama came into office, one of the things he wanted to do was to affect some sort of change in this conflictive relationship between islam and the west. and today, he sort of changed the conditions. he said we must do that. you guys have to help. and he points. >> he took a shot. he also took a shot at the fat cat who spew this. >> and supports the terrorist cede. >> there's the shot. the money they're giving to the terrorists. some of the leaders over there who spew this religious
extremism which undermines, it underwrites the arguments of the terrorists themselves. >> there should be no more tol ranls of so-called clerics who call on people to harm innocents because they're jewish or because they're christian or because they're muslim. it is time for a new compact among civilized peoples of this world to eradicate war at its most fundamental source. the corruption of young minds by violent ideology. that means cutting off the funding that fuels this hate. it is time to end the hypocrisy and then siphon funds to those who teach children to tear it down. the pro gand a turns students, young people full of potential into suicide bombers. we must offer an alternative
vision. >> prince bandar on years ago and i said the word we have, you will push your young people to blow up the world. tunneled deal you don't do it inside. he said that was bull. his term, not mine. this is what the countries do. the president did something remarkable that we rarely see. normally they're speaking, when the president come to the u.n. they're speaking to americans. the folks out there are just promises. he was speaking directly to the leaders. he was calling them out unlike any president since george bush. >> what is it, dollars and cents, the deal we cut. he says i'm going to be keeping tabs on you guys. i want concrete steps to sign this. >> and he didn't specify. it is a complicated relationship. obviously, now in term of the oil, we got a lot of oil and that's a card that previous
presidents haven't had to play and it is something they worry about. the world's depend yenlts on saudi oil is going to wayne and therefore, people will be less tolerant of that behavior. >> you can use that card against russia. >> here's two things that might be working. nobody wants to hear about the mideast peace process. couldn't it be something going on, the targets of these makers is ultimately to overthrow government of jordan, saudi arabia, not overthrow government in texas. i think they can spook us a little but that's not what they're going to get done in their life times. they get a shot at knocking off the governments. they're getting the message. this isn't about liking the united states. it is about the united states being the law magic here. we're willing to support because it is our neck. >> they are in the business of self-preservation. the reason the president has a chance to rewrite the rules for
the next century, they get the message. the president hasn't changed things. >> let's talk about europe and the french. the little skedaddle in australia the other day. that they tried to behead somebody down there. they'll try to get out their diaspora of beheadings. they could grab someone in oregon, not to mention that specifically. >> that could happen. one suspect that's the beheadings of americans, that we saw leading up to this. on the only lodgeeck was that they bring the united states in. figuring they would get bogged down. in the edge, they would -- >> and you know and i know. the crusaders were there for 128 years. they probably thought they won
100 of those years. >> but they didn't win. because they were waiting for them. >> and you see what happens. >> what could be different this time is participation of the arab states surrounding isil. >> that is different. he is right. the bombings won't work long term unless we get boots on the ground. they need them to be boots on the ground. >> he wornld today that the world must come together to confront isis. >> there can be no reasoning, no negotiates with this brand of evil. the only language understood by killers like this is the language of force. so the united states of america will work with a broad coalition to dismantle this network of death. today i ask the world to join in this effort. those who have joined isil should leave the battlefield while they can.
those who continue to fight for a hateful cause will find they are increasingly alone. for we will not succumb to threats and we will demonstrate that the future belongs to those who build. not those who destroy. >> so we'll kill. we'll kill as many arab who's have joined isis as we can. we've warned them. get out. >> that's how far -- >> yeah. >> how many countries have we bombed that are arab and muslim since the beginning of the century? we just keep bombing them. >> what is our alternative? >> i know. it is our problem. >> the question is whether this president can hold the country together. build a coalition, hold that coalition together and we can roll these folks back. we'll watch beheadings. >> and the other thing, we don't know. are we going to watch? are we going to see boots on the
ground that are not american? they come from elsewhere. programs the arab countries in the coalition. >> you think that's an alternative to waiting for this one-year training program which will ideally produce 8,000 free syrian army recruits that will then turn their attention to isis, not assad. >> i think the president was right when emthat's a fantasy. >> thank you. >> if there's one thing congress wants to agree on, they do not want to take a war vote. they are all too happy to skip town. it can jeopardize their re-election. then around tampa, digs into the politics of war. the republican candidates wasted no time creating anti-terrorism ads that slammed both the president. >> you see with it scott brown. >> take a look. >> anyone who turns on the tv
these days knows we face challenges to our way of life. radical terrorists are threatening to cause the collapse of our country. president obama and senator seem confused about the night of the threat. >> i want to secure the border. keep out the people who do us harm and restore america's leadership in the world. >> that was a cheem scare tactic. trying to convince people isis will take over the united states. and bill clinton seemed relieved yesterday to avoid the question about whether the united states should be arming those syrian rebels. >> that's now above my pay grade. the more i tell you the more likely i am to cause trouble for the decision. can't be true. he is more now than he was as president. certainly not above his pay grade. hillary clinton said she supports the president. and let me finish with this failure of politicians to simply vote on war or peace.
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them to the gates of hell. this is war time rhetoric from the white house because it is a war. we've sent soldiers into combat zones to help arm and train syrian fighters, american fighter jets are leading a massive air campaign as we speak along with five other arab nations. we're dropping bombs on the enemy in two countries. iraq and in syria. so where's the u.s. congress? did they vote to approve the use of military force? after signing off on a measure to train, congress left town until after the november election. harry reid and mitch mcconnell are rarely on the same page but they don't show any inkling to could that back and vote and the white house seem happy to have them gone. isn't this why we have a congress? to take hard votes on whether or not to authorize a war? the british parliament is set to be recalled to vote. president obama led the security council. will president obama call congress back?
this is also rhetoric on my part because obviously they're not coming back paul, since you're new here, let's talk it over. harry reid has gotten in trouble for fighting. nobody really likes him much. i discovered there's something worse than not getting along with each other. it is getting along. when they said let's protect all the incumbent in the interest of incumbents. >> they don't want to come back and call people back. they don't really have a whole lot to say. >> i would call it constitutional. >> they don't have a lot to say. all they would be doing is the bombing that's already taking place. >> that's consistent with the war powers act to get in there a little late. spell for the left. minority from a big city.
a liberal from the bay area in new york or chicago. why would a person in a deep blue congressional district or state give a dam about voting for this. they won't get defeated in the general. >> it is progressives. they probably want the vote the most. they do believe in the war powers act and bringing that. >> i think a lot of them would vote against it. >> the one reason you don't want this on either side. harry reid, they all want it is because it divides democrats and democrats and republicans and republicans. >> where would rand paul -- >> he would vote against it. >> marco rubio would vote in favor of it and ted cruz would be against it. >> and john mccain. and it would be loot of posturing on the republican side on the 2016 side. on the democratic side, nancy pelosi will support barack
obama. >> because? >> she supports the president. these are hard calls. there will be progressives who have. said they don't like this call. there are some conservatives. >> isn't that why we have a congress? >> the problem is, there is no -- you don't pay for not voting against this.3@/q if you don't have a vote. >> you don't usually do that. you're not morally justifying it. >> i'm explaining it. it is wrong. i think there should be debate. there should be a vote. there's no way. >> what i know, the interesting thing. when we voted, the congress voted on whether to arm this free syrian army. the northeast liberals, people like gillibrand, elizabeth warren. bernie sanders. that segment of the neat which i like generally. they all said they didn't want to vote for that. which tells you which way they would vote.
this seems like a contradiction. they'll have to have that vote again. >> here they are. >> the vote armed and trained the syrians is something they will have to come back and vote on again. they'll have to vote to fund this war. sooner or later -- >> okay. three months from now, they have to start writing the checks. not their checks, our checks. they start running up the debt. how will he get, deal with that? >> he will get a majority of republicans and probably a significant portion of democrats to agree to continue to pursue this war because isis will keep beheading people. >> so he won't dance with the ones that brung him. it will be a war fought. already out there today you have the conservative thought leaders. i hate to call them that. rush limbaugh and others who are
coming one conspiracy theories that obama didn't do anything by hitting cover sanl. this is all about mid-term politics. >> how's does rush limbaugh figure this out? >> it is bad and it has to be some hidden motive here. so the tea party republicans in the house, rand paul republicans in the senate and the house who will vote against any of this. it will be a very messy debate. and it will cause problems for the 2016 presidential race on the republican side. maybe even on the democratic side. >> the constitution grants the president the authority to call congress back into session. and he says he may under extraordinary circumstances convene both houses. this is a great moment. harry truman failsly return to washington during his speech when he gave it at 2:00 in the morning with no air conditioning 2. a moment which won him an election.
>> my duty as president requires that i use every means within my power to get the laws the people need on matters of such importance and urgency. i am therefore calling this congress back into session on the 26th of july. >> now that's -- >> the reason why every republican's favorite democrat is truman. i'm going on lose this election? no. i'm going to win this election. >> a political convention he made a foreign policy. >> do you know what he said? i invite them back to washington. i demand they come back to
washington and pass their platform which they didn't do and they lost. >> america wouldn't want to see this congress come back to do anything. >> why are you saying that? >> suppose they did that. >> obama doesn't want a dysfunctional congress looking over his shoulder. he is exploiting the fact that they can't get their act together. that they are abandoning their constitutional prerogatives so he can do this war without having to bother with the obstructionism. >> so this purpose here. >> that was never an american passion. once these beheadings occurred. he could have called and the next day he passed. he could have done it right then. >> i don't think he could have gotten them. >> there was a lot of heat. >> call the vote. call the vote. >> i do think he should have them in every day.
>> when it cools off like the nfl. let's have a commission. then we'll talk about it. they have a lot in common. >> they do. like their jobs. thank you. >> up next, the brad pitt of the republican party. his hair style, wealth, custom made for a devastating attack ad. this ain't serious but it is ludicrous. (male announcer) it's happening.
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all we need to do, all we need to do is bomb oman and i get a free falafel. >> the democratic congressional campaigning committee is running attack ads against candidate stewart mills. this spring the 42-year-old candidate was touted as the new face of the gom. he was called, as you can see, the brad pitt of the republican party because of his hair style. and they pointed out his part doesn't reject the compare sonl. then came this. >> it costs a lot to get this look. lucky for stewart mills iii, he inherited millions and a job with a six figure salary. but that's not enough for mills. so he is running for congress. >> now they're going after his wealth directly in what resembles life styles of the rich and famous. >> stewart mills iii got a big
inheritance and a job at the family business that pays half a million a year. but in congress, mills will leave you on the hook for higher taxes because mills opposed tax cuts for the middle class. even as he wants to give another huge tax break to millionaires like himself. there's always a catch.?wx >> finally the secret service announced they are unlocking the door to the white house. >> it is not bad enough when you're president but now there's guys hopping the fence duffle hear about this? the guy, and he this beefed up security at the white house. >> thank god security is in place of joe biden's residence and there has been no security breaches. here is his place. >> that's joe right there. everything is fine.
>> up next, i guess he likes to meet people. up next the "hardball" roundtable and the politics of war. you won't believe it or maybe you will. how some republicans are stoking fear of isis to win votes. we have another race to watch. governor tom corbett is fighting for his job. they faced off this week in a televised debate. let's look. >> everybody makes mistakes. okay? have i communicated the best? probably not. we're in a much better position than when i took office. >> one thing to talk about specific things you're proud of. but overall, how are thing working out for us? what we're doing isn't working. i am an unconventional candidate. i don't look like candidates you've probably seen before but i think these are unconventional time for a commonwealth.
up to the challenge of identified isis. the latest ad gene shaheen. >> anyone who turns on the tv knows we face challenges to our way of life. radical islamist terrorists are threatening our country. president obama and the senator seem confused about the nature of the threat. not me. i want to secure the border, deem out the people who would do us harm and restore america's leadership in the world. i'm scott brown and i approved this message because protecting the home lanl is the first step to america safe again. >> in georgia, david purdue says his democratic opponent favors amnesty and warns that isis could across the border from mexico. >> she's from amnesty while terrorism experts say our border breakdown could provide an entry for groups like isis.
>> if a country can't protect its borders, what can it protect? secure or borders. enforce our existing laws. and wugs and for all forget amnesty. >> joining me, the contributing editor of u.s. news and world report. the senior political reporter with nbc news. it seems to me the republicans are turning this into an ethnic thing. here's our way of bashing hispanics. >> well, yes. they can't really go after the president very much on bombing syria because they don't disagree. they're trying to take this issue and finesse it into an immigration issue. they whoever they are is somehow going to come over the border. i think what he has to worry about, particularly that scott brown is that he is trying to use fear to get votes. what he doesn't understand is that people don't just fear isis. they fear getting involved in another long protracted costly
war. >> he is trying to lump hispanics and isis together which is reprehensible. >> the idea of hoards too. new hampshire, a little state with white people, being overrun with guys with guns and knives and bombs. and basically ending its existence. >> also taking it from immigration. republicans were very excited about it. >> as much as possible, they're excited. >> you want to talk about isis. we know people are gerd. that we have this issue that we've been polling. let's jam it in. >> the biggest magnet for people coming here is not welfare. it is to get a job.
the minute they stop the illegal hiring, which he this never mention, ever, it would stop the mass of immigration. let's look at the ad. this is the old thing they did. here's the kind of ad they ran in 2002. this is further back. this is when sacksby chambliss, while don't despite, but i do despise this ad. let's take a look. >> as america faces terrorists and extremist dictators, max cleland runs television ads claiming he has the courage to leefl he says he supports president bush at every opportunity. since july max kleeland has voted against the president's vital security efforts 11 times. he says he has the courage to lead but the record proves he is just misleading.:> he lost three limbs in vietnam and they're attacking
him for being not a patriot. >> that ad is infamous for this reason. somebody in a wheelchair serving his country every single day as a senator. >> and that is a veterans guy. >> it was outrageous. it is being played to this day as an example of bad advertising. >> exempt it worked. >> the fact that it is a red state had more to do with it. that add probably contributed. >> these are dangerous in part. isis is not in mexico. they're not going to cross the border. so they're very misleading. in sense. we don't want to scare americans if isis is coming over. our intelligence does not suggest that they are going to attack on the u.s. soil. it is a fear amongering and unhelpful to people. >> i never liked it.b9 we call at this time united states. they're coming to america.
they're coming here. civil defense. you don't need a new word. the word homeland is essentially ominous. they're going to hit the homeland. >> for scott brown to talk about, people are coming in and they're going to take your jobs. they're going to cause the collapse of the united states. that's the most apocalyptic language i've heard. >> is he desperate? >> yeah. that's a tough race for him all the way around. to come in as an outsider. >> where does he go next? if he loses in massachusetts to elizabeth warren. then he goes out and loses. >> too liberal. i think maine. he has to -- he won't go over in maine. >> it is really cold there too. >> we were talking about it before. why don't they want to vote on it? if i were a member of congress,a i would say the reason i want to
be a congressman or a senator. the big stuff. the stuff in the books, the movies. 55 and consent. i think that's why you see, it is not just one part. hillary clinton voted wrong. not because she voted. >> they're worried about voting wrong. that's the thing. >> the democratic party. the howard dean effect. in 2003 howard dean opposed the war when everybody else supported it. and he was right. and he ran against every democratic candidate in the primary field against the war and it worked for him and then for obamacare.wi >> the republicans don't want to vote on it. a lot of them don't because they don't want to align themselves with the president of the united states. they want to attack the way scott brown is. and there are some people who i think are general wently concerned about the vote in the sense, they don't know whether
they're looking at iraq 2.0 or al qaeda 2.0. i've been listening to these guys saying, he is cutting us out of the process. he is not asking for our input and then they won't vote. >> i get the feeling we're getting attacked by ail yengs from another planet. they would say, i'm not sure where he was born. we'll be right back. up next, as hillary clinton readies for a presidential run, she make her first public comments supporting the syrian air strikes. the latest quinnipiac polling has teri branstad leading hatch. >> iowa thanes need to listen. it is the most scandal ridden administration in the history of the skate. >> iowans know me.
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attention to. whatever the debates might have been before, this is a threat to the region and beyond. i can't sit here and tell you that if we had done what i had recommended we would be a very different position today. i just can't. you can't go and prove a negative. i think you can argue back and forth what i was in the administration. we had some very good discussions debates on what to do and how to do it starting in syria. i was on one side of the debate. the roundtable is back. he was waiting for hillary clinton to make a statement so he'd be in sync with her. >> i think she was -- look, she was burned by this issue once before. she voted one way, obama who didn't have to make a vote said he was opposed to the war. >> on iraq.
>> on iraq, so she doesn't want to make that mistake again. now she's in the position of not having to actually make a decision but to support or not support it. bringing it up, if we had done what i suggested who knows if it would be different. it looks presidential and gracious. >> who brought it up that they disagreed before? the questioner? >> i think so. i think so. >> it was, that's all right. >> the thing is it's a very legitimate concerns about arming people we don't really know who's on what side. >> we still don't know if we have somebody to arm. >> go for it. >> she's damned if she does and if she doesn't in the fact that we're all obsessed does she des like obama, does she approve, does she not. >> did somebody say something negative about hillary clinton that you had to defend? >> not at all. we're parsing everything she says. >> well, we will. >> that's what they get. >> that's probably good. >> who parses? >> i parse.
that's my job. >> let's get back to what you said in the last segment. hillary clinton back when they voted on the war in iraq decided that the cautious probably smart vote was to vote to authorize. now she can say i authorize not for the war but to let the war go. but now what's the smart move? what's the smart vote, for or against the president? >> i think probably the smart vote is for right now especially with this other terrorist group cropping up. people are worried this the another al qaeda. but in terms of we should have armed them a year ago when he don't know who they are. if they use weapons we gave them against us -- >> what's the smart vote. >> if you're running for president, the smart thing to do is oppose it. because you'll be running in a very liberal democratic primary, it's generally an anti-war primary. you have martin o'malley sitting out there who hasn't said anything. this is how howard dean went, he let everybody take the vote and.
>> if himry doesn't run, gillibrand and warren will run and they voted against it. that tells you they thought about this. >> why is the smart vote politically back in the iraq war to vote for the war and smart now to vote against it. >> democrats were seen as being too weak and against defense. now the policy is much different. >> but they're beheading our people every couple weeks over there.p@p" how does that work? >> in a state like arkansas or a purple state, the smart vote is to be tough on anything. in a democratic presidential primary, the smart vote is to be a pacifist against the war. >> even with the beheadings? doesn't that change the gut reaction? >> i think it depends how this goes. again, is this iraq or al qaeda? >> we don't know. >> that's the problem. >> by the way, i, you know, i think that you can make the case that she did what she had to
do -- >> secretary clinton. >> yeah, but that doesn't mean she didn't create an opportunity for somebody on the left. the person on the left may not be successful but there's an opportunity on the left -- >> do you think somebody could actually beat her on the left? >> somebody did before. >> she's a better candidate now. >> she is, but by the way, i don't think anyone will beat her. could somebody beat her? absolutely. >> bernie sanders somebody she could knock off. >> nobody running right now. >> if she can knock them off, shows positioned herself in the general, could be a weird general if rand paul is running to her left on policy. really weird. susan milligan, my buddy forever. and all my friends. while every business is unique,
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presidents these days? can they get up one morning and go to war or get up the other day and decide not to? doesn't this strike you as strange, as undemocratic, as more befitting an ancient monarchy where one king goes to war with another and the people honor their wishes. what purpose does it serve that the congress abdicates its congressional power to represent the people in matters of war? i'll give you a motive. it makes it easier for them to get re-elected. i've heard it said that harry reid and mitch mcconnell don't get along. what's worse, they don't get along or they're in a quiet mutual agreement not to utter those two words "let's vote" that would make this government seem more like the constitutional republic it was designed to be? that's "hardball" for now. thanks for be with us. for those honoring rosh
>> tonight, will the president's plan work? and at the british parliament is called back to vote on war. what about our congress? then no indictment for the police who shot and killed a young black man in a walmart. the state has released the surveillance video. we'll get the latest from ohio. plus big news on the star-studded concert to end extreme poverty and the protester polar bear arrested on monday joins me live tonight. "all in" starts right now. good evening from new york. i'm chris hayes. president obama laid out his case for military action to world leaders gathered at the u.n. general assembly today. for the third day in a row the u.s. and its partners carried out air strikes inside syria, this time targeting modular oil refineries that bring in a large share ofs'